[Irish]

whirlwind, on 28 February 2010 - 03:57 PM, said:

The flood has to happen before the 3 1/2 days when the witnesses "stand on their feet." But, why do you see it before the 1,260 days they teach? Do they not prophecy during that time, during the 42 months, 1260 days, 3 1/2 years? How and why do you see that as a time after the flood? Noah lived 350 years after the flood but why do you see that as the same time the witnesses prophecy....unless you see the gathering of the witnesses, calling of the saints, as the flood time instead of their teaching time. If thats it then it would put the millennium as the time they teach but that is 1000 years....not 1260.

It isn't coming together but....I'm thinking about it.

The sequence in Genesis is correct, however the question may be better asked, what is the meaning of the 1260? ( never trust a man that asks his own questions ). Here is where the meat of the matter comes in. Do the two witnesses prophecy for 1260 days or concerning the meaning of it. This is where it is not coming together for you, but that's OK, one step at a time. I'll tell you a funny thing about the seemingly unrelated subject, the migrations of the earth and moon in relation to the sun. ( by now your thinking, where did I find this nut ). Well, the last prophecy (the way I see it) to go out before Christ returns IS the 1260, then the two are killed. So why would I mention the sun and moon?


Genesis 1:14-16 (King James Version)


¹⁴And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

¹⁵And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

¹⁶And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.




Well, it seems we have our first sign and our last, what are the chances?

Now the sun and the moon from our perspective, do this dance in the sky, they go through a series of eclipses called the saros. Now these series last an average of 1260 years ( Hey have you seen that number anywhere before? ) This is where an inquisitive mind might say,....hmmmm!




Are you going Hmmmm?




Irish

[whirlwind]

Irish, on 01 March 2010 - 05:00 PM, said:

The sequence in Genesis is correct, however the question may be better asked, what is the meaning of the 1260? ( never trust a man that asks his own questions ). Here is where the meat of the matter comes in. Do the two witnesses prophecy for 1260 days or concerning the meaning of it. This is where it is not coming together for you, but that's OK, one step at a time. I'll tell you a funny thing about the seemingly unrelated subject, the migrations of the earth and moon in relation to the sun. ( by now your thinking, where did I find this nut ). Well, the last prophecy (the way I see it) to go out before Christ returns IS the 1260, then the two are killed. So why would I mention the sun and moon?


Genesis 1:14-16 (King James Version)


¹⁴And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

¹⁵And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

¹⁶And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.




Well, it seems we have our first sign and our last, what are the chances?

Now the sun and the moon from our perspective, do this dance in the sky, they go through a series of eclipses called the saros. Now these series last an average of 1260 years ( Hey have you seen that number anywhere before? ) This is where an inquisitive mind might say,....hmmmm!




Are you going Hmmmm?

Irish

Talk about "signs".....I'm in the middle of writing a thread on signs right now...I began this morning and strangely....it concerns 1 & 4. You just listed Genesis 1:4 which is also part of the sign thread. What are the chances indeed?

I'm at work so I don't have time presently to go...hmmmm, but hope to later. I reviewed your previous replies to try to gather more information at one time....I have a difficult time with a piece here then a piece there because patience isn't in my vocabulary.

I look forward to some quiet time to try to cypher your clues as you tend to offer them...piece by piece. However, the 1260 day cycle is very interesting.

[Irish]

whirlwind, on 01 March 2010 - 01:01 PM, said:

Talk about "signs".....I'm in the middle of writing a thread on signs right now...I began this morning and strangely....it concerns 1 & 4. You just listed Genesis 1:4 which is also part of the sign thread. What are the chances indeed?

I'm at work so I don't have time presently to go...hmmmm, but hope to later. I reviewed your previous replies to try to gather more information at one time....I have a difficult time with a piece here then a piece there because patience isn't in my vocabulary.

I look forward to some quiet time to try to cypher your clues as you tend to offer them...piece by piece. However, the 1260 day cycle is very interesting.

Hi Whirlwind, I am honestly not trying to be cryptic in my presentation of these things, but until you see one, the others won't make any sense, and I would be wasting your time as well. It's kind of like the seven thunders, you know, write not down what the seven thunders uttered or something like that. Well, that is mostly interpreted as being something we will never know when the opposite is the point, almost sounds cryptic in a sense. If interested I will post some info on the 1260 year cycles but like you say, piece by piece....


Irish

[whirlwind]

Irish, on 02 March 2010 - 02:19 PM, said:

Hi Whirlwind, I am honestly not trying to be cryptic in my presentation of these things, but until you see one, the others won't make any sense, and I would be wasting your time as well. It's kind of like the seven thunders, you know, write not down what the seven thunders uttered or something like that. Well, that is mostly interpreted as being something we will never know when the opposite is the point, almost sounds cryptic in a sense. If interested I will post some info on the 1260 year cycles but like you say, piece by piece....


Irish

I agree in that the opposite is true of the seven thunders writing. John wasn't to write it but....we are to understand it as the Spirit reveals.

My day was taken with my Mom in the Dr.'s office....a reaction to a newly prescribed drug. She's fine but again....another sign has been shown, another of those "coincidences." I was really worried about her last night and woke up a few times praying for her. As I sat in the waiting room I picked up a National Geographic and thumbed through the pages. I stopped and there was a page advertising her new medication...Lyrica. As I read the info on the possible side affects....ALL her issues were shown...ALL of them. Swelling, dizziness, blurriness, sleepiness. So, it wasn't another blood clot, wasn't a kidney problem....just a reaction.

You can feel rather silly showing something like that to the doctor that prescribed it.....but I did. Happily, Mom should be fine by tomorrow...now that Lyrica is tossed away.

But, I haven't had an opportunity to study or write today so....in answer to your offer....I would very much enjoy your post on the 1260 year cyles, only try not to divide them in teeny, tiny pieces if possible.

[Irish]

whirlwind, on 02 March 2010 - 03:22 PM, said:

I agree in that the opposite is true of the seven thunders writing. John wasn't to write it but....we are to understand it as the Spirit reveals.

My day was taken with my Mom in the Dr.'s office....a reaction to a newly prescribed drug. She's fine but again....another sign has been shown, another of those "coincidences." I was really worried about her last night and woke up a few times praying for her. As I sat in the waiting room I picked up a National Geographic and thumbed through the pages. I stopped and there was a page advertising her new medication...Lyrica. As I read the info on the possible side affects....ALL her issues were shown...ALL of them. Swelling, dizziness, blurriness, sleepiness. So, it wasn't another blood clot, wasn't a kidney problem....just a reaction.

You can feel rather silly showing something like that to the doctor that prescribed it.....but I did. Happily, Mom should be fine by tomorrow...now that Lyrica is tossed away.

But, I haven't had an opportunity to study or write today so....in answer to your offer....I would very much enjoy your post on the 1260 year cyles, only try not to divide them in teeny, tiny pieces if possible.

Good to hear your mom is OK.....I'll try to post more tomorrow....

Irish

[Irish]

Irish, on 03 March 2010 - 02:31 PM, said:

Good to hear your mom is OK.....I'll try to post more tomorrow....

Irish

Oh oh, late as usual......

One thing about the ecliptic cycles of the sun and moon is that there are repetitions that occur. There is something called the saros cycles in which generally speaking, there is a 1260 year sequence of eclipses. At any given time there are I believe 42 of these simultaneously occuring at the same time. Some come, some go but as one leaves another will take it's place within a month. This is where things should really start to raise ones interest in whether or not this is important, the cycles are generally divided into 594 years and 666 years. 594 years of perfect timing eclipses and 666 years of not so perfect eclipses. Now there is probably one or two of us that has heard of the number 666, but what of the number 594,....not so much. If the two witnesses are to prophecy concerning 1260, what is it they know?


Irish

[whirlwind]

Irish, on 08 March 2010 - 05:15 PM, said:

Oh oh, late as usual......

One thing about the ecliptic cycles of the sun and moon is that there are repetitions that occur. There is something called the saros cycles in which generally speaking, there is a 1260 year sequence of eclipses. At any given time there are I believe 42 of these simultaneously occuring at the same time. Some come, some go but as one leaves another will take it's place within a month. This is where things should really start to raise ones interest in whether or not this is important, the cycles are generally divided into 594 years and 666 years. 594 years of perfect timing eclipses and 666 years of not so perfect eclipses. Now there is probably one or two of us that has heard of the number 666, but what of the number 594,....not so much. If the two witnesses are to prophecy concerning 1260, what is it they know?


Irish

Hi Irish. I saw a fellow on television yesterday....Brian Irish was his name and I thought about you. He was investigating the "mystery lights" in the Carolinas. That wasn't you....was it? Actually, it wasn't yesterday...I saw it yesterday but it was recorded.

Now...to the subject. What is the 594?

Also, in writing another thread I saw this....

Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

I always understood that to be the seventh trump but now I'm wondering...is it? The seventh trump has "days of sounding." Are the days the 1260 days? Is the 1260 days "immediately after the tribulation" or during it?

I'm questioning this now because of what you said last week and what I'm now wondering about the sun, moon and stars. It's to much to go into now but it all hinges on when the 1260 days happens.

Interesting thing about the "At any given time there are I believe 42 of these simultaneously occuring at the same time," in connection to this.....

Revelation 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

Curioser and curioser....


Editing in.....You wrote, "If the two witnesses are to prophecy concerning 1260, what is it they know?" Why do you see them prophesying about the 1260 and not during the 1260?

Revelation 11:3 And I will give power unto My two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth."

[jerryjohnson]

whirlwind, on 08 March 2010 - 02:23 PM, said:

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I'm questioning this now because of what you said last week and what I'm now wondering about the sun, moon and stars. It's to much to go into now but it all hinges on when the 1260 days happens.

...

Curioser and curioser....

Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

I am beginning to wonder if the 1260 is talking about an amount of time or the subject of a message? It does not say "for a thousand two hundred and threescore days,"

[whirlwind]

jerryjohnson, on 08 March 2010 - 11:19 PM, said:

Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

I am beginning to wonder if the 1260 is talking about an amount of time or the subject of a message? It does not say "for a thousand two hundred and threescore days,"

You just answered an edit I inserted in the above post. Interesting. Time or subject?

[Irish]

Here is something that will start to lock in this level of the 1260, and should make you see there is more to this than a couple of men standing in one spot with funny clothes on...

Have you ever seen a lunar eclipse? You probably have. Did you notice how in not so rare occasions, in will turn blood red, depending on the conditions of the earth?......

Have you ever seen a solar eclipse? I'm sure you have seen partials anyways. Did you notice how the sun turns as if it were black as sackcloth for a period of time?

Now in a single saros cycle you will have approximately 70 eclipses of both types, over an average of 1260 years. ( I will go over this later)

Now consider this:


Revelation 6:12 (King James Version)


¹²And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;




Remember, the seals are in a time of learning of a future event. In other words this is information a certain group of people should know before the action actually happens. Did you notice that besides the earthquake, what we are seeing is the sun and moon mentioned. Now here is the give away,.......these two types of eclipses can't happen at the same time. You either have one or the other, a solar or a lunar. Then what type of event are we seeing here? Oh, I know, the 1260!




Take a look at the two witnesses:

³And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.




Notice what they are clothed in?........Sackcloth, the only other time this is used in Revelation is the sixth seal. Connect the dots, you might see they are clothed in the knowledge of the 1260. And, since this is the last prophecy to go out, it might be important!







Mike

[whirlwind]

Irish, on 09 March 2010 - 04:28 PM, said:

Here is something that will start to lock in this level of the 1260, and should make you see there is more to this than a couple of men standing in one spot with funny clothes on...

Have you ever seen a lunar eclipse? You probably have. Did you notice how in not so rare occasions, in will turn blood red, depending on the conditions of the earth?......

Have you ever seen a solar eclipse? I'm sure you have seen partials anyways. Did you notice how the sun turns as if it were black as sackcloth for a period of time?

Now in a single saros cycle you will have approximately 70 eclipses of both types, over an average of 1260 years. ( I will go over this later)

Now consider this:


Revelation 6:12 (King James Version)


¹²And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;




Remember, the seals are in a time of learning of a future event. In other words this is information a certain group of people should know before the action actually happens. Did you notice that besides the earthquake, what we are seeing is the sun and moon mentioned. Now here is the give away,.......these two types of eclipses can't happen at the same time. You either have one or the other, a solar or a lunar. Then what type of event are we seeing here? Oh, I know, the 1260!




Take a look at the two witnesses:

³And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.




Notice what they are clothed in?........Sackcloth, the only other time this is used in Revelation is the sixth seal. Connect the dots, you might see they are clothed in the knowledge of the 1260. And, since this is the last prophecy to go out, it might be important!


Mike

Hi Mike (so you're not Brian Irish after all ),

Sackcloth is mourning clothes. I can see that they're clothed in knowledge of the reason for mourning. But...why do you see the 1260 days as the knowledge and not the time in which they prophesy (if that's what you're suggesting?)

Do they prophesy about that time or during that time, or both? I continue to see it as the days in which they teach because....

Revelation 12:6 (666) And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

Are they going to feed the days to her or feed her during the days?

Please explain. Also, I am seeing the sun, moon, stars, earthquake, blood...everything, in a non-literal way. Could it be both? Sure, but I'll have to rely on your knowledge of this to see it literally.


Here's another of those Rev. 6:12, 12:6...12:60 days. The 1260 days are 666.

[Irish]

whirlwind, on 09 March 2010 - 11:50 AM, said:

Hi Mike (so you're not Brian Irish after all ),

Sackcloth is mourning clothes. I can see that they're clothed in knowledge of the reason for mourning. But...why do you see the 1260 days as the knowledge and not the time in which they prophesy (if that's what you're suggesting?)

Do they prophesy about that time or during that time, or both? I continue to see it as the days in which they teach because....

Revelation 12:6 (666) And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

Are they going to feed the days to her or feed her during the days?

Please explain. Also, I am seeing the sun, moon, stars, earthquake, blood...everything, in a non-literal way. Could it be both? Sure, but I'll have to rely on your knowledge of this to see it literally.


Here's another of those Rev. 6:12, 12:6...12:60 days. The 1260 days are 666.

Before they can prophecy, they have to have the knowledge to do so; note there candlesticks (assemblies) will also have this knowledge. Anybody without this knowledge will not do very well at numerating 666. As far as the sun/moon go:


Genesis 1:14-16 (King James Version)


¹⁴And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

¹⁵And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

¹⁶And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.




You see, he told us in the beginning what these would be for,.........the revealing or Revelations answers the question. This is one way we will be able to identify their office. The 1260 is more than 666, it is 594 + 666.......




Irish

whirlwind, on 09 March 2010 - 11:50 AM, said:

Hi Mike (so you're not Brian Irish after all ),

Busted...

[whirlwind]

Irish, on 09 March 2010 - 08:48 PM, said:

Before they can prophecy, they have to have the knowledge to do so; note there candlesticks (assemblies) will also have this knowledge. Anybody without this knowledge will not do very well at numerating 666. As far as the sun/moon go:

Irish, the Spirit is opening revelation of His word now. Is it the time of latter rain? I don't know but feel it is. I guess what I'm saying is, if you are saying some new thing will be revealed I don't agree. I don't think any new prophecy will be given but deeper understanding of what is written will be revealed. Not only through the Spirit as we study His Word but through the Spirit in other folks....such as you and the posters that bring their thoughts to these forums.

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Genesis 1:14-16 (King James Version)


¹⁴And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

¹⁵And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

¹⁶And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

You see, he told us in the beginning what these would be for,.........the revealing or Revelations answers the question. This is one way we will be able to identify their office. The 1260 is more than 666, it is 594 + 666.......


Irish

I've been working on a thread dealing with the above verses. I've held off completion because of these conversations but may post it even though I'm not yet sure what you are teaching. Perhaps I'm meant to. There is some reason we're both involved in similar studies.

I'm still hoping for an explanation on 594.

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Busted...

'Tis a shame for I wanted to learn more about the "lights."

[Irish]

whirlwind, on 09 March 2010 - 06:15 PM, said:

Irish, the Spirit is opening revelation of His word now. Is it the time of latter rain? I don't know but feel it is. I guess what I'm saying is, if you are saying some new thing will be revealed I don't agree. I don't think any new prophecy will be given but deeper understanding of what is written will be revealed. Not only through the Spirit as we study His Word but through the Spirit in other folks....such as you and the posters that bring their thoughts to these forums.




I've been working on a thread dealing with the above verses. I've held off completion because of these conversations but may post it even though I'm not yet sure what you are teaching. Perhaps I'm meant to. There is some reason we're both involved in similar studies.

I'm still hoping for an explanation on 594.

Aha, you had to go and ask the 594 million dollar question..
Take a look at Daniel chapter....


Daniel 2:28 (King James Version)


²⁸But there is a God in heaven that revealeth secrets, and maketh known to the king Nebuchadnezzar what shall be in the latter days. Thy dream, and the visions of thy head upon thy bed, are these;

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Gotta love a mystery......check this out too!

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Daniel 2:31-36 (King James Version)


³¹Thou, O king, sawest, and behold a great image. This great image, whose brightness was excellent, stood before thee; and the form thereof was terrible.

³²This image's head was of fine gold, his breast and his arms of silver, his belly and his thighs of brass,

³³His legs of iron, his feet part of iron and part of clay.

³⁴Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.

³⁵Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.

³⁶This is the dream; and we will tell the interpretation thereof before the king.

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Now our Father was letting it be known that there would be future kingdoms, and basically He was in control.......Now if you look at these kingdoms, the head of Gold was Babylon, or Nebs kingdom. Silver would be Media Persia, Brass would be Grecia, but what of Iron?


The next kingdom in the sequence with a view concerning Jerusalem would be Rome.

Let's look at Rome first. From the battle of Actium ( 31bc ) to the Mohammedan possession in AD 636, Rome had possession of Jerusalem for 666 years. ( there is only one year from 1BC to 1 AD). Now unless there is new info about the timing of the transference from Babylon to Media persia we might not so that event clearly. But that might not matter because The beginning of the head of gold is known with old Neb.. What some scholars or chronologists say is that there was a 594 year gap between the beginning of the head of gold and the end of the thighs of brass. Think about this, so far we see the Saros, or the sun and moon cycles of eclipses mirrored in the kingdoms so far!


Remember Daniel called this a great Image, hmmm image, where else have I seen that?


Oh here........


Revelation 15
¹And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.

²And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.





You see, there may be more to this!




Irish

[whirlwind]

Irish, on 10 March 2010 - 04:29 PM, said:

Aha, you had to go and ask the 594 million dollar question..

You see, there may be more to this!


Irish

Dear Irish....I'm old.... Please make this easier to comprehend.

It is very interesting...and I have never heard...that Rome had possession of Jerusalem for 666 years!

I see the cycle in the numbers you are telling us of but....what is the point you're making? From 636 to the next 1260 cycle would be 1896. Did something happen that year? What is the "more to this?"

[Irish]

whirlwind, on 11 March 2010 - 12:19 PM, said:

Dear Irish....I'm old.... Please make this easier to comprehend.

It is very interesting...and I have never heard...that Rome had possession of Jerusalem for 666 years!

I see the cycle in the numbers you are telling us of but....what is the point you're making? From 636 to the next 1260 cycle would be 1896. Did something happen that year? What is the "more to this?"

I did a study on this a couple of years ago, I'll see if I can find it. The 1260 is kind of a story or a type that puts together the piece in the end days. Those who stand on the sea of glass in Revelation 15 that have gained victory over the beast, image, mark and number will have been instructed into these thoughts. Suffice it to say for now that isn't it interesting that the first four kingdoms (out of 7) mentioned here in Daniel have these numbers attached to them. There was a time when certain offerings where put in abeyance. There is a time however that the clock that stopped on that subject will again start ticking. Then we will see the accumulation of all these members coming together. One other thing I can give you today is that as we met each new kingdom, Babylon...Media/Persia,....Grecia,......we met with a devolution in governments. In Babylon the king had absolute power, until we get to Grecia where royalty wasn't even required. ( ring a bell? ). If I could make this attempt, you notice we have 1260 years connected with the sun/moon and with the first four kingdoms, then somehow we move to 1260 days of the end times ( kind of similar),.... then we move to 3-1/2 days of the two witnesses. It is kind of like we start out with a telescope, and focus into the point of using a microscope. You have a similar occurrence with the two anointed ones in Zechariah 4, they start out being the olive trees, and end up being the olive branches, what happened there? You came in closer so you could see them better,.....kind of like the microscope. So we know this; concerning the good and bad, the closer we get to the main event the more specific the knowledge will be concerning both for those with eyes to see.

Irish