I love you in the Lord too brother justaname and please don't give it another thought. Just recently, a friend pointed out that I make statements but I don't go into detail because I assume they understand what I meaning and they don't. Apparently they are not mind readers lol! I will endeavor to elaborate more in future. I try to be concise because I don't like being too wordy which doesn't always come across the right way.
Hi Stranger, one of the reasons I do not believe that Jesus was always God's Son is because scripture tells us in John 3:16 that Jesus was God's only begotten son. This indicates being Fathered ~ to procreate or generate offspring. This makes sense when Jesus was born into the world by the Holy Spirit but it does not work well if he were already the Son of God prior to being born. A begotten son is not eternal. The idea that Jesus was the Son in heaven prior to coming down to earth via a virgin birth, suggests that he had a beginning and as far as I understand, the second person of the Godhead is God [Matthew 1:23, Isaiah 7:14, Isaiah 9:6] and he has always existed ergo ~ eternal. JMHO
I understand what you are saying but I do disagree. That Jesus was God's 'only begotten' does indicate being Fathered. And, the incarnation was certainly the beginning of when the Son had a body. But that in no way indicates the beginning of The Son. Note what (Is.9:6) says, "...a child is born...a son is given...." The Son was not born. The Son was given. The Son was always eternally with the Father.
And, the term 'only begotten' does not refer to the virgin birth of Christ. It refers to the resurrection of Christ. (Acts 13:33) "God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee. And concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise I will give you the sure mercies of David." This too is a beginning. It's a beginning where a body combined with the Spirit of the individual raised by the Father making Jesus Christ the 'Firstborn of many brethren'. (Rom. 8:29 " For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the first born among many brethren." Which is you and I who are also, 'born again'. The resurrection is our birthing room as it was for Christ. (1Peter 1:3) " Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,"
None of these things mean or indicate in any way that the Son did not always exist with the Father, and Holy Spirit.
Please consider these things sister. As well as (John 17:5)
Edited by Stranger, 15 January 2017 - 06:52 AM.