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But it wasn’t God,

 

God promised mankind that He would redeem man back to Himself, but somebody lied…all of a sudden God could not save anyone, man kinds ability to Reject God seemed to be greater than the power of God to save?

 

God promised a sacrificial lamb, spotless and without blemish who would pay the price for the sins of all man kind., but somebody lied.. and it wasn’t God, for God sent Jesus the Christ, the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world, spotless without blemish, who took the sins of the world upon Himself and became sin so we could be saved but man has determined it isn’t so that we have to pay the price for our own sins, someone lied it was not God.

 

Jesus said,

“ I am the way the truth and the Life”, but somebody lied.. now religion has become the way, religious doctrine has become the truth and a book has become the life, somebody lied it is not Jesus.

 

It is written, “ all who call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved”, but somebody lied, now salvation is in church, the works of man, keeping the law, daily sacrifice reading and studying, somebody lied , it was not God..

 

Jesus said, “I must go so the father will send the Holy Spirit to teach you and lead you into the truth, and He did, but somebody lied, for the Holy Spirit has being made a teacher of the bible, few believe He speaks to them many don’t believe God has anything more to say to man, somebody lied, it is not God.


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The words that I SPEAK they are spirit and they are life. You search the scriptures, reading them thinking they bring you life, and they testify of Me yet you wont come to me so that you can have eternal life.


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Someone lied alright..it is the satan who has his spirit in self proclaimed "believers" who do not love Jesus....Jesus said in John 14.15 "if you love me keep my commandments and in Matthew 19.17 to enter into live keep the commandments"  and He identifies these as the Ten commandments..satan leads people who are ignorant of God's word astray, and they refuse to obey God's word..1st John 2.4 "Those that say they know Him and keep NOT His commandments are LIARS and the truth is NOT in them"...


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mjrhealth

 

All your information comes from the Bible.  Why should anyone believe it?

 

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Edited by Stranger, 05 January 2017 - 02:58 PM.

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All your information comes from the Bible.  Why should anyone believe it?

 

Stranger

I hope one day that you discover that JEsus is real and that He speaks to those who will listen. He cannot help it if men woudl rather a book than Him. You cant have a relationship with a book. and teh truth is in Him, and what does the bible testify of???  Him its says so right theer, You still cant believe that God doent need a book to save men, how we mock Him so..

 

and dont be a stranger to Him

 

Mat 7:21  Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22  Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23  And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


Edited by mjrhealth, 05 January 2017 - 03:34 PM.

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The words that I SPEAK they are spirit and they are life. You search the scriptures, reading them thinking they bring you life, and they testify of Me yet you wont come to me so that you can have eternal life.


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I hope one day that you discover that JEsus is real and that He speaks to those who will listen. He cannot help it if men woudl rather a book than Him. You cant have a relationship with a book. and teh truth is in Him, and what does the bible testify of???  Him its says so right theer, You still cant believe that God doent need a book to save men, how we mock Him so..

 

and dont be a stranger to Him

 

Mat 7:21  Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22  Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23  And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

 

All your information comes from the Bible.  Why should anyone believe it?

 

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Why dont you beleieve God? ??? the truth is in Christ that was long before the bible, as Jesus being the Word it is not becasue of the bible, God is real not because of teh bible, the Holy Spirit is given to man not because of teh bible, Adam spoke to God, never had a bible, teh prohets heard the voice of God, no bible, Jesus conversed with His father, no bible, teh disciple where taught by Jesus till His death than where led buy teh Holy Spirirt as promised, before the bible, men today find God who have never read or owned a bible, God has being saving men for centuries without a bible, even today Jesus is revealing Himself to those who have never read a bible. You dont have to believe the bible, it is God who you should believe. Salvation is in Christ alone has being since teh beginning nothing to do with teh bible. Saul was a "Pharisee of Pharsiees He declared, murdered christians for years , than he found Jesus, or Jesus reveled Himself to Saul, and declared all He knew as dung. Knowledge saves no man. I know Jesus becuase of Him, long before I even owned a bible. I know nothing except for Him.


Edited by mjrhealth, 05 January 2017 - 05:02 PM.

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The words that I SPEAK they are spirit and they are life. You search the scriptures, reading them thinking they bring you life, and they testify of Me yet you wont come to me so that you can have eternal life.


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All your information comes from the Bible. Why should anyone believe it?

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I gotta side with Stranger. I can answer many of those questions, but I need the Bible to do it. Its the only primary and public source we have. If you don't hold it as the words of God.... I can't discuss it with you.

The bottom line is that far too many people have developed their view of God based on selected scripture.
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Why dont you beleieve God? ??? the truth is in Christ that was long before the bible, as Jesus being the Word it is not becasue of the bible, God is real not because of teh bible, the Holy Spirit is given to man not because of teh bible, Adam spoke to God, never had a bible, teh prohets heard the voice of God, no bible, Jesus conversed with His father, no bible, teh disciple where taught by Jesus till His death than where led buy teh Holy Spirirt as promised, before the bible, men today find God who have never read or owned a bible, God has being saving men for centuries without a bible, even today Jesus is revealing Himself to those who have never read a bible. You dont have to believe the bible, it is God who you should believe. Salvation is in Christ alone has being since teh beginning nothing to do with teh bible. Saul was a "Pharisee of Pharsiees He declared, murdered christians for years , than he found Jesus, or Jesus reveled Himself to Saul, and declared all He knew as dung. Knowledge saves no man. I know Jesus becuase of Him, long before I even owned a bible. I know nothing except for Him.

 

I do believe God.  I believe everything He says.  What does He say?

 

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I do believe God.  I believe everything He says.  What does He say?

And that happens how, you dont hear voices, that you have cleary stated, since it is how we perceive sound it s hard to get around it, even when with Jesus, his lips never move, spirit to spirit we speak no lips need to move, but still we hear.


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The words that I SPEAK they are spirit and they are life. You search the scriptures, reading them thinking they bring you life, and they testify of Me yet you wont come to me so that you can have eternal life.


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And that happens how, you dont hear voices, that you have cleary stated, since it is how we perceive sound it s hard to get around it, even when with Jesus, his lips never move, spirit to spirit we speak no lips need to move, but still we hear.

 

Did God tell you that because we have the Holy Spirit, and are led by the Spirit, that the Bible is not the Word of God?

 

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Edited by Stranger, 06 January 2017 - 05:04 AM.

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Did God tell you that because we have the Holy Spirit, and are led by the Spirit, that the Bible is not the Word of God?

Actually He did explain to a friend of mine, it has some of what God has to say to man some of what man has to say to God, and a lot of mens opnions of God. So whcih God do you servr, teh KJ oen teh NIV one teh NSV onr otr one of teh other may version since they are not all teh same. IS christ didvided does God have many different version of His word, when teh disciples say, it is I speaking no the Lord are they lying is teh bible God is it Jesus, if it is Gods word it must be, does God have to agree with the bible or would you not expect that teh bible should agree with God,???

 

Mat 7:23  And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

 

see how it keeps you from God, why do you need God when He is in your pocket.


Edited by mjrhealth, 06 January 2017 - 12:17 PM.

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The words that I SPEAK they are spirit and they are life. You search the scriptures, reading them thinking they bring you life, and they testify of Me yet you wont come to me so that you can have eternal life.


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Actually He did explain to a friend of mine, it has some of what God has to say to man some of what man has to say to God, and a lot of mens opnions of God. So whcih God do you servr, teh KJ oen teh NIV one teh NSV onr otr one of teh other may version since they are not all teh same. IS christ didvided does God have many different version of His word, when teh disciples say, it is I speaking no the Lord are they lying is teh bible God is it Jesus, if it is Gods word it must be, does God have to agree with the bible or would you not expect that teh bible should agree with God,???
 
Mat 7:23  And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
 
see how it keeps you from God, why do you need God when He is in your pocket.


Yah mjr, i think u are throwing out the baby with the bath water on this one. Just because some people worship the Bible as a god does not mean we throw it out now and consider it to be not authoratative. What are all your statements standing on? All the stuff you learned and the reason why you are trying to teach this stuff so passuonately is because you learned about religious hypocrisy from Jesus dealing with the pharisees in Matthew Mark Luke and John baby. That good ole scripture, you know what I'm sayin bro? You are a cool dude but Stranger is right on this one.
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Yah mjr, i think u are throwing out the baby with the bath water on this one. Just because some people worship the Bible as a god does not mean we throw it out now and consider it to be not authoratative.

The bible has no authority that is given to God Jesus and te hHoy spirit it is by them we determine the truth. It has its place it even says so.

 

Joh_5:39  Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

 

it is by teh spirit we learn all things, yes there is lots in teh bible that God has to say, but it He never spoke it, if t was not revelatiom from Him, than it is not Gods word, I have never said it has any use only that it is not His word, for He has shown me things in there that even I did not know where there,

 

1Co_2:10  But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

 

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The words that I SPEAK they are spirit and they are life. You search the scriptures, reading them thinking they bring you life, and they testify of Me yet you wont come to me so that you can have eternal life.


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The bible has no authority that is given to God Jesus and te hHoy spirit it is by them we determine the truth. It has its place it even says so.

Joh_5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

it is by teh spirit we learn all things, yes there is lots in teh bible that God has to say, but it He never spoke it, if t was not revelatiom from Him, than it is not Gods word, I have never said it has any use only that it is not His word, for He has shown me things in there that even I did not know where there,

1Co_2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

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Jeaus wasn't saying that scripturedid or did not hold eternal life. It was never his point. His point was that the scripture was pointing to him. He was telling the Jews that they weren't understanding what the scriptures said.

In short, he wasn't downgrading their importance at all... He was fulfilling them.
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Jeaus wasn't saying that scripturedid or did not hold eternal life

Oh yes He was, for life is in Jesus,  not in a book

 

He even says

 

" I am teh way the truth and the Life:. the bible is none of those only points to the one who is, how many times do you need to be told He is teh way before one goes to Him, bit like foloowing a GPS to your destination but never getting out of teh car. Pointless.


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The words that I SPEAK they are spirit and they are life. You search the scriptures, reading them thinking they bring you life, and they testify of Me yet you wont come to me so that you can have eternal life.


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Actually He did explain to a friend of mine, it has some of what God has to say to man some of what man has to say to God, and a lot of mens opnions of God. So whcih God do you servr, teh KJ oen teh NIV one teh NSV onr otr one of teh other may version since they are not all teh same. IS christ didvided does God have many different version of His word, when teh disciples say, it is I speaking no the Lord are they lying is teh bible God is it Jesus, if it is Gods word it must be, does God have to agree with the bible or would you not expect that teh bible should agree with God,???

 

Mat 7:23  And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

 

see how it keeps you from God, why do you need God when He is in your pocket.

 

So, God didn't tell you.  One wonders why?  You got the information second hand.  How do you know your friend was telling you the truth?   How do you know it was from God?  

 

The Bible declares itself to be the Word of God.  But a friend has told you it is not and you believe them. 

 

Why should I believe Matthew if your friend says the Bible is not the Word of God?  Why do you believe Matthew?

 

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The Bible declares itself to be the Word of God.  But a friend has told you it is not and you believe them.

Actually it does not, read it?


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The words that I SPEAK they are spirit and they are life. You search the scriptures, reading them thinking they bring you life, and they testify of Me yet you wont come to me so that you can have eternal life.


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Actually it does not, read it?

 

I did.  You trust a friends 'revelation'.  Not yours.  You are getting it second hand.  Why do you trust theirs?   Is it from God?  Is it God's word they give you?  Why didn't God tell you?  You seem to be the one who is most 'spiritual'. 

 

You ignore the questions.  As usual.  Why?  Because you are a contradiction.

 

So again, why should I believe Matthew when your friend tells you the Bible is not the Word of God.

 

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You trust a friends 'revelation'.

Had my own 2 metioned it many times but God always had issues wuth teh religious,


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The words that I SPEAK they are spirit and they are life. You search the scriptures, reading them thinking they bring you life, and they testify of Me yet you wont come to me so that you can have eternal life.


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The bible has no authority that is given to God Jesus and te hHoy spirit it is by them we determine the truth. It has its place it even says so.

 

Joh_5:39  Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

 

it is by teh spirit we learn all things, yes there is lots in teh bible that God has to say, but it He never spoke it, if t was not revelatiom from Him, than it is not Gods word, I have never said it has any use only that it is not His word, for He has shown me things in there that even I did not know where there,

 

1Co_2:10  But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

 

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You are very, very confused my friend. On the one hand you don’t believe the Bible is the word of God yet, on the other, you will quote scripture to suit your purpose. This is a contradiction in terms!

 

The first paragraph of your OP reads:

“God promised that He would redeem man back to Himself, but somebody lied...” He didn’t say it quite that way rather God said, “He will redeem ‘a people’ for Himself.” How did you learn this quote? You must have read it in the Bible.

 

The second paragraph reads:

“God promised a sacrificial lamb, spotless and without blemish who would pay the price for the sins of all mankind, but somebody lied...” Again you must have gotten this teaching through the Bible. BTW, Jesus did not pay for the sins of all mankind only for the sins of His people.

 

The third paragraph reads:

“Jesus said, ‘I am the way the truth and the Life’, but somebody lied...” Again this quote is found only in the Bible. And you go on to say, “now religion has become the way, religious doctrine has become the truth and a book (Bible) has become the life, somebody lied it is not Jesus. (word in parenthesis is mine).

 

The fourth paragraph reads:

“It is written, “all who call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved:, but somebody lied,” Again the term “it is written” is so plainly clear that the object of this phrase has to be the written word which is the Bible or is there another book?

 

The fifth paragraph reads:

“Jesus said, I must go so the father will send the Holy Spirit to teach you and lead you into the truth, and He did, but somebody lied,” Again this utterance of Jesus is found only in scriptures.

 

In conclusion, the Bible is the written word of God, powerful, sharper than a two edged sword, trustworthy and must be obeyed. All the quotes you quoted above cannot be denied that they derived from Scriptures. If you insist that God still speaks to man in this day and age and in place of scriptures, then you are still subject to the ominous warning of Revelation 22:18-19.

 

I don’t like to see for anyone to have to pay for their sins (which is impossible), and go to hell I would like then to challenge you that if I can prove the Bible is the living written word of God which you say is not, will you at least consider your view of Scriptures?

 

To God Be The Glory


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In conclusion, the Bible is the written word of God, powerful, sharper than a two edged sword

Actually Jesus is, it was Him and Him alone given that tile till men came along and made God a liar, even He quotes in teh bible that scripture doesnt give you life only He does yet He is ignored as always, So tell me which God do you worship, the NIV version te hKN teh NKG the NSV or one of the other 70 versions of God ???? One God, one Jesus one Holy Spirirt one truth yet over 70 versions of His Word. amazing isnt it. Never said teh bibel doesnt have what God has to say, jsut said it isnt His word. teh devil and God are not one and teh same so when te hdevils speaks it isnt Gods word, unless your God is teh devil.


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The words that I SPEAK they are spirit and they are life. You search the scriptures, reading them thinking they bring you life, and they testify of Me yet you wont come to me so that you can have eternal life.


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Actually Jesus is, it was Him and Him alone given that tile till men came along and made God a liar, even He quotes in teh bible that scripture doesnt give you life only He does yet He is ignored as always, So tell me which God do you worship, the NIV version te hKN teh NKG the NSV or one of the other 70 versions of God ???? One God, one Jesus one Holy Spirirt one truth yet over 70 versions of His Word. amazing isnt it. Never said teh bibel doesnt have what God has to say, jsut said it isnt His word. teh devil and God are not one and teh same so when te hdevils speaks it isnt Gods word, unless your God is teh devil.


Jesus is the Word made flesh. The Bible is the word of God. Note the punctuation.

Mjrhealth, you seem to have a problem that Satan is quoted in the Bible, as are many men. Some of them Holy men, some of them are Satan's. In fact, a little realized fact is that Nebuchanezzar even has a testimony in the Bible!

It still is God's word and his testimony. It is his story and necessary that he had to commission the words of others to fully tell his testimony.

If you grab a red letter edition of the Bible... Any one of them... And if you only read what Jesus said you would be lost in context without the black words. But the black words as well as the red words were commmissioned by God. That same Holy Spirit which you claim whispers in your ear did so to Moses through John. Holy men of old moved on by the spirit.

I vow to make this the last time I voice my opinion on this. I hope I can keep that vow. But my problem is that you claim Jesus talks to you and that is the Word (and the word) yet what his own Apostles wrote isn't? What God's prophets isn't? Even Luke, James, Jude.... Men who were close to Jesus... Some even half brothers in the flesh and others commissioned by Apostles... That isn't the word of God?

Personally, I have never said God ain't talking to you. I have my doubts, because I don't believe any spirit of God is going to stray from the scripture nor deny it is His testimony.

The Bible says to try the spirits. Human nature itself and common sense would agree. If a spirit is talking to you about religious issues then you should have something to compare it to.

Yes, there are a lot of versions. I myself stick to the KJV and I have my reasons. But I've never faulted anyone for going with another. Furthermore, I don't see many of them denying what Christ nor what his Holy men said on a large scale.

When we (you and I) get away from this Bible issue being the word of God.... You and I agree on some key points. I love your stance on grace for example!

But no... Jesus never said the Bible isn't the word of God. In fact he validated it when he said it testified of him.

The Bible as his word points us to him. This is why he himself quoted it, those who knew him in the flesh (Peter, Matthew, Mark,John, etc...) quoted it and even those who were touched by him in the spirit (Paul) quoted it.

So for you to deny it doesn't make much sense to me. Especially when it is what you quote so often.

I love ya bro. I agree with much you say.... But I would like to make this my last word on this controversy.

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The Bible as his word points us to him.

And it doesnt give you life only His spoken word does, its there right in your bible. 70 versions of God make your choice, i choose teh living God teh living word "Jesus" and teh Spirit of truth.


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The words that I SPEAK they are spirit and they are life. You search the scriptures, reading them thinking they bring you life, and they testify of Me yet you wont come to me so that you can have eternal life.


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thing is mjr the Book is God~Breathed, even if it is not the Word, and it is the Book, the Law, that will be fulfilled. How else can you justify that God = Word, and recognize where someone is spiritually who believes God = Book? Which, not meaning to comment one way or the other there right now, it is what it is. So the Book is your evidence. The canon is closed, too, so nothing the Spirit tells you is going to be adding any new lines; there is nothing new under the sun iow. The Book is what is to be fulfilled.

 

i do see where you are trying to go here, but i suggest that a more spiritual understanding of some verse that is maybe being taken too literally or whatever would be a better course than invalidating Scripture, which is how people reveal themselves to you. It just seems like the far side of the pendulum swing from "the Bible is the Word" wadr.


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thing is mjr the Book is God~Breathed, even if it is not the Word, and it is the Book, the Law, that will be fulfilled. How else can you justify that God = Word, and recognize where someone is spiritually who believes God = Book? Which, not meaning to comment one way or the other there right now, it is what it is. So the Book is your evidence. The canon is closed, too, so nothing the Spirit tells you is going to be adding any new lines; there is nothing new under the sun iow. The Book is what is to be fulfilled.

It does not say" teh bible is God breathed" it actually says "scripture." God gave man the Holy Spirit for a reason, man replaced Him with a book. and look at what it has done. Is Christ divided??? Is God the author of confusion??? So many confused christians speaks volumes does it not???


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The words that I SPEAK they are spirit and they are life. You search the scriptures, reading them thinking they bring you life, and they testify of Me yet you wont come to me so that you can have eternal life.


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It does not say" teh bible is God breathed" it actually says "scripture." God gave man the Holy Spirit for a reason, man replaced Him with a book. and look at what it has done. Is Christ divided??? Is God the author of confusion??? So many confused christians speaks volumes does it not???


What about those people in Jamestown, they believed God was speaking to them too. How about the people in Waco, David was Jesus and they believed they were being led by the Spirit. Oh then what about the Shammen in Africa, they believe in being led by spirits and not following any book.

If we leave ourselves with no reference or book then who is to say who is being led by God and who is not? One man may say God said start a war with the rest of the world while a different person says God said to remain in peace. Who is right. One man say Jesus is not God, the Spirit told him, while another says Jesus is God and the Spirit told him. What man is being led by the Spirit?

God's scriptures are holy, and they correct the foul thinking of men. Arrogance and pride breeds denial of teaching through another, let alone through God's holy writ.
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God's scriptures are holy, and they correct the foul thinking of men. Arrogance and pride breeds denial of teaching through another, let alone through God's holy writ.

If teh bible was Holy all men who touched it would die, for our sin would not allow us to be near such a thing. God gives us His Spirit to teach us teh truth, but rejected of men so they can have it there way as it has always being.


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The words that I SPEAK they are spirit and they are life. You search the scriptures, reading them thinking they bring you life, and they testify of Me yet you wont come to me so that you can have eternal life.


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If teh bible was Holy all men who touched it would die, for our sin would not allow us to be near such a thing. God gives us His Spirit to teach us teh truth, but rejected of men so they can have it there way as it has always being.

You are confused. God's Spirit is also holy and I am indwelled by Him. I did not reject Him. That makes me holy. I don't kill everyone I touch.

Many articles of the tabernacle were holy. Men touched them, even stole them, and did not die. You would know this if you studied the Scriptures.

Jesus used the Scriptures during His temptation against the Devil. Are we not to be like Jesus, knowing the Scriptures?

The Sword of the Spirit is the Scriptures. You are unarmed if you deny the Scriptures.

I do not know who you listen to if you deny the power of God's holy writ, but it is not the Holy Spirit. He will never deny God's Word or word.

All these people who disagree believe the Spirit is leading them. By putting down the book the problem only gets worse, not better. You have been deceived and have become a deceiver yourself.
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You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the great and foremost commandment. The second is like it, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.

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It does not say" teh bible is God breathed" it actually says "scripture." God gave man the Holy Spirit for a reason, man replaced Him with a book. and look at what it has done. Is Christ divided??? Is God the author of confusion??? So many confused christians speaks volumes does it not???

So fine, then "Scripture" is God~Breathed, which we still have in the Lexicon (which is the only Bible i recognize anyway). And imo the argument about "confused Christians" then resolves, using the Book, as we have copious passages about "the blind leading the blind" that we of course apply to everyone else, if we are seven times worse off than before, or have missed Paul's warning about the wolves coming in as soon as he leaves...or cannot make the connection to those who will hear "i never knew you..." etc. It's all in there, mjr.

 

You were a "confused Christian" once, were you not? So, you voluntarily entered upon that path, when you turned down the Hippy that came to you, right--don't guess i've brought that out here; how everyone on earth can basically be described as a Hippy, an Atheist, or a Fundie--when you turned down that person spouting all the "Love one another is all you need" jazz, because you were young and ambitious, perhaps, or felt that God was surely much more serious and religious than Hippies, whatever.

 

And you came out the other side, right? So see that all of those "confused Christians" are just your perception of a moment in time, and does not speak to anyone's final state, if they are seeking God. And if they are seeking the world, or a way to stay on the fence, you are wasting your time anyway, right?


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If teh bible was Holy all men who touched it would die, for our sin would not allow us to be near such a thing. God gives us His Spirit to teach us teh truth, but rejected of men so they can have it there way as it has always being.

i agree, but imo there will then be a Scripture that cannot be confronted without CogDiss, and it is not your mission to make anyone believe like you do, but to suggest reflecting upon the cognitive dissonance that the Scripture introduces. It is pointless, most likely, to suggest becoming like a little child, to adults who still ask little children things for a laugh. You are going to be dismissed, just like we all dismissed the Hippy when he came to us, yes?


Edited by bbyrd009, 17 January 2017 - 08:32 AM.

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