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Rev 17;8

The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and will come up out of the Abyss and go to his destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because he once was, now is not, and yet will come.

John wrote the above verse in 100 AD.At that time the beast that had once existed appeared to have been put to death by the Romans.
But here in these last days the beast reappeared in 1948.Jews from all the world have followed it .
This beast which John wrote of is the nation state of Israel.

So for those of you who do not love the beast,Dont let yourself be mislead by those who do love and support the beast.
People will say just anything to divert negative attention away from thier beloved beast .It is what it is.
Jesus said long ago who it would be to kill the saints of God in the last days.

Mathew 23;34
34Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

Do you believe Jesus or do you believe these people who adore the beast?

Edited by shilohsfoal, 11 April 2011 - 08:02 AM.

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That's a totally bogus post.

You're wrongly generalizing all Judah when our Lord Jesus specifically pointed to certain false Jews that had crept in among true Judah.

It is to also deny Scripture like Romans 9 - 11 where Apostle Paul taught that God has blinded many of the Jews so His Salvation could go also to the Gentiles, and in final He will save those of Judah that turn back to Him.

It is also to deny those among the western Christian nations that have crept in and are busy setting up the one world government beast kingdom of Rev.13:1. Or haven't you noticed that the U.N. headquarters rests in New York City? And the European Union system also rests outside the state of Israel.

The signs of the world beast system are right in front of you outside the state of Israel, but you'd rather go on a generalized rant against the house of Judah in the holy land.

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Nothing bogus at all.The nation state of Israel is the beast and you are bogus.
God hasnt sent you veteran.You dont have a clue what your talking about yet you claim you do.
Your as blind as a bat.The beast is before your face and even with all the scripture that points to it you still cant see it.

And your not doing anyone any good with your fairy tales of of new world orders.
Theres one who supports the beast..
Anymore?

Mathew 27;25
Then answered all the people, and said, His blood [be] on us, and on our children.

Edited by shilohsfoal, 11 April 2011 - 11:53 AM.

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Nothing bogus at all.The nation state of Israel is the beast and you are bogus.
God hasnt sent you veteran.You dont have a clue what your talking about yet you claim you do.
Your as blind as a bat.The beast is before your face and even with all the scripture that points to it you still cant see it.

And your not doing anyone any good with your fairy tales of of new world orders.
Theres one who supports the beast..
Anymore?

Mathew 27;25
Then answered all the people, and said, His blood [be] on us, and on our children.



Now everyone here knows the truth about you.

No wonder you don't want to see Communist nations like Russia involved with radical Islam against Israel at the battle of Armageddon. It has to be the same reason you don't recognize the beast working of westerners who proclaim their "New World Order" (not my label, theirs, even declared by George H. Bush). The reality then is, that you're really the one who supports the beast working against God's people in both the Christian west, and in the nation state of Israel.

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Rev 17;8

The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and will come up out of the Abyss and go to his destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because he once was, now is not, and yet will come.


The beast had existed before John even wrote this verse veteran.
Yet you are looking for something that has never existed.
Why cant you pay attention to one verse?
You would ignore all that is written about the beast just so you can teach your fairy tales about your new world order.

Edited by shilohsfoal, 11 April 2011 - 12:48 PM.

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Rev 17;8

The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and will come up out of the Abyss and go to his destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because he once was, now is not, and yet will come.


The beast had existed before John even wrote this verse veteran.
Yet you are looking for something that has never existed.
Why cant you pay attention to one verse?
You would ignore all that is written about the beast just so you can teach your fairy tales about your new world order.



You simply don't know what you're talking about, and sound like a broken record.

The Rev.17:8 beast is about a king, which is why it links that certain he with the one of the bottomless pit in the next verses.

You're also in denial about the internationalist's working to form a one world government over all nations, which is irrational to deny with all the proof that exists to show it. Even the Communists are working for that plan as the FBI agent Cleon Skousen revealed in his 1958 work The Naked Communist.

Are you a Muslim, since your politics allies with them and the Communists against Israel?


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You simply don't know what you're talking about, and sound like a broken record.

The Rev.17:8 beast is about a king, which is why it links that certain he with the one of the bottomless pit in the next verses.

You're also in denial about the internationalist's working to form a one world government over all nations, which is irrational to deny with all the proof that exists to show it. Even the Communists are working for that plan as the FBI agent Cleon Skousen revealed in his 1958 work The Naked Communist.

Are you a Muslim, since your politics allies with them and the Communists against Israel?



My polics is scripture.
And scripture points to the nation state of Israel as being the beast.
Yes Jesus will fight against the ten horns whicxh are muslim states and he shall overcome them but it doesnt change the fact that the nation state of Israel is the beast in which those ten horns renderd thier kingdom.Palestine.

But since you support and love the beast ,you can not see it.
You believe because the beast killed the heir then the promised land is thiers and not his.

Luke 20 ;14
But when the husbandmen saw him, they reasoned among themselves, saying, This is the heir: come, let us kill him, that the inheritance may be ours.

And you support them.
And you claim the beast has the right to exist.
It will be destroyed along with the ten horns that renderd the kingdom to him.

Edited by shilohsfoal, 12 April 2011 - 12:56 PM.

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Revelation 17:8 "The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is [shall come]."

This "beast" was in the Garden of Eden deceiving [beguiling] Eve; he is not here now, for he is in heaven accusing the saints before the throne of God, now. He [Satan] will ascend out of the bottomless pit, as we saw in Revelation 9:1, and 2, and "he will go to perdition", following the judgment at the end of the Millennium kingdom age. Friend, "he" spoken of here, is Satan, and don't let any one tell you any different. Satan is the "son of perdition" as recorded in II Thessalonians 2:1-4, and he will be the first Christ to come at the end of this earth age.

"Perdition" means to "perish", and only Satan has had that sentence passed on him at this time. We are told that those "whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world", [that first earth age], will wonder, or follow after Satan. They fell in the first earth age, and they will also fall in this earth age. Those of who were chosen in that first earth age stood against Satan then, and they will also stand now. They are God's elect.

When the last of the elect, and the 144,000 of Israel are sealed, then Satan will arrive as the Antichrist. This age is a repeat of the first earth age. Now, what about the other Christians? They will follow false doctrine, and go into Satan's camp. The deception will cover the whole earth, yet the truth is in your hands to forewarn those around you in this generation.

There will be no equal to the deceptions that are going to come, in the history of all mankind. Yet the sermons of today are full of nonsense, with no sense of urgency given even as this great hour of deception is at our doorstep. The Church sleeps, while the Kenites steal the sheep.
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My polics is scripture.
And scripture points to the nation state of Israel as being the beast.
Yes Jesus will fight against the ten horns whicxh are muslim states and he shall overcome them but it doesnt change the fact that the nation state of Israel is the beast in which those ten horns renderd thier kingdom.Palestine.

But since you support and love the beast ,you can not see it.
You believe because the beast killed the heir then the promised land is thiers and not his.

Luke 20 ;14
But when the husbandmen saw him, they reasoned among themselves, saying, This is the heir: come, let us kill him, that the inheritance may be ours.

And you support them.
And you claim the beast has the right to exist.
It will be destroyed along with the ten horns that renderd the kingdom to him.



You have obviously come here to twist and deceive, and pick arguments, and are sympathetic with those who plan to destroy Israel; the false prophets you have listened to have terribly deceived you into believing them instead of God's Word. Your thoughts are irrational, and even heretical against God's Word and His people. Your false accusations have no foundation whatsoever. And, you're obviously anti-Semitic, a hater of all Jews since you categorize all Israel as the beast. I can understand why you were banned from this Forum once already.
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Rev 17;8

The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and will come up out of the Abyss and go to his destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because he once was, now is not, and yet will come.


"His" and "he" are singular and speak of a single personage , not a nation , sorry.


I caution you to recall that God will bless those who bless Israel , and curse those who curse Israel. Choose carefully my friend , very carefully.Your future depends on it.


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"His" and "he" are singular and speak of a single personage , not a nation , sorry.


I caution you to recall that God will bless those who bless Israel , and curse those who curse Israel. Choose carefully my friend , very carefully.Your future depends on it.


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So,who is Israel?
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"All that we have learned from our youth up must be tested and proved by the Word of God. Where we find it is true we must learn it over again, from God. And where it will not stand the test of His Word we must be not only content, but thankful to give it up; and receive Divine revelation in the place of man's imagination."

." E. W. Bullinger, D.D.

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"His" and "he" are singular and speak of a single personage , not a nation , sorry.


I caution you to recall that God will bless those who bless Israel , and curse those who curse Israel. Choose carefully my friend , very carefully.Your future depends on it.


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His is singular as in a single goverment or a single country.
I caution you not to be ingnorant of scripture.

Genisis 12
2 “I will make you into a great nation,
and I will bless you;
I will make your name great,
and you will be a blessing.[a]
3 I will bless those who bless you,
and whoever curses you I will curse;
and all peoples on earth
will be blessed through you.”[b]

Obviously you havnt been blessed by God or you would know who the seed of Abraham really is.

Galatians 3;16
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.


It is through Christ that all nations are blessed.
For someone who claims to be a christian ,you should have know this.


You have obviously come here to twist and deceive, and pick arguments, and are sympathetic with those who plan to destroy Israel; the false prophets you have listened to have terribly deceived you into believing them instead of God's Word. Your thoughts are irrational, and even heretical against God's Word and His people. Your false accusations have no foundation whatsoever. And, you're obviously anti-Semitic, a hater of all Jews since you categorize all Israel as the beast. I can understand why you were banned from this Forum once already.



No .Ive come here to shopw people who the beast of the bible is.
And I do it with scripture pointing out his location and his history both ancient and recent.
But I do come across people who love and support the beast such as yourself who would rather people worship the beast and glorify it.
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So,who is Israel?





Isaiah 49
1 Listen to me, you islands;
hear this, you distant nations:
Before I was born the LORD called me;
from my mother’s womb he has spoken my name.
2 He made my mouth like a sharpened sword,
in the shadow of his hand he hid me;
he made me into a polished arrow
and concealed me in his quiver.
3 He said to me, “You are my servant,
Israel,
in whom I will display my splendor.”
4 But I said, “I have labored in vain;
I have spent my strength for nothing at all.
Yet what is due me is in the LORD’s hand,
and my reward is with my God.”


Rev 3;12

Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out:
and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, [which is] new Jerusalem,
which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and [I will write upon him] my new name.

Edited by shilohsfoal, 13 April 2011 - 07:36 AM.

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His is singular as in a single goverment or a single country.
I caution you not to be ingnorant of scripture.

Genisis 12
2 “I will make you into a great nation,
and I will bless you;
I will make your name great,
and you will be a blessing.[a]
3 I will bless those who bless you,
and whoever curses you I will curse;
and all peoples on earth
will be blessed through you.”

Obviously you havnt been blessed by God or you would know who the seed of Abraham really is.

Galatians 3;16
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.


It is through Christ that all nations are blessed.
For someone who claims to be a christian ,you should have know this.





No .Ive come here to shopw people who the beast of the bible is.
And I do it with scripture pointing out his location and his history both ancient and recent.
But I do come across people who love and support the beast such as yourself who would rather people worship the beast and glorify it.


You are saying that Israel is the beast, huh?

Well, once the whole world worships the beast, once the whole world cannot buy or sell anything without the mark of the beast (whose name equals 666), once the world sees Israel perform great signs and makes fire come down from heaven....and the list goes on, once all that happens, we will believe you.

But I do believe Revelation 13:18 states, "Here is wisdom Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for the number is that of a man; and his number is six hundred and sixty-six.

Apparently wisdom and understanding is lacking here because the Bible just states that the number of the beast is that of a man...not a nation. If you can figure out how Israel = 666....indulge us please!

Edited by burningfire, 13 April 2011 - 07:37 AM.

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You are saying that Israel is the beast, huh?

Well, once the whole world worships the beast, once the whole world cannot buy or sell anything without the mark of the beast (whose name equals 666), once the world sees Israel perform great signs and makes fire come down from heaven....and the list goes on, once all that happens, we will believe you.

But I do believe Revelation 13:18 states, "Here is wisdom Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for the number is that of a man; and his number is six hundred and sixty-six.

Apparently wisdom and understanding is lacking here because the Bible just states that the number of the beast is that of a man...not a nation. If you can figure out how Israel = 666....indulge us please!



The beast that was and was not and yet is is not the beast that gives them the mark of the beast.
That comes later via the second beast of rev.
As for making fire come down out of heaven.Israel can already do that so can the millitary that shall be sent into Israel.
The abomination that causes desolation is the mark of the beast.It is an army that shall mark them and fire its missiles.

Daniel 11;31
"His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they will set up the abomination that causes desolation.


What may have been a wonder 2000 years ago is common place today.
Its not that hard to make fire come down out of heaven.It only takes one man to say the word "fire" and there it is.
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The beast that was and was not and yet is is not the beast that gives them the mark of the beast.
That comes later via the second beast of rev.
As for making fire come down out of heaven.Israel can already do that so can the millitary that shall be sent into Israel.
The abomination that causes desolation is the mark of the beast.It is an army that shall mark them and fire its missiles.

Daniel 11;31
"His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they will set up the abomination that causes desolation.


What may have been a wonder 2000 years ago is common place today.
Its not that hard to make fire come down out of heaven.It only takes one man to say the word "fire" and there it is.


OHHH! There is a second beast...REALLY? Prove it.
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OHHH! There is a second beast...REALLY? Prove it.


After John saw the first beast,then he saw another beast.
This beast likes those who do wickedly against Jesus.

Rev 13;11-12
And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

Daniel 11;32
32And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.


This beast will kill those who do not worship the beast or his image."christians"

Rev 13;15
And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

Daniel 11;33
33And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet
they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.

Edited by shilohsfoal, 14 April 2011 - 02:47 PM.

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After John saw the first beast,then he saw another beast.
This beast likes those who do wickedly against Jesus.

Rev 13;11-12
And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.



That is the false prophet buddy. Read the rest of the chapter.

Once the AC is wounded in the head, and killed, the false prophet arises, who can do many great things (miracles) and will raise the AC up from the dead. We are talking about literal people here, not the country Israel.

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That is the false prophet buddy. Read the rest of the chapter.

Once the AC is wounded in the head, and killed, the false prophet arises, who can do many great things (miracles) and will raise the AC up from the dead. We are talking about literal people here, not the country Israel.



Ithink you have it wrong....The first beast will be a one world political system,that's about to happen soon.....That system will fall apart,satan himself,as the antichrist will put it back together again and all will wonder after him thinking he is Christ.........

Here is a good study on it at the link below.......

http://www.biblestud...e.com/beast.htm

Here's an excerpt

There are two beasts spoken of in the thirteenth chapter of the book of Revelation. The first beast [Rev 13:1-10] is the emerging one-world political/religious system that we see gaining strength and power at a breakneck speed in our present generation. This confederacy of all the world's Nations, Educational systems (Media), Monetary systems, and most importantly the Religions will be in effect under the rule of one Governing body. This will make it possible for the antichrist to step in, take the reins, and assume control of most every soul on the planet. This antichrist is the second beast of Revelation chapter thirteen, and he is satan himself, who comes first before Jesus Christ's Second Advent, and he claims to be the True prophesied Messiah.

The second beast [Rev 13:11-18] is satan himself in his role as the antichrist. See the THE ANTICHRIST in-depth Bible study. The word 'antichrist,' in the Greek language that the book of revelation was written in, does not mean what it means in our English language. It does not mean 'the prevention of' as in antifreeze. But rather it means 'instead of' as in an imposter. The word antichrist in the Greek language is antichristos (an-tee'-khris-tos), and it is composed of two words, the second word Christos (khris-tos') you recognize as Christ. But the first word anti (an-tee') has a very revealing definition, it means 'instead of' or 'a substitution' for something. When this prefix is used of a person it means that he is an imposter to whomever the prefix anti is attached to. In this case (anti-Christ); he is an imposter to Christ:
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That is the false prophet buddy. Read the rest of the chapter.

Once the AC is wounded in the head, and killed, the false prophet arises, who can do many great things (miracles) and will raise the AC up from the dead. We are talking about literal people here, not the country Israel.



Oh really?
Prove it.

Where in the scripture does it say a man other than Christ can resurrect another man.

John 11;25
Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

That is the false prophet buddy. Read the rest of the chapter.

Once the AC is wounded in the head, and killed, the false prophet arises, who can do many great things (miracles) and will raise the AC up from the dead.
We are talking about literal people here, not the country Israel.



Ok .Your looking for one man with seven heads and ten horns and your lokking for another man with two horns.
Good luck in your serching .Come back and tell us when you find them.
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Ithink you have it wrong....The first beast will be a one world political system,that's about to happen soon.....That system will fall apart,satan himself,as the antichrist will put it back together again and all will wonder after him thinking he is Christ.........

Here is a good study on it at the link below.......

http://www.biblestud...e.com/beast.htm

Here's an excerpt

There are two beasts spoken of in the thirteenth chapter of the book of Revelation. The first beast [Rev 13:1-10] is the emerging one-world political/religious system that we see gaining strength and power at a breakneck speed in our present generation. This confederacy of all the world's Nations, Educational systems (Media), Monetary systems, and most importantly the Religions will be in effect under the rule of one Governing body. This will make it possible for the antichrist to step in, take the reins, and assume control of most every soul on the planet. This antichrist is the second beast of Revelation chapter thirteen, and he is satan himself, who comes first before Jesus Christ's Second Advent, and he claims to be the True prophesied Messiah.

The second beast [Rev 13:11-18] is satan himself in his role as the antichrist. See the THE ANTICHRIST in-depth Bible study. The word 'antichrist,' in the Greek language that the book of revelation was written in, does not mean what it means in our English language. It does not mean 'the prevention of' as in antifreeze. But rather it means 'instead of' as in an imposter. The word antichrist in the Greek language is antichristos (an-tee'-khris-tos), and it is composed of two words, the second word Christos (khris-tos') you recognize as Christ. But the first word anti (an-tee') has a very revealing definition, it means 'instead of' or 'a substitution' for something. When this prefix is used of a person it means that he is an imposter to whomever the prefix anti is attached to. In this case (anti-Christ); he is an imposter to Christ:


So where is the false prophet in all of this through this interpretation of Revelation?
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So where is the false prophet in all of this through this interpretation of Revelation?



The second beastr is also called the false prophet in the book of Rev.
It is also the host given to the nation state of Israel in the book of Daniel.

Daniel 8;12
And an host was given [him] against the daily [sacrifice] by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.

My guess is you dont like the book of Daniel?
Both beasts and events are discibed in that book too.

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I think peoples biggest problem is the donrt realize the book of Daniel and the book of revelation is speaking of the same end times events.
People are taught by their christian leaders that the king of the north in Daniel chapter 11 sets up a image in a rebuilt temple and they canm find that happening in the book of revelations.And even though none of what thier teachers teach them is biblical they except it as the gosple truth.
At the same time thier teachers teach them something altogether different out of the book of revelation when they are talking about the exact same events.

The purpose of the book of revelation is to help the servants of Jesus Christ understand what takes place at the time of the end.
It is nothing different than what other prophets have written about ,it only is worded differently.

The first beast of revelation describes the occupants of the promised land.That is the beast that is in Jerusalem and the ten muslim countries .
The second beast describes the king of the north and his army that he sends into Israel.
The mark of the beast is the abomination of desolation.

After the beast ,false prophet and the ten muslim countries are destroyed the saints inherit the promised land and the millennial reign begins.

As for the location of the beast.He is right there where the bible says he is.
The city where our Lord was crucified..

Rev 11;7-8
And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.And their dead bodies [shall lie] in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.



Ya think maybe if there wasnt so many false prophets telling people they shall love the Israeli goverment ,people might realize what it is?


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I think peoples biggest problem is the donrt realize the book of Daniel and the book of revelation is speaking of the same end times events.
People are taught by their christian leaders that the king of the north in Daniel chapter 11 sets up a image in a rebuilt temple and they canm find that happening in the book of revelations.And even though none of what thier teachers teach them is biblical they except it as the gosple truth.
At the same time thier teachers teach them something altogether different out of the book of revelation when they are talking about the exact same events.

The purpose of the book of revelation is to help the servants of Jesus Christ understand what takes place at the time of the end.
It is nothing different than what other prophets have written about ,it only is worded differently.

The first beast of revelation describes the occupants of the promised land.That is the beast that is in Jerusalem and the ten muslim countries .
The second beast describes the king of the north and his army that he sends into Israel.
The mark of the beast is the abomination of desolation.

After the beast ,false prophet and the ten muslim countries are destroyed the saints inherit the promised land and the millennial reign begins.

As for the location of the beast.He is right there where the bible says he is.
The city where our Lord was crucified..

Rev 11;7-8
And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.And their dead bodies [shall lie] in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.



Ya think maybe if there wasnt so many false prophets telling people they shall love the Israeli goverment ,people might realize what it is?



No, I like Daniel too. They do go hand in hand, but your reference to Israel being the first beast is not Scriptural. It is just a misinterpretation.

God loves Israel. Israel is in His plans. the coming war is all about Israel. They just found the biggest plot of oil right off their cost in the world. They are going to be a super rich country. God is blessing Israel. Countries that go against Israel will feel God's wrath.

Check out a guy named John McTernan. He specializes in Israel. Very knowledgeable man, loves the Lord. http://johnmcternans...s.blogspot.com/

He links disasters, natural and un-natural to events that happen in Israel, especially with countries trying to talk them into a peace treaty, or separating the land with Palestine.

Edited by burningfire, 15 April 2011 - 12:38 PM.

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No, I like Daniel too. They do go hand in hand, but your reference to Israel being the first beast is not Scriptural. It is just a misinterpretation.

God loves Israel. Israel is in His plans. the coming war is all about Israel. They just found the biggest plot of oil right off their cost in the world. They are going to be a super rich country. God is blessing Israel. Countries that go against Israel will feel God's wrath.

Check out a guy named John McTernan. He specializes in Israel. Very knowledgeable man, loves the Lord. http://johnmcternans...s.blogspot.com/

He links disasters, natural and un-natural to events that happen in Israel, especially with countries trying to talk them into a peace treaty, or separating the land with Palestine.



No .Its not a misinterpretation.
The beast calls himself by the name Israel .
All that is written of the beast is coming to pass before your face but you not being able to see cant see it.

Its probably caused by your love for the beast and the fact you have always been taught to love it.

I started three threads on three seperate boards.
The other two boards ,I was able to go through scripture pointing out many prophecies concerning the beast that have come to pass ij the last 65 years or so but not this board.Insted of providing scripture I ended up in a debate with people who support the beast.This thread is really not even worth the effort anymore.I"ll attempt to make another thread in the future concerning these things cause this is not going anywhere.Its like trying to preach the gospel to a orthodox jew.

Edited by shilohsfoal, 15 April 2011 - 03:23 PM.

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No .Its not a misinterpretation.
The beast calls himself by the name Israel .
All that is written of the beast is coming to pass before your face but you not being able to see cant see it.

Its probably caused by your love for the beast and the fact you have always been taught to love it.

I started three threads on three seperate boards.
The other two boards ,I was able to go through scripture pointing out many prophecies concerning the beast that have come to pass ij the last 65 years or so but not this board.Insted of providing scripture I ended up in a debate with people who support the beast.This thread is really not even worth the effort anymore.I"ll attempt to make another thread in the future concerning these things cause this is not going anywhere.Its like trying to preach the gospel to a orthodox jew.


The reason you are in debate with people on this board is because you have not proven, with Scripture, that Israel is the beast. You have not gone over the prophecies fulfilled. You haven't done any of that, like you claimed you did on other boards. So far, it's all speculation. It's what you think. Post a new thread we all evidence you have accumulated. Until you can do so, with proper interpretation of Scripture, proving Israel to be the beast is true, I will consider this ideology as garbage. The only reason this is going nowhere is because you fail to interpret Scripture correctly.
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No.It didnt go anywhere because of you love the beast.
Many people love the beast.Its not uncommon.But I will say Veteran was really the one who made the thread go the wrong way .
I knew he loved the beast because Ive seen him before.He supports both thebeast and its ally the king of the north.There have brern many prophecies concerning his kingdom that have been coming to pass in the last 63 years also .
But Im just going to concentrate on the boards that recieved me.I;ll come back and try again some time in the future if I can.Good bye.
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No.It didnt go anywhere because of you love the beast.
Many people love the beast.Its not uncommon.But I will say Veteran was really the one who made the thread go the wrong way .
I knew he loved the beast because Ive seen him before.He supports both thebeast and its ally the king of the north.There have brern many prophecies concerning his kingdom that have been coming to pass in the last 63 years also .
But Im just going to concentrate on the boards that recieved me.I;ll come back and try again some time in the future if I can.Good bye.


The reason we have not received your posts the way you want is because you keep saying Israel is the beast without any proof. All you need to do is prove it. That's it. You keep beating around the bush, which tells me you really have no significant backing to your theory.
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Revelation 1:10 provides the period of time that the prophetic events occur that are found in the book of Revelation. The apostle John says that "by inspiration I came to be in the Lord's day." The apostle Paul gave insight into the "Lord's day" by expressing to the Corinthian congregation that Jesus Christ "will make you firm to the end, that you may be open to no accusation in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ."(1 Cor 1:8) He further told them that any man who commits fornication "to hand such a man over....for the destruction of the flesh, in order that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord."(1 Cor 5:5) Thus, the "Lord's day" was, from Paul's time, still far into the future.

The "Lord's day" begins with the opening of the first seal (Rev 6:1), in which a rider on "a white horse" is given "a crown" and he goes "forth conquering and to complete his conquest." Revelation 19 identifies who this rider is, as the "Word of God"(Rev 19:13), and of which the "armies that were in heaven were following him on white horses" ("white horses" pictures righteous warfare, Prov 21:31). Hence, Jesus is the rider on "the white horse" that receives "a crown" or kingship (Dan 7:13, 14), for he is the "Word of God" or God's chief spokesman.(John 1:1)

But when was Jesus given "a crown" so that he began ruling God's kingdom ? Revelation 6:3,4 gives a critical detail, saying that immediately following of his receiving "a crown", the "second seal" was opened, whereby "a fiery-colored horse" came forth, so that "the one seated upon it there was granted to take peace away from the earth so that they should slaughter one another; and a great sword was given him." What does this mean ?

That immediately following Jesus enthronement as king, global war broke out. When was the earth involved in global warfare for the first time in history, whereby ' peace was taken away from the earth, slaughtering one another ' ? With the outbreak of WWI in 1914. Thus, Jesus installment as king of God's kingdom in 1914 marked the beginning of "the Lord's day" and now provides the timeline for rest of the book of Revelation.

Now onto Revelation 17:8, which says that this "wild beast" that John "saw" previously is ridden upon by a "woman", a "harlot" called "Babylon the Great".(Rev 17:5) This "wild beast" is spoken of as a "scarlet-colored wild beast".(Rev 17:3) First, there is a need to identify what is meant by a "wild beast". Daniel 7 unlocks this by showing that the world empires of Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece and Rome are likened to different "wild beasts". Thus, all human governments are under the umbrella of "a (composite) wild beast", acting like wild beasts, tearing, maiming and killing humans like a vicious wild beast.(Rev 13:2) The harlotrous "woman" of Babylon the Great is seen as riding "a scarlet-colored wild beast", which is a creation of the "wild beast", being given ruling authority (scarlet was a royal color, Matt 27:28) by this "wild beast" that people are awed by, for "those who dwell on the earth will wonder admiringly."("wonder admiringly", Greek thaumazo, Rev 17:8b)

Hence, what is the "scarlet-colored wild beast" that is given ruling authority by the "wild beast" of Revelation 13:1,2 or all the governments of the world as a composite unit ? What is this scarlet-colored "wild beast that....was, but is not and yet is about to ascend out of the abyss, and it is to go off into destruction" ?(Rev 17:8a) As WWI drew to a close in 1918, American president Woodrow Wilson and British prime minister David Lloyd George proposed a League of Nations. Its goal was to “achieve international peace and security” and thus keep the horror of such a war from ever occurring again. It came into existence on January 16, 1920 with a membership of 42 nations.

It is interesting to note who took this initiative. These two leaders were the heads of the two parts of the seventh world power of Bible history, the Anglo-American World Power.(Rev 17:10) This and other facts regarding the international peace and security organization fit, in an amazing way, what the Bible book of Revelation had said about a short-lived “eighth king” that would both rise and fall in our day. What were some of these interesting parallels ?(Rev 17:11)

The prophecy in Revelation revealed that a “beast” having “two horns like a lamb” would tell “those who dwell on the earth to make an image” to the wild beast (Rev 13:11, 14), which has been headed by the seven great world powers of Biblical history.This is exactly what the Anglo-American World Power did. It urged “those who dwell on the earth” to make a League that looked and acted the way great governments do (as an image does).

But really it was only “an image to the wild beast.” It had no power of its own, only what was given it by its member nations. It is not described as coming into power through some great military conquest, as world powers had done. Instead, it springs or comes from the seven world powers. It owes its existence not only to the seventh of them but also to other member nations that include remnants of the preceding six. Would this political image reach the high goals that its founders had hoped for, to "achieve international peace and security" ?(Rev 17:11.) No.

With the outbreak of WWII on September 1, 1939, the League became as "is not", defunct, going out of existence. It remained in a death-like state until it ' ascended out of the abyss' as the United Nations on October 24, 1945 (Rev 17:8a), with 192 members as of 2006. However, those who give admiration to this "scarlet-colored wild beast", their "names have not been written upon the scroll of life from the founding of the world."(Rev 17:8) Those who worship the composite "wild beast" or all the governments of the world as "one"(Rev 13:2), also worship the "image of the wild beast", the United Nations, with these ones names not having been "written upon the scroll of life."

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One good thing about this thread is that it sorts out the people who love Israel (like God does) and those who hate Israel (like the Beast does)

God still has special plans for Israel , the nation in the Middle East , her citizens , and the worldwide Jew who are still being re-gathered,

God will bless those who bless Israel , and curse those who curse Israel. It is a sobering reminder for us to choose sides carefully. Very carefully. Our futures depend on it.

God has punished and scattered disobedient Israel like he said he would. Now is the time of the re-gathering and a time of favor and compassion on Zion. Just like he said he would.

The gentile christian may view the unbelieving Jew as an enemy of the gospel , fine , but they are not the enemy of God. Romans 9 , 10 and 11 spell it out clearly.

Go read and go Israel.
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