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Basically, Calvinism is known by an acronym: T.U.L.I.P.

Total Depravity (also known as Total Inability and Original Sin)
Unconditional Election
Limited Atonement (also known as Particular Atonement)
Irresistible Grace
Perseverance of the Saints (also known as Once Saved Always Saved)

These five categories do not comprise Calvinism in totality. They simply represent some of its main points.

Calvinism is a man made philosophy depending on fallible human logic which total ignores many clear Scriptures, perverts many, and misuses others. Long before John Calvin's time the teaching was presented by the Roman Catholic heretic Augustine. Here are some Scriptures soundly refute the errors of the Calvinist TULIP:

T = TOTAL INABILITY (Called in Calvinism, Total Depravity, but actually taught as the Total Inability of man to choose Truth. The Calvinist plays many such word games. The Word of God teaches that God created man with the ability to reason, choose, and receive Truth.):


Ephesians 2:8: "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God."

Romans 10:17: "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God."

James 1:21: "Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and RECEIVE with meekness the engrafted Word, which is able to save your souls."

Isaiah1:18: "Come now, and let us REASON together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool."

Deuteronomy 30:19: "I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore CHOOSE LIFE, that both thou and thy seed may live."

Joshua 24:15: "And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, CHOOSE you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD."

Psalm 119:30, 111, 173: "I have CHOSEN The Way of Truth: Thy Judgments have I laid before me....Thy Testimonies have I taken as an heritage for ever: for They are the rejoicing of my heart....Let Thine hand help me; for I have chosen Thy Precepts."

John 1:12: "But as many as RECEIVED him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name."

2 Timothy 1:12: "...I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have COMMITTED unto him against that day."

U = UNCONDITIONAL ELECTION (Calvinism teaches that God selects those who are to be saved without any condition, but the Bible teaches that there is one condition to salvation: faith.):

1 Peter 1:2: "Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ..."

2 Thessalonians 2:13: "...God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the Truth."

Luke 7:50: "... Thy faith hath saved thee ..."

Ephesians 2:8: "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God."

L = LIMITED ATONEMENT (Calvinism teaches that Christ died only for the elect, but the Bible teaches that He died for all mankind. The reason not all are saved is because they failed to repent and receive the Saviour, not because He didn't provide for their salvation.):

Isaiah 53:6: "All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us ALL."

1 Timothy 4:10: "For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of ALL MEN, specially of those that believe."

1 John 2:2: "And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of THE WHOLE WORLD."

Hebrews 2:9: "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that He by the grace of God should taste death for EVERY MAN."

1 Timothy 2:4: "Who will have ALL MEN to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the Truth."


I = IRRESISTIBLE GRACE (Calvinism teaches that God's grace for salvation cannot be resisted, but the Word of God says it can be resisted):

Lamentations 3:35-36: "To turn aside the right of a man before the face of the most High, To subvert a man in his cause, the Lord approveth not."

Matthew 23:37: "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and YE WOULD NOT!"

John 5:39-40: "Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. And YE WILL NOT come to me, that ye might have life."

Acts 7:51: "Ye stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always RESIST the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye."

Proverbs 1:24-26: "Because I have called, and YE REFUSED; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded; But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof: I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh."

Proverbs 29:1: "He, that being often reproved HARDENETH HIS NECK, shall suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy."


P = PERSEVERANCE (The Bible teaches preservation of the saints; not perseverance of the saints):

Jude 1: "... to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and PRESERVED in Jesus Christ..."

1 Thessalonians 5:23-24: "And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly: and I pray God your whole spirit and soul, and body be PRESERVED blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it. "

John 10:27-29: "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life: and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them out of my Fathers hand."

Colossians 3:3-4: "For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory."

Hebrews 7:25: "Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them."


CONCLUSION:

Calvinism clearly errs from the teaching of the Word of God on all 5 points of it's TULIP. The logical conclusion of Calvinism is that God is an unfair respecter of persons who chooses people to salvation, not according to any standard that He established, but arbitrarily. This strikes at the love and justice of God, contradicts the fact that Christ gave his life for ALL, and rejects man's responsibility to choose and love his Creator.

Proverbs 24:23: "... It is not good to have respect of persons in judgment."

Acts 10:34-35: "... Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: But in every nation he that feareth Him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with Him."

John 6:28-29: "... What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? ... This is the work of God, that ye believe on Him whom He hath sent.

Ephesians 2:8: "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God."

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That is a good doctrine to refute!

 

OSAS.... Once Saved Always Saved... I have known Baptist people who I believe have attained this. They have such a character about them that I cannot imagine them ever backsliding or loosing their salvation. And I have never questioned their salvation. Even at work today I know a few still like this... But they are all over 60 years old.

I know a woman at work who is the same age I am. We started talking and becoming friends and I found out she was Baptist. She told me one time that she did not see anything wrong with sex before marriage. She also put me in mind of the girls at my childhood church who were caught smoking dope.

I challenged her on this statement and her reply was... Are you trying to threaten my salvationclear.png We have since ceased our friendship.

OSAS... If anybody claims eternal security I would like to spend time with them and see what is in their character. If their character is such that lines up with the word of God then yes... I will buy into their eternal security thing. However... If there are sinful things going on such as partying, fornication, and adultery I will conclude that they are a long way from eternal security...


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The only point I disagree on is that of 'limited atonement'. 

 

Why do you say in Calvinism God chooses arbitrarily?   

 

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That is a good doctrine to refute!

 

OSAS.... Once Saved Always Saved... I have known Baptist people who I believe have attained this. They have such a character about them that I cannot imagine them ever backsliding or loosing their salvation. And I have never questioned their salvation. Even at work today I know a few still like this... But they are all over 60 years old.

I know a woman at work who is the same age I am. We started talking and becoming friends and I found out she was Baptist. She told me one time that she did not see anything wrong with sex before marriage. She also put me in mind of the girls at my childhood church who were caught smoking dope.

I challenged her on this statement and her reply was... Are you trying to threaten my salvationclear.png We have since ceased our friendship.

OSAS... If anybody claims eternal security I would like to spend time with them and see what is in their character. If their character is such that lines up with the word of God then yes... I will buy into their eternal security thing. However... If there are sinful things going on such as partying, fornication, and adultery I will conclude that they are a long way from eternal security...

 

And does your character measure up to God's?   I'm sure yours is better than mine, but I am not the one to compare to.

 

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The only point I disagree on is that of 'limited atonement'. 
 
Why do you say in Calvinism God chooses arbitrarily?   
 
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I didn't say anything here Stranger, I quoted an article and you can see the link to that article at the bottom of my post. The conclusion that the author arrived at is true and if you accept this petal of the TULIP Doctrine, then you have to believe that God chooses arbitrarily, the fact is he doesn't, he died for the world, he died for all men. God provided Redemption for mankind and gives us the choice whether to accept it or not, that is totally what scripture teaches.
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And does your character measure up to God's?   I'm sure yours is better than mine, but I am not the one to compare to.
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It's not a matter of measuring up to God's character because none of us can, that is why Jesus ushered in the New Covenant and he is the one that provides the righteousness we need to be found justified in God's sight.
All we have to do is accept God's provision in Jesus.
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Well, as I said, I don't hold to 'limited atonement', but the other points I pretty much agree with.  I'm sure there are hyper-calvinists who have points I would disagree with also.  But, even if I did hold to all five points, I think John Henry is mistaken in saying it makes God's choosing arbitrary.   

 

Take the 'unconditional election'.  I agree with it. We are chosen. (Eph.1:4) "According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world...."   Now I will say there is nothing in me or any other that would merit this choice.  In other words, God did not look down and say 'Oh I could really use this one'.  But I wouldn't say God's choice is arbitrary either.  He knows those who are His.  I touched on this in the 'Cain and Able' discussion.  

 

I have no problem in God's choosing and man having to come by faith.  Both are true.  This is the way God has chosen for that one who is elect to come to Him.  His eyes are opened, his reasoning affected, and he comes to Christ.   And of course for this to happen you first have Christians witnessing showing this one what to believe.  God has His elect, and He knows who they are, but He doesn't tell me who they are.  So we witness to all, trusting in the Holy Spirit to do His work.

 

I believe Christ in (John 6:37) says it very well. " All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out."

 

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Well, as I said, I don't hold to 'limited atonement', but the other points I pretty much agree with.  I'm sure there are hyper-calvinists who have points I would disagree with also.  But, even if I did hold to all five points, I think John Henry is mistaken in saying it makes God's choosing arbitrary.   
 
Take the 'unconditional election'.  I agree with it. We are chosen. (Eph.1:4) "According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world...."   Now I will say there is nothing in me or any other that would merit this choice.  In other words, God did not look down and say 'Oh I could really use this one'.  But I wouldn't say God's choice is arbitrary either.  He knows those who are His.  I touched on this in the 'Cain and Able' discussion.  
 
I have no problem in God's choosing and man having to come by faith.  Both are true.  This is the way God has chosen for that one who is elect to come to Him.  His eyes are opened, his reasoning affected, and he comes to Christ.   And of course for this to happen you first have Christians witnessing showing this one what to believe.  God has His elect, and He knows who they are, but He doesn't tell me who they are.  So we witness to all, trusting in the Holy Spirit to do His work.
 
I believe Christ in (John 6:37) says it very well. " All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out."
 
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I'm not really sure what you're alluding to now Stranger? I think it's best if you quote the sections of the OP you're not in agreement with and explain why, because your response here is basically out of context.
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This is why I don't like 'links' instead of ones own statements.  Now you say your confused.  Ok.  I stated what I did based on John Henry's statements.  Which you apparently agree with.  All I can say  is you can disagree with what I said and then make your own arguments as to why.  

 

Where is it that I am out of context?  With the Bible?  With John Henry? With you?    What is it you believe?  

 

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This is why I don't like 'links' instead of ones own statements.  Now you say your confused.  Ok.  I stated what I did based on John Henry's statements.  Which you apparently agree with.  All I can say  is you can disagree with what I said and then make your own arguments as to why.  
 
Where is it that I am out of context?  With the Bible?  With John Henry? With you?    What is it you believe?  
 
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The OP was copied & pasted from the link, but I have to quote the link for legality purposes. All you need to do is quote parts of the OP that you're having problems with.
If you don't know how to quote the original post then ask the admin how to do so.
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The OP was copied & pasted from the link, but I have to quote the link for legality purposes. All you need to do is quote parts of the OP that you're having problems with.
If you don't know how to quote the original post then ask the admin how to do so.

 

I was clear in what I said.  I asked you, where am I out of context.  Simple question.   

 

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I was clear in what I said.  I asked you, where am I out of context.  Simple question.   
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Not from where I'm sitting, which is the point when discussing with someone, because as I said you didn't give me any context. Do you understand how discussion forums work? Do you see how it quote you in this post? That is what you're supposed to do when you want to address a certain part of a post or all of the post. Put it in context. If you're not willing to then I guess we have nothing to discuss.
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I discussed the authors use of the term 'arbitrarily' and how I believe he was mistaken.  I explained why.  How is that out of context?

 

If you don't want to discuss it that's fine.   

 

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I discussed the authors use of the term 'arbitrarily' and how I believe he was mistaken.  I explained why.  How is that out of context?
 
If you don't want to discuss it that's fine.   
 
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You obviously are too stubborn to admit you don't know how to use the program and insist on commenting without quoting the post you are referring to. That is your choice so I won't bother commenting any further on your posts.
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You obviously are too stubborn to admit you don't know how to use the program and insist on commenting without quoting the post you are referring to. That is your choice so I won't bother commenting any further on your posts.

 

That is probably a good idea.   

 

You're knowledge is apparently quick internet production.  Which means the knowledge is not really yours, its just something you can reproduce.  But when questions come,  you can't answer.  Because you havn't gone through the study yourself.  It is only when you do the study yourself, that you can answer the questions that will come.  

 

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That is probably a good idea.   
 
You're knowledge is apparently quick internet production.  Which means the knowledge is not really yours, its just something you can reproduce.  But when questions come,  you can't answer.  Because you havn't gone through the study yourself.  It is only when you do the study yourself, that you can answer the questions that will come.  
 
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Now you're just being deliberately ignorant and pugnacious... Nobody's knowledge is of their own, they get it from other people and that's always been the case as there's nothing original in thought as far as the Bible or God is concerned, it's just a matter of us apprehending that truth. John 20:30-31
I don't waste my time trying to put truth into my own words when it's already in somebody else's words. I don't try to take credit for original thought like some people do. Most people who aren't capable of original thought never have any and aren't capable but understanding it when they see it.
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Now you're just being deliberately ignorant and pugnacious... Nobody's knowledge is of their own, they get it from other people and that's always been the case as there's nothing original in thought as far as the Bible or God is concerned, it's just a matter of us apprehending that truth. John 20:30-31
I don't waste my time trying to put truth into my own words when it's already in somebody else's words. I don't try to take credit for original thought like some people do. Most people who aren't capable of original thought never have any and aren't capable but understanding it when they see it.

 

Knowledge becomes yours when you do the work of studying your topic.  Just having an  internet link doesn't make you knowledgeable  on the subject.   From what I have experienced in your conversation, you don't put things in your words because you can't.  When questions come, you can't answer them.  

 

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Basically, Calvinism is known by an acronym: T.U.L.I.P.

Total Depravity (also known as Total Inability and Original Sin)
Unconditional Election
Limited Atonement (also known as Particular Atonement)
Irresistible Grace
Perseverance of the Saints (also known as Once Saved Always Saved)

These five categories do not comprise Calvinism in totality. They simply represent some of its main points.

Calvinism is a man made philosophy depending on fallible human logic which total ignores many clear Scriptures, perverts many, and misuses others. Long before John Calvin's time the teaching was presented by the Roman Catholic heretic Augustine. Here are some Scriptures soundly refute the errors of the Calvinist TULIP:

T = TOTAL INABILITY (Called in Calvinism, Total Depravity, but actually taught as the Total Inability of man to choose Truth. The Calvinist plays many such word games. The Word of God teaches that God created man with the ability to reason, choose, and receive Truth.):


Ephesians 2:8: "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God."

Romans 10:17: "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God."

James 1:21: "Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and RECEIVE with meekness the engrafted Word, which is able to save your souls."

Isaiah1:18: "Come now, and let us REASON together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool."

Deuteronomy 30:19: "I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore CHOOSE LIFE, that both thou and thy seed may live."

Joshua 24:15: "And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, CHOOSE you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD."

Psalm 119:30, 111, 173: "I have CHOSEN The Way of Truth: Thy Judgments have I laid before me....Thy Testimonies have I taken as an heritage for ever: for They are the rejoicing of my heart....Let Thine hand help me; for I have chosen Thy Precepts."

John 1:12: "But as many as RECEIVED him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name."

2 Timothy 1:12: "...I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have COMMITTED unto him against that day."

U = UNCONDITIONAL ELECTION (Calvinism teaches that God selects those who are to be saved without any condition, but the Bible teaches that there is one condition to salvation: faith.):

1 Peter 1:2: "Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ..."

2 Thessalonians 2:13: "...God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the Truth."

Luke 7:50: "... Thy faith hath saved thee ..."

Ephesians 2:8: "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God."

L = LIMITED ATONEMENT (Calvinism teaches that Christ died only for the elect, but the Bible teaches that He died for all mankind. The reason not all are saved is because they failed to repent and receive the Saviour, not because He didn't provide for their salvation.):

Isaiah 53:6: "All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us ALL."

1 Timothy 4:10: "For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of ALL MEN, specially of those that believe."

1 John 2:2: "And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of THE WHOLE WORLD."

Hebrews 2:9: "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that He by the grace of God should taste death for EVERY MAN."

1 Timothy 2:4: "Who will have ALL MEN to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the Truth."


I = IRRESISTIBLE GRACE (Calvinism teaches that God's grace for salvation cannot be resisted, but the Word of God says it can be resisted):

Lamentations 3:35-36: "To turn aside the right of a man before the face of the most High, To subvert a man in his cause, the Lord approveth not."

Matthew 23:37: "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and YE WOULD NOT!"

John 5:39-40: "Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. And YE WILL NOT come to me, that ye might have life."

Acts 7:51: "Ye stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always RESIST the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye."

Proverbs 1:24-26: "Because I have called, and YE REFUSED; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded; But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof: I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh."

Proverbs 29:1: "He, that being often reproved HARDENETH HIS NECK, shall suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy."


P = PERSEVERANCE (The Bible teaches preservation of the saints; not perseverance of the saints):

Jude 1: "... to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and PRESERVED in Jesus Christ..."

1 Thessalonians 5:23-24: "And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly: and I pray God your whole spirit and soul, and body be PRESERVED blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it. "

John 10:27-29: "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life: and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them out of my Fathers hand."

Colossians 3:3-4: "For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory."

Hebrews 7:25: "Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them."


CONCLUSION:

Calvinism clearly errs from the teaching of the Word of God on all 5 points of it's TULIP. The logical conclusion of Calvinism is that God is an unfair respecter of persons who chooses people to salvation, not according to any standard that He established, but arbitrarily. This strikes at the love and justice of God, contradicts the fact that Christ gave his life for ALL, and rejects man's responsibility to choose and love his Creator.

Proverbs 24:23: "... It is not good to have respect of persons in judgment."

Acts 10:34-35: "... Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: But in every nation he that feareth Him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with Him."

John 6:28-29: "... What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? ... This is the work of God, that ye believe on Him whom He hath sent.

Ephesians 2:8: "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God."

http://heresies.land.../calvinism.html

 

Stan,

 

I've come to this topic late. Why don't we start 5 threads where we try to address these 5 points of Calvinism (and their parallel points in Arminianism)?

 

I'll start a thread on Total Depravity and the statements given by both Calvinism and Arminianism. Then we'll try to pursue in Scripture to see if Calvinism or Arminianism is closest to Scripture with the TULIP doctrines.

 

Here goes with the other thread for TD.

 

Oz


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Stan,

 

I've started the topic, 'Total Depravity: Is it biblical?'

 

I don't know if you and others are interested in this discussion.

 

Oz


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