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[Episkopos]

according to there doctrine poor old Abraham is not going to make it? all he has is faith in God? if only he had known this bunch back in the day? MAY I BE COUNTED WITH ABRAHAM WHO HAD ONLY THE WORKS OF HIS FAITH! AND DID NOT CONSIDER THE WEAKNESS OF HIS BODY BUT TRUSTED IN HIS GOD!

BY THE WAY YOU GUYS? IS ABRAHAM SAVED? HOW ABOUT RAHAB? she was harlot if you dont know and one of just 4 women mentioned in the Lords generational line? 2 were harlots, 1 an adultress, and other a moabite who according to law cannot be allowed to share in God blessing?? odd they would be honored?

You admit that you're still stuck in your old nature like those in the OT. But we have a new covenant in Christ. So you claim the promises of the NT while still walking in your own strength...it just doesn't wash.

[brother dave]

You admit that you're still stuck in your old nature like those in the OT. But we have a new covenant in Christ. So you claim the promises of the NT while still walking in your own strength...it just doesn't wash.

is Abraham saved in your ignorant doctrine? how about rahab who hung a little red string? is she saved? have you ever helped a weak person in your life? have you ever known His compassion for the lost?? i tell you if you dont know that? you have never known Him!

Edited by brother dave, 31 July 2012 - 08:13 PM.

[Episkopos]

is Abraham saved in your ignorant doctrine? how about rahab who hung a little red string? is she saved? have you ever helped a weak person in your life? have you ever known His compassion for the lost?? i tell you if you dont know that? you have never known Him!

Are you from the peace corps? Humans can justify their actions through charity...but this is not the same as being in Christ. LOving God remains the first commandment.

[brother dave]

Are you from the peace corps? Humans can justify their actions through charity...but this is not the same as being in Christ. LOving God remains the first commandment.

so Abraham was before the commandment? is he saved in your twisting doctrine? or is Abraham lost also? who else will you condemn? Issac and Jacob? dont forget Joseph ! who did not keep that commandment? do you ever answer a question or just insult those wiser than you?

your friends are leaving you because of your weakness. i can see you! what part of the world are you from? it looks a little dark.

[Strat]

The Gospel (of Grace) is receiving the Holy Spirit of the Risen Lord.

In THIS Gospel, we are made righteous and sinless by Christ dwelling in us. This is the Gospel prophecied by the prophets. The Kingdom of God. There is "no condemnation" in this Gospel.
The ONLY "consequences reaped" in this Gospel is Eternal Life.

But you are welcome to explain your Gospel Strat. This should be interesting...

The gospel of grace/sin with impunity..once you say the magic words its party time...sure i understand.

[mark s]

Who is the person here who wants a license to sin?

What is the sin you want to be free to commit?

This too is a fallacy.

[Episkopos]

The gospel of grace/sin with impunity..once you say the magic words its party time...sure i understand.

Actually you misunderstand...read carefully what Whitestone is saying. He is talking about a new life in the Spirit according to the power of God. Not a human scheme for covering up sins

[brother dave]

I WILL ASK BOTH OF YOU? IS ABRAHAM SAVED ACCORDING TO YOUR NONSENSE OF A DOCTRINE? AND FOR YOU epi WHO IS THE BOY OR GIRL IN YOUR SINS?

i know what you are! and sodom was a bad place to be!

[Episkopos]

I WILL ASK BOTH OF YOU? IS ABRAHAM SAVED ACCORDING TO YOUR NONSENSE OF A DOCTRINE? AND FOR YOU epi WHO IS THE BOY OR GIRL IN YOUR SINS?

You want an opinion? I have no opinion...I have never met Abraham...have you? We have the bible record that GOD (the Creator)...justified him. No man did this.... Can you see that?

Can you find me a place where anybody then justifies himself based on what another has done????

Your system is based on SELF-JUSTIFICATION by reading a bible.

Here is what you are actually doing...with many others here

"And he read a bible and he counted it for himself as righteousness"

But you can't see this....

Edited by Episkopos, 31 July 2012 - 09:39 PM.

[brother dave]

that is a simple question! you mean one of you bible teachers cant answer that?
what kind of answer is that? i thought you was some great teacher? is abraham saved? justified?

Edited by brother dave, 31 July 2012 - 09:43 PM.

[Episkopos]

that is a simple question! you mean one of you bible teachers cant answer that?
what kind of answer is that? i thought you was some great teacher? is abraham saved? justified?

Did you justify Abraham? Do you expect me to justify him?

Why can't you see that there is a real living God who does the justifying and no one else????

This is the reasoning of the self-justifiers here...

(The sign says..."now hiring able bodied men")

So a man reads the sign...figures he is able bodied then immediately declares that he is hired...without ever meeting the employer or actually BEING HIRED at all.

He has self-hired himself by accepting his own application....How foolish is that??

But this is how so many become "saved" in their own conceit.

[haz]

You admit that you're still stuck in your old nature like those in the OT. But we have a new covenant in Christ. So you claim the promises of the NT while still walking in your own strength...it just doesn't wash.

Hi Epi,

You have consistently accused others here of unbelief/not abiding in Christ because they believe God's promise.
Yet you yourself have consistently shown that you are still in the flesh, in that old nature you accuse others here of. You deny Christ by your works.

That is why your being confronted here.

BTW, not only are churches a mission field but forums as well. You've been presented with the gospel and reject it. You have revealed yourself by this.

[brother dave]

are you afraid? just answer the simple question? in your ignorant doctrine, is Abraham saved? what is so hard about giving a strait answer to that question?

here we have a doctrine where Abraham is not saved? or is he? or maybe ? or i dont know? or i dont want to guess? you are a teacher?? and cant even answer that?
i bet even a muslim in there vile nature could answer that!

Edited by brother dave, 31 July 2012 - 10:03 PM.

[whitestone]

The gospel of grace/sin with impunity..once you say the magic words its party time...sure i understand.

Sorry, your sarcasm is lost on me.

[Axehead]

The gospel of grace does not exclude the law of sowing and reaping and consequences for choices made...God is not mocked,any "gospel" that suggest otherwise is false.

Hi Strat,

I know what you are saying and I agree. Companion verses for "God is not mocked", could be:

Jud 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

Jud 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Jud 1:5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.

And a lot of what we are doing is "putting people in remembrance" of the high calling we have in Christ Jesus and the responsibility of being a child of grace.

Thanks for that contribution,
Axehead

Edited by Axehead, 31 July 2012 - 11:05 PM.

[brother dave]

Sorry, your sarcasm is lost on me.

no but any honest Christians will get the humor of a doctrine that unsaves Abraham himself! and the sad state of a so-called teacher that cant answer such a simple question. and not sure who is more to be made fun of? that false teacher or the poor people who follow such ignorant doctrine ? many will get it!

i bet if you guys keep working at it you can even unsave some of the Apostles? i know epi has tried to bring doubts on Pauls salvation! you might even get yourself to the cross and put your whole little group on it! then you guys can begin to unsave each other? who will be the last one of you guys saved is the only question now? we are waiting to see which of you guys is the real christ? by the way, my guess its the epi guy! but the whit stone guy looks pretty good too!

your doctrines are as sad as any i have seen! the mormons make you look silly? at least joseph smith had an angel and a little hat to look into! you guys need to get something cool like that!

Edited by brother dave, 01 August 2012 - 04:48 AM.

[dragonfly]

Hi brother dave,

How did Abraham's salvation come into question in your mind, within the context of posts in this thread?

Did you not understand my reference to Abraham?

[brother dave]

Hi brother dave,

How did Abraham's salvation come into question in your mind, within the context of posts in this thread?

Did you not understand my reference to Abraham?

in the context of trying to figure out who may or may not be saved? although you guys are not willing to give a standard beyond your own opinions, for salvation? it appears you are setting the standard of savlation at the bar of completion of the law? although i know your doctrine may change at any moment? that seems to be your most recent standard,or position? and if not? please inform us who are trying to understand this complex plan of salvation!

i mean i hope i am really saved? the Holy Spirit and the Word can only have so much importance around some as great as you guys seem to be? i dont know the standard that was hidden from me when i was baptised by the fire of God? and i know you guys must have all the answers? because i have never heard of how difficult it really is! and i just want to make sure me and poor old Abraham are really saved?

Edited by brother dave, 01 August 2012 - 05:44 AM.

[dragonfly]

Hi brother dave,

Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither [can] a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven;
but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.


I am interested to know how you read v 21. These are the words of Christ. (We are Christians.) Yet the opinion has been expressed during this discussion that because Jesus was speaking during the era of the Mosaic law, His words do not apply to Christians.

This means, therefore, that a Christian does not need to worry about knowing the will of our Father in heaven, or doing it.

Is this your understanding also?



A forum is necessarily limited to our words. That's why one of the ways we can recognise each other - apart from the witness of the Holy Spirit - is through the 'conversation' of our lives as expressed through our words.

Colossians 4:6 Let your speech [be] alway with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.


Is our speech always 'with grace'?



'Salt' is not sarcasm, mockery, or play-acting (hypocrisy); it is truth, light, life - and the fruit of the Spirit against which there is no law.


Heb 4:12, 13, and I don't mean by that, quoting scripture. I mean, the words that cause the other person to discern difference.

[Episkopos]

in the context of trying to figure out who may or may not be saved? although you guys are not willing to give a standard beyond your own opinions, for salvation? it appears you are setting the standard of savlation at the bar of completion of the law? although i know your doctrine may change at any moment? that seems to be your most recent standard,or position? and if not? please inform us who are trying to understand this complex plan of salvation!

i mean i hope i am really saved? the Holy Spirit and the Word can only have so much importance around some as great as you guys seem to be? i dont know the standard that was hidden from me when i was baptised by the fire of God? and i know you guys must have all the answers? because i have never heard of how difficult it really is! and i just want to make sure me and poor old Abraham are really saved?

Saved saved saved...like a Pavlov's dog conditioning....no man can "figure out" what God will say to him on that day. Pointless repetition of futility.

[dragonfly]

Hi brother dave,

I see I didn't make clear that my posting Matthew 7 was in answer to your question

in the context of trying to figure out who may or may not be saved?

Although I think in my answer to haz, I covered it from a different perspective, too.


One thing is beginning to come through to me from my general reading of posts on this 'gospel of grace' topic in CyB, and that is, that the OSAS doctrine makes an idol of assurance of salvation way beyond the claims of scripture.

That in itself should be a red alert for some, to prompt them to dig into the New Testament for themselves, to find out whether the promises which have been made to them by preachers and teachers, are there in the construct that they have received them. It is clear there has been a lack of objective comparison by some posters.

Edited by dragonfly, 01 August 2012 - 07:44 AM.

[Episkopos]

Wondering who is saved or how big you reward in heaven is...is futile. Making a doctrine from such a motivation like this...is deceitful.

In a topic such as this we should rather be telling others of the wonderful experiences of power related to God's grace.

[haz]

Hi haz,





haz, it really depends what you mean by 'believing on Jesus', whether you need be concerned that this refers to you. (And you don't need to be concerned if it doesn't.) And that reasonable concern you may have depends what kind of gospel was preached to you - whether it is the one in the Bible beginning with Abraham Gal 3:8 - or, it is another gospel.... 2 Cor 11:4, Gal 1:6, which is as good as 'fables'. I have used what you posted in reply to Kidron in http://www.christian...are-born-again/ in more than one post, and you have not addressed any of the loopholes in the logic you used. This gives me the impression that you have no idea of the full gospel. But if you have heard the whole truth and believed into Jesus Christ according to the gospel to Abraham, which Jesus Christ came to fulfil, then, you should have a testimony like Episkopos', and I would expect you to recognise him as a brother.

It's 'harder to attain' if no-one told you about being grafted into the death of Christ Rom 6:5 in reality. And if you think (as others seem to think) that you don't need to worry about sins any more because Christ died for them, that is only true if you're planning to acknowledge every single one of them to Him, and be washed again in His blood in reality. A better plan is, to walk in the power of the Holy Spirit, and do not fulfil the lusts of the flesh.
Is this really news to you? You've never heard of it before? (Serious questions. Please answer.)
I think that may be the construction you put upon what he said, rather than 'what he said'. You could always find and bring that conversation, including your part in it, here as a quote, as you've mentioned it often. That would help readers understand what this discussion is about. (Many thanks if you do.)



Heb 8:10, - Rom 3:27, - Rom 6:22, - Rom 8:2 - - - - Rom 8:4,

James 2:8, - John 14:15, 16, 17, 18, - John 15:12, - 1 John 5:3.


Now, two questions for you.

Does 'keeping' these 'laws', strike you as 'works'? Please answer.

Or, is 'keeping' them the natural outworking of Rom 12:1 - 3? Please answer.




The first thing to say is that Christians don't (or shouldn't) fear death itself, because it should have no power over us any more if we have been walking in the power of the Holy Spirit. Heb 2:15 Christians tend to shy away from your question, though, because who can know what has gone on between a man and God by the Spirit, in his dying moments? God knows with perfect precision what attitude a person's heart is holding, and whether there is anything He can hold against them. Not that He is trying to, but His justice is perfect too, and He has appropriate 'rewards' lined up for both good, and evil.

However, Ezekiel 18:24 comes to mind, as does the first part of Ezekiel 9, Romans 2, and Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed to men once to die, but after this the judgment. While you're reading the Bible, you can gather how seriously God takes unrepented sin and, and that's why a Christian is held to a much higher standard - because spiritually he normally dwells in that other realm, with God, knowing Him, communicating by the Holy Spirit. John 17:3.

What do you think is the answer to your last question? Please answer.

Hi dragonfly,
I referred to that link you posted of Kidron’s topic on “how to understand you sin…’ and could not find any posts of yours. Were you perhaps meaning a different topic? Also, a reminder that I’m not following a lot of topics as I don’t have the time. It is likely that I have not read all your posts in other topics.
You suggested I should have a testimony like Episkopos and see Epi as my brother. This is hardly a persuasive argument especially considering the false gospel Epi has pushed here. Besides, Epi does not see many here as his brothers other than the likes of you, Axehead and Co.
Epi has demonstrated no spiritual understanding. Others here have described his gospel as an ‘on-again-off-again salvation’, ‘complicated’ and ‘obfuscation’, etc. It’s hard to imagine any sincere Christian would present themselves in such a manner when supposedly sharing the gospel. I suspect he does this deliberately, probably to try to deceive others here with a false gospel.
Anyway, below are some quotes taken from posts made by Epi. I couldn’t find all the quotes I hoped for but I don’t have the time to be searching any further. Also consider the quotes I posted earlier.
TOPIC: True Repentance Epi #18 You have made yourself a child of God by what you believe……….. Here if we measure delusion by the pound...it is far easier to justify yourself through a belief than through a work.
TOPIC: Are Christians sinners #23 The power of the gospel makes one walk exactly as Jesus did on earth. No difference. As Jesus IS so are WE in this world. So the victory over sin is not one of God turning a blind eye to our antics in the flesh...NO!!!...... So rather than lowering the standard to make more people walk in...we are to uphold the standard of God (even to our own hurt) and look to Him for the needed empowerment to fulfill the law. The law is holy. Only the holy ones in Christ will fulfill it.
#38 Believing in Jesus without the power to walk as Jesus is pointless in regards eternity.
#82 You are not a follower of Christ unless you are walking by His Spirit. Otherwise you are just claiming a belief in a scheme you have invented from a few bible verses.
#87 I (Epi) do not ALWAYS walk in the Spirit. (In another post I hope one day to find, he admits he still sometimes sins)
#90 But the soul that sins...it shall die.
Epi admits he still sins at times, hence he is not always walking in the Spirit. We see also Epi describes the law as holy and spiritual, just as described in Rom 7:12,14 of the 10 commandments. And remember that Epi said we are not immune to any law.
As for that question regarding what if professing Christian died whilst in disobedience…?
We see scripture differently and therefore see disobedience differently. A professing Christian in disobedience is one who is not believing God’s promise of salvation in Christ. For example some profess to know Christ yet by their works (of the law) they deny him. They are fornicator's, like Esau who sold his birthright (Heb 12:15,16).
As for behaviour/lifestyle in this imperfect physical life, we differ greatly.

To be continued. It's late here.

You questioned if I had never heard of perfect obedience to the law in this physical life. I have heard of a similar doctrine to yours. It was from the Seventh Day Adventists. Other than that I have not encountered such doctrine before.

[Episkopos]

Hi Epi,

You have consistently accused others here of unbelief/not abiding in Christ because they believe God's promise.
Yet you yourself have consistently shown that you are still in the flesh, in that old nature you accuse others here of. You deny Christ by your works.

That is why your being confronted here.

BTW, not only are churches a mission field but forums as well. You've been presented with the gospel and reject it. You have revealed yourself by this.

I am not in my "old nature". My old nature was crucified with Christ. I have a new nature as a new creation in Christ.

But my soul is in process of salvation. I am not always in the immediate presence of God....rather I don't always perceive His direct presence.

What indoctrinated ones cannot see is the purpose of God. Rather they quickly claim an end to the race even before they start.

Being born again in the heart by the Spirit is the beginning of a process to save the soul...not the end.

We are to work out our own salvation (of the soul) with fear and trembling. The Spirit deposit we have received upon conversion is likened to a talent (measure of wealth) that we must invest to return a profit to our Lord. If we do not make a profit with the deposit we are given...then we are rejected as unprofitable servants. I wish you could understand this Haz... Notice that in the parable we get a reward...not for what God gave us...but what WE DID WITH WHAT HE GAVE US.

Edited by Episkopos, 01 August 2012 - 08:42 AM.

[Strat]

Sorry, your sarcasm is lost on me.

It is not sarcasm but the sad reality of what is being peddled today as true christianity....come forward,have an"experience"....move on.....why do you think Jesus will say to some who thought they were saved,depart from me i never knew you ? which will catch these people by complete surprise.

Actually you misunderstand...read carefully what Whitestone is saying. He is talking about a new life in the Spirit according to the power of God. Not a human scheme for covering up sins

I agree it is not a human scheme,but it has been turned into one in the modern age by the modern church.

[Episkopos]

It is not sarcasm but the sad reality of what is being peddled today as true christianity....come forward,have an"experience"....move on.....why do you think Jesus will say to some who thought they were saved,depart from me i never knew you ? which will catch these people by complete surprise.




I agree it is not a human scheme,but it has been turned into one in the modern age by the modern church.

Then you are in agreement with Whitestone and myself!!!!

[dragonfly]

Hi haz,

Just a quick post before you hit the sack (go to bed).

Thanks for your further replies. I have to be offline for a while but will eventually post back to you. For now I just want to say one thing, which is, in respect to 'the 10 commandments' which you introduced to the conversation with Episkopos in his Falling from Grace thread, he himself has never brought the Mosaic law into his replies.

In a different thread (Rom 7 I think, or Rom 8) he has mentioned the law of God and the law of Christ (1 Cor 9) and in my reply to you I brought at least eight verses which mention laws or commandments which Christians are to 'keep'.

The point is, the keeping of the Mosaic law was a way to cover sin, but in the New Covenant, our sins are washed away in His blood.

Being both freed from the power of sin, and being now free to walk in righteousness (Rom 6), (and, beginning the process of having our minds renewed by the Holy Spirit and obedience to the Spirit), the power/grace to walk in His life is His resurrection working in us by the operation of the faith of God. Eph 3:7.

God has made all the fault on our side if we do not walk in His life. However, He is merciful - which is why He died for us - and if we sin, we may ask again for forgiveness.

This is not a notional forgiveness, but a true washing of our souls from the stain of sin.

[Episkopos]

Hi haz,

Just a quick post before you hit the sack (go to bed).

Thanks for your further replies. I have to be offline for a while but will eventually post back to you. For now I just want to say one thing, which is, in respect to 'the 10 commandments' which you introduced to the conversation with Episkopos in his Falling from Grace thread, he himself has never brought the Mosaic law into his replies.

In a different thread (Rom 7 I think, or Rom 8) he has mentioned the law of God and the law of Christ (1 Cor 9) and in my reply to you I brought at least eight verses which mention laws or commandments which Christians are to 'keep'.

The point is, the keeping of the Mosaic law was a way to cover sin, but in the New Covenant, our sins are washed away in His blood.

Being both freed from the power of sin, and being now free to walk in righteousness (Rom 6), (and, beginning the process of having our minds renewed by the Holy Spirit and obedience to the Spirit), the power/grace to walk in His life is His resurrection working in us by the operation of the faith of God. Eph 3:7.

God has made all the fault on our side if we do not walk in His life. However, He is merciful - which is why He died for us - and if we sin, we may ask again for forgiveness.

This is not a notional forgiveness, but a true washing of our souls from the stain of sin.

Very good...

The next day John sees Jesus coming to him, and said, Behold the Lamb of God, which takes away the sin of the world.

[whitestone]

no but any honest Christians will get the humor of a doctrine that unsaves Abraham himself! and the sad state of a so-called teacher that cant answer such a simple question. and not sure who is more to be made fun of? that false teacher or the poor people who follow such ignorant doctrine ? many will get it!

i bet if you guys keep working at it you can even unsave some of the Apostles? i know epi has tried to bring doubts on Pauls salvation! you might even get yourself to the cross and put your whole little group on it! then you guys can begin to unsave each other? who will be the last one of you guys saved is the only question now? we are waiting to see which of you guys is the real christ? by the way, my guess its the epi guy! but the whit stone guy looks pretty good too!

your doctrines are as sad as any i have seen! the mormons make you look silly? at least joseph smith had an angel and a little hat to look into! you guys need to get something cool like that!

I don't know you or anyone else here, but the spirit you manifest is ugly so far. I have been here a week or so and see the three who are filled with the Spirit of Holiness, Episkopos, Axhead and dragonfly, perhaps some others I hope.

Also, I've read through here and nothing that was said should have caused you to act evil or accuse others of being false teachers, nor has anyone introduced a "doctrine" as you claim, that Abraham isn't saved.

So you appear only to be a non-christian trouble maker so far from what I witness. But I hope you can show me otherwise.

Whitestone

Hi dragonfly,
I referred to that link you posted of Kidron’s topic on “how to understand you sin…’ and could not find any posts of yours. Were you perhaps meaning a different topic? Also, a reminder that I’m not following a lot of topics as I don’t have the time. It is likely that I have not read all your posts in other topics.
You suggested I should have a testimony like Episkopos and see Epi as my brother. This is hardly a persuasive argument especially considering the false gospel Epi has pushed here. Besides, Epi does not see many here as his brothers other than the likes of you, Axehead and Co.
Epi has demonstrated no spiritual understanding. Others here have described his gospel as an ‘on-again-off-again salvation’, ‘complicated’ and ‘obfuscation’, etc. It’s hard to imagine any sincere Christian would present themselves in such a manner when supposedly sharing the gospel. I suspect he does this deliberately, probably to try to deceive others here with a false gospel.
Anyway, below are some quotes taken from posts made by Epi. I couldn’t find all the quotes I hoped for but I don’t have the time to be searching any further. Also consider the quotes I posted earlier.
TOPIC: True Repentance Epi #18 You have made yourself a child of God by what you believe……….. Here if we measure delusion by the pound...it is far easier to justify yourself through a belief than through a work.
TOPIC: Are Christians sinners #23 The power of the gospel makes one walk exactly as Jesus did on earth. No difference. As Jesus IS so are WE in this world. So the victory over sin is not one of God turning a blind eye to our antics in the flesh...NO!!!...... So rather than lowering the standard to make more people walk in...we are to uphold the standard of God (even to our own hurt) and look to Him for the needed empowerment to fulfill the law. The law is holy. Only the holy ones in Christ will fulfill it.
#38 Believing in Jesus without the power to walk as Jesus is pointless in regards eternity.
#82 You are not a follower of Christ unless you are walking by His Spirit. Otherwise you are just claiming a belief in a scheme you have invented from a few bible verses.
#87 I (Epi) do not ALWAYS walk in the Spirit. (In another post I hope one day to find, he admits he still sometimes sins)
#90 But the soul that sins...it shall die.
Epi admits he still sins at times, hence he is not always walking in the Spirit. We see also Epi describes the law as holy and spiritual, just as described in Rom 7:12,14 of the 10 commandments. And remember that Epi said we are not immune to any law.
As for that question regarding what if professing Christian died whilst in disobedience…?
We see scripture differently and therefore see disobedience differently. A professing Christian in disobedience is one who is not believing God’s promise of salvation in Christ. For example some profess to know Christ yet by their works (of the law) they deny him. They are fornicator's, like Esau who sold his birthright (Heb 12:15,16).
As for behaviour/lifestyle in this imperfect physical life, we differ greatly.

To be continued. It's late here.

You questioned if I had never heard of perfect obedience to the law in this physical life. I have heard of a similar doctrine to yours. It was from the Seventh Day Adventists. Other than that I have not encountered such doctrine before.

The reason you haven't heard the doctrine episkopos repeats out of scripture is because you err not knowing scriptures Haz.

I haven't seen where episkopos says he still sins, you are welcome to copy and paste it. But I sure don't continue in sin. You can copy and paste that statement if you like, if you believe otherwise, you are welcome to tell me what my unrepentant sin(s) is.

Also, the statements you quoted of Episkopos, none of them are false statements, all true statemenst generated from within a man who is led by Christ, the Holy Spirit within Him, that gives knowledge wisdom and understanding in the deep things of the Spirit of God.

I have only seen that from a couple or so others here. I know them because the same Spirit of Christ is in me and we are One Body and know each other by His Spirit.

I don't know you nor do I care to, those of you who attack the pure Word of God as presented by Dragonfly, Axehead and Episdopos. For such folk are not known by Christ Jesus because they haven't asked Jesus to COME and LIVE within you/them and therefore is glaringly evident in your evil carnal speech and accusations, such as also obvious with Stan, Strat, Dave and Andy... so far...

Good day

[Axehead]

I WILL ASK BOTH OF YOU? IS ABRAHAM SAVED ACCORDING TO YOUR NONSENSE OF A DOCTRINE? AND FOR YOU epi WHO IS THE BOY OR GIRL IN YOUR SINS?

i know what you are! and sodom was a bad place to be!

Those accusatory words are VILE, Dave.

I guess your Gospel of Grace allows you to speak this way to others and harbor an unclean spirit.

Axehead