[bigdummy]

I realize that nakedness is refered to as shame but where and when did it become sin.or is it?, Adam and Eve covered their bodys with leaves and hid from God because in Gen.3:10 they were naked, and even God wanted to know who told them they were naked, I realized that they were unaware that they were naked until they ate fruit they were not supposed to eat but there were only the two of them among a multitude of animals who certainly wore nothing but hair or fur so who could they have compared themself to but the naked animals....in fact who first coined the word naked and then discribed what it ment?

Rom.5"13 states that sin is not imputed when there is no law so does one of the 630 laws given to Moses to pass on to the people refer to nakedness as being a sin?

[jerryjohnson]

bigdummy, on 25 May 2010 - 02:35 PM, said:

I realize that nakedness is refered to as shame but where and when did it become sin.or is it?, Adam and Eve covered their bodys with leaves and hid from God because in Gen.3:10 they were naked, and even God wanted to know who told them they were naked, I realized that they were unaware that they were naked until they ate fruit they were not supposed to eat but there were only the two of them among a multitude of animals who certainly wore nothing but hair or fur so who could they have compared themself to but the naked animals....in fact who first coined the word naked and then discribed what it ment?

Rom.5"13 states that sin is not imputed when there is no law so does one of the 630 laws given to Moses to pass on to the people refer to nakedness as being a sin?

Who made nakednes a sin?

[Templar81]

Nakedness itself isn't a sin but modesty is of course improtant. Nakedness in a cool climate means we get cold and in a hot cimate means we get bunrt. When Adam and Eve realised they were naked they learn't a lot of things taht we now have as common knolwedge. Animals have fur, feathers or scales and humans are naked compared to this so eating the fuirt probably brought it home to them that they were different in that particular way. With regards to common knolwedge it probably made them understand modesty.

[Brother Mike]

I don't think it's a sin in California they have nude beaches, and soon to make dope legal...........

[Selene]

bigdummy, on 25 May 2010 - 02:35 PM, said:

I realize that nakedness is refered to as shame but where and when did it become sin.or is it?, Adam and Eve covered their bodys with leaves and hid from God because in Gen.3:10 they were naked, and even God wanted to know who told them they were naked, I realized that they were unaware that they were naked until they ate fruit they were not supposed to eat but there were only the two of them among a multitude of animals who certainly wore nothing but hair or fur so who could they have compared themself to but the naked animals....in fact who first coined the word naked and then discribed what it ment?

Rom.5"13 states that sin is not imputed when there is no law so does one of the 630 laws given to Moses to pass on to the people refer to nakedness as being a sin?

Nakedness is not a sin and it never was. Before they ate the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, Adam and Eve were naked. At that time, they looked at each other with love. They saw each other as a husband and a wife should - that they are a beautiful gift to each other. They saw how the other was beautiful and as human beings.

After they ate the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, they no longer saw each other in that way. Their eyes were opened (Genesis 3:7) and they now looked at each other with lust rather than with love. Lust was the sin. They saw in the other as an object of desire to fulfill their needs rather than as a human being. Knowing that lust existed in themselves and in the other, they covered themselves and felt shame. Both lust and disobedience were sins that they committed, and it brought them shame.

[Brother Mike]

Here we are a bunch of Christians saying it's ok to run around naked...............Cool, but creepy in a way...........

However, the correct answer was already given......... sort of........

Anything that is not of faith is sin...................

If you would feel embarrassed running round naked, though the law permits, then for you it's sin.

Jesus Is Lord.

[Selene]

Brother Mike, on 25 May 2010 - 07:24 PM, said:

Here we are a bunch of Christians saying it's ok to run around naked...............Cool, but creepy in a way...........

However, the correct answer was already given......... sort of........

Anything that is not of faith is sin...................

If you would feel embarrassed running round naked, though the law permits, then for you it's sin.

Jesus Is Lord.

Hello Brother Mike,

I think you misunderstood. No one here said that it was okay to run around naked. God created man and woman naked and the human body is beautiful and good to God. Therefore, nakedness was never a sin. Because the human body is considered beautiful and good to God, it should be treated with great respect because that is the temple of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit dwell in our bodies; therefore, we clothe our bodies because it is valuable. It should not be viewed in a lustful way, but treated with the dignity of a human being.

In Christ,
Selene

[Brother Mike]

I did say it was creepy......................... You did mention something though that was interesting.......... could we get a group of Christians to run around naked together and not have to deal with that lustful thing? I would like to think so being Christians. If we don't think it's sin, then why not?

You see how weird this gets???

Be blessed in all you do!!!

Jesus Is Lord.

[ronniechoate34]

Brother Mike, on 25 May 2010 - 06:16 PM, said:

I don't think it's a sin in California they have nude beaches, and soon to make dope legal...........

Nudity in a social situation is a sin in almost all instances, even in California.

[jerryjohnson]

ronniechoate34, on 27 May 2010 - 01:10 PM, said:

Nudity in a social situation is a sin in almost all instances, even in California.

Document that in Scripture!

[Selene]

ronniechoate34, on 27 May 2010 - 01:10 PM, said:

Nudity in a social situation is a sin in almost all instances, even in California.

That is not quite true. There are cultures in Africa and in the Pacific islands that were not touched by western civilization that go about nude. Women in the island of Yap, for example, walk around bare-topped in their village, and there is no lust among the men of the villages. The ones who lust or who find it shocking were the visiting westerners who are not used to seeing women go about bare-topped. Sin in not in the skin. It's in the heart of a person.

Matthew 15:18-19 But the things which proceed out of the mouth, come forth from the heart, and those things defile a man. For from the heart, come forth evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false testimonies, blasphemies.

[sniper762]

sorry, brother mike

christian or not

put people of opposite sex naked together and there's going to be lust.......man is only human. only if one is married will there be any restraint (maybe)

[whirlwind]

bigdummy, on 25 May 2010 - 02:35 PM, said:

I realize that nakedness is refered to as shame but where and when did it become sin.or is it?, Adam and Eve covered their bodys with leaves and hid from God because in Gen.3:10 they were naked, and even God wanted to know who told them they were naked, I realized that they were unaware that they were naked until they ate fruit they were not supposed to eat but there were only the two of them among a multitude of animals who certainly wore nothing but hair or fur so who could they have compared themself to but the naked animals....in fact who first coined the word naked and then discribed what it ment?

Rom.5"13 states that sin is not imputed when there is no law so does one of the 630 laws given to Moses to pass on to the people refer to nakedness as being a sin?

To be "naked" is to be without God. Adam and Eve realized their shame and knew....they were naked/without God.

Revelation 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

A young man, a follower of Christ, wore linen (clothing of the saints) yet he forsook Christ and fled...naked, without God.

Mark 14:51-52 And there followed Him a certain young man, having a linen cloth cast about his naked body; and the young men laid hold on him: And he left the linen cloth, and fled from them naked.

The sin? To be without God.

[Christina]

Hi whirl
You are exactly right good post

[whirlwind]

Christina, on 01 June 2010 - 01:35 PM, said:

Hi whirl
You are exactly right good post

Hi Christina.

Thank you...I appreciate your comment. I had to laugh as I thought about nakedness and sin. It sure would be a sin for me to walk around in the nude.

My husband and I grocery shopped yesterday. In front of us, pushing her buggy filled with babies and groceries, was a really heavy young woman wearing a rather tight and way too small top. Her butterfly tattoo was peeking out between her pants and top. My husband, smooth talker that he is, commented the tattoo artist must have really enjoyed that. I told him just maybe that butterfly was little bitty when inked on...it just grew as the canvas grew.

[fivesense]

bigdummy, on 25 May 2010 - 02:35 PM, said:

I realize that nakedness is refered to as shame but where and when did it become sin.or is it?, Adam and Eve covered their bodys with leaves and hid from God because in Gen.3:10 they were naked, and even God wanted to know who told them they were naked, I realized that they were unaware that they were naked until they ate fruit they were not supposed to eat but there were only the two of them among a multitude of animals who certainly wore nothing but hair or fur so who could they have compared themself to but the naked animals....in fact who first coined the word naked and then discribed what it ment?

Rom.5"13 states that sin is not imputed when there is no law so does one of the 630 laws given to Moses to pass on to the people refer to nakedness as being a sin?

Maybe it was an attempt to camouflage themselves, a denial kind of deal, blend into the woodwork. Getting caught with their hand in the cookie jar, being the guilty party, they sought a disguise, and cowered in fear. It doesn't really say he was experiencing shame, just awareness of his condition now that his eyes were opened to good and evil, and his fearfulness.

Adam was spoken directly to. Israel was spoken directly to. They both transgressed, besides doing something offensive. The law is a barometer of sin. If God had spoken directly to the Gentiles, we too would be liable for sin. But we are not. Adam is the direct fault of our death condition, not the Law. We never had the oracles or the Law given to us, it belongs to a specific people, not us.

Our offenses is what Christ died for, not our transgressions. There are none. That is why Paul said "sin is not imputed when there is no law"
Ro 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Ro 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

Our sins are offensive to God, but we have not transgressed His commandments as did Adam and Israel. They are without excuse, having more than their consciences to go on. They had His foremost involvment in the matter. We were afar off, strangers and aliens, sojourners at times, but never in the thick of things.

The Savior died for the all the sins of the world, offenses and transgressions. Therefore He is the Exalted Redeemer worthy of our subjection.

As a side note, Jesus made it clear what will condemn a person at the resurrection, and it has nothing to do with sin. Jn 3:17 For God did not send His Son to the world that he may judge the world, but that the world may be saved through him;
Jn 3:18 he who is believing in him is not judged, but he who is not believing hath been judged already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

That is why God is revealed by Paul as being conciliated with the whole world, and at peace with mankind. It is His Son Who has taken over the reigns of judgment and justice, and His prescription is "Believe on me".
fivesense

[Christina]

whirlwind, on 01 June 2010 - 02:30 PM, said:

Hi Christina.

Thank you...I appreciate your comment. I had to laugh as I thought about nakedness and sin. It sure would be a sin for me to walk around in the nude.

with you there sister
cute story

[rjp34652@yahoo.com]

bigdummy, on 25 May 2010 - 02:35 PM, said:

I realize that nakedness is refered to as shame but where and when did it become sin.or is it?, Adam and Eve covered their bodys with leaves and hid from God because in Gen.3:10 they were naked, and even God wanted to know who told them they were naked, I realized that they were unaware that they were naked until they ate fruit they were not supposed to eat but there were only the two of them among a multitude of animals who certainly wore nothing but hair or fur so who could they have compared themself to but the naked animals....in fact who first coined the word naked and then discribed what it ment?

Rom.5"13 states that sin is not imputed when there is no law so does one of the 630 laws given to Moses to pass on to the people refer to nakedness as being a sin?

In today's selfish culture the concept of shame has no part.

The idea that "If it feels good, do it" is intertwined in everything from food to fashion.
It's basically a marketing ploy by those who want to sell us their goods and services.

One's character or behaviour is no longer important in our society, it's all about how one feels and how one looks.

This is not a philosophy upon which to base one's life.

Sin is rebellion against God. Shame is rebellion against society.

Since modern society has no concept of shame at all, most people equate sin with shame.
They are two different things and there is more to shame than simply removing your clothing.

[star102]

bigdummy, on 25 May 2010 - 02:35 PM, said:

I realize that nakedness is refered to as shame but where and when did it become sin.or is it?, Adam and Eve covered their bodys with leaves and hid from God because in Gen.3:10 they were naked, and even God wanted to know who told them they were naked, I realized that they were unaware that they were naked until they ate fruit they were not supposed to eat but there were only the two of them among a multitude of animals who certainly wore nothing but hair or fur so who could they have compared themself to but the naked animals....in fact who first coined the word naked and then discribed what it ment?

Rom.5"13 states that sin is not imputed when there is no law so does one of the 630 laws given to Moses to pass on to the people refer to nakedness as being a sin?

I think that it means nothing on the law!

[freeman]

The Bible teaches us to be considerate of others, especially those weak in the faith. If eating meat or going naked offends others then don't do it in front of them. We don't want to cause disharmony in the spirit. Be all things to all people in order that some of them may be saved. If wearing clothes keeps us in harmony then why argue it?
Some people want to cause disharmony because you might wear different clothes than they do. You can't please everyone. But the Bible teaches us that sexual immorality is a sin. It also teaches us that the desires of the body conflict with the spirit. I don't see how going naked will help us spiritually. But being considerate of others and not offending them will help us spiritually.

[rjp34652@yahoo.com]

freeman, on 17 June 2010 - 02:04 PM, said:

The Bible teaches us to be considerate of others, especially those weak in the faith. If eating meat or going naked offends others then don't do it in front of them. We don't want to cause disharmony in the spirit. Be all things to all people in order that some of them may be saved. If wearing clothes keeps us in harmony then why argue it?
Some people want to cause disharmony because you might wear different clothes than they do. You can't please everyone. But the Bible teaches us that sexual immorality is a sin. It also teaches us that the desires of the body conflict with the spirit. I don't see how going naked will help us spiritually. But being considerate of others and not offending them will help us spiritually.

Well said.

[Jo-Nathan]

you being naked may not be a sin, but looking upon someones nakedness (that your not married to) is a sin.

Genesis 9:20-25 Canaan was cursed because Ham seeing Noah's nakedness. also his other son's covered Noah walking backwards so not to look at his nakedness.

[Paul]

Jo-Nathan, on 03 August 2010 - 06:49 PM, said:

you being naked may not be a sin, but looking upon someones nakedness (that your not married to) is a sin.

Genesis 9:20-25 Canaan was cursed because Ham seeing Noah's nakedness. also his other son's covered Noah walking backwards so not to look at his nakedness.

JN, that verse is not talking about seeing your old man nude; it was a Hebrew expression that meant having intercourse with your fathers wife.

[Jo-Nathan]

Paul, on 03 August 2010 - 07:11 PM, said:

JN, that verse is not talking about seeing your old man nude; it was a Hebrew expression that meant having intercourse with your fathers wife.

i know this. nakedness is in the topic not nudity, although it is what everyone is talking about

[Paul]

Jo-Nathan, on 03 August 2010 - 07:26 PM, said:

i know this. nakedness is in the topic not nudity, although it is what everyone is talking about

Gen 9:22 And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without.

Lev 20:11 And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.