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  1. Hobie

    The history of how Sunday worship came about.

    Please, enlighten us if you have it 'right'.
  2. Hobie

    The history of how Sunday worship came about.

    History is "garbage"? Reminds me of the old saying...“Those Who Do Not Learn History Are Doomed To Repeat It....”
  3. Hobie

    The history of how Sunday worship came about.

    Here is more from A.T. Jones, Great Empires of Prophecy.. 'The word apostasy means to fall away, or to depart from the truth of God. This is only to fall away from the power of God and thus to leave the church powerless. To be powerless means to be without any ability to accomplish anything at...
  4. Hobie

    The history of how Sunday worship came about.

    Very true, but look to see what 'law' was used to force 'Sunday worship' from the masses, and the origin. So the Emperor was coerced to pass the Sunday law.. “On the venerable day of the sun, let the magistrates and people living in towns, rest, and let all work-shops be closed. Nevertheless, in...
  5. Hobie

    Jesus is Jehovah the YHWH of the Old Testament

    This is core Christian belief, so not sure what you hold to that rejects this, sorry if I confused you pointing it out. https://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-Word-God.html 'The answer to this question is found by first understanding the reason why John wrote his gospel. We find his purpose clearly...
  6. Hobie

    Jesus is Jehovah the YHWH of the Old Testament

    Lets read the whole context then as it shows Whom it was from verse 1, and we can see it is Jesus... John 1 1 In the beginning was the Word [Jesus], and the Word [Jesus] was with God, and the Word [Jesus] was God. 2 The same [Jesus] was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him...
  7. Hobie

    God shall add unto him the plagues

    The judgement of the saints is done first and probation closes, then the wicked. 1 Peter 4:17 17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? At the lake of fire is where...
  8. Hobie

    The history of how Sunday worship came about.

    If you look through what they documented in the many parts of history you start to see clear evidence of what they did to bring in Sunday to gain pagan converts... The church at Rome used the Sunday festival and the change of the Passover to 'Easter' to have the pagan masses join the church...
  9. Hobie

    The history of how Sunday worship came about.

    Now in addition to bringing what the masses had celebrated as a pagan festival day the "dies solis", many of the old Roman gods from pagan times where brought into the church. Here are a few of the pagan gods and how they were renamed to let their worship continue: Demeter is a goddess of many...
  10. Hobie

    The history of how Sunday worship came about.

    ....Acts 20:7, "On the first day of the week, when we met to break bread, Paul was holding a discussion with them; since he intended to leave the next day, he continued speaking until midnight."Since the meeting was held at night on the first day of the week, it may have been Saturday night...
  11. Hobie

    The history of how Sunday worship came about.

    Now some try to claim it was changed in the Bible or by the disciples or their actions or the resurrection, but Sunday has nothing even after the resurrection as the disciples continued with the Sabbath as it was before so you have to really twist scripture to fit a change to Sunday as the day...
  12. Hobie

    The history of how Sunday worship came about.

    But are they following God or traditions of man, that is the issue...
  13. Hobie

    When is the Sabbath?

    The day is laid out from Creation when it was made, and the time is from sunset on the sixth day, Friday to sunset at the end of the seventh day, Saturday.... Many people get confused as to when the Sabbath is, to say nothing of those who brought in Sunday as a day of worship. The Sabbath is...
  14. Hobie

    The history of how Sunday worship came about.

    Here is a bit more on how and why the Pantheon became acceptable to the Roman Catholics: In 607 A.D. the Roman Emperor Phocus defeated the Barbarians who were in control of Rome. The Pantheon in Rome, a pagan edifice which had been wrested from the barbarians, was given to pope Boniface IV...
  15. Hobie

    The history of how Sunday worship came about.

    So the church at Rome was where this change to pagan day of the sun was spreading, the Romans substituted their own sun god, Sol, and named the day "dies solis", meaning "sun's day," in Latin. This was picked up through the Roman Empire and Constantine then made his proclamation in 321...
  16. Hobie

    The history of how Sunday worship came about.

    And where was he, at the center of change in Rome. The name "Sunday" is used for the first time by Justin Martyr (First Apology 67) in accommodation to a Roman nomenclature, but with reference to the circumstances that the light was created on the first day (noticed also in the Midrash; Gen. R...
  17. Hobie

    The history of how Sunday worship came about.

    Now it wasnt just Sunday worship that was legislated and brough in, but the church governance was changed in the form with the rites and rituals of the old Roman religion brought in, and idols renamed or 'Christianized" so the masses could continue with what they were familiar with. Here is a...
  18. Hobie

    The history of how Sunday worship came about.

    Now its clear that Sunday worship was not scriptural so they had to make secular laws or imperial degrees to make the people change their Sabbath worship. Here is a good historical record in a book on the Sunday Legislation that was enacted throughout the years.. 'And when clearly there was no...
  19. Hobie

    The history of how Sunday worship came about.

    We find more from Samuele Bacchiocchi's book 'From Sabbath to Sunday'... 'In the first century AD there is no evidence of Christians worshipping on Sunday. The New Testament says that Jesus and the apostles worshipped on the seventh day. During the second century, some Christians in Rome and...
  20. Hobie

    The history of how Sunday worship came about.

    Well, lets look at the verse from the KJV: Colossians 2:14-17 King James Version (KJV) 14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a...