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I got an Olive Wood cross the other day (a necklace). After I got it, I did some research and I guess it's a Gothic style cross. Is it still Holy? I'm adding a picture of the cross. I want a cross to wear so I can hold it when I pray and because wearing one just makes me feel safer. And I can't wear metal.

 

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Jewelery is not holy and the cross definitely was never holy. It was an instrument of torture and death. Yes it conveys what our savior went through for us but that's it, it reminds us of Him, but it is not holy.
He is Holy! Amen?

BTW, WELCOME TO CB. :)

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Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who doesn't need to be ashamed, correctly teaching the word of truth. 2 Tim 2:15 (NIV)

Let your conversation be always full of grace, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how to answer everyone. Col 4:6 (NIV)

 


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Before that question can be answered one would have to know what YOUR definition of the word "holy" is?


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I got an Olive Wood cross the other day (a necklace). After I got it, I did some research and I guess it's a Gothic style cross. Is it still Holy? I'm adding a picture of the cross. I want a cross to wear so I can hold it when I pray and because wearing one just makes me feel safer. And I can't wear metal.

 

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It's a pretty cross dear but it has no power in itself. It's a lovely reminder of what Christ did for us on the cross and how he rose again and sits on the right hand of the Father forever interceding on our behalf. That in itself gives us hope...Bless you!


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It's a pretty cross dear but it has no power in itself. It's a lovely reminder of what Christ did for us on the cross and how he rose again and sits on the right hand of the Father forever interceding on our behalf. That in itself gives us hope...Bless you!

 

My sentiments exactly.  Jesus is the one who is holy.


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I have found that crosses alone do not protect you.  It has no special power my dear.

 

ho·ly
ˈhōlē/
adjective
 
  1. 1.
    dedicated or consecrated to God or a religious purpose; sacred.
     
     
    Try consecrating it to God.  Look on google for a prayer to do so.

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I have found that crosses alone do not protect you.  It has no special power my dear.

 

ho·ly
ˈhōlē/
adjective
 
  1. 1.
    dedicated or consecrated to God or a religious purpose; sacred.
     
     
    Try consecrating it to God.  Look on google for a prayer to do so.

 

 

Why would you wear a cross or even use holy water for "protection"? 

 

Don't you know He is in you? And don't you know He who is in you is mightier than he who is outside in the world?


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Let brotherly love continue.

Pride comes before destruction, and an arrogant spirit before a fall. Better to be lowly of spirit with the humble than to divide plunder with the proud.


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Why would you wear a cross or even use holy water for "protection"? 

 

Don't you know He is in you? And don't you know He who is in you is mightier than he who is outside in the world?

 

I think catholics do it.


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I have found that crosses alone do not protect you.  It has no special power my dear.

 

ho·ly
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adjective
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    dedicated or consecrated to God or a religious purpose; sacred.
     
    Try consecrating it to God.  Look on google for a prayer to do so.

 

 

The definition of the word "consecrated": dedicated to a sacred purpose

 

sacred defined: connected with God

 

One could say "The Cross" is dedicated for a sacred purpose. The purpose is to help us to remember Him and his sacrifice. When we wear it or display it in our home it shows others we are "dedicated to God or a religious purpose"!   So I would say it is a SYMBOL of holiness but not holy in of itself!

 

HOWEVER, we still have not heard from still learning what THEY think the word holy means or what it means to them!


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The American Century Dictionary defines "Holy" as follows.  First, it is an adjective (a picture word)  "1.  Morally and spiritually excellent or perfect.  2; Belonging to or devoted to God.  3. Consecrated, sacred.  (OE rel. to whole)"  Mierriam-Webster's CollegiateThesaurus  gives alternatives for the word "Holy".  "Dedicated to the service of or set apart by religion.  sacred, divine, spiritual, religious, blessed.  rel.  hallowed, consecrated, dedicated; adored, worshiped, venerated, reverenced revered, devout, pious, religious".

 

I'll share with you what was said to me by the Chaplain when I was in prison.  First off, I agree with Stan that the cross was a form of horrific torture.  Now here's where the chaplain comes in.  He told me that the cross represents the trinity, Father, Son, Holy spirit.  With Jesus hanging on the cross (which you will see quite frequently) then the instrument of torture is what you see.  If the cross does not have Jesus on it, it means that he did not die.  He escaped the torture and now lives eternally.  Did you know that Jesus was the only one that could release his spirit voluntarily?   Anyway, just something to think about.  Hope all these replies don't confuse you but it's well worth it to see how other people, further along at their walk than I am.  One word of caution.  If you do choose to wear it, some people (of the faith and not of the faith) may see it as an attention getter.  "Look at me, I'm a Christian".  I am firm in my heart that I am a Christian.  Personally, it's not necessary for me to wear a cross.  If they look, people will see how I walk, and let me tell you, it's so far from what I used to be, it really is a miracle.

 

Peace.  Get the guidance of everyone here and pray about it. 

 

Dave


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Heb_12:2  Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

 

Do you need to remind Him??

 

The cross is only the beginning of our story, we must get past it if we wish to

 

Mat_7:14  Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

 

One must die if one desires to live.


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The words that I SPEAK they are spirit and they are life. You search the scriptures, reading them thinking they bring you life, and they testify of Me yet you wont come to me so that you can have eternal life.


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I agree with Angela. I encourage you to hold it when you pray.  It makes you feel safe by virtue of what it represents.

BTW, it's a beautiful cross. Earthly physical objects can be set aside for God's purposes, contrary to the Docetic / Manachaen heresies that divide matter and spirit, but never mind that, I don't want to derail the thread.


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A lot of Christians do wear crosses, but what counts is by faith to know "peace by the blood of His cross" (Colossians 1.20).

 

Some Christians also get tattoos with crosses or Christian fish signs <><, etc., like on their wrists.


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I got an Olive Wood cross the other day (a necklace). After I got it, I did some research and I guess it's a Gothic style cross. Is it still Holy? I'm adding a picture of the cross. I want a cross to wear so I can hold it when I pray and because wearing one just makes me feel safer. And I can't wear metal.

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Wood or metal can not make you feel safe, you're projecting your faith on an idol.
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I got an Olive Wood cross the other day (a necklace). After I got it, I did some research and I guess it's a Gothic style cross. Is it still Holy? I'm adding a picture of the cross. I want a cross to wear so I can hold it when I pray and because wearing one just makes me feel safer. And I can't wear metal.

 

 attachicon.gifcross2.jpg

 

Nothing holy about it.. Nothing wrong with wearing it either.. But its just a symbol of what you believe (Christian). If it makes you feel good or safe, its no sin to embrace what it represents to you (metal or wood)... jmo


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Worship of God Via Natural Images (vs. Jim Drickamer)

 

The words of Reformed Baptist elder Jim Drickamer will be in italics.

 

Some of our Protestant brethren (mainly Calvinists but some other denominations as well) have an almost obsessive fear of any image associated with worship at all, thinking that all such manifestations are examples of idolatry and undue exaltation of a “graven image”.

 

Fear of true idolatry potentially being present is absolutely prudent, as that is a serious sin. An irrational, almost obsessive fear (often exhibited by those of the Reformed persuasion) of every image necessarily being 1) a graven image, and 2) idolatrous in terms of how it is being viewed and used by Catholics, is unreasonable. Usually critiques of same result from incorrect premises and an inadequate understanding of the Catholic rationale for such things. This particular article was not about man-made images, but about images in nature that represented God, by God’s own statements and revelations of Himself.

 

Exodus 20: 4-5

 

One must not make a mere man-made item a replacement for God (idolatry).

 

“This has led some fanatical elements to oppose even crucifixes and statues of Christ as idols. In other words, all images whatsoever are collapsed in this wrongheaded mentality into the category of the “graven image” in the Ten Commandments.”\

 

I would contend that very few people are so stupid as to think that a wooden crucifix or plaster statue of Christ is Christ Himself, and to be worshiped. They are simply devotional aids, just as virtually all Christians would accept painted portraits of Jesus as pious items that help us reflect on our wonderful Lord and Savior and what He has done for us, making it possible to be saved from our sins and go to heaven one day. 

 

“But the Bible doesn’t take this view at all...Exodus 33:8-10  Note that the pillar of cloud is:

1) a creation (water, if a literal cloud;

2) visual, hence an image; and

3) thought to directly represent God Himself.

 

This...is about the prohibition of any images associated with God and worship: not just man-made ones. It’s a larger, more all-encompassing subject matter, directed to those opposed to any and all religious images in worship, whether man-made or natural. The biblical texts provided decisively refute this silly view, in my opinion. This passage...is precisely and perfectly relevant to my subject matter. I deal with man-made religious objects in these two papers:

Bible on Physical Objects as Aids in Worship

Crucifixes: Abominable Idols or Devotional Aids?

 

Exodus 33:8-10  Drickamer: This verse also says that when the people saw the cloud, they would rise up and worship. It does not, however, say they would worship the cloud, the image. So the cloud is not a forbidden image.

 

They were worshiping God, with the cloud as a direct visual image of Him or “representative” of Him being right there in the location where the cloud was. Of course it’s not forbidden. It’s in the Bible. So it wipes out the most extreme iconoclastic position: extending to all images whatever: even natural ones.

 

It’s also a supernatural manifestation, which is a major difference compared to any true idol made by the hands of men; but that would make no difference for those who mistakenly hold that any image whatsoever associated with God is impermissible. The problem comes when God Himself expressly sanctions such images, and worship in conjunction with them, as here.

 

But the issue is not whether an image is associated with God. It depends on how the image is associated with God. In the image of the cloud, it is associated with God, because He is the Creator of the image. No man made it. This is permissible according to the commandment. On the other hand, if an image is associated with God, because a man made it in a likeness which reminds him of God, then it would be forbidden. A man made it.

 

So you contend that there can be no such thing as a legitimate statue of Christ or a crucifix? They must necessarily be idols? If so, I think it’s beyond silly, as is the whole iconoclastic heresy that the Church condemned many centuries ago. Those are the direct images of God in play. They’re not idols, nor are they themselves worshiped; they are devotional aids to help concentrate one’s mind on God.

 

The same iconoclasts (opposers of images) have to explain away things like the burning bush (Ex 3:2-6), which is not only fire, but also called an “angel of the Lord” (Ex 3:2), yet also “God” (3:4, 6, 11, 13-16, 18; 4:5, 7-8) and “the LORD” (3:7, 16, 18; 4:2, 4-6, 10-11, 14) interchangeably. An angel is a creation (as is fire and cloud); yet God chose to use a created being and inanimate objects to visibly represent Him. Several similar instances occur in the Old Testament.

 

These are more, very poor examples. The burning bush was not man made nor was it worshipped. It is not prohibited. An angel is not man made, but at times when men did worship angels, as in Revelation 22: 8-9, they were told to stop and only worship God. Thus, Dave, you have not yet provided an example of a man made image that God permitted men to worship.

 

Of course I haven’t, because it wasn’t the purpose of my paper, which you seem unable to grasp. I dealt with the man-made images in the two papers (links) I cited above... 

 

2 Chronicles 7:1-4

 

They bowed down to the fire, precisely because it represented God. If it didn’t represent Him, then they would be committing idolatry (worshiping fire as God). But the text makes clear that their actions were good and permissible.

 

I think the bottom line deals with worship. The worship of an image is sinful. It should not be done. This would include images of Christ. An image of Christ should not be worshipped. Instead, Christ should be worshipped.

 

That’s exactly what we Catholics do: we worship Christ: through images at times.

 

The commandment from Exodus 20 prohibits making an image. I worry about splitting hairs. If I have an image I did not make, is that permissible?  I would be concerned with images particularly in the sanctuary of a church. It seems to me that having images in a place of worship might lead people inadvertently to think they should worship them. At the very least, I think the church leaders should make it clear to everyone that worshipping the idols is forbidden.

 

. . . which the Catholic Church has always done. Everyone understands that these are visual aids to devotion to God...

 

see Worship of God Via Natural Images (vs. Jim Drickamer) for full text


Edited by kepha31, 20 January 2017 - 11:13 PM.

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I got an Olive Wood cross the other day (a necklace). After I got it, I did some research and I guess it's a Gothic style cross. Is it still Holy? I'm adding a picture of the cross. I want a cross to wear so I can hold it when I pray and because wearing one just makes me feel safer. And I can't wear metal.

 

 attachicon.gifcross2.jpg

Not sure what you mean by Holy.

 

It's nice. I would wear it or give it to someone.

 

That's my two cents worth.

 

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Not sure what you mean by Holy.

 

It's nice. I would wear it or give it to someone.

 

That's my two cents worth.

 

Mary

 

Not sure what you mean by Holy.

 

It's nice. I would wear it or give it to someone.

 

That's my two cents worth.

 

Mary

 

Not sure what you mean by Holy.

 

It's nice. I would wear it or give it to someone.

 

That's my two cents worth.

 

Mary

 

 

Not sure what you mean by Holy.

 

It's nice. I would wear it or give it to someone.

 

That's my two cents worth.

 

Mary

 

 

 

a cross is Protestant idolatry as just two pieces of deadwood signifying nothing but a Catholic crucifix is not idolatry for it tells of a human crucified and why and who this human was INRI and why He was crucified and on the reverse that He rose from the cross and death etc - it looks as if you have a crucifix - twinc


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a cross is Protestant idolatry as just two pieces of deadwood signifying nothing but a Catholic crucifix is not idolatry for it tells of a human crucified and why and who this human was INRI and why He was crucified and on the reverse that He rose from the cross and death etc - it looks as if you have a crucifix - twinc

 

twinc-

 

Per the CB rules...

 

"Do not state or imply that another member or group of members who have identified themselves as Christian are not Christians."

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"Excessive posts either attempting to either push a single denomination (or group) or attacking another denomination are included in this rule.'

 

So please obey the rules of this site and do not start another Catholic vs Protestant shouting match.  Thank you.


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Good post, my old school principal shared a testimony during school assembly once, about the time he was a non-Christian, he and his mates were playing with a Ouija board, and ye just to summarize it, because i don't remember the whole story, it got nasty, demons were pretty much running all over the place, demonic activity was happening and his friends well they were floating in the air or something crazy happened like that, it was a pretty wild testimony. But the principal was wearing a cross around his neck, he wasn't a Christian at the time, and a demon repeatedly said. "I don't like that cross!" and from memory the demons were touching all his friends but him, because he was wearing that cross, and the demons did not like it, it was like they were scared of that cross, and they were scared to touch him because of that cross, even though he was a non-Christian. 

 

But it's amazing isn't it.  :D


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