[Christina]

The 1527 Original Word of God In English http://www.originalscriptures.org/

[The Barbarian]

Thank you very much for posting the link. I will enjoy reading it.

[Samuel Pickens]

I think that one was the Tyndale Bible.

Wycliffe also was English and prior in ~1390.

One can find English translations prior to 1066 AD but only a few books here and there; nothing complete.

Much of the reading is difficult in old English. I have read with the KJV side-by-side.

It is amazing how many have died for the perservation of God's word. I find it so mind boggling that the catholic church has killed ~50,000,000 Christians since their inception under King Constantine.

Martyr's Mirror and Foxe's book of Martyrs are also 'must reads'.

[jiggyfly]

Samuel Pickens, on 12 February 2010 - 07:35 AM, said:

It is amazing how many have died for the perservation of God's word. I find it so mind boggling that the catholic church has killed ~50,000,000 Christians since their inception under King Constantine.

I wonder where this info was obtained, is it based on historical facts? 50 million is a lot of killing

[Samuel Pickens]

jiggyfly, on 18 February 2010 - 06:33 AM, said:

I wonder where this info was obtained, is it based on historical facts? 50 million is a lot of killing

You can read letters from the catholic church where they say and admit to the killings. You can read history of the early churches from Martyr's Mirror, Foxe's book of Martyrs and Trail of Blood. You can read court documents in England and France. You can read a large number of books and letters well documenting these estimated numbers.

Oh, maybe 15 yrs ago a catholic cardinal was visiting NY and a reported asked, "is it true the catholic church is responsible for killing 36,000,000 million Christians (that's estimated for Baptist killed)" and he said, "everybody makes mistakes". I saw it.

These facts are well documented and easy to find.

In English history I think you can easily find documents in court where a lot of people were burned alive (some by catholic and some by church of England). BTW; EW Bullinger was church of England. Christians pull out of those false religions. I can name a number today.

[jiggyfly]

Samuel Pickens, on 18 February 2010 - 07:32 AM, said:

You can read letters from the catholic church where they say and admit to the killings. You can read history of the early churches from Martyr's Mirror, Foxe's book of Martyrs and Trail of Blood. You can read court documents in England and France. You can read a large number of books and letters well documenting these estimated numbers.

Oh, maybe 15 yrs ago a catholic cardinal was visiting NY and a reported asked, "is it true the catholic church is responsible for killing 36,000,000 million Christians (that's estimated for Baptist killed)" and he said, "everybody makes mistakes". I saw it.

These facts are well documented and easy to find.

In English history I think you can easily find documents in court where a lot of people were burned alive (some by catholic and some by church of England). BTW; EW Bullinger was church of England. Christians pull out of those false religions. I can name a number today.

So can you produce/post the documentation that supports 50 million killed?

[Samuel Pickens]

jiggyfly, on 18 February 2010 - 07:37 AM, said:

So can you produce/post the documentation that supports 50 million killed?

YES! Anybody can that can read. Read the public statements from the cardinals. Read the documents and court records of the catholic church and even the church of england. They aren't in a vault locked up.

May God have mercy on you.

[jiggyfly]

Samuel Pickens, on 18 February 2010 - 08:35 AM, said:

YES! Anybody can that can read. Read the public statements from the cardinals. Read the documents and court records of the catholic church and even the church of england. They aren't in a vault locked up.

May God have mercy on you.

Post them here.

[Samuel Pickens]

jiggyfly, on 18 February 2010 - 07:37 PM, said:

Post them here.

OK; here's one from a catholic..........

Stanislaus Hosius, The Begynnyng of Heresyes in Oure Tyme, translated out of Latin into English by Richard Shacklock, 1565:
pp. 44-48

"For if so be, that as every is moste redy to suffer deathe for the faythe of his sect, so his faythe sholde be judged moste perfect and most sure, there shall be no faythe more certayne and true, then is the Anabaptistes, seying there be none now, or have bene before time for the space of these thousand and to hundred yeares, who have bene more cruelly punyshed, or that have more stoutely, stedfastly, cherefully taken theire punishment, yea or have offered them selves of their owne accorde to death, were it never so terrible and grevouse. Yea in Saint Augustyn his time, as he hym selffe sayeth, there was a certaine monstrouse desire of deathe in them. ... Nether was there such folyshe hardy heretkes in Sainst Augustine his tyme only. For foure hundred years agone, at what time S. Bernard lyved, there were Anabaptistes, which were no lesse prodigal to spend their lyfe, then were the Donatists, some (saythe he) did mervayle that they were led to theire deathe not only paciently but as it semed very frolyke and merye.
...If you beholde their cherefullnes in suffring persecutions, the Anabaptists run farr before all other heretykes. If you will have regarde to the number, it is like that in multitude they would swarm above al other, if they were not grevously plaged and cut off with the knyfe of persecution. If you have an eye to the outewarde appearaunce of godlynes, bothe the Lutherans and the Zuinglians muste nedes graunte, that they farr passe them.
...And surely howe many so euer haue wrytten agaynst this heresie, whether they were Catholykes or Heretykes, they were able to overthrowe it not so muche by the testimony of the scriptures, as by the authoritie of the Churche."
There's a ton or hundreds of pages and easy to get......... There's plenty and even court records. I have them and can post them but it is easy to find them yourself on the Internet if you wish. The above is but one sample.

Samuel Pickens, on 18 February 2010 - 09:05 PM, said:

OK; here's one from a catholic..........

Stanislaus Hosius, The Begynnyng of Heresyes in Oure Tyme, translated out of Latin into English by Richard Shacklock, 1565:
pp. 44-48

"For if so be, that as every is moste redy to suffer deathe for the faythe of his sect, so his faythe sholde be judged moste perfect and most sure, there shall be no faythe more certayne and true, then is the Anabaptistes, seying there be none now, or have bene before time for the space of these thousand and to hundred yeares, who have bene more cruelly punyshed, or that have more stoutely, stedfastly, cherefully taken theire punishment, yea or have offered them selves of their owne accorde to death, were it never so terrible and grevouse. Yea in Saint Augustyn his time, as he hym selffe sayeth, there was a certaine monstrouse desire of deathe in them. ... Nether was there such folyshe hardy heretkes in Sainst Augustine his tyme only. For foure hundred years agone, at what time S. Bernard lyved, there were Anabaptistes, which were no lesse prodigal to spend their lyfe, then were the Donatists, some (saythe he) did mervayle that they were led to theire deathe not only paciently but as it semed very frolyke and merye.
...If you beholde their cherefullnes in suffring persecutions, the Anabaptists run farr before all other heretykes. If you will have regarde to the number, it is like that in multitude they would swarm above al other, if they were not grevously plaged and cut off with the knyfe of persecution. If you have an eye to the outewarde appearaunce of godlynes, bothe the Lutherans and the Zuinglians muste nedes graunte, that they farr passe them.
...And surely howe many so euer haue wrytten agaynst this heresie, whether they were Catholykes or Heretykes, they were able to overthrowe it not so muche by the testimony of the scriptures, as by the authoritie of the Churche."
There's a ton or hundreds of pages and easy to get.........

There's plenty and even court records. I have them and can post them but it is easy to find them yourself on the Internet if you wish. The above is but one sample.

EASY English..............................................

Roman Catholic Cardinal Stanislaus Hosius, President of the Council of Trent in 1524, said,

"Were it not that the Baptists have been grievously tormented and cut off with the knife during the past twelve hundred years, they would swarm in greater number than all the Reformers."

This Roman Catholic Cardinal in charge of anathematizing Bible believers acknowledged that the Baptists had existed as far back as 324 A.D.

[Samuel Pickens]

Samuel Pickens, on 18 February 2010 - 09:07 PM, said:

OK; here's one from a catholic..........

Stanislaus Hosius, The Begynnyng of Heresyes in Oure Tyme, translated out of Latin into English by Richard Shacklock, 1565:
pp. 44-48

"For if so be, that as every is moste redy to suffer deathe for the faythe of his sect, so his faythe sholde be judged moste perfect and most sure, there shall be no faythe more certayne and true, then is the Anabaptistes, seying there be none now, or have bene before time for the space of these thousand and to hundred yeares, who have bene more cruelly punyshed, or that have more stoutely, stedfastly, cherefully taken theire punishment, yea or have offered them selves of their owne accorde to death, were it never so terrible and grevouse. Yea in Saint Augustyn his time, as he hym selffe sayeth, there was a certaine monstrouse desire of deathe in them. ... Nether was there such folyshe hardy heretkes in Sainst Augustine his tyme only. For foure hundred years agone, at what time S. Bernard lyved, there were Anabaptistes, which were no lesse prodigal to spend their lyfe, then were the Donatists, some (saythe he) did mervayle that they were led to theire deathe not only paciently but as it semed very frolyke and merye.
...If you beholde their cherefullnes in suffring persecutions, the Anabaptists run farr before all other heretykes. If you will have regarde to the number, it is like that in multitude they would swarm above al other, if they were not grevously plaged and cut off with the knyfe of persecution. If you have an eye to the outewarde appearaunce of godlynes, bothe the Lutherans and the Zuinglians muste nedes graunte, that they farr passe them.
...And surely howe many so euer haue wrytten agaynst this heresie, whether they were Catholykes or Heretykes, they were able to overthrowe it not so muche by the testimony of the scriptures, as by the authoritie of the Churche."
There's a ton or hundreds of pages and easy to get......... There's plenty and even court records. I have them and can post them but it is easy to find them yourself on the Internet if you wish. The above is but one sample.



EASY English..............................................

Roman Catholic Cardinal Stanislaus Hosius, President of the Council of Trent in 1524, said,

"Were it not that the Baptists have been grievously tormented and cut off with the knife during the past twelve hundred years, they would swarm in greater number than all the Reformers."

This Roman Catholic Cardinal in charge of anathematizing Bible believers acknowledged that the Baptists had existed as far back as 324 A.D.

Now: going to early. And I have thousands of such down through every century. When the Roman Papist started the killing it got more intense and far worse that first century.

This apostle lived only until the fourth year of the Emperor Claudius, at which time, Agabus had predicted, there should be a dearth throughout all the world. Oros. lib. 7. carp. 6.

At that time Claudius charged Herod Agrippa to suppress the church of Christ. Then Herod laid his bloody hands on this apostle and, on the feast of the passover, put him in prison. Shortly afterwards he was sentenced to death, and executed with the sword, in Jerusalem. This occurred in the year forty-five after the birth of Christ. Acts 12:2.

Clemens relates that the executioner, seeing his innocence, was converted to the Christian faith, and died with him. According to the annotation of Eusebius Pamphilius, from Clemens Alexandrinus, the executioner was so moved on account of the death of James, that he professed himself to be a Christian; and so, as he states, both were led forth together to death. As they were led out, the executioner asked James to forgive him. James, after a little deliberation, said, "Peace be with thee," and kissed him. And thus both were beheaded. Euseb. lib. 2. cap. 9. ex Clem. Alexand. Also W. Baudart. Apophthegmat. lib. 1. page 4. from Joach. Camer. in vita Christi, page 42.

[jiggyfly]

I'm sorry but I don't see any specific number of people mentioned in your proof got anything else? Was looking for something to substantiate your statement of "50 million killed".

[Samuel Pickens]

jiggyfly, on 18 February 2010 - 10:35 PM, said:

I'm sorry but I don't see any specific number of people mentioned in your proof got anything else? Was looking for something to substantiate your statement of "50 million killed".

Peradventure; would 10 murdered be acceptable? Those numbers are easily found and they range from 30,000,000 to 55,000,000. I did not create those numbers. Thousands are part of court records and catholic records and Christian's records, documents and accounts. They are easily found on the Internet if you're really interested.

[jiggyfly]

Samuel Pickens, on 19 February 2010 - 08:05 AM, said:

Peradventure; would 10 murdered be acceptable? Those numbers are easily found and they range from 30,000,000 to 55,000,000. I did not create those numbers. Thousands are part of court records and catholic records and Christian's records, documents and accounts. They are easily found on the Internet if you're really interested.

So just post the sources that state so.

[Samuel Pickens]

jiggyfly, on 20 February 2010 - 05:35 AM, said:

So just post the sources that state so.

One sourse and yes; it's authenic, is Martyr's Mirror. It is available on the Internet as an 'online' read or you can buy it at B&N I believe. It is ~1182 pages. One can also find resourses in England as in search for Christian Martyrs in England. Christian martrys in France. History of the Amish.

I can't believe any Christian hasn't heard of Foxe's Book of Martry's................. It is a must read. And of course "Trail of Blood by CM Carroll.

[jiggyfly]

Samuel Pickens, on 20 February 2010 - 07:22 AM, said:

One sourse and yes; it's authenic, is Martyr's Mirror. It is available on the Internet as an 'online' read or you can buy it at B&N I believe. It is ~1182 pages. One can also find resourses in England as in search for Christian Martyrs in England. Christian martrys in France. History of the Amish.

I can't believe any Christian hasn't heard of Foxe's Book of Martry's................. It is a must read. And of course "Trail of Blood by CM Carroll.

I can't believe you still have not posted the proof of "50 million killed" yet, have you heard of copy/ paste?

[Samuel Pickens]

jiggyfly, on 21 February 2010 - 07:17 AM, said:

I can't believe you still have not posted the proof of "50 million killed" yet, have you heard of copy/ paste?

Jig,

I know you don't believe; but, I thought you could read. Read Martyr's Mirrir and Foxe's book of Martyrs.

With an ounce of common sense one could muster the idea that posting entire books here would require much space. Posting the Bible would take a lot of space.

A Bible in the University of Gottingen is written on 2,470 palm leaves.

According to statistics from Wycliffe International, the Society of
Gideons, and the International Bible Society, the number of new Bibles
that are sold, given away, or otherwise distributed in the United
States is about 168,000 per day.

The Bible can be read aloud in 70 hours.

There are 8,674 different Hebrew words in the Bible, 5,624 different
Greek words, and 12,143 different English words in the King James Version.

A number of verses in the Bible (KJV) contain all but 1 letter of the
alphabet: Ezra 7:21 contains all but the letter j; Joshua 7:24,
1 Kings 1:9, 1 Chronicles 12:40, 2 Chronicles 36:10, Ezekiel 28:13,
Daniel 4:37, and Haggai 1:1 contain all but q; 2 Kings 16:15 and
1 Chronicles 4:10 contain all but z; and Galatians 1:14 contains all
but k.

BIBLE STATISTICS:
Number of books in the Bible: 66
Chapters: 1,189
Verses: 31,101
Words: 783,137
Letters: 3,566,480
Number of promises given in the Bible: 1,260
Commands: 6,468
Predictions: over 8,000
Fulfilled prophecy: 3,268 verses
Unfulfilled prophecy: 3,140
Number of questions: 3,294
Longest name: Mahershalalhashbaz (Isaiah 8:1)
Longest verse: Esther 8:9 (78 words)
Shortest verse: John 11:35 (2 words: "Jesus wept").
Middle books: Micah and Nahum
Middle verse: Psalm 118:8
Middle chapter: Psalm 117
Shortest chapter (by number of words): Psalm 117 (by number of words)
Longest book: Psalms (150 chapters)
Shortest book (by number of words): 3 John
Longest chapter: Psalm 119 (176 verses)
Number of times the word "God" appears: 3,358
Number of times the word "Lord" appears: 7,736
Number of different authors: 40
Number of languages the Bible has been translated into: over 1,200
OLD TESTAMENT STATISTICS:
Number of books: 39
Chapters: 929
Verses: 23,114
Words: 602,585
Letters: 2,278,100
Middle book: Proverbs
Middle chapter: Job 20
Middle verses: 2 Chronicles 20:17,18
Smallest book: Obadiah
Shortest verse: 1 Chronicles 1:25
Longest verse: Esther 8:9
Longest chapter: Psalms 119
Largest book: Psalms
NEW TESTAMENT STATISTICS:
Number of books: 27
Chapters: 260
Verses: 7,957
Words: 180,552
Letters: 838,380
Middle book: 2 Thessalonians
Middle chapters: Romans 8, 9
Middle verse: Acts 27:17
Smallest book: 3 John
Shortest verse: John 11:35
Longest verse: Revelation 20:4
Longest chapter: Luke 1
Largest book: Luke

[jiggyfly]

Just post the part that states 50 million were killed. How hard is that?

But on second thought, never mind, I have no interest in your opinion any longer, God bless.