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Where Does Your Soul Go The Instant You Die?

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So I have been told that the second you die your soul enters a "eternal sleep" and when "judgement day" comes when everyone gets judged that that's when your soul will be woken up. The reason I use sleep is that it will feel instantaneous once we die to us but since God opperates outside of time everyone will be judged at once.
I learned of this idea when listening to my pastor disprove the 32 minutes in heaven book. I am just curious to find other peoples oppions on this subject. Thanks
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The answer is found in Ecclesiastes 12. There isn't a "holding place," purgatory, or whatever. When someone dies, they go straight to the Father. It's difficult for us to understand, but time doesn't exist for God and it doesn't outside of this world. For proof of this concept of a lack of time, look at Revelation when John is taken to the Lord's day which is even now yet future.
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What Hammerstone said.............. This is a old question............ Off to God you go............ If you know Jesus. Keep in mind the Soul and Spirit are separate. Our bodies will be put back together, and resurrected. I assume we wait on those to show up.

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The flesh and bones go into the grave and the soul (and personality) go to be with the Lord. We are not told the exact mechanics of how that works but we trust The Lord has it all figured out. As far as the time aspect , you are probably right it is in an eternal dimension where time as we know it does not exist.

Actually if you go deep into physics , and compare a few bible hints on the subject , TIME (as we know it) only exists to us and our immediate universe . Time seems like a big deal to us but to the Lord it is as nothing.

There is a verse in Hebrews somewhere , maybe chapter 12 that references the souls of the righteous are surrounded by thousands upon thousands of Angels in joyful assembly.


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I used to be quite firm on the above opinion that when a believer dies they go to sleep and that everyone is judged at the same time. Now though I'm not so sure. Whilst i don't believe in purgatory outright i do believe there must be some sort of clensing. I'll admit I wish there was a Purgaoory because it is not for ever and is only for believers. Human beings are riddled with sin and sin cannot enter Heven. It is believe in Jesus Christ that allows the soul of the deceased to be purged from sin. If they arenot a believer then they'd just go straight to hell. Liek I said I find it hard to believe in Purgatory, but likewise I now find it hard to believe that we jsut wake up on judgement day. what about Sheol, this is supposed to be a holding area for the dead before the last judgement.

Here is another questions: Lets just say there is a purgatory, would a soul go there before or after the last judgement since all souls who go to Pyurgatory are on their way to heaven anyway.
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Well I do not believe in purgatory. The thing that gets me is that if we die and go to heaven that instant then is there a day where everyone is judged at once? And if so does anyone have a idea where that is?
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First, you will have a better time with this if you keep in mind that we don't die. We have eternal life (In God) as soon as Jesus is our Lord. We just Leave our earth suite (Body) and go to be with God. Why, because we belong to God. Your salvation is already taken care of.

In Rev 20:11- We see all the dead of the earth, great and small stand before God. It just says the "DEAD" (Rev 20:12) where present. This is not talking about us, but those that did not know Jesus, because they have not heard, or Jesus was not around yet. We are alive in Christ Jesus, and the hand written things against us have already been blotted out at this time.

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

So, you will not be at this Judgment. This is a judgment that determines if you make it or not, and we already made it.
We do have a judgment though, but it's for reward.

2Co 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

The Question here will be, did you do What I called you to do while on earth. Did you finish the race, did you complete your course.

God is not judging the World Today, as some think. Sin will run it's course, and Satan will continue to destroy those that give him a place to do so. Some confuse giving place to the devil, with God judging someone. I am talking about the World, for we have a Judge, the head of the Church, that corrects, and cares for us. The World has not God, and no hope without God. Jesus said I am not judging the World, though we will face Jesus and give account latter. For the rest of the World that does not obey the Word, Jesus said there is one that will judge him at the appointed day. It would seem this judgment will be based on if you received Jesus Or not. Did you reject His Words?

Joh 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Joh 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.


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1) Everyone, 100% of humanity, are judged at the White Thrown judgment. Good, bad, ugly, everyone. For some the judgment will be the second death (death of the soul), for others the judgment will be reward.
2) Temp, Christ’s death on the cross is good enough to pay for all sin.
3) Once we die our flesh body (corruptible) returns to dust, never to be used again. It does not come up out of the dust. It is not needed any more. When we die we put back on our spiritual bodies, the incorruptible body.
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Of course Christ's death pays for our sins. I am aware of that. Afterall it is the bais of my faith, but that doesn't mean we can jsut go out and do whatever we want. All purgatory is is the means by which are sins are purged before we can enter heaven, but this is not possible without faith in Christ Jesus. What Jesus did for us allows us to go through Purgatory and come out in the Church triumphant. Without faith in Jesus there is just Hell, there can be no hope for salvation. Remember, I'm not a Roman Catholic but i do think Purgatory makes sense, even John Wesley did. It makes sense because it tells us that the soul goes on after dath and what it didn't get right in life it has another chance to in death. Also, what about Sheol which is a holding pen for those who await judgement. In Sheol depending on what kind of live a person leads determines wether they are punnished or rewarded. If a person has led a wicked lief but is repentant they serve out their punnishment and are allowed into Heaven at the alst judgement. Purgatory is not strictly Biblical I know, like many Catholic beliefs. This is because they often come through books which didn't make it into the bible like the Gospel of Nicademus and the Aapocolypse of Peter.
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Of course Christ's death pays for our sins. I am aware of that. Afterall it is the bais of my faith, but that doesn't mean we can jsut go out and do whatever we want. All purgatory is is the means by which are sins are purged before we can enter heaven, but this is not possible without faith in Christ Jesus. What Jesus did for us allows us to go through Purgatory and come out in the Church triumphant. Without faith in Jesus there is just Hell, there can be no hope for salvation. Remember, I'm not a Roman Catholic but i do think Purgatory makes sense, even John Wesley did. It makes sense because it tells us that the soul goes on after dath and what it didn't get right in life it has another chance to in death. Also, what about Sheol which is a holding pen for those who await judgement. In Sheol depending on what kind of live a person leads determines wether they are punnished or rewarded. If a person has led a wicked lief but is repentant they serve out their punnishment and are allowed into Heaven at the alst judgement. Purgatory is not strictly Biblical I know, like many Catholic beliefs. This is because they often come through books which didn't make it into the bible like the Gospel of Nicademus and the Aapocolypse of Peter.


Proverbs 27:20
Hell and destruction are never full; so the eyes of man are never satisfied.

never full of what?
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I'm sorry, how does that statemtn from Proverbs contribute to the discussion?
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The flesh and bones go into the grave and the soul (and personality) go to be with the Lord.

We are not told the exact mechanics of how that works but we trust The Lord has it all figured out. As far as the time aspect , you are probably right it is in an eternal dimension where time as we know it does not exist.

Actually if you go deep into physics , and compare a few bible hints on the subject , TIME (as we know it) only exists to us and our immediate universe . Time seems like a big deal to us but to the Lord it is as nothing.

There is a verse in Hebrews somewhere , maybe chapter 12 that references the souls of the righteous are surrounded by thousands upon thousands of Angels in joyful assembly.


Martin W.



Because the soul has been traditionally considered to be the seat of
immortality in virtually every religion, the role and function of man's
spirit has been largely unknown. This has caused religions to venerate
the soul, as if it were both immortal and capable of bringing men to
perfection. The Greeks believed that the soul was spiritual, whereas
the Hebrew scriptures tell us that the soul is connected to the flesh,
rather than to the spirit.

Thus, the law says in Lev. 17:11, “the life [nephesh, ‘soul'] of the flesh
is in the blood.” Another way of putting it is this: “the fleshly soul is in
the blood.”

This law gives us the prohibition against drinking blood on the
grounds that it is the residence of the soul. When Adam sinned,
his soul was condemned to death, for we read in Ezekiel 18:4 says,

4 “The soul who sins will die.”

In other words, the soul is the focal point of the problem of sin. The
soul is the natural mind, or carnal mind, which we received as part
of our inheritance from Adam. It is thus also the seat of death, or
mortality.

There is no such thing as an immortal soul, at least not this side of
the glory that is to come. Such a term is never used in the Bible, but
is a theological and popular term borrowed from various religions.

The entire sacrificial system is based upon the practice of pouring
out the blood upon the ground, rather than drinking it. Pouring out
the blood is the same as pouring out one's soul, for when Isaiah
prophesies of Jesus' great sacrifice on the cross, he says in Isaiah
53:12, “ because He has poured out his soul [nephesh] unto death.”
This alluded to the fact that the priest was to pour out the blood of
the sacrifice upon the ground and cover it with dirt (Lev. 17:13).

Thus, Isaiah 53 makes it clear that the Messiah was to be a Sacrifice
for sin and is connected to the sacrificial animals in the law of Moses.
The soul of the animal was sacrificed for the souls of men, for Lev.
17:11 says, “I have given it [the blood] to you on the altar to make
atonement for your souls.”


Insofar as immortality is concerned, the human spirit is the only
seat of immortality, for it is never said to die, but to “return to God”
(Eccl. 12:7). So also when Jesus died, He said, “Father, into Thy
hands I commend My spirit”
(Luke 23:46), and yet His soul went
to hades, for we read in Acts 2:27, “Thou wilt not leave My soul in
hades.”


I do not want to engage in a full discussion here on the state of the
dead, but I do want to make the point that the seat of immortality is
not the soul, but the spirit. The soul is connected to the flesh and
is therefore “carnal,” or “fleshly.” The penalty for sin called for the
death of the soul, and the sacrificial system manifested that
principle by pouring out the blood and covering it with dust.

The spirit has a mind, just as the soul has a mind. They each have
their own consciousness, capable of thought. When a man dies
on the operating table and floats above himself, watching the
doctors attempting to revive him, it is not the soul's mind that is
watching this procedure. It is the spiritual mind. The soul's mind
dies with the brain, because it is “fleshly,” and is therefore brain-
dependent.

When we speak of “the real you,” we can mean either of two
possibilities. You are either the person who is descended from
Adam, which is the “old man” (Rom. 6:6), or you can identify with
the new Man, which is Christ, the last Adam. By faith in Christ, the
Holy Spirit comes into our Most Holy Place, which is our human
spirit. This creates a new creature, a new man, the Manchild, or
Christ in you, the Hope of Glory.

In essence, the soul is attached to the body which came from
the dust and will return to the dust with the body or flesh. At the
Great White Throne... it will be raised in it's mortal state to be
judged and experience the Passover for the first time. Gen. 2:7,

7 Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground,
and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man
became a living being ( soul ).


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the topic is "where does one go when they die". someone said not to heave nor hell, so i ask if nobody goes to hell, then why does the scripyure say that hell is never full?
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the topic is "where does one go when they die". someone said not to heave nor hell, so i ask if nobody goes to hell, then why does the scripyure say that hell is never full?



Look it up for yourself. You do have a Bible and Concordance don't you?
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2Ti 2:15  Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

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why are you guys so hostile toward me? im just trying to get in on the discussions.
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Logabe

This following passage does not appear to be in harmony with your above post. Thanks.

You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly, to the church of the firstborn, whose names are written in heaven. You have come to God, the judge of all men, to the spirits of righteous men made perfect, to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.

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Logabe

This following passage does not appear to be in harmony with your above post. Thanks.

You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly, to the church of the firstborn, whose names are written in heaven. You have come to God, the judge of all men,

to the spirits of righteous men made perfect,

to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.

Martin W.



Martin, I'm not sure what your question is... but I will comment
on what you are saying when you give me a little more detail.

Let me go deeper into the last post I made so the readers can
understand the purpose of the blood.

The blood was to be poured out upon the ground as atonement
for our souls (Lev. 17:13). In pouring out the blood, it was said
that the SOUL was poured out. This is what Jesus did at the
Cross, for we read in Isaiah 53:12, “ He has poured out His soul
unto death.” It was done by means of the blood that was poured
out upon the ground at the Cross.

To pour the blood of any sacrifice upon the ground (including the
Sacrifice of Christ) was an act of giving. Christ did this in
accordance with the law, which said that the blood was to be
used to atone for our souls.

One might ask WHY blood was to be poured out upon the ground.
The answer goes back to Genesis 3 when Adam and Eve first
sinned. Verse 17 gives us part of God's verdict upon them for their
sin: “ Cursed is the ground because of you ” or for your sake.
The ground was actually given responsibility for Adam's sin. In the
law, when a man takes responsibility for the sin (debt) of another,
he is, called a redeemer. In the laws of redemption, the redeemer
pays the debt and purchases the debtor. The debtor is not set free,
but merely changes masters (Lev. 25:53).

Jesus' redemption work came in the New Testament, but the
principle of redemption has been with us from the beginning.
The same law of redemption is apparent in Gen. 3:17 when God
made the ground liable for Adam's sin. Essentially, the ground
was Adam's first redeemer. Adam became enslaved to the
ground as a result of this redemption. The ground had the right
of redemption, because Adam was made from the dust of the
ground and was therefore a near kinsman (Lev. 25:49). But the
ground proved to be a hard task master.

The ground owned Adam, and its rights were specified in the
law of redemption. For this reason, Adam had to work for the
ground by the sweat of his brow (Gen. 3:19) for his entire life
time, until the ground reclaimed him (that is, his soul) at death.

Adam's entire estate was sold to pay for his sin (Matt. 18:25).
Adam's estate was all of creation, including the animals. For
this reason, when animals were killed for food or for sacrifice,
their blood was to be given to the ground, as the law says. The
reason was because even the animals had been sold to the
ground for Adam's sake in Gen. 3:17. Their souls belonged to
the earth by right of redemption.

Jesus then came as a near Kinsman to purchase all who had
been sold to the ground through Adam's sin, including the
entire estate—CREATION. The same law that sold us to the
ground was the basis of our redemption in Christ.

Meanwhile, the souls of the martyrs, the persecuted ones, cry
out from under the altar, as we read in Rev. 6:9, 10,

9 And when He broke the fifth seal, I saw underneath
the altar the souls of those who had been slain because
of the word of God, and because of the testimony which
they had maintained,
10 and they cried out with a loud voice, saying, “How
long, O Lord, holy and true, wilt Thou refrain from
judging and avenging our blood on those who dwell
on the earth?”


First of all, these souls are identified as martyrs, who are
pictured as having been sacrificed to God. In the temple,
the blood of the sacrifices were to be poured out upon the
ground under the altar in fulfillment of the law of blood in
Leviticus 17.

Secondly, John identifies these as “souls,” not as spirits,
because the soul is in the blood. It is a word picture that
expresses the law found in Leviticus 17.

The first martyr, of course, was Abel, whom Cain killed in
Genesis 4. At that time, God spoke to Cain saying in Gen.
4:10, “the voice of your brother's blood is crying to Me
from the ground.”
Hebrews 11:4,

4 “through faith, though he is dead, he still speaks.”

In the crucifixion of Jesus, the Lamb of God, those priests
who crucified Him did not apply His blood to the altars of
their hearts by faith. To do so would have atoned for their
souls. But they did not have faith that the blood of Jesus
would do anything for their souls. For this reason, the law
says that they are guilty of bloodshed and murder (Matt.
22:7). Yet those who accepted Him as the Sacrifice for sin
are NOT guilty, for the blood of the Sacrifice has atoned for
all their sins and has made peace with God.


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It would be sie to give up because of the damage it does. There is no reason why a Christian smoker is any different anyone else.
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So I have been told that the second you die your soul enters a "eternal sleep" and when "judgement day" comes when everyone gets judged that that's when your soul will be woken up. The reason I use sleep is that it will feel instantaneous once we die to us but since God opperates outside of time everyone will be judged at once.
I learned of this idea when listening to my pastor disprove the 32 minutes in heaven book. I am just curious to find other peoples oppions on this subject. Thanks

Lots of ideas here in response to your question, I love it. God's people on fire...
Question: Where was it before the soul came into existence? The first reference, in Genesis, was man was made from dirt, and after Elohim breathed the breath of life into Adam, then he became a living soul. Not before. First there was dirt, then there was breath from God, then there became a soul. It wasn't there before that, and until the breath of life was infused, it did not exist. Pretty clear here. The spirit gives life. He, the Christ, is a life-giving Spirit. God the Father is the Father of spirits, true? It the body returns to dust, the spirit returns to God from whence it came, it kinda seems obvious that without the both of them working together, spirit and body, the soul just don't have no place to go. Except back to where it was before Genesis. The soul wouldn't have much to say or do without a body. And a body don't move much without a spirit to animate it. God's not the Father of souls, He is the Father of spirits. Can't get around without a body, transfiqured, transformed, corruptible or not. No body, no soul. No spirit and body, no soul. Missing one part, you can't have the others.

When we're raised out from among the dead, and corruptible puts on incorruption, we will have our bodies back, albeit radically changed. Then our souls will be no more. What need? Heaven knows not air, wind and fire. It is useless to have a soul in a place that is beyond physical perception, where the soul was first created and employed. Touch, taste, hearing, smelling will be a thing of the past and something Israel and the rest of the nations will need for a thousand years. Not us. Not where we're going to be. fivesense
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Now fivesense...............Someone just corrected what I said about the body being resurrected, then you go say it again.

When we're raised out from among the dead, and corruptible puts on incorruption, we will have our bodies back, albeit radically changed.


JerryJohnson said that.

3) Once we die our flesh body (corruptible) returns to dust, never to be used again. It does not come up out of the dust.


So, which one is it??? Resurrection or no resurrection.

It can't be both.

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Now fivesense...............Someone just corrected what I said about the body being resurrected, then you go say it again.



JerryJohnson said that.



So, which one is it??? Resurrection or no resurrection.

It can't be both.

Jesus Is Lord

Did I miss something? Is the resurrection past already, and I erred?But shun profane [and] vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. 2Ti 2:16-18

Kinda hard to be resurrected without a body to resurrect, isn't it? I lean more towards the word on this one, that the dead are just that, dead. Whether its David, or Peter or Paul, saint or sinner, they're all dead and buried til the resurrection. Otherwise ya hafta join the Hymenaeus/Philetus Theological Consortium and get your reward for what you teach.
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I'll stick with the Word, And is case God has a sense of humor (He does) I am going to loose weight. Don't want them telling me they don't have those white robes in my size.


Good post Fivesense!!!!!! :D
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Mike, I will attempt to help you understand this:


Now fivesense...............Someone just corrected what I said about the body being resurrected, then you go say it again.



When we're raised out from among the dead, and corruptible puts on incorruption, we will have our bodies back, albeit radically changed.


JerryJohnson said that
3) Once we die our flesh body (corruptible) returns to dust, never to be used again. It does not come up out of the dust. It is not needed any more. When we die we put back on our spiritual bodies, the incorruptible body.


So, which one is it??? Resurrection or no resurrection.

It can't be both.

Jesus Is Lord


It is not a question of "Resurrection or no resurrection." The questions are more; what and when?


1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible(G5349) must put on incorruption (G861), and this mortal (G2349) must put on immortality (G610).
1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
1Co 15:55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
1Co 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
1Co 15:57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

G5349
φθαρτός
phthartos
fthar-tos'
From G5351; decayed, that is, (by implication) perishable: - corruptible.

G861
ἀφθαρσία
aphtharsia
af-thar-see'-ah
From G862; incorruptibility; generally unending existence; (figuratively) genuineness: - immortality, incorruption, sincerity.

G862
ἄφθαρτος
aphthartos
af'-thar-tos
From G1 (as a negative particle) and a derivative of G5351; undecaying (in essence or continuance): - not (in-, un-) corruptible, immortal.


G2349
θνητός
thnētos
thnay-tos'
From G2348; liable to die: - mortal (-ity).

G110
ἀθανασία
athanasia
ath-an-as-ee'-ah
From a compound of G1 (as a negative particle) and G2288; deathlessness: - immortality.


Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body (this is the flesh body), but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.


I am saying that when we die we immediately put our spiritual body back on and return to the Father. (Remember, we are made in the image of God, we have three parts.) That is the body we had before we entered the womb and were born into these flesh bodies. Our flesh bodies were never meant to last forever, they are corruptible. It is the difference between corruptible and incorruption.

If fivesense is saying that these flesh bodies come out of the ground in any way, I disagree. If he is saying the body we will have is a spiritual body, not flesh, we are saying a very similar thing, fs' timing is just off
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1Th 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.


1Co 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

This is what my Bible says..............................

Our body is not our own, and just as important as the spirit and soul. Our body was bought and paid for with a price.





1Co 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.
1Co 15:35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
1Co 15:36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
1Co 15:37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
1Co 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.


Every Body is planted like a seed, and everyone has his own seed God uses for the new body.

1Co 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.


Our image of the earthly, shall also bear the image of Heaven, and this mortal Puts on the immortal. So what used to be mortal, becomes immortal. Our spirit is already immortal, our soul is immortal, already, so we must be talking about this seed, or our body.

However, This was good enough for me.................. No need to look up all that Greek.

Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted (As a seed) together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

Now when Jesus came back, the hole they put in his hand was still there. SAME BODY!!!!!! We are also told that we are going to be in the same likeness of His resurrection. SAME BODY.

I hope I have helped you figure this out JerryJohnson.

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1Th 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.


1Co 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

This is what my Bible says..............................

Our body is not our own, and just as important as the spirit and soul. Our body was bought and paid for with a price.





1Co 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.
1Co 15:35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
1Co 15:36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
1Co 15:37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
1Co 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.


Every Body is planted like a seed, and everyone has his own seed God uses for the new body.

1Co 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.


Our image of the earthly, shall also bear the image of Heaven, and this mortal Puts on the immortal. So what used to be mortal, becomes immortal. Our spirit is already immortal, our soul is immortal, already, so we must be talking about this seed, or our body.

However, This was good enough for me.................. No need to look up all that Greek.

Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted (As a seed) together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

Now when Jesus came back, the hole they put in his hand was still there. SAME BODY!!!!!! We are also told that we are going to be in the same likeness of His resurrection. SAME BODY.

I hope I have helped you figure this out JerryJohnson.

Be Blessed.

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So you think Christ's resurrected body was flesh, is that right. 1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Oh well!
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No, I did not say that............................The Scripture I gave does not say that. All I was saying is that Where your body is at is important to God. Your body does matter as that is the seed that will be used for the resurrection. You get your body back, but changed, just as Jesus did.

So, you will look very similar in Heaven like you do now. People that you know, will know you, and you them.

Please also note that on a forum setting, it's possible to come close on agreeing with someone, or even agree completely but not realize it after several post. A lot of times we are beating the same drum but don't even realize it.

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No, I did not say that............................The Scripture I gave does not say that. All I was saying is that Where your body is at is important to God. Your body does matter as that is the seed that will be used for the resurrection. You get your body back, but changed, just as Jesus did.

So, you will look very similar in Heaven like you do now. People that you know, will know you, and you them.

Please also note that on a forum setting, it's possible to come close on agreeing with someone, or even agree completely but not realize it after several post. A lot of times we are beating the same drum but don't even realize it.

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OK, SO IF YOU ARE MALE NOW, you'll be a male in heaven?

my bible says that in heaven you are neither male nor female.
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Wafuwasi, welcome here, btw.

I am speechless at what I've read above.

My answer pure and simple is I don't know.

But, if I wanted to get an idea I personally would go to the horses mouth.
To people - many people who have been declared medically, clinically dead - children
and adults from suicides to car accidents - and see what they have said.

You can, of course, decide it's all hooey ---but it sure makes more sense then the stuff above I've read.

If you're scared to read anything but the Bible and really have a burning to know still,
my advice is die and see and don't listen to anybody who hasn't been there.

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Wafuwasi, welcome here, btw.

I am speechless at what I've read above.

My answer pure and simple is I don't know.

But, if I wanted to get an idea I personally would go to the horses mouth.
To people - many people who have been declared medically, clinically dead - children
and adults from suicides to car accidents - and see what they have said.

You can, of course, decide it's all hooey ---but it sure makes more sense then the stuff above I've read.

If you're scared to read anything but the Bible and really have a burning to know still,
my advice is die and see and don't listen to anybody who hasn't been there.

:) Miss Hepburn


Everyone's flesh body will die, even those that are here to hear the last trumpet. Their flesh body falls off and we meet Christ in our incorruptible bodies.
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Sniper 762 ??????? You jumping on JerryJohnson view?? Sort of a Surprise to come out of Nowhere like that.

First I don't fully understand the position We are taking here. I am saying our old dead body is as a seed and Resurrected back as a new body. To Resurrect something means to bring back. I gave scripture that we are to be like Jesus own Resurrection. He came back in his Glorified body.

Now we have a new thing. There are no Males or Females in Heaven, Your bible says that.

my bible says that in heaven you are neither male nor female.


I don't know of any scripture that states that. If you have it, please share.

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.


This is as close as I can find, but it's not talking about there not being any gender in Heaven. It's saying we that are in Christ are all Abraham's seed, and have a right to all the promises given to Abraham. It starts the moment you accept Jesus. Look at the above scripture.

Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.


Are there female Christians? of course. So, this is the only scripture I could find...

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