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Posted 28 August 2007 - 08:18 AM
Does life really exist on Mars? http://www.theparano...at-we-know.htmlIt almost seems like about once every decade, some group of scientists comes up with unequivocal proof that it does, at least in a microbial form, only to be shot down a few months later by another group of scientists during peer review. We still don't know the answer, but the claims from scientists are accelerating and moving in favor of microbial life existing on a planet that just a few years ago was thought to be completely dead.The controversy begins in 1854, when Trinity College, Cambrige fellow William Whewell formulated a theory that Mars may have oceans and land, and even life. In 1877, Giovanni Schiaparelli thought he observed canals on Mars, followed by others, culminating in Percival Lowell's claims that the canals were irrigation canals created by an advanced civilization. This set the stage for H.G. Wells, and Orson Welles, to scare the dickens out of the world with fictional accounts of Martians attacking the earth.In 2008, NASA's Phoenix Lander will touch down on on the cold polar region of Mars. Onboard the craft is an experiment that will drill into the surface of mars, and try to find a zone of habitability where bacteria could exist. While this experiment probably won't settle the question, it will tell us if the upper soils of Mars can support bacterial life, adding more fuel to the fire in the century old debate on whether life exists on Mars. The pendulum continues to swing back and forth on the question, but with so many claims now being debated, it seems almost likely that microbial life does exist on Mars. Perhaps they aren't anywhere near the surface, and exist deep below the harsh atompshere, but never the less Mars continues to be the most likely candidate in our solar system, other than the earth, where life may be found.http://www.marsanoma.../moon-bible.htmVIEWER COMMENTS:Dear Joseph, Once again, your latest paper Report # 070 (titled "Moon Banding Evidence")I am an evangelical Christian, holding the Bible as the written record of creation and the revelation of God and the New Testament being God's revelation of Himself in the person of His Son, Jesus Christ. In the Bible, there are documented accounts of the creation of both spiritual and physical beings and realms. Additionally, there is clearly indicated that one of those spiritual beings, created once in wisdom and beauty, chose a path of rebellion against his Creator. It says he took "one-third" of the created beings with him -- clearly an indication of a rebellion. It is also recorded that when this occurred, there was "war in the Heavens." Finally, of said beings, it says, "they left their first dwelling place," indicating a departure from one place and a resettling elsewhere.The conclusion that I have reached over many years of studying the various sites on the Net which show remnants of civilization is that what we are looking at are the remains of the dwelling places, structures, technology -- of those beings either prior to and/or after their rebellion. This would account for such magnificent structures arrayed using intelligent geometry on such a colossal scale. This would also explain why we see not only so much erosion (time) -- but indeed as you have indicated, so much clear evidence of obvious warfare - some of which has obviously even changed both the atmosphere and climate of these planets! Finally, since the Bible does indicate that some of these beings still exist and are active (others it says are locked up!) this would account for both the UFO activity (especially in cases where the beings perform nefarious activities) as well as a distant "industrial plant" with its horizontal stack puffing vapor & lighted dome, (to use only 1 brief but obvious example).Finally, I may I ask if you have researched any of this material from a Biblical perspective? And, if so, what conclusions you have drawn? I would certainly enjoying reading that if you care to share. Certainly, even if one did not wish to consider the Bible at all, the evidence which exists and which you have so impressively detailed in your journey does clearly show us -- we were never alone -- nor are we.With expectation, in sincerity, I await your reply.MY COMMENTS:Your points are very thoughtful and well stated. As I am sure you are well aware, not many biblically oriented Christians would be able to make or accept a connection between the kind of Moon based space exploration technological evidence at this Web site and traditional Christian biblical concepts. That you are able to be open to exploration of this kind of information and even correlate it with your evangelical belief system is impressive.Even though limited, the new visual physical evidence we have so far suggests that the Moon may be at least in part an artificial created body on a scale considered super colossal by our standards and it further suggests that the Moon is or was significantly populated by someone very advanced.So, how might this kind of planetary technology based evidence connect to us biblically?Well an examination of our genetic structure when compared to fellow primates that are also suppose to have evolved on this planet with us reveals some errors in our human genetic structure not shared by our close fellow primates. That in turn strongly suggests the possibility that someone has artificially interfered with our genetic structure at some point in our past development and that not all of it is the result of evolutionary influences. Alternatively, would it violate your belief systems if you eventually learned conclusively that we may all be biological but still artificially created self sustaining and self aware constructs in our initial beginnings? That is the very scenario that the biblical version itself expresses, it's just that we don't view it exactly that way. Even at our relatively primitive current level of technological advancement, we can create our own crude forms mimicking life right now out of metal, plastic, and silicon and we are steadily moving into the field of the biological development and artificial intelligence as well. Whether right or wrong, think what just another 100 years of development and change along these lines may bring in complexity to the human condition in this regard!
Posted 28 August 2007 - 11:14 AM
They did find living bacteria there. So yes?
Posted 28 August 2007 - 06:38 PM
http://mars.jpl.nasa.../20020802a.htmlResearchers Publish Latest Results in Continuing Search for Ancient Martian Life In the latest study of a 4.5 billion-year-old Martian meteorite, researchers have presented new evidence confirming that 25 percent of the magnetic material in the meteorite was produced by ancient bacteria on Mars. These latest results were published in the journal Applied and Environmental Microbiology.http://www.timesonli...ticle544976.eceTimes Online The Sunday TimesJuly 17, 2005It's one small step for a bug, a giant red face for NasaFAR from discovering life on Mars, Nasa may have put it there. The American space agency believes the two rover spacecraft scuttling across the red planet are carrying bacteria from Earth, writes John Harlow. The bacteria, bacillus safensis, were found in a chamber in California that had been used to test the rovers. Officials believe it is likely some of the microbes, possibly from scientists’ skin, were on board when the mission left. The craft, Spirit and Opportunity, landed on Mars last year. One key task was to look for signs of life — now it seems that if there are any organisms, it is man who has put them there. If proved, the contamination would raise concerns at possible breaches of a United Nations treaty to stop other planets being polluted from Earth. The claims have been made by Kasthuri Venkateswaran, a microbiologist at Nasa’s spacecraft assembly plant in Pasadena. His tests have shown the microbes could survive space travel, the landing on Mars and the planet’s bitter -60C climate. It is believed the bacteria are living inside the electronic circuitry of the two landers. The error is revealed in Out of Eden by Alan Burdick, a book to be published in Britain this year. No, they've never found bacteria, they believe some bacteria could survive the trip here or there though. But, NASA and JPL here have shown, that they have doctored photo's. There own photographic evidence shows evidence of some kinda life existed. Since NASA has announced a face on Mars, it has tried to dismiss it as an geographic anomily. But, because the existance of Cydonnian structures. NASA and JPL's own photo's show evidences of life that once existed or does exist on MARS!http://www.marsanoma...nity-object.htmI dont know about you, but these photograph's dont look normal to me, something or someone is up there!
Posted 29 August 2007 - 05:07 PM
Food for thought - Jesus said "I am not of this world" (John 8:23)"Praise to the Lord, to him who rides the ancient skies above,whose power is in the skies." (Psalm 68:33-34)"God sits on the circle of the earth" (Isa 40:22)"God rides upon a swift cloud" (Isa 19:1)"God goes by me but I see him not" (Job 9:10)"With God a thousand years are as one day" (2 Pet 3:8 )Jesus said "And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold, them also I must bring.." (John 10:16)
Posted 29 August 2007 - 05:49 PM
Are those buildings, air scrubbers, circuits?
Posted 29 August 2007 - 09:43 PM
Well, you have to read the article. I notice this forums just states mostly opinions. Anytime I state something it has to be backed up with evidence, so I give a link. The article states ->http://www.marsanoma...t-mud-rover.htmThe above first image demonstrates a portion of one of the Spirit Rover solar panel arrays and the Mars terrain forming the background under and just beyond its outer edge, representing one of the first ground based images to come from the Spirit mission.This image is so obvious in spots that most should be able to recognize the blur/smudge fuzzy tampering applications for what they are. In fact, it's so crude and obvious that the tampering applications in the terrain on the right in the above first image can be clearly seen to cross over onto the Rover surfaces or at least merge with it. Pointed out with the green arrows on the left in the above image, these spots demonstrate the small scale tampering in the terrain. Understanding this small scale tampering type is very important to understanding all Spirit and Opportunity imaging. The net result of this is that essentially most of any true natural small to tiny detail in the terrain is utterly destroyed and replaced with fake small ground or soil mimicking detail. This would be next to impossible to detect, as it is in the distant satellite imaging, if it were not for repeat imaging here of the same physical locations by these ground based cameras and their mistake in not removing the beginning stage image to compare against as well as some rough crudeness in the initial tampering application itself.Now let's swing attention back again to the most obvious tampering application area in the terrain just off the edge of the Rover solar panel on the right in the above image. This area demonstrates a more direct and thicker application covering not only the soil spaces between the rocks (lowlands) but also the rocks themselves (highlands) and covers everything including even crossing over onto the edge of the Rover's solar panel arm.Note how the tampering is condensing and flattening more on the Rover surface detail with less ragged edges, a denser more compact surface, and now beginning to look sharper and more normal. There is still some residual smudge tampering visible but most of it is now gone.This is indeed one of the same bunched and "folded" terrain spots that some scientists wondered so much about. Remember, the chute is suppose to have dragged and created curious folded spots like this in the soil surface. If you will remember, some questioned its strange inexplicable appearance and speculated if it might be moisture caked soil or mud since it seemed to behave that way with the folded spots suggesting adhesive soil components. Again, no one takes the possibility of image tampering as a factor into consideration because we trust our leadership and believe we have no reason to believe otherwise. That ignores the fact that there is plenty of evidence to indicate otherwise such as what you see in the growing evidence record here at this web site fully supported by their official science data. It also ignores the fact that space exploration is often primarily and covertly an extension of military intelligence and black opts agendas rather than just pure science and who on Earth would be more secrecy prone! All I can say is welcome to the wonderful world of digital imaging that lends itself so well to covert use.The truth is that the solar panels seen here are part of the Rover and the Rover moved slightly forward on the Lander causing its outstretched solar panel to move over above and hide the "mud" site now below the panels. Very careful A-B comparison of the images will reveal this. I mention this only to head off anyone potentially finding this image on their own and jumping to the conclusion that the "mud" visuals have been artificially sanitized from the scene and thinking they've caught NASA and/or JPL in some slight of hand. We only want to deal with the truth here.To me, what is the most telling evidence of all here in the first image above is the obvious tampering on the Rover solar arm itself. Both the light color tampering application on the solar arm surfaces and the darker color tampering on the dark solar cells themselves is rather crude and very obvious. Note the ragged edges of each application and how the fuzzy featureless application maps precisely to the edges of each object.
Posted 29 August 2007 - 09:45 PM
Blah, blah, blah, on and on. In short NASA/JPL tampered with Photographic evidence from the Spirit Lander, That possibly would have shown mud on or near the Lander or landing site. Other than the Polar Caps no moisture is suppose to be present on the surface of Mars. If there is no environment there how was mud produced? Also these pictures from the landing sites show Humanoid and Animal like skulls. Rocks that seems to have some sort of writing on it, Clear indications of geyser and dust-devil activity. Let alone Alien like spacecraft seen on the surface and in the sky of Mars!
Posted 04 September 2007 - 11:54 PM
Dop,And bigfoot is alive and well in Pasadena Calif!I really think you have too much free time!
Posted 05 September 2007 - 04:20 PM
maybe? if there is life on mars=i am sure they have an SOP TOO=written by the finger of god.
Posted 05 September 2007 - 04:38 PM
NO AT LEAST 2 IN HERE KNOW THAT HELL IS ETERNAL HONEY. GET A GRIP!ETERNAL MEANS=DUH, AH =FOREVER AND EVER THE INFINITE CUBED ROOT OF THE SPEED OF LIGHT TO INFINITY=like the alpha and the omega, baby!bim