How are we to reckon ourselves as being dead to sin?

[Johann]

Unbelievable. This kind of low-blow nastiness and insult is pure flesh...it is not of God. And you call yourself a Christian.....and holy at that. Your other accusation against this brother is also not of God, it's just obvious lashing out, out of vitriol.....it isn't even how the Lord would lead someone to deal with a problem like that in a brother, accusing them in public like that.

What we have here is a prophet, seeking members for his own cult-no need for a necessity to be born again--a person who have direct access to the throne-no need for scriptures.
Shalom
J.

 

[Johann]

Mark 4:17 KJV
[17] And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word's sake, immediately they are offended.

Explain this-

 

[Johann]

You memorized that verse wrong. It's "Christ in you, the hope of glory"

--and you exclude yourself?
Or is it because the preposition "eis" is not here?

Col 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

(Christos en humin hē elpis tēs doxēs). He is addressing Gentiles, but the idea of en here is in, not among. It is the personal experience and presence of Christ in the individual life of all believers that Paul has in mind, the indwelling Christ in the heart as in Eph_3:17. He constitutes also the hope of glory for he is the Shekinah of God. Christ is our hope now (1Ti_1:1) and the consummation will come (Rom_8:18).

Which is Christ in you; which is Christ, amongst, for, or in them, i.e. who not only was preached amongst them, but whom they possessed, and who dwelt in them by faith, Eph_3:17; the revelation being accompanied with the power of the Spirit in the translating them by his glorious power from the kingdom of darkness into his kingdom, Col_1:13 Luk_17:21 Gal_2:20 4:19 Eph_3:5,7.

Not only among you, but in you. See on 2Co_13:5; living in you, Gal_2:20; dwelling and reigning in your hearts by faith, Eph_3:17; through the influence of his Spirit, Rom_8:9-10; Joh_14:20 : the hope of glory — The ground and source of that hope.

For Christ in us as our wisdom, enlightens our minds in the knowledge of that glory; as our righteousness, he entitles us to it; as our sanctification, he makes us meet for it; and as our redemption, brings us to the enjoyment of it. Whom we preach — Who, in believers, as their hope of glory, is the subject of our preaching.

The apostle mentions next the manner of their preaching: warning every man — Namely, of the necessity, excellence, and attainableness of this blessing; and teaching, or instructing, every man — Respecting the way of attaining it; or warning every man of his duty, and teaching him how to fulfil it; and of his danger, and teaching him how to avoid it; in all wisdom — In a rational, Scriptural, and consistent manner; using solid and convincing arguments, and placing them in a clear and lucid order, and adapting the matter, manner, language, and time of our preaching, reproof, or exhortation, to the state, character, and circumstances of our hearers.

That we may present, &c. — This was the end of their preaching; what they had in view in the exercise of their ministry; namely, that at the bar of God, in the day of final accounts, they might present every man perfect — Namely, having been made so while on earth; 1st, In an acquaintance with Christian doctrines, 1Co_2:6; Heb_5:12-14; Heb_6:1; Heb_2:2 d, In the possession of Christian graces, faith, hope, love to God and man, humility, resignation, patience, meekness, gentleness, long-suffering, &c., Heb_6:11; Heb_10:22; 1Jn_4:17; Col_3:12-14.

Now @Kermos would say-there is no one good, no, not even one-and that Adam was "evil" prior to eating from the tree, and you mention the "inner man"--so why can this , what stands written, not be a reality in the believers life?

Eph_3:16 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;

Rom_7:22 for I delight in the law of God according to the inward man,

This not a reality for the born again ones?

What do you make of the Second Person, Plural [+YOU?]

So @Christophany is correct.
J.

 

[Episkopos]

OK, now I see the picture--you are firmly entrenched in Epi's non-sensical rubbish-not using scriptures and in denial of the necessity of the new birth-what are you doing-scouting?

This is simply what honesty looks like compared to your religious posturing. You guys are a cult...a weird self-righteous cult. You appeal to the flesh in each other. Birds of a feather...

All I can say is shoo... Look for carrion elsewhere.

 

[Episkopos]

--direct access to the throne-no need for rebirth, and the Scriptures-the beginning of a cult.

You speak without kindness and without truth of any kind. Is that edifying for you? For your carnal delusions?

You twist my words to fit your own warped mind...because you need to destroy truth. You need to mock...because your spirit loves the lie. You lie because they slip easily off your tongue.

 

[Episkopos]

You don't have to speak in her behalf--you are in a class of your own--looks like you want to indoctrinate the damsels and woo them over to your cult?

@marks is still very polite with you, your thread should have been closed a long time ago--and as he rightly said-a tree is known by it's fruit-yours is putrid-with no need to be born from above-and living in your "experiences" foreign to Scriptures which you are not using.

I encourage her and would protect her against your vicious fangs that the enemy uses to tear at all that is pure and faithful.

 

[Episkopos]

This not a reality for the born again ones?


J.

Why so much interest in those who have been born again? What have you found in your research?

I have found that many have been induced to believe they are something they are not. A tree is known of ts fruit.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

What does you accusing a brother falsely have to do with my outer man? There is nothing faux about how your comments and accusations are affecting me. The only thing that is faux is you trying to re-characterize these deplorable and false things you have said as a joke.

Thats the way he is. He is offended and angered that his gospel is apposed by so many, so he, like so many others like him, come out swinging. Then when people call him out for his “Tude” He says it was just a joke..

They can‘t own up to their sins. Because they do not think they are sinning.. Now if we did the same thing to them, we would be called blasphemers and all kinds of names.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

That's how self-righteousness works...

You should know. By experience

 

[Eternally Grateful]

They have too stay walled in within the confines of their dead faith other wise they’ll lose their place they’ve worked so hard to secure.

Look at ego le crispy, he stands at the foot of the hill saying look guys. It’s Jesus hanging on a tree, but don’t go beyond where I am.

Stand here with me and point!

I remember very clearly how it was being white walled in too specific indoctrinations and so do you. These guys are only white walls. Until they separate themselves as did the first century Christian’s they’ll only be able to regurgitate what men have told them they can legally speak!

Dead faith?

You need to look inside my friend.. We do not preach dead faith but a living faith which changes everyone. Not the faith Epi teaches were under his own admission. Most people do not change.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

From where I am sitting. It wasn’t the nicest thing in the world to mock as digging to deep and ending up on the other side of the world. But you thought that was funny. So you do have a sense of humor.

I don’t get it though. You can say something that I guess you think needs to be heard, and laugh to lighten the mood. But your also the decider of when something is holy and when it is not.

Dear one,

I have now given you two different passages and broke them down, and you have not responded. Or tried to show how I was in error.
is there a reason? Other than I just do not know what I am talking about?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I encourage her and would protect her against your vicious fangs that the enemy uses to tear at all that is pure and faithful.

Your not protecting her!

She needs protection from your powerless lifeless gospel.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Why so much interest in those who have been born again? What have you found in your research?

I have found that many have been induced to believe they are something they are not. A tree is known of ts fruit.

One thing is for sure

Your born again

or your still dead in your sin.

sadly, You preach one does not have to be born again from the wage of sin..

so Your teaching that people can remain dead.. and still find Christ..

 

[Michiah-Imla]

 

[Episkopos]

One thing is for sure

Your born again

or your still dead in your sin.

sadly, You preach one does not have to be born again from the wage of sin..

so Your teaching that people can remain dead.. and still find Christ..

You are a liar and delusional. Why not quote me rather than spew your usual nonsense?
Why are you so afraid of truth, O eternally hateful?

 

[Episkopos]

It's far from the first time he has accused people falsely......no discernment, and he must be listening to lying spirits. AKA false prophet.

You use a double standard...accusing with snake-like venom and then taking offense in return. You pretend to be interested in spiritual things and then slander with the vigour of a bear.

You are two-faced and unstable. A hypocrite such as you is beyond help. I'm done with you. Your glory is in your shame. Enjoy your false religiosity while you can.

 

[Episkopos]

What a place to discuss eternally important things. The modern gospel has attracted every kind of creeping thing.

Very disappointing.

 

[ChristisGod]

This is simply what honesty looks like compared to your religious posturing. You guys are a cult...a weird self-righteous cult. You appeal to the flesh in each other. Birds of a feather...

All I can say is shoo... Look for carrion elsewhere.

projecting again

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You are a liar and delusional. Why not quote me rather than spew your usual nonsense?
Why are you so afraid of truth, O eternally hateful?

Quote you? So you can slander others and lie about them without quoting them. But we can’t do the same to you?

How puffed up are you that you can‘t do what you demand others do?


If the gospel does not take away the penalty of sin. Your still under the wage of sin, which is death..

Here it is in your own words.

The gospel doesn't take away the penalty for sins...it takes away the sin of the world. It takes away the POWER of sin through grace...which gives us the power over sin...to walk as Jesus walked

 

[Eternally Grateful]

What a place to discuss eternally important things. The modern gospel has attracted every kind of creeping thing.

Very disappointing.

Well when you deny eternally important things, by believing in an age old gospel of works. Which has been around since cain killed abel.. Then you shouldd suffer as they suffer until you repent.