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  1. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    The Bible does not say that Jesus forgave the thief. When Jesus said, Luke 23:34 (WEB): (34) Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they don’t know what they are doing.” Dividing his garments among them, they cast lots. he was not referring to the two thieves! The clear words of Jesus -...
  2. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    Once again, Jesus did not go to heaven on the day that he was crucified, and Jesus never lied so he would not have said, or meant, that the thief would be with Jesus in heaven that very day. Jesus was dead for three days: Luke 24:46 (WEB): (46) He {Jesus} said to them, “Thus it is written...
  3. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    Read it more carefully, in the context of the request made by the thief - Luke 23:42-43 (WEB): (42) He said to Jesus, “Lord, remember me when you come into your Kingdom.” (43) Jesus said to him, “Assuredly I tell you, today you will be with me in Paradise.” The thief asked Jesus to remember...
  4. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    In order to be sure that you are believing the truth of God's word, you have to interpret it such that there is no conflict of undestanding with other verses. If there seems to be a conflict then you should realise that is most likely because you are misunderstanding one or more verses of the...
  5. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    But Jesus did not go there on the day that he was crucified, so he could not have been there with the thief that day. Matthew 12:39-40 (WEB): (39) But he answered them, “An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, but no sign will be given to it but the sign of Jonah the prophet...
  6. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    Nevertheless, I can find two translations that translate Luke 23:43 differently: 1865 Diaglot NT: And said to him the Jesus: Indeed I say to thee to-day, with me thou shalt be in the Paradise. Translation from Aramaic, Lamsa Bible: Jesus said to him, Truly I say to you today, you will be with...
  7. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    In what respect? Jesus made no mention of body, spirit or soul. He simply said Lazarus was sleeping, then plainly explained that Lazarus was dead. He said that he was going to wake Lazarus up from his sleep (death). That involved restoring a dead, decomposing and stinking body back to life...
  8. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    Jesus also thought of death as a soul/spirit sleep - John 11:11-14 (WEB): (11) He said these things, and after that, he said to them, “Our friend, Lazarus, has fallen asleep, but I am going so that I may awake him out of sleep.” (12) The disciples therefore said, “Lord, if he has fallen...
  9. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    Using our minds to logically deduce whether claimed doctrine is true or not is not irrelevant. Acts 17:11 (WEB): (11) Now these were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things...
  10. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    I'm not a mind reader; I can only respond to what you write!
  11. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    Spiritual understanding is not out of harmony with God's written Word, yet your "spiritual understanding" seems to be. I give up! You seem incapable of thinking logically. You said "God is spirit and has spirits". A comparable simile for man would be, "Man is flesh and has fleshes", or "man...
  12. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    Why are you now introducing "sent to earth" to sing?! Except perhaps Job 38:7! That's not likely the intended meaning because it is plural - "the morning stars sang together". His notes were published in 1847-85, yet we had the hymn "Hark! The Herald Angels Sing" written in 1739, so it can't...
  13. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    You're right - you can't seem to state it succinctly! What does that mean - that "God has seven spirits"? How can He have seven spirits that are all one same spirit? That doesn't make any sense. And yet, referring to Jesus, Paul states, Colossians 2:9 (WEB): (9) For in him all the fullness...
  14. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    Job 38:7 (WEB): (7) when the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? The "morning stars" in that verse are generally interpreted as referring to angelic beings. Albert Barnes' notes comment: The expression “the morning-stars” is used on account of the beauty of...
  15. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    Well what you wrote doesn't make much sense to me, so I had hoped you would try to explain what you meant in easier to understand English. I'll just have to guess at what you meant. I had said that Isaiah 11:2 mentioned God's spirit (His Holy Spirit is just one spirit - right?) and then six...
  16. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    How is "Do animals go to heaven?" so unclear to you that you can't answer it? Can you not answer "Do humans go to heaven?" either? Are animals under God's Law? If not, and they therefore cannot sin, why do they die? If they can sin then how can God provide a saviour to save the animals from...
  17. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    You had written: So I was pointing out that angels will be judged to see if they are worthy of eternal life, just the same as humans will be. Animals will not be. Please quote the Bible verse which you think states that animals are accountable for their beliefs and actions. I don't know of any.
  18. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    Eh? I've no idea what you mean by that. I mentioned nothing about "totality". I just noted that Isaiah 11:2 mentions one spirit (God's spirit) - not seven spirits - and then six qualities of that one spirit. You were the one trying to make out that it was a list of seven spirits of God; I...
  19. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    The Scriptures says that Christians (only Christians) will be changed at the first resurrection: 1 Corinthians 15:50-53 (WEB): (50) Now I say this, brothers, that flesh and blood can’t inherit God’s Kingdom; neither does the perishable inherit imperishable. (51) Behold, I tell you a mystery...
  20. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    There would have to be a judgement/decision to decide which animals would be changed to spirit beings and go to heaven, and which would be resurrected as physical beings again and live on the earth. There is no mention of it in the Bible, so there is no reason to believe God will do it. If...