What is the katabole?Did you know there was a an earth Age Before this one?The word "foundation" is "katabole".The "foundation" of this 2nd earth dimensional age came after the 'throwing down' of the 1st earthly dimensional age.This word "katabole" speaks of that which our FATHER did to prepare the world for man to be able live in earthly flesh bodies. The throwing down or destruction of the all things that had been upon the earth in the 1st earth age, in order to build a new foundation that would support man in the flesh in the 2nd earth age was the first step in preparing the earth as a temporary abode for man made mortal. Let's look at the definitions for the Hebrew word translated into English as "foundation".2602 katabole (kat-ab-ol-ay');from 2598; a deposition, i.e. founding; figuratively, conception:KJV-- conceive, foundation.2598 kataballo (kat-ab-al'-lo);from 2596 and 906; to throw down:KJV-- cast down, lay.2596 kata (kat-ah');a primary particle; (prepositionally) down (in place or time), in varied relations (according to the case [genitive case, dative case or accusative case] with which it is joined):KJV-- about, according as (to), after, against, (when they were) X alone, among, and, X apart, (even, like) as (concerning, pertaining to touching), X aside, at, before, beyond, by, to the charge of, [charita-] bly, concerning, + covered, [daily-], down, every, (+far more) exceeding, X more excellent, for, from ... to, godly, in (-asmuch, divers, every, -to, respect of), ... by, after the manner of, + by any means, beyond (out of) measure, X mightily, more, X natural, of (up-) on (X part), out (of every), over against, (+your) X own, + particularly, so, through (-oughout, -oughout every), thus, (un-) to (-gether, -ward), X uttermost, where (-by), with. In composition it retains many of these applications, and frequently denotes opposition, distribution, or intensity.906 ballo (bal'-lo);a primary verb; to throw (in various applications, more or less violent or intense):KJV-- arise, cast (out), X dung, lay, lie, pour, put (up), send, strike, throw (down), thrust. Compare 4496.(Strong's)2602 katabole-1) a throwing or a laying downa) the injection or depositing of the virile semen in the wombstyle_emoticons/default/cool.gif used of the seed of plants and animals2) a founding (laying down a foundation)2598 kataballo-1) to cast down,to throw to the ground, to prostrate2) to put in a lower placeto lay (down) a foundation2596 kata-1) down from, throughout2) according to, toward, along906 ballo-1) to throw or to let go of a thing without caring where it fallsa) to scatter, to throw, to cast intostyle_emoticons/default/cool.gif to give over to one's care uncertain about the resultc) used of fluids:1) to pour, pour into of rivers2) to pour out2) to put into, to insert(Thayer's)The following verses utilize this word "katabole".Matt 13:35 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world. (KJV)Matt 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: (KJV)Luke 11:50 That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation; (KJV)John 17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world. (KJV)Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: (KJV)Heb 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. (KJV)Heb 9:2626 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. (KJV)Heb 11:11 Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised. (KJV)1 Pet 1:2020 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, (KJV)Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. (KJV)Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. (KJV)The earth was not created in vain.Isa 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else. (KJV)Let's look at this word rendered from the Hebrew and translated into the English as "vain".8414 tohuw (to'-hoo);from an unused root meaning to lie waste; a desolation (of surface), i.e. desert; figuratively, a worthless thing; adverbially, in vain:KJV-- confusion, empty place, without form, nothing, (thing of) nought, vain, vanity, waste, wilderness.(Strong's)8414 tohuw-formlessness, confusion, unreality, emptinessa) formlessness (used of primeval earth); nothingness, empty spacestyle_emoticons/default/cool.gif what is empty or unreal (used of idols) (figurative)c) wasteland, wilderness (used of solitary places)d) place of chaose) vanity(Brown-Driver-Briggs')Please note that FATHER, YHVH, "created the heavens".This word is a plural, because it speaks not only of the abode of YHVH (1st Heaven age/dimension...that which is Eternal), but also refers to the 2nd Heaven age/dimension with it's various divisions, and it refers to the sky or atmosphere that surrounds the earth as can be seen by 2nd earth age flesh men."created"1254 bara' (baw-raw');a primitive root; (absolutely) to create; (qualified) to cut down (a wood), select, feed (as formative processes): -choose, create (creator), cut down, dispatch, do, make (fat).(Strong's)1254 bara'-1) to create, to shape, to forma) (Qal) to shape, to fashion, to create (always with God as subject)1) used of heaven and earth2) used of individual man3) used of new conditions and circumstances4) used of transformationsstyle_emoticons/default/cool.gif (Niphal) to be created1) used of heaven and earth2) used of birth3) used of something new4) used of miraclesc) (Piel)1) to cut down2) to cut out2) to be fat; (Hiphil) to make yourselves fat(Brown-Driver-Briggs')Yet, HE "formed the earth and made it"."formed"3335 yatsar (yaw-tsar');probably identical with 3334 (through the squeezing into shape); ([compare 3331]); to mould into a form; especially as a potter; figuratively, to determine (i.e. form a resolution):KJV-- X earthen, fashion, form, frame, make (-r), potter, purpose.3334 yatsar (yaw-tsar');a primitive root; to press (intransitive), i.e. be narrow; figuratively, be in distress:KJV-- be distressed, be narrow, be straitened (in straits), be vexed.(Strong's)3335 yatsar-to form, to fashion, to framea) (Qal) to form, to fashion1) used of human activity2) used of divine activitya) used of creation1) used of original creation2) used of individuals at conception3) used of Israel as a peoplestyle_emoticons/default/cool.gif to frame, to pre-ordain, to plan (figurative of divine) to purpose of a situationstyle_emoticons/default/cool.gif (Niphal) to be formed, to be createdc) (Pual) to be predetermined, to be pre-ordainedd) (Hophal) to be formed3334 yatsar-to bind, to be distressed, to be in distress, to be cramped, to be narrow, to be scant, to be in straits, to make narrow, to cause distress, to beseige (Qal) to suffer distress(Brown-Driver-Briggs')"and made"6213 `asah (aw-saw');a primitive root; to do or make, in the broadest sense and widest application (as follows):KJV-- accomplish, advance, appoint, apt, be at, become, bear, bestow, bring forth, bruise, be busy, X certainly, have the charge of, commit, deal (with), deck, + displease, do, (ready) dress (-ed), (put in) execute (-ion), exercise, fashion, + feast, [fighting-] man, + finish, fit, fly, follow, fulfill, furnish, gather, get, go about, govern, grant, great, + hinder, hold ([a feast]), X indeed, + be industrious, + journey, keep, labour, maintain, make, be meet, observe, be occupied, offer, + officer, pare, bring (come) to pass, perform, pracise, prepare, procure, provide, put, requite, X sacrifice, serve, set, shew, X sin, spend, X surely, take, X thoroughly, trim, X very, + vex, be [warr-] ior, work (-man), yield, use.(Strong's)6213 `asah-1) to do, to fashion, to accomplish, to makea) (Qal)1) to do, to work, to make, to producea) to dostyle_emoticons/default/cool.gif to workc) to deal (with)d) to act, to act with effect, to effect2) to makea) to makestyle_emoticons/default/cool.gif to producec) to prepared) to make (an offering)e) to attend to, to put in orderf) to observe, to celebrateg) to acquire (property)h) to appoint, to ordain, to institutei) to bring aboutj) to usek) to spend, to passstyle_emoticons/default/cool.gif (Niphal)1) to be done2) to be made3) to be produced4) to be offered5) to be observed6) to be usedc) (Pual) to be made2) (Piel) to press, to squeeze(Brown-Driver-Briggs')"he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited:""he hath established it"3559 kuwn (koon);a primitive root; properly, to be erect (i.e. stand perpendicular); hence (causatively) to set up, in a great variety of applications, whether literal (establish, fix, prepare, apply), or figurative (appoint, render sure, proper or prosperous):KJV-- certain (-ty), confirm, direct, faithfulness, fashion, fasten, firm, be fitted, be fixed, frame, be meet, ordain, order, perfect, (make) preparation, prepare (self), provide, make provision, (be, make) ready, right, set (aright, fast, forth), be stable, (e-) stablish, stand, tarry, X very deed.(Strong's)3559 kuwn-to be firm, to be stable, to be establisheda) (Niphal)1) to be set up, to be established, to be fixeda) to be firmly establishedstyle_emoticons/default/cool.gif to be established, to be stable, to be secure, to be enduringc) to be fixed, to be securely determined2) to be directed aright, to be fixed aright, to be steadfast (moral sense)3) to prepare, to be ready4) to be prepared, to be arranged, to be settledstyle_emoticons/default/cool.gif (Hiphil)1) to establish, to set up, to accomplish, to do, to make firm2) to fix, to make ready, to prepare, to provide, to provide for, to furnish3) to direct toward (a moral sense)4) to arrange, to orderc) (Hophal)1) to be established, to be fastened2) to be prepared, to be readyd) (Polel)1) to set up, to establish2) to constitute, to make3) to fix4) to directe) (Pulal) to be established, to be preparedf) (Hithpolel) to be established, to be restored(Brown-Driver-Briggs')Gen 1:1-21 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. (KJV)FATHER told us in Isaiah, that HE had not created the earth in vain."For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else."In the English, it appears that there is a contradiction, "And the earth was without form, and void".But, it is not a contradiction, but a matter of translating.The word "was" should have been translated as "became".1961 hayah (haw-yaw);a primitive root [compare 1933]; to exist, i.e. be or become, come to pass (always emphatic, and not a mere copula or auxiliary):KJV-- beacon, X altogether, be (-come), accomplished, committed, like), break, cause, come (to pass), do, faint, fall, + follow, happen, X have, last, pertain, quit (oneself-), require, X use.(Strong's)1961 hayah-to be, to become, to come to pass, to exist, to happen, to fall outa) (Qal)1) to befalla) to happen, to fall out, to occur, to take place, to come about, to come to passstyle_emoticons/default/cool.gif to come about, to come to pass2) to come into being, to becomea) to arise, to appear, to comestyle_emoticons/default/cool.gif to become1) to become2) to become like3) to be instituted, to be established3) to bea) to exist, to be in existencestyle_emoticons/default/cool.gif to abide, to remain, to continue (with word of place or time)c) to stand, to lie, to be in, to be at, to be situated (with word of locality)d) to accompany, to be withstyle_emoticons/default/cool.gif (Niphal)1) to occur, to come to pass, to be done, to be brought about2) to be done, to be finished, to be gone(Brown-Driver-Briggs')"without form"8414 tohuw (to'-hoo);from an unused root meaning to lie waste; a desolation (of surface), i.e. desert; figuratively, a worthless thing; adverbially, in vain:KJV-- confusion, empty place, without form, nothing, (thing of) nought, vain, vanity, waste, wilderness.(Strong's)8414 tohuw-formlessness, confusion, unreality, emptinessa) formlessness (used of primeval earth); nothingness, empty spacestyle_emoticons/default/cool.gif what is empty or unreal (used of idols) (figurative)c) wasteland, wilderness (used of solitary places)d) place of chaose) vanity(Brown-Driver-Briggs')"and void"922 bohuw (bo'-hoo);from an unused root (meaning to be empty); a vacuity, i.e. (superficially) an undistinguishable ruin:KJV-- emptiness, void.(Strong's)922 bohuw-emptiness, void, waste(Brown-Driver-Briggs')"And the earth was without form, and void" speaks of the 'katabole'.
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Posted 14 November 2007 - 11:17 PM
Posted 21 November 2007 - 06:39 AM
When I see people struggling to answer questions like this, "What happened back then" or "How old is the earth" etc. you know what I want to ask them? If indeed it is how you say it is, how will it affect your faith?...Does it change anything?... We know what the bible says."Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear." -Heb. 11:3 That's all we need to know. Ofcourse I have found myself watching and reading lots of Creationists' studies, proving evolution theory wrong and the gazillions of years of earth's creation a fairy tale, and I must say they are impressive and faith-strengthening. But why bother to go beyond that? Perosnally I don't care, because it will not affect my faith to know. God bless.
Posted 02 March 2008 - 05:48 PM
When I see people struggling to answer questions like this, "What happened back then" or "How old is the earth" etc. you know what I want to ask them? If indeed it is how you say it is, how will it affect your faith?...Does it change anything?... We know what the bible says."Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear." -Heb. 11:3 That's all we need to know. Ofcourse I have found myself watching and reading lots of Creationists' studies, proving evolution theory wrong and the gazillions of years of earth's creation a fairy tale, and I must say they are impressive and faith-strengthening. But why bother to go beyond that? Perosnally I don't care, because it will not affect my faith to know. God bless.Agree.................
Posted 02 March 2008 - 06:12 PM
The thing is its not about your salvation that we need to understand this its about understanding Gods Plan how and why it came about Its the foundations for understanding the Whole of the Word some like myself find that knowing and understanding the foundations of Gods plan is important to keep it all in context. The question is not what do you need to know that is easy the answer is Christ the question is what do you want to know of your Father and his planYou can think what you like I think understanding all Gods plan is important you dont your choice.
Posted 02 March 2008 - 06:26 PM
Posted 02 March 2008 - 06:32 PM
But why bother to go beyond that?Because Kriss can't sleep at night.Seriously Kriss. Give it a break. style_emoticons/default/tongue.gifI like to take it easy and just believe in a literal 6 day creation followed by 1 day rest.
Posted 02 March 2008 - 06:39 PM
Because Kriss can't sleep at night.Seriously Kriss. Give it a break. style_emoticons/default/tongue.gifI like to take it easy and just believe in a literal 6 day creation followed by 1 day rest.Do you realize that the Truth makes people keep working, while a Lie makes people rest?I rather work, not rest.JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.