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  1. PinSeeker

    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    LOL! 24k (Biblical) truth, Rebuilder. :) Yes, we are deemed worthy ~ declared righteous by God ~ because of Christ's worthiness and righteousness, which is imputed to us (credited to us, like Abraham) upon our salvation, which is, of course, of the LORD. This is His justification. And like...
  2. PinSeeker

    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    Well, the bottom line is that you didn't "MOCK Lord Jesus Christ by teaching AGAINST what Jesus Himself said in His Olivet discourse." That's just a ridiculous assertion. You may have been mistaken concerning what Jesus said ~ and I'm not here making any comment about whether you were or were...
  3. PinSeeker

    Be Warned: Revelation 20 Is Not... A Current Reality

    No, but you think I am; I understand that. I didn't say He was, Davy. You're taking me out of my own context, apparently. His direct implication there in Matthew 12 is that Satan has been bound, as evidenced by the fact that He was casting out demons, which, the Pharisees acknowledged. Here...
  4. PinSeeker

    Be Warned: Revelation 20 Is Not... A Current Reality

    Right? Right??? :) Well, not future, no. :) But it's about the strong man's (Satan's) binding ~ which is during the God's millennium in the context of John's vision in Revelation 20 ~ and Christ's ability to rob his house, to "plunder his goods," as it were. Jesus tells the Pharisees...
  5. PinSeeker

    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    LOL!!! Oh, wait... "do your job, and quit trying to play commander..." Is that a... a command??? LOL! :) Good Lord.... :) Bless your heart, as they say... :) Grace and peace to you, Davy.
  6. PinSeeker

    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    You have every right to think what you want to think. :) Well, we kind of have to take other folks' word regarding 200 year old history. It was what it was, and is what it is. No... :) I mean, I hear what some of them say, but, you know, if they don't actually believe the Word of God, then...
  7. PinSeeker

    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    I agree. :) It's interesting that you use the word 'dream' here... Agree with this, too... :) Yes, I know your thoughts on the matter. Well, we (although I'm not too sure who all here would be included in this "we") don't accept the concept of a "pre trib rapture"... ...because it's...
  8. PinSeeker

    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    Thank you for that, David. Not that I really deserve any credit, but what you say here is a breath of fresh air for me... compared to a lot of other things on this board. Yeah, a breath of fresh air. Thanks, my friend. Well, during the millennium, yes. Being a little picky here, but...
  9. PinSeeker

    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    But a very real thing. :) "Spiritual" somehow seems to mean something not really happening to many, unfortunately, and/or that the physical is the only thing that's real. I don't think you're one of those who think that, but yeah. Grace and peace to you, Marty.
  10. PinSeeker

    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    LOL! For the ones there (with Jesus in a disembodied state), what Paul describes in Ephesians 2:4-6 already happened for (was already applied to) them at some point during their lives here on earth. They, having been dead in their sin, were born again of the Spirit and raised in Christ also...
  11. PinSeeker

    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    Yes, let's talk about that last clause, "...to stand before the Son of Man." :) In short, everyone ~ everyone ~ will be before Christ when He returns and takes His seat of judgment at the end of this age... after the close of this age. Again, "an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs...
  12. PinSeeker

    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    Ah, the King James. It's not "bad," or "wrong," of course, but the antiquated language makes it a little harder for our modern ears to understand in places. If you would, consider the ESV or the NASB, which translate this verse respectively as follows: "But stay awake at all times, praying...
  13. PinSeeker

    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    When Paul says, in 1 Thessalonians 4:15, "...we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep," he is speaking to a specific concern among the Thessalonian believers, which is either that they thought a.) that the dead would rise only...
  14. PinSeeker

    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    Yes, as expected. :) That's the Greek work translated into the English as "caught up," as I'm sure you are aware. So that's in there, for sure, but if we look at that passage as a whole (specifically verses 14 through 17), we read the following (emphasis mine): "through Jesus, God will bring...
  15. PinSeeker

    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    LOL!!! Sorry... Uh, The Light. TL. The Light. That's you, man. :) Okay, well, with what you say here, I would agree... in a way... :) Except for the "rapture" part... Do you know where the idea of a "rapture" stems from in Scripture? By that I mean there is one specific word ~ used by...
  16. PinSeeker

    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    Disagree. I say that will come at the end of the age. For now, there is grace. Particular grace, in the case of those who have been born again of the Spirit, but there is such a thing as common grace, in the sense that for now, God gives grace to all. So grace abides for all... for now. I...
  17. PinSeeker

    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    Hmmm, interesting. So what's your definition of this "rapture," TL? Does it have something to do with a removal? And how ever you would answer that, who or what is "raptured?" Grace and peace to you.
  18. PinSeeker

    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    Fair enough. Don't completely disagree... :) And you've mocked TheLight. I don't mean to single you out or somehow say you're worse than others, Davy, but, okay, so anyway, who stops first? Is it up to others to stop, and then you would follow suit? :) Jesus never said "Blessed are the...
  19. PinSeeker

    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    I think there's plenty of "mouthing" going on from many posters here, including... Well, I would just beseech us all to stop it. :) I would stress to all here something that I would hope we would all be aware of, that one of the things Satan loves is seeing Christians turn on each other. Stop...
  20. PinSeeker

    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    I at least somewhat agree with what Light is saying; here's what I would offer as a help toward "getting" John's Revelation: The principal theme of Revelation is that God rules history and he will bring it to its consummation in Christ. The most important event toward which history moves is...