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Some addictions require professional help.  If you cannot just deter yourself from your addiction by yourself, look to see what kind of help is out there.  If you cannot afford professional assistance, look into what the local area offers for help.  Sometimes just a change of routine can get you on the right track.  Try that and see how you do.  God Bless.

 

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Someone059.......if I may......... You might find this a little harsh.......but trust me it is the truth.
 
I know exactly what you are going through just so happens.  :)
 
Here comes the truth.....anything else than this is a chasing of the wind.
 
You must ask Christ back into your life and ask for the forgiveness of sins.
If you don't do this then satan will let you think you are trying to get rid of this on your own.
And you will be, without God...he will  let you think you are getting help from Christians when
you are not...you are stuck in the same boat so to speak.
 
You will be riding a merry-go-round the rest of your entire life.
 
You must come to Christ and let Him fight this battle of yours.
 
It's up to you and you only....get the power of Jesus and let Him help you.
Without that personal relationship with Christ you have no armor and are vulnerable at all stages.
 
Now when you do this..and only when you do....will you see how to fight this piece of crap demon messin with ya.
 
Dear heavenly father keep your hand on someone059 and make him a mighty man of God.
 
Make him a WARRIOR FOR CHRIST :)

Maybe I should a little example here......
 
When I got born again.....26 years ago...you can't shut up about what Jesus had done for me. As ya can see I'm still goin strong :)
 
Example;;;;;;I saw some old friends one afternoon that I hadn't seen in a year...friends I use to party with...ya know..drugs, women, alcohol etc.
                   When I told them about how God delivered me from all that stuff this is what they told me.
  
                   "We stopped doing that stuff also....ya know starting to cut back"
 
Someone059...I'm sure you have heard the old sayin.....Death & Taxes
 
Well, it's really Heaven or Hell
Ya see........those friends didn't have Jesus, they were trying to quit on their own.
But...they might as well keep on doing that stuff...because in their eyes thier goodness still doesn't get them to heaven.
But hey..they stopped drinking...big deal in Jesus' eyes.
 
Jesus loves you  Someone059........and He stands and waits for His name to be called on by your name.
 
God Bless!
 
RANDOR

And all the answers above were really good also :)


This hits the nail on the head. It's an inside job. You can take all the external sources of sin away, but if the heart is ignored it will sooner or later rebel and all will be for nothing. I remember years ago sitting in the drivers seat of a VW bus I was living in at the time, my hands tightly gripping the steering wheel. I was literally white knuckling it. Sweating, praying for help, but I what I really wanted desperately was a drink. Eventually, I succumbed and just decided to go get a bottle. Here's where things got weird. The shakes and tremors just seemed to vanish as I decided to go get a bottle. I was trying so hard to resist temptation that the effort itself was what eventually caused me to give up. As I walked towards the liquor store, I suddenly realized that I was no longer struggling to resist getting a drink at all. It was all in my mind; my own thoughts had betrayed me. I just kept on walking for a while without thinking about anything, and eventually just went to bed without getting that bottle.

We're our own worst enemy, and it isn't about giving up those external sources of sin. It's our hearts that are the problem. Jesus points this out in his discussion with the Pharisees(Mark chapter 7). He points out that no amount of external tampering will clean our hearts; we're in an ontological state of defilement. In other words, God has to do it. We have to trust in God to do it for us.
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I've been addicted to pornography since I was 12. I'm 16 now and still have problems with it. I've told my dad about it two times, my youth pastor once, gone to youth camps time and time again, and still I carry this addiction. I'm too ashamed to tell them again, and I really want help from someone I don't know. When I was 12 I had a good relationship with the Lord, but over the years the relationship deceased. I really want that relationship back, I want to pray more again and read my Bible more again. Every time I want a change in my life, the temptation takes control of me and I go right back to where I started. Pornography isn't the only thing that changed my life, rap did as well. I know it's just music but, it changed me for the worst, for it has bad lyrics which have turned me into a cursing, brat. My friends are the ones that exposed it to me. When we were kids my friends were good and right with the Lord, but we all changed, and now I don't know about them. I really want to turn this life around, away from pornography, away from rap, and I want to have a relationship with the Lord. Honestly, I can't do this alone, I was hoping one of you on these forums with much wisdom and guidance from God could help me.
 
 

 

If you love Jesus you wouldn't watch porn bc porn watching drives the nails that Jesus took for your sin right back into His hands and feet, according to Hebrews 6. Struggle with porn? Throw out the computer or iPhone and get on your knees and beg God for deliverance. If you don't "cut off" or "pluck out" that which is standing in your way to heaven, you will most certainly not make heaven in the end, friend. Hard to do? Well, Jesus said, "My yoke is EASY and My burden LIGHT." The devil's yoke and burden starts out easy and light but as time goes by they begin to imperceptibly weigh us down and eventually crush the life out of us. When you decide to follow Jesus and stop breaking His commandments through this filthy fornication and adultery, at first His seems to be an IMPOSSIBLE yoke and burden but be assured friend - and I say this with absolute certainty - as time goes by those two will become LESS and LESS heavy and burdensome until finally you will be walking in continued victory over this sin with Jesus' yoke and burden feeling like you are walking on air. It's simply a matter of the will, friend. YOUR will. When the devil comes to you with his yoke and burden of porn, you are POWERLESS to resist him, but if you say as our Savior said, "No my will, but Thy will be done" and make the choice to resist him anyway, power from God is immediately poured into your life to strengthen and equip you to resist Satan and after the period of trial you will cause him to with his temptations flee far from you. Or, you can keep on looking at porn and eventually be lost, friend. Why would any of us exchange heaven for the cheap thrill of sexual indulgence, especially when heaven stands ready to help us as they watch Satan approach us with his temptations?


Edited by Phoneman777, 23 March 2017 - 02:42 PM.

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"He that saith, I know Him, and keepeth not His commandments is a LIAR and the truth is not in him."


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Hard to do?

Yes it is, and so many christians walking around feeling  guilty because teh worlds chrisians demand they change, something God does in His time not ours. I have yet to meet a sinless Christian and I doubt i will ever meet one before Christ return on heaven whichever comes first. People become new christians and they are told they must stop sinning by the people whos sins are worse than theirs. Guilt its teh devils favourite tool after teh flesh.


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The words that I SPEAK they are spirit and they are life. You search the scriptures, reading them thinking they bring you life, and they testify of Me yet you wont come to me so that you can have eternal life.


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I agree with Phoneman777 on this one.  Grace is not license to indulge in evil.  As Paul says,    “Why not say—as we are being slanderously reported as saying and as some claim that we say—“Let us do evil that good may result”? Their condemnation is deserved.” (Romans 3:8, NIV84)  

 

Those who are slaves to sin cannot be slaves to God.  Christ came to give us the power to put the sinful flesh to death so we can live renewed lives....not to give us excuses to continue in evil.  

 

Porn and other forms of sexual perversion should not be toyed with.  Flee it and do whatever it takes to try to turn from such evil.  Ultimately, God will need to transform such a person's heart, but I believe God's grace works in cooperation with us.  God fills those who hunger and thirst for righteousness.  But those who hunger and thirst for porn and evil should not expect that they will be transformed.  God responds to the needy and humble.  Consider the blind who cried out to Jesus.  Jesus ignored them until they could be ignored no longer.  Then they received their request to see.  That is the faith God desires.  God responds to those who, through passion and persistence, crave him and his righteousness above all other things.  Dont expect to give lip-service and continue to indulge the misdeeds of the flesh that God will one day take over your free will.  It just doesn't work that way.  

 

Ask, seek and knock...then the door will be opened.  


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Yes it is, and so many christians walking around feeling  guilty because teh worlds chrisians demand they change, something God does in His time not ours. I have yet to meet a sinless Christian and I doubt i will ever meet one before Christ return on heaven whichever comes first. People become new christians and they are told they must stop sinning by the people whos sins are worse than theirs. Guilt its teh devils favourite tool after teh flesh.

There you go again denying the truth. You should read Wormwood's comments. Jesus commands you to "go and sin no more", but you insist He said "go and cut down on your sinning". Until one exchanges his love of sinful pleasure for a new love for Jesus and His empowerment He gives us to live a holy, pure life, he will continue to cover his sin with pathetic false hope of a false gospel, which says Jesus died for me so that I can keep on doing the things that made necessary His death in the first place.

 

As a masculine male and veteran of a foreign war, it offends me to no end to hear so called "Christian men" whine about how they can't overcome sin. The same kind of wimps that would cover in fear in the face of danger instead of fighting manfully onward. Thank God the "fearful" will not be in heaven. They deserve in the Day of Judgment the humility of having their cowardly loins spill out all over the place just like Satan cowered in fear for his own existence amidst the chaos when God manifested His might and power during the destruction of the Deluge. 


Edited by Phoneman777, 28 March 2017 - 02:28 PM.

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"He that saith, I know Him, and keepeth not His commandments is a LIAR and the truth is not in him."


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As a masculine male and veteran of a foreign war, it offends me to no end to hear so called "Christian men" whine about how they can't overcome sin.

Yes and I know lots of christians who love to boast, i have nothing to boast of, but His grace and love for me.

 

 

he will continue to cover his sin with pathetic false hope of a false gospel, which says Jesus died for me so that I can keep on doing the things that made necessary His death in the first place

Well if grace is false hope, again you have just condemned all of mankind to death. So many christians troubled by sin, because christianty tells the Jesus didnt die for all of you sins. just todays. And that is teh greatest lie of all that keeps men in bondage through unbelief.


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The words that I SPEAK they are spirit and they are life. You search the scriptures, reading them thinking they bring you life, and they testify of Me yet you wont come to me so that you can have eternal life.


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Yes and I know lots of christians who love to boast, i have nothing to boast of, but His grace and love for me.

 

Well if grace is false hope, again you have just condemned all of mankind to death. So many christians troubled by sin, because christianty tells the Jesus didnt die for all of you sins. just todays. And that is teh greatest lie of all that keeps men in bondage through unbelief.

You don't preach "grace", friend. You preach "presumption". Presumption says "I'll keep sinning bc God's grace will cover it" but the wisest man God ever blessed with wisdom says, "He that covereth his sins shall not prosper, but whosoever confesseth and forsaketh his sins shall have mercy."

 

You do indeed boast, friend - the worst kind of boasting that one can make and you don't even see it. You boast that you have power over God to force Him to cover your presumptuous sins with his grace, when Solomon plainly says God's covering for our sins is predicated on our willingness to turn and forsake them, not repeat them with each new day.  The cover for your sins which you possess is not from God, but a cover of your own making. If you continue down this path of false grace, false hope, false mercy, false covering for your sins, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven, friend. Let JESUS cover your sins by first forgiving them and then empowering you to forsake and turn from them. Choose ye this day.


Edited by Phoneman777, 01 April 2017 - 04:40 AM.

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"He that saith, I know Him, and keepeth not His commandments is a LIAR and the truth is not in him."


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You don't preach "grace", friend. You preach "presumption". Presumption says "I'll keep sinning bc God's grace will cover it" but the wisest man God ever blessed with wisdom says, "He that covereth his sins shall not prosper, but whosoever confesseth and forsaketh his sins shall have mercy."

Rom_12:3  For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

 

YEs i teach grace by faith, you teach works.

 

Eph_2:8  For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

 

When one pays for something its no longer a gift, and no longer by faith.

 

Eph 2:9  Not of works, lest any man should boast.

 

Rom_9:32  Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

 

 

Let JESUS cover your sins by first forgiving them and then empowering you to forsake and turn from them. Choose ye this day.

I did so many years ago, I have even being in teh presence off God, was that by my works no it was because of faith in Christ and putting on His righteousness and not my own.

 

So you can boast of how good you are, and I ll boast to thew world of how good He is..

 

And when you stop sinning, please come and tell teh world how you did it, and how it is that you no longer need His greace because you perfected yourself through your own works, snd so therefore Jesus sacrifice is no longer valid for you,

 

Luk 18:10  Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
Luk 18:11  The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
Luk 18:12  I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
Luk 18:13  And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
Luk 18:14  I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

 

Whch one are you going to be??


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The words that I SPEAK they are spirit and they are life. You search the scriptures, reading them thinking they bring you life, and they testify of Me yet you wont come to me so that you can have eternal life.


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mj, 

 

You are creating a straw man.  No one is saying we become perfect or no longer need grace.  You continually misrepresent others to make your argument sound better.  This is deceptive and unfair.  You really need to stop doing this because this is a very dishonest form of rhetoric.

 

The issue here is does repentance precede grace or does grace precede repentance.  I believe the Bible teaches that repentance and humility comes first.  God gives grace to the humble and repentant.  Repentance does not mean we become perfect or no longer need grace.  It does, however, mean that we become serious about living a new life and turning away from words and behaviors that are ungodly and wicked.  You should consider that passage of the tax collector and the Pharisee, yourself.   The tax collector beat his chest and cried to God for mercy.  This is true repentance.  The Pharisee felt he didn't need to change and that he was okay with God just how he was.  Phoneman and I are arguing that a person needs to be like the tax collector who cries out to God humbly and desires with all their heart to turn from their sin.  These are the ones who receive grace and help in their time of need.  Those who feel they can continue in sin and do not weep or mourn over their sin should not expect they will receive grace.  They are like the Pharisee who thinks they are just fine because they are "favored" by God.  


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These are the ones who receive grace and help in their time of need.  Those who feel they can continue in sin and do not weep or mourn over their sin should not expect they will receive grace.  They are like the Pharisee who thinks they are just fine because they are "favored" by God.

Have I really upset you taht much, are your toes hurting. As my friend dicussed teh other day. When people are not saved tehy are fine and happy, more or less. Than they become christians, all of a sudden they are told they must be perfect, Soon they are walking in fear, and unbelief, soon that life that Jesus promised is being stolen because christianity spends most of its time condeming its own. No, how dare you go to Jesus, how dare you have life in Him, how dare you follow Him, you must come to us, If you want Jesus we have the door, and we will let you near if if we choose. No you dont, you and religion and chuirh has nothing on Jesus, and has nothing it can Give that God and Jesus cant give nothing, but it keeps people from God.

 

Joh 10:1  Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

Joh 10:2  But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.

 

Joh 10:9  I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.


Edited by mjrhealth, 01 April 2017 - 11:12 PM.

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The words that I SPEAK they are spirit and they are life. You search the scriptures, reading them thinking they bring you life, and they testify of Me yet you wont come to me so that you can have eternal life.


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Lol.  No, I am not mad in any way.  If you are reading that in my comments, that is your own projection.  Again, your response was nothing but a straw man and you continue to create arguments that I am not making in order to justify yourself.  Anyway, I'll move along since I can see you are creating your own imaginary dialogue again instead of responding to my actual remarks.  


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