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Books That Didn't Make It Into The Bible

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Before I pose the question please understand that like you I adhere to the 66 canonical books of the Old and New testament as well as to a lesser degree the other 7 books known as the Apocrypha, which are not as authoritative as the 66, I often wonder about eh books that were rejected. In this I understand that it was the work of the Holy Spirit to cause Jerome and his team to compile those books which best conveyed the Lord's message, but what of the others? Is there ay wisdom which Orthodox (and by that i mean mainstream, not Eastern orthodox) Christianity can benefit from. I ahve found much enlightenning knowledge in the Gospels of Nicodemus and of Bartholomex, as well as the Apocolypse of Peter and the Life of Adam and Eve, but i don't really know what to think of it because I find it hard to just dismiss it especially where it fills in gaps.

So what I'd like to know is, is there anything that Chrsitians today, be they evangelical, charismatic or sacramental can learn from such works or are we to simply regard them as heretical?


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I know this can be ataboo subject amongst Envangelicals, but surely someone hs something to offer.
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Just read your post ---I have all the "gospels" that were not included - Lost? No, Tossed! - so little time so much to read.
I could care less what anyone thinks that we should not read them or believe them. Then they don't have to.
1st c-3rd c and the 10thc - 14thc were nuts and unstable - power struggles galore.

Man can not be trusted - the political times then caused much to not be included.
I love and experience the Holy Spirit. But can anyone back then be trusted?
Emperor Justinian was a nut, changing the Bible all over the place.

I trust the Holy Spirit - I don't men, especially not back then.".what will the peasants understand...oh, let's
pull in the pagan masses so we'll have Easter, Christmas on their familar feast days"....you know.
Oh, and then let's not forget - these folks don't believe the same as we do - they're picking herbs, uh-oh-" So let's send in the
soldiers to slaughter their entire villages Yes, glory to the Pope! All for the Church!"

Now, I'm anxious to read Nicodemus as you mentioned.
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You'e made a fair point. At the time the Church needed to have unity and did its best to keep things together. That is why we get the creeds and of course the 66 book canon. I know that there were tiems when the Church had to make some really tough decisions as to what to allow in and I trust that the 66 books we havee arre the right ones, but that doesn't mean that in this modern day and age I cannot pick upone of theseother texts. remember this is an age where heresy doesn't really exist and if you are excommunicated from oen church you can always join another.

I look upon things like the Life of Adam and Eve or the Book of Enoch as retellings that flesh things out a bit more, not as scripture and find them interesting
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God created this world; He can take care of His Word. He is the Word!
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2Ti 2:15  Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Is the Rapture Biblical? Could Christ return at any moment? Who will be left behind?

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I believ that but can you elaborate just a little because I don't know why you've said that or what you mean by it. I'm guessing that what your saying is that the 66 books were compiled because God selected them and because it was not God's will for the others to make it, they neede to be destroyed. Is that what you mean?
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TEMPLAR, I have studied the origins of the bibles ( some way before the kjv), the apocrypha and many of the "agnostic" writings.
my personal view of them is that they have just as much truth to them as do the ones authorized by king james. i never saw where king james was ever even mentioned as beng a "representative" of god, so i ask, "how does he take presidence over everyone else"?
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I believ that but can you elaborate just a little because I don't know why you've said that or what you mean by it. I'm guessing that what your saying is that the 66 books were compiled because God selected them and because it was not God's will for the others to make it, they neede to be destroyed. Is that what you mean?



I meant: God can take care of His Word. He has always had a remnant in place to protect it and keep it true.
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2Ti 2:15  Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Is the Rapture Biblical? Could Christ return at any moment? Who will be left behind?

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I was under the impression that most evangelicals saw the 66 canonical books of the Old and new Testament as sacresanct and stuck to them to the letter. The Apocrypha which makes up the other 7 books came in as part of the counter reformation at the council of Trent, though they had been used since the very early days and were never deemed heretical. Maccobiees in aprticular was popular when the Crusades were preached.
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Either you believe God had a hand in ensuring that the Bible is his inspired word, or not.

Either everything you need to follow Jesus the way He desires is in there, or not.

If not, then what's the point?
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Either you believe God had a hand in ensuring that the Bible is his inspired word, or not.

Either everything you need to follow Jesus the way He desires is in there, or not.

If not, then what's the point?



I agree!
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things are not so absolute.
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things are not so absolute.



Oh! :rolleyes:
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things are not so absolute.


Actually, they are:

"Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."
- John 14:6
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tell that to a jew, a hindu, or a budhist or millions of other humans who are all children of god.
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Yes they are. That's why God died for them, too.

All they have to do is follow Him and make Him their Lord.

If that point is lost on you then I'm glad you're here.
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tell that to a jew, a hindu, or a budhist or millions of other humans who are all children of god.



Christ all ready told them.
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just to let you all know, i have been a christian for many years, baptised, confessed my sincere belief in jesus as the son of god and my redeemer, saved (born again by some's account) and a believer in the kjv
(with my interpretations of the word). my overall religious view is far from that of orthodox christians. i mostly relate my beliefs to be similar to the theistic evolutionists.

my study of these books that didnt make it into the bible is extensive and my belief in their devinity is that they are complimentary to my bible.
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just to let you all know, i have been a christian for many years, baptised, confessed my sincere belief in jesus as the son of god and my redeemer, saved (born again by some's account) and a believer in the kjv
(with my interpretations of the word). my overall religious view is far from that of orthodox christians. i mostly relate my beliefs to be similar to the theistic evolutionists.

my study of these books that didnt make it into the bible is extensive and my belief in their devinity is that they are complimentary to my bible.



So!
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So!


so, that makes me "just" as christian, just as saved, and just as close to god as you or anyone here.
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Thanks Snipes, sorry I didn't get you7r point earlier. I think they can compliment the Bible and I thinkthat even if we don't regard them as canonical in any way we can still find much wisdom in them.

Also foreigner! did our lord not say in John 10:16
And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
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Actually, they are:

"Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."
- John 14:6


I totally agree Jesus is the way to the Father, not the scriptures. Seems so many have their faith founded on the scriptures rather than Jesus the Christ and many have extreme difficulty discerning between the scriptures and the Christ.
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Before I pose the question please understand that like you I adhere to the 66 canonical books of the Old and New testament as well as to a lesser degree the other 7 books known as the Apocrypha, which are not as authoritative as the 66, I often wonder about eh books that were rejected. In this I understand that it was the work of the Holy Spirit to cause Jerome and his team to compile those books which best conveyed the Lord's message, but what of the others? Is there ay wisdom which Orthodox (and by that i mean mainstream, not Eastern orthodox) Christianity can benefit from. I ahve found much enlightenning knowledge in the Gospels of Nicodemus and of Bartholomex, as well as the Apocolypse of Peter and the Life of Adam and Eve, but i don't really know what to think of it because I find it hard to just dismiss it especially where it fills in gaps.

So what I'd like to know is, is there anything that Chrsitians today, be they evangelical, charismatic or sacramental can learn from such works or are we to simply regard them as heretical?





My answer is yes we can learn from many of the deuterocanonical writings. Note that this does not mean they are inerrant but neither is any translation of the canonical writings. Note that there is a difference between the Jewish canon and the Christian canon.

Here is a list of some writings that are not considered canon.


These are mostly Jewish writings;
1 EsdrasWisdom of SolomonSusanna2 EsdrasWisdom of Jesus Son of SirachBel and the DragonTobitBaruchPrayer of ManassehJudithLetter of Jeremiah1 MaccabeesAdditions to EstherPrayer of Azariah2 Maccabees
Apocalypse of AbrahamEupolemus3 MaccabeesTestament of AbrahamPseudo-Eupolemus4 MaccabeesApocalypse of AdamApocryphon of Ezekiel5 MaccabeesTestament of AdamEzekiel the TragedianSyriac MenanderLife of Adam and EveGreek Apocalypse of EzraTestament of MosesAhiqarQuestions of EzraBook of NoahLetter of AristeasRevelation of EzraOrphicaAristeas the ExegeteVision of EzraPhilo the Epic PoetAristobulusFragments of Pseudo-Greek PoetsPseudo-PhiloArtapanusPseudo-HecataeusPseudo-Phocylides2 BaruchHellenistic Synagogal PrayersThe Lives of the Prophets3 BaruchTestament of IsaacHistory of the Rechabites4 BaruchMartyrdom and Ascension of IsaiahApocalypse of SedrachCleodemus MalchusLadder of JacobTreatise of ShemApocalypse of DanielPrayer of JacobSibylline OraclesMore Psalms of DavidTestament of JacobOdes of SolomonDemetrius the ChronographerJannes and JambresPsalms of SolomonEldad and ModadTestament of JobTestament of SolomonApocalypse of ElijahJoseph and AsenethThallus1 EnochHistory of JosephTheodotus2 EnochPrayer of JosephTestaments of the Twelve Patriarchs3 EnochJubileesApocalypse of Zephaniah



These are mostly Christian writings;

30-60Passion Narrative40-80Lost Sayings Gospel Q50-601 Thessalonians50-60Philippians50-60Galatians50-601 Corinthians50-602 Corinthians50-60Romans50-60Philemon50-80Colossians50-90Signs Gospel50-95Book of Hebrews50-120Didache50-140Gospel of Thomas50-140Oxyrhynchus 1224 Gospel50-200Sophia of Jesus Christ65-80Gospel of Mark70-100Epistle of James70-120Egerton Gospel70-160Gospel of Peter70-160Secret Mark70-200Fayyum Fragment70-200Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs73-200Mara Bar Serapion80-1002 Thessalonians80-100Ephesians80-100Gospel of Matthew80-1101 Peter80-120Epistle of Barnabas80-130Gospel of Luke80-130Acts of the Apostles80-1401 Clement80-150Gospel of the Egyptians80-150Gospel of the Hebrews80-250Christian Sibyllines90-95Apocalypse of John90-120Gospel of John90-1201 John90-1202 John90-1203 John90-120Epistle of Jude93Flavius Josephus100-1501 Timothy100-1502 Timothy100-150Titus100-150Apocalypse of Peter100-150Secret Book of James100-150Preaching of Peter100-160Gospel of the Ebionites100-160Gospel of the Nazoreans100-160Shepherd of Hermas100-1602 Peter100-200Odes of Solomon101-220Book of Elchasai105-115Ignatius of Antioch110-140Polycarp to the Philippians110-140Papias110-160Oxyrhynchus 840 Gospel110-160Traditions of Matthias111-112Pliny the Younger115Suetonius115Tacitus120-130Quadratus of Athens120-130Apology of Aristides120-140Basilides120-140Naassene Fragment120-160Valentinus120-180Apocryphon of John120-180Gospel of Mary120-180Dialogue of the Savior120-180Gospel of the Savior120-1802nd Apocalypse of James120-180Trimorphic Protennoia130-140Marcion130-150Aristo of Pella130-160Epiphanes On Righteousness130-160Ophite Diagrams130-1602 Clement130-170Gospel of Judas130-200Epistle of Mathetes to Diognetus140-150Epistula Apostolorum140-160Ptolemy140-160Isidore140-170Fronto140-170Infancy Gospel of James140-170Infancy Gospel of Thomas140-180Gospel of Truth150-160Martyrdom of Polycarp150-160Justin Martyr150-180Excerpts of Theodotus150-180Heracleon150-200Ascension of Isaiah150-200Acts of Peter150-200Acts of John150-200Acts of Paul150-200Acts of Andrew150-225Acts of Peter and the Twelve150-225Book of Thomas the Contender150-250Fifth and Sixth Books of Esra150-300Authoritative Teaching150-300Coptic Apocalypse of Paul150-300Discourse on the Eighth and Ninth150-300Melchizedek150-400Acts of Pilate150-400Anti-Marcionite Prologues160-170Tatian's Address to the Greeks160-180Claudius Apollinaris160-180Apelles160-180Julius Cassianus160-250Octavius of Minucius Felix161-180Acts of Carpus165-175Melito of Sardis165-175Hegesippus165-175Dionysius of Corinth165-175Lucian of Samosata167Marcus Aurelius170-175Diatessaron170-200Dura-Europos Gospel Harmony170-200Muratorian Canon170-200Treatise on the Resurrection170-220Letter of Peter to Philip175-180Athenagoras of Athens175-185Irenaeus of Lyons175-185Rhodon175-185Theophilus of Caesarea175-190Galen178Celsus178Letter from Vienna and Lyons180Passion of the Scillitan Martyrs180-185Theophilus of Antioch180-185Acts of Apollonius180-220Bardesanes180-220Kerygmata Petrou180-230Hippolytus of Rome180-2501st Apocalypse of James180-250Gospel of Philip182-202Clement of Alexandria185-195Maximus of Jerusalem185-195Polycrates of Ephesus188-217Talmud189-199Victor I190-210Pantaenus193Anonymous Anti-Montanist193-216Inscription of Abercius197-220Tertullian200-210Serapion of Antioch200-210Apollonius200-220Caius200-220Philostratus200-225Acts of Thomas200-250Didascalia200-250Books of Jeu200-300Pistis Sophia200-300Coptic Apocalypse of Peter203Acts of Perpetua and Felicitas203-250Origen






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I think that's very true sniper. I think with some people they worship the Bible when they really should be worshipping God. Being scripturally based is great, even if you don't call yourself an evangelical its good to have a wider perspective. Remember God doesn't live just in the Bible, he is with us all the time. If we loose sight of this then we run the risk of becomin glike the Pharases.
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I think that's very true sniper. I think with some people they worship the Bible when they really should be worshipping God. Being scripturally based is great, even if you don't call yourself an evangelical its good to have a wider perspective. Remember God doesn't live just in the Bible, he is with us all the time. If we loose sight of this then we run the risk of becomin glike the Pharases.


Very true Templar, good post.
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Also foreigner! did our lord not say in John 10:16
And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.



-- He did indeed say this.
And those people He is speaking of must accept that no one will see The Father but through Him, accept Him as their Lord and Savior, follow Him and Him alone, or they will perish.
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Guess that’s the great think about living here. We can read the comic books if we want.
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2Ti 2:15  Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Is the Rapture Biblical? Could Christ return at any moment? Who will be left behind?

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I will defer to the voice of experience on that.
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and WHO would be "the voice of experience" and what does he have to say about this subject?
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That would be Jesus...


"Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."
- John 14:6
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