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Lets look at the first Earth age for a moment so that we understand what it is.
God created the Earth first earth age.We are not told a lot about this first earth age,
Why?
The Bible is about this earth age. God wants our attention here and now not on the past,
He doesn't tell us much about the third earth age either, for the same reason,
However there will be a third just as there was a first.

We do have a few scriptures and lots of scientific evidence of this first earth age.
God destroyed this age because of Satan's rebellion.This is called the Katabole in Greek

Interesting little fragment from dead sea scrolls198.
The Word of the Lord Creates
1 By Wisdom the LORD created and perfected heaven and earth.
2 And the earth was waste and void,a desert without the sons of men or any cultivation at all.And darkness was spread on the face of the deep,And the Spirit of mercy from before the LORD blewon the face of the waters.
3 And the Word [Memar] of the LORD said:--"Let there be light!"And there was light in his Word [cf. Ps 119:105]
4 And it was revealed before the LORD that the light was good;and the Word of the LORD divided the light from the darkness.

1.The First earth age ended before Gen 1:3 before the creation Week began

2..Second there was no flesh man that lived in the first earth age
There were animals Dinosaurs, apes that resembled men, plant life ect. all things we find in fossil, and skeletons ect. This is why science says Rocks and sediment layers are from times of old.

3. All spirit /souls were created at the same time it is these spirit/soul bodies that lived on earth (not flesh)What is our spirit/soul body? It is our natural state where God fore knew us from,

The state 1 Cor. 15:50-54tells us we will return to at Christs Return, the state we will live in during the Millenium and in the New Heaven and New earth.

These are not ghosts bodies
, Angels wrestled with Jacob, eat these are spirit/soul bodiesBefore I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb...

Jeremiah 1:5 (KJV) 4. How was it during the first earth age?
Knowing how God teaches and that what was before will be again
I would expect it was much like the New heavens and New earth that will be there was cities and we lived upon the earth and there was no sin and God was our King.
New earth like the first?
1And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

2And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

3And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

4And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

5And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

6And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

7He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son

10And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

11Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;

12And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:

13On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.

14And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

15And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof.

16And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.

17And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.

18And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass.

19And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald;

20The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolyte; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst.

21And the twelve gates were twelve pearls: every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.

22And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

23And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

24And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

25And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.

26And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.

27And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

I expect this was how the first earth age was Lucifer was guardian of the Mercy seat and a most beautiful Angel he was made the full pattern (full of knowledge beauty and grace) Lucifer then became full of pride he thought he should be God and set his throne above God that he should be the most most high.

So he rebelled. (Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High) Many of us in our soul bodies rebelled with Lucifer/Satan. God had a choice here he could kill a large number of his children or he could create us in a flesh/clay body and give each the opportunity to choose to love him of our own free will

Jeremiah 4:22 - For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.

Jeremiah 4:23 - I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.

Jeremiah 4:24 - I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.

Jeremiah 4:25 - I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.

Jeremiah 4:26 - I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.

Jeremiah 4:27 - For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.

II Peter 3:6 - Whereby the world that then was[/u], being overflowed with water, perished:Wycliff Bible says of this:

2 Peter3:5 But it is hid from them willing this thing,that heavens were before, and the earth of water was standing by water, by God's word [that heavens were first, and the earth of water and by water being, or standing, together by God's word;

6 by which [things] that same world cleansed, then by water perished.

Thus ended the first earth Age and the world became Void ........

Then we start this age Gen 1:3

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2 Peter 3:7 But the heavens that now be, and the earth, be kept by the same word, and be reserved to fire into the day of doom and perdition of wicked men.
[Forsooth the heavens that now be, and the earth, by the same word put again, be kept to fire into the day of doom and perdition of unpious men.]


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Excellent study! Thank you for that.In my humble opinion, the times in this age are similar to those in the first age where there were souls busy doing their own selfish things. Since all souls must have freewill, it is a supposition that the first agers were became similar to the description of man in II Timothy 3. Narcissistic and apathetic. Only the elect gave a hoot about God and anything else. Doesn't seem too different from today. People claim there is a God but live as if He is separated from them.In the next age, I expect that all souls will still have a form for their substance of energy to inhabit in order to apply whatever abilities that God gives them/us. They must be transported if there is a form/body. My question is, if they partake of Manna to sustain them, is it all absorbed and utilized? Or.........is there any waste involved? I know, who would think of such a thing? I would. LOLCedarhartMod edit .....Cedarhart I edited your color as the color didnt show up in our new format
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QUOTE (Christina @ Nov 3 2008, 02:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
God destroyed this age because of Satan's rebellion.This is called the Katabole in Greek
I do believe that there was a creation before the six days creation and the seven day which God rested. You call it “the first earth age” but it does not matter what we call it as long as we know what we are talking about.Genesis 1:1 - In the beginning God created the heavens and the earthThis is clear that God had created the earth already in Genesis 1:1. In verse 2 we read, “The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was] on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters”.To understand this verse we have to look at the Hebrew. God did not create the earth “without form, and void” That state of things came later. The original language of the Bible reveals this to us. The Hebrew words translated “without form, and void” are the words “tohu va’ bohu” (pronounced phonetically: toe’-who vah bow’-who)The Hebrew English lexicon defines them as: Tohu: formless, confusion, unreality, emptiness, chaos, waste. Bohu: emptiness. Va simply means “and”.God did not create earth a formless, confused, empty, chaotic mess. Such a creation would not meet the Biblical criteria for God’s work. God’s work is perfect. - Deuteronomy 32:4 - He is the Rock, His work is perfect; For all His ways are justice, A God of truth and without injustice; Righteous and upright is He.God’s work is glorious. - Psalm 111:3 - His work is honorable and glorious, And His righteousness endures foreverGod did not create or cause the earth to be “tohu” Isaiah 45:18 - For thus says the LORD, Who created the heavens, Who is God, Who formed the earth and made it, Who has established it, Who did not create it in vain, Who formed it to be inhabited: “ I am the LORD, and there is no other.The word “vain” here is “tohu”
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QUOTE (bethog @ Apr 2 2009, 04:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Christina @ Nov 2 2008, 07:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
...God destroyed this age because of Satan's rebellion.This is called the Katabole in Greek...
I do believe that there was a creation before the six days creation and the seven day which God rested. You call it “the first earth age” but it does not matter what we call it as long as we know what we are talking about.Genesis 1:1 - In the beginning God created the heavens and the earthThis is clear that God had created the earth already in Genesis 1:1. In verse 2 we read, “The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was] on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters”.To understand this verse we have to look at the Hebrew. God did not create the earth “without form, and void” That state of things came later. The original language of the Bible reveals this to us. The Hebrew words translated “without form, and void” are the words “tohu va’ bohu” (pronounced phonetically: toe’-who vah bow’-who)The Hebrew English lexicon defines them as: Tohu: formless, confusion, unreality, emptiness, chaos, waste. Bohu: emptiness. Va simply means “and”.God did not create earth a formless, confused, empty, chaotic mess. Such a creation would not meet the Biblical criteria for God’s work. God’s work is perfect. - Deuteronomy 32:4 - He is the Rock, His work is perfect; For all His ways are justice, A God of truth and without injustice; Righteous and upright is He.God’s work is glorious. - Psalm 111:3 - His work is honorable and glorious, And His righteousness endures foreverGod did not create or cause the earth to be “tohu” Isaiah 45:18 - For thus says the LORD, Who created the heavens, Who is God, Who formed the earth and made it, Who has established it, Who did not create it in vain, Who formed it to be inhabited: “ I am the LORD, and there is no other.The word “vain” here is “tohu”
Bethog are you reading Christina's post(s) correctly. She is not saying God destroys the planet Earth. She is only saying God destroys an age.The First Earth Age is Genesis 1:1, 2The Second Earth Age (which is we are in now) starts from Genesis 1:3 and ends when we are changed back into our original body, the spirit body. (I Corinthians 15:51, 52)And lastly you are saying some of the things she already knows, yet you can't comprehend her post(s)?
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QUOTE (Jordan @ Apr 3 2009, 12:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Bethog are you reading Christina's post(s) correctly.
Did you read what she wrote?
QUOTE (Christina @ Nov 3 2008, 02:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
God created the Earth first earth age . . . . . . God destroyed this age because of Satan's rebellion
And did you read what I wrote?
QUOTE (bethog @ Apr 2 2009, 11:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
God did not create or cause the earth to be “tohu”
In other words I disagree on "that God destroyed the earth or as she called it "the first earth age" and I proved that with Scripture. Can you prove with Scripture this “First Earth Age" story if you do not agree that it mean "a creation of the earth before the six days creation"?
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QUOTE (bethog @ Apr 2 2009, 06:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Jordan @ Apr 2 2009, 05:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
...Bethog are you reading Christina's post(s) correctly. ...
Did you read what she wrote?
QUOTE (Christina @ Nov 2 2008, 07:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
God created the Earthfirst earth age . . . . . .God destroyed this age because of Satan's rebellion
And did you read what I wrote?
QUOTE (bethog @ Apr 2 2009, 04:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
...God did not create or cause the earth to be “tohu”
In other words I disagree on "that God destroyed the earth or as she called it "the first earth age" and I proved that with Scripture. Can you prove with Scripture this “First Earth Age" story if you do not agree that it mean "a creation of the earth before the six days creation"?
If you read the whole post of hers, you might be able to understand. And you are telling me that THE righteous Judge made no judgment calls and action for Satan's rebellion, who is the leader of the mess? And if you read Genesis 1:1 correctly, It says IN THE BEGINNING. IT DOES NOT SAY GOD CREATED THE HEAVEN AND THE EARTH AT DAY 1. The Earth became without form and void. (Genesis 1:2, Jeremiah 4:23)
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If I may weigh in here sense you two are debating my post Jordan is corret I never said that the earth was destroyed God made the earth then It "became" void and without form ...Why? not because he created it void, but because he made it void It BECAME void when he ended the first earth age .... Genesis 1:2 "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep."In the Hebrew translation of the word, "was", as used in this verse "...the earth was without form,..."; in the original text it reads "became without form...". This same mistranslation of the word "became", and turning it into the word "was" is also present in Genesis 2:7. It should read there; "..and man became a living soul." Hebrew word #1961 hayah (haw-yaw); a primitive root [compare 1933]; to exist, i.e. be or become, come to pass (always emphatic, and not a mere copula or auxiliary)Gen 1:3 is the begining of our current earth age .... And he will end this age ... by melting the rudiments (elements and making a New heaven and earthsee link for a more indepth language studyhttp://www.christian...hp?showtopic=79
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QUOTE (Christina @ Nov 3 2008, 02:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We are not told a lot about this first earth age, The Bible is about this earth age God wants our attention here and now not on the past, he doesn't tell us much about the third earth age either, for the same reason, However there will be a third just as there was a first. We do have a few scriptures and lots of scientific evidence of this first earth age. God destroyed this age because of Satan's rebellion.This is called the Katabole in Greek New earth like the first?1And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Ok, so you two have this line "first earth age". You can not explain what it is and give Scripture in context to prove your statement. Rev 21:1 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. In Revelations we see about the new Heaven and the new Earth and this means really “Earth” not only a time frame. And I do believe these three stages of the earth. Now if you use this Scripture to prove your “first and third earth age” theory, in other words only a time frame, how can you use the Scripture which talk about the physical earth to prove your “time frame theory”.So I am speaking about the Word of God and the physical earth He created and it seems like you two talk about some mysterious “earth age time frame theory sort of something” and then I bow out of this heresy, I made the mistake in thinking that you spoke about God and the earth He created.
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May God cause the increase.Genesis 1:1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep....Void be definition "now" means "to empty", but void in the use of the King James translators' days, it also meant "empty", and not just "to empty". It is because of the progress of mankind that in the course of use of words and thereby applying it to cultural trend and its every day's usage, "empty" was dropped as "to empty" was kept as the solitary meaning of "void".There was no age before mankind was created. Death was not in the world yet. If death came into the world before sin entered therein, then Adam is not at fault, but he was. Adam being the sole cause of sin and death entering into the world by which creation groaneth awaiting for the lifting of the curse. God used Adam as a springboard for the glory of Jesus Christ as the Saviour: Roman 5:8-21Dinosaurs lived with mankind. The behemoth is described in Job 40 as one having a tail like a cedar which is a tree. No elephant nor hippo has a tail like a tree. There are Peruvian potteries depicting dinosaurs... and many other evidence of dinosaurs being seen living by man and with man as fossilized footprints of a man and a dinosaur has been documented as coming across each other in Texas. Debunkers try very hard and may seem credible, but I saw the two paths crossed and they were over and on top of each other while debunkers ignore the obvious to cause doubts.And as much as science would like to present their guesswork as facts... even the use of the tools to determien age has been proven unreliable and yet they hold to them as if they are also facts, one should never try to fit science into the Bible, but use the Bible to discern the science. Science in regards to the evolution theory and the age of the earth and the universe cannot say that God is deceptive when creation design requires maturity to be set up and operating to go.. Adam was a man.. not a baby... he needs to be a man to take care of the baby as all creation does. Trees bearing fruit and plants bearing seeds also requires maturity to start seeding new growth as the mature animals and man are living upon the earth eating the maurure fruits & herbs thereof. When God wanted the lights from the heavens and the moon to govern the earth by night, that means as He spoke, the power of God makes it so as the source of the lights in the heavens are seen as well as the gap between the earth and that source of light is filled with that light to be seen that night as God spoke... and so it is so.So science can be run and presented by fallible men, but the Word of God is true.Nothing was created by Satan in any other earth age because of this word alone.John 1: 1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2The same was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. Verse 3 says it all. So let us stop worrying about how bad science make the Bible look and just look at how bad the Bible makes science look. Believe in God. Believe also in Jesus. Use the King James Bible for the correct meaning of God's words.
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You are thinking flesh no one said flesh existed before this age we were in the same incoruptable bodies we will return to a Christs coming...Although you free to believe what you like as its not a matter of salvation to understand this scripture states there was a first earth age ... Understanding it is about understanding Gods plan for the ages and why we are in a flesh age, why Satan was rebelling from the first.Why science says the earth is very old ..All these little unanswered questions.... God has foretold us all things whether or not we understand them is another And its not the word void alone it says it BECAME void something has to be a thing before it become something else.there are other scriptures as stated Jeremiah 4:22 - For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge. Jeremiah 4:23 - I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light. Jeremiah 4:24 - I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. Jeremiah 4:25 - I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled. Jeremiah 4:26 - I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger. Jeremiah 4:27 - For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end. KJV II Peter 3:6 - Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: Wycliff Bible says of this: 2 Peter3:5 But it is hid from them willing this thing, that heavens were before, and the earth of water was standing by water, by God's word [that heavens were first, and the earth of water and by water being, or standing, together by God's word]; 6 by which [things] that same world cleansed, then by water perished. Thus ended the first earth Age and the world became Void ........Then we start this age Gen 1:3 WycB 2 Peter 3:7 But the heavens that now be, and the earth, be kept by the same word, and be reserved to fire into the day of doom and perdition of wicked men. [Forsooth the heavens that now be, and the earth, by the same word put again, be kept to fire into the day of doom and perdition of unpious men.]
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Pariah, let me if I can help you on this subject. We are not talking about humans with all due respect... We are talking about us in our original body, the spirit body. There were no humans (flesh in the First Earth Age. It's color-coded for easier reading. Hope this helps.I assure you that God did not create the world starting with sin, nor is the Earth is 6,000 years old.Genesis 1:1 - In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.Isaiah 45:18 - For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.II Peter 3:5 - For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:Genesis 1:2 - And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.Jeremiah 4:22 - For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.Jeremiah 4:23 - I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.Jeremiah 4:24 - I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.Jeremiah 4:25 - I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.Jeremiah 4:26 - I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.Jeremiah 4:27 - For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.II Peter 3:6 - Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:Genesis 1:3 - And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.II Peter 3:7 - But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.II Peter 3:8 - But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.Color coded for easier reading.
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You are thinking flesh no one said flesh existed before this age we were in the same incoruptable bodies we will return to a Christs coming...Although you free to believe what you like as its not a matter of salvation to understand this scripture states there was a first earth age ... Understanding it is about understanding Gods plan for the ages and why we are in a flesh age, why Satan was rebelling from the first.Why science says the earth is very old ..All these little unanswered questions.... God has foretold us all things whether or not we understand them is another And its not the word void alone it says it BECAME void something has to be a thing before it become something else.

Not according to the King James Bible. Genesis 1:1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep....

there are other scriptures as stated Jeremiah 4:22 - For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge. Jeremiah 4:23 - I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light. Jeremiah 4:24 - I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. Jeremiah 4:25 - I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled. Jeremiah 4:26 - I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger. Jeremiah 4:27 - For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.

The Lord may have referenced before the beginning of creation at verse 23, but that was it. You cannot say that He kept speaking of that time when He was referencing other moments in time in how creation responds to Him leading up to what He would do to the rebellious in that chapter.

KJV II Peter 3:6 - Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

That is referencing the Flood.

Wycliff Bible says of this: 2 Peter3:5 But it is hid from them willing this thing, that heavens were before, and the earth of water was standing by water, by God's word [that heavens were first, and the earth of water and by water being, or standing, together by God's word]; 6 by which [things] that same world cleansed, then by water perished.

Again, I read that as speaking of how God has set the boundaries in creation and has changed it to flood the world.

Thus ended the first earth Age and the world became Void ........Then we start this age Gen 1:3

I do not see any possibility of anything leading up to that conclusion by the King James Bible. The world did not become void. It was without form which was mentioned first and void as meaning empty. That is all.

WycB 2 Peter 3:7 But the heavens that now be, and the earth, be kept by the same word, and be reserved to fire into the day of doom and perdition of wicked men. [Forsooth the heavens that now be, and the earth, by the same word put again, be kept to fire into the day of doom and perdition of unpious men.]

Wrong application, but yes, God promised not to Flood the world again, but a fire is coming. I know that.
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If you notice in 2 Peter its refers to heavens and earth the flood had nothing to do with the heavens futher more it did not destroy the earth it kllid all humans and animals but it did not make it void and the KJV is english you must go to the original Hebrew to see this and the wyclff is and older bible its translated closer to the greek thats why I presented it.. I dont recommend anything for study except KJV but in certain verse you can get a little better translation of the greek or hebrew Heres a better study on the language http://www.christian...irst-earth-age/
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Pariah, God flooded the Earth before Noah's Flood ever existed. So yes Noah's Flood is the second flood ever existed and the last one too.P.S. Do you rely on a translation? or do we rely on God? Translations are imperfect. There are some errors in the translation.
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Pariah, let me if I can help you on this subject. We are not talking about humans with all due respect... We are talking about us in our original body, the spirit body. There were no humans (flesh in the First Earth Age. It's color-coded for easier reading. Hope this helps.I assure you that God did not create the world starting with sin, nor is the Earth is 6,000 years old.Genesis 1:1 - In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.Isaiah 45:18 - For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.II Peter 3:5 - For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:Genesis 1:2 - And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.Jeremiah 4:22 - For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.Jeremiah 4:23 - I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.Jeremiah 4:24 - I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.Jeremiah 4:25 - I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.Jeremiah 4:26 - I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.Jeremiah 4:27 - For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.II Peter 3:6 - Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:Genesis 1:3 - And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.II Peter 3:7 - But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.II Peter 3:8 - But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.Color coded for easier reading.

Well, thanks for trying to explain it better by color coding certain highlights that you believe would add weight to the theme of the first age of the earth, but it hasn't changed my view at all.If you consider the fact that it does not bring any further glory to Jesus Christ by having this first age of the earth as scriptures are to testify of Jesus Christ ( John 5:39-40), then we read Genesis as it is plainly written... without commentary or any future "revelation" to understand that what those that read the Old Testament would understand plainly as God words are written. To believe otherwise is to imply that Satan had a kingdom on the earth with his creations that were destroyed by God thus giving a false belief that there is some kind of war going on between God and Satan as if Satan can war against God. If anything, this teaching would set the groundwork for the rebellion at the end of the 1000 year reign of Christ if one believed Satan is just as powerful as God in creation and that they have a fifty fifty chance of winning if they side with Satan.Satan did not create anything. John 1:1-3 states that nothing that was made was made apart from the Word.To imply a body that was celestial and then became terrestrial goes against the purpose of these words written.1 Corinthians 15:45And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 46Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 47The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven. 48As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. 49And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. 50Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. Verse 46 goes against the precept for the first earth age.I would have to say that this first earth age falls under the category of fables. For us to be spiritual and then become natural... would suggest that when we become spiritual, we can become natural again. I do not believe that.

If you notice in 2 Peter its refers to heavens and earth the flood had nothing to do with the heavens futher more it did not destroy the earth it kllid all humans and animals but it did not make it void and the KJV is english you must go to the original Hebrew to see this and the wyclff is and older bible its translated closer to the greek thats why I presented it.. I dont recommend anything for study except KJV but in certain verse you can get a little better translation of the greek or hebrew Heres a better study on the language http://www.christian...irst-earth-age/

Yes it does deal with the Flood as the Flood cannot happened unless God changed the parameters of His creation, and thus after the Flood had occurred, He made a promise by a rainbow to not flood the earth again, thus restoring His parameters that He had changed to cause the Flood to a modified state held by the Word of God for future judgment by God through fire.
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With all due respect, where on my post did I ever say that Satan create anything? I didn't. You are adding words into my mouth that I did not say. Secondly I Corinthians 15:44-50 is talking about this Earth Age, the second Earth Age. You are taking scriptures referring to this Earth Age to disprove the Earth Age before this Earth Age. It doesn't work that way.Secondly, this knowledge has nothing to do with salvation whatsoever, but to understand the plan of God, the beginning and the end. I do respect your wish not to believe, but I have no need to further discuss this. The spiritual body is our true natural body. I'm not concern with your lack of understanding plus trying to add words into my mouth whatsoever.
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Pariah, God flooded the Earth before Noah's Flood ever existed. So yes Noah's Flood is the second flood ever existed and the last one too.P.S. Do you rely on a translation? or do we rely on God? Translations are imperfect. There are some errors in the translation.

I rely on God to show me wisdom in reading His words as well as trusting Him to keep His written words for those that seek Him. Otherwise your signature referencing those two verses would have little meaning, now would they?
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With all due respect, where on my post did I ever say that Satan create anything? I didn't. You are adding words into my mouth that I did not say. Secondly I Corinthians 15:44-50 is talking about this Earth Age, the second Earth Age. You are taking scriptures referring to this Earth Age to disprove the Earth Age before this Earth Age. It doesn't work that way.Secondly, this knowledge has nothing to do with salvation whatsoever, but to understand the plan of God, the beginning and the end. I do respect your wish not to believe, but I have no need to further discuss this. The spiritual body is our true natural body. I'm not concern with your lack of understanding plus trying to add words into my mouth whatsoever.

I apologize if you are thinking that I am saying you are saying that.But do not mistake what you are saying with what is being implied here as well. Yes, I acknowledge that you did not say that Satan created anything, but as you are referring to the topic, so am I referring to the topic and all of its implications. For God to make the world void because of the rebellion of Satan is what? The other poster mentioned dinosaurs before man so some flesh is involved here. Why destroy the life that was and the world that was, unless Satan had something to do with it since it is referring to the rebellion of Satan? Its implication takes me back to a satanist that I had come across in high school that believed Satan had his creation in the world, and God was jealous and removed it. So just for future reference and a heads up, this first earth age falls nicely in line with their beliefs as you will have a hard time prying them away from it. I am fully aware that this knowledge has nothing to do with salvation, but I do bear testimony that it may strengthen the wicked in their wickedness.Scriptures applied can work that way in regards to what scriptures were written for: to testify of Jesus Christ. There is no point to this First Earth Age at all that testifies of Jesus Christ... thus there is no point in referencing them in the scriptures in regards to the First Earth Age. Death cannot be in the world before sin came... otherwise Satan was responsible for bringing death into the world, not Adam. If creation suffered because of sin and death, where was the deliverance for creation in the First Earth Age to be made perfect for the fall in the second Earth Age? If you say... there is no point for it, then what does that mean for creation of this earth age in regards to Jesus Christ? Vanity? Some empty glory of God? I do not believe that either.May God cause the increase to show the futility and the fableness of this First Earth Age's beliefs.
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With all due respect,

I am fully aware that this knowledge has nothing to do with salvation, but I do bear testimony that it may strengthen the wicked in their wickedness.

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May God cause the increase to show the futility and the fableness of this First Earth Age's beliefs.

This is nothing more than making a blind call coming from you. The bible is pretty much about this Earth Age solely... only a very few place that talks about the First Earth Age... the same goes with the Third and Final Earth Age (New Earth and Heaven) (Revelation 21:1, Isaiah 65:17, Isaiah 66:22) The Bible about 97-98% speaks of the NOW... 1-2% speaks about the First Earth Earth and the Final Earth Age.Blessings
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With all due respect,This is nothing more than making a blind call coming from you. The bible is pretty much about this Earth Age solely... only a very few place that talks about the First Earth Age... the same goes with the Third and Final Earth Age (New Earth and Heaven) (Revelation 21:1, Isaiah 65:17, Isaiah 66:22) The Bible about 97-98% speaks of the NOW... 1-2% speaks about the First Earth Earth and the Final Earth Age.Blessings

Not to be argumentative, but I do wish to call your attention to several key points of deviation.It is your interpretation of the Bible in supporting the First Earth Age's teaching as being one before Adam that is a blind call. Do consider that this belief is calling to what? What is the end result of that belief in regards to the truth? That evolution theory may be true: That the satanic belief of God wiping out the creation that was before mankind was out of jealousy towards Satan and his "creation" otherwise why would the living beings belonging to God suffer on account of Satan's rebellion?So what is the blind call and what is of the truth?That dinosaurs existed before man whereas Job 40 says they existed with man.Nothing has been created before as the King James has it written because the earth was without form first so one cannot say that there was something there if it was without form first and thus how can it become empty when it simply stated that the earth was without form and void as meaning empty in the context and usage of the flow of the language.Do you deny how the evolution theory has turned many away from the Word of God and Jesus?Are you aware of the satanic belief that would utilize that First Earth Age teaching as supportive to their belief that God is evil and Satan is good?As the 1-2 % speaks according to you & a few others in regards to this teaching as presented by the OP as being found in the Bible, it is not in how I am reading the King James Bible. You had mentioned that it was not dealing with flesh but yet the poster made reference to dinosaurs being before man so are your views of the First Earth Age in line with the OP's and if not, then mayhap that is the reason I am not understanding your take on the topic as I addressed all the implications as well as direct statements given in this thread in regards to this teaching which I see as false and misleading.So it is not a blind call to make you aware of this teaching as clouding up the knowledge of the Truth of Whom you are to be witnesses of, because as you were offended by my responses, then imagine the offenses this teaching can give to others weak in faith as the world is already hammering away at those not grounded in the word to keep the faith against the lies in the world. This false teaching of the First Earth Age is giving grounds for these lies.This "so-called" hidden knowledge as given by God does not edify anyone in the knowledge of Him so why would God bother to impart such knowledge that undermines what is plainly written to lead others away from Him? He would not.
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Does not edify .... How can one make that statement if God hadnt wanted us to know these things he wouldnt have written them? Not one iota of Gods Word is not worth knowing because I learned these things I better understand the whole bible and Gods plan ...will not knowing these things affect your salvation , no, not directly but it makes it much easier to be lead astray not knowing them. Saying is does not edify is a lie .... Sense you dont know these things ... You can not make a judgement on what you do not know Do you understand Rev. in its entirety ? You cant fully understand the End if you do not know the begining ... Choosing to stay in the dark because men do not teach things does not edify one ...It just makes one in the dark... We choose to know all our God has to say ... That is edifying!..God himself has written deeper things and mysteries in the Word What does He say about this He tells us LEARN this meat do not stay in the milk...another words milk alone will not sustain one. So you say it does not edify... Gods says Learn these things ..Who is it you think is right? Now as I said you dont want to know/believe these things thats entirley your choice ... But passing a jugdement on those of us that do want to know that do teach them as God intended... Do you find that edifying?
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Does not edify .... How can one make that statement if God hadnt wanted us to know these things he wouldnt have written them? Not one iota of Gods Word is not worth knowing because I learned these things I better understand the whole bible and Gods plan ...will not knowing these things affect your salvation , no, not directly but it makes it much easier to be lead astray not knowing them. Saying is does not edify is a lie .... Sense you dont know these things ... You can not make a judgement on what you do not know Do you understand Rev. in its entirety ? You cant fully understand the End if you do not know the begining ... Choosing to stay in the dark because men do not teach things does not edify one ...It just makes one in the dark... We choose to know all our God has to say ... That is edifying!..God himself has written deeper things and mysteries in the Word What does He say about this He tells us LEARN this meat do not stay in the milk...another words milk alone will not sustain one. So you say it does not edify... Gods says Learn these things ..Who is it you think is right? Now as I said you dont want to know/believe these things thats entirley your choice ... But passing a jugdement on those of us that do want to know that do teach them as God intended... Do you find that edifying?

What you are talking about is not meat. Meat is for defending the faith against aspostasy so that we may present the believers as a chaste bride to Christ Jesus by His grace by the mystery we do preach that Christ is in you.What you are talking about is that you believe dinosaurs existed before man. That is flesh. You cannot have one without the other. You cannot say that you are not talking about flesh when you are talking about dinosaurs.What you are talking about takes away the validity of God's words when behemoth is a description of a dinosaur in Job 40. That means you are compromising what the Bible says for the sake of man's assumptions in science. And by doing so, you are reading inbetween the lines for something to defend the faith in the Bible and Jesus so it would be backed up by "man" in science.What you are talking about takes away the glory of Jesus Christ by saying that death was in the world before Adam came. What would be the point of creation before Adam? God goofed? God was experimenting until He got it right? You say God destroyed or laid waste the earth before and yet how then can Adam be responsible for bringing death in the world by his sin if it was already in the world before Adam came? How can creation groaneth for the redemption of the children of God if that does not really guarantee anything for them, being how creation was already in the earth and death came and here they are again, but this time sin entered into the world and death by sin, but wait. In according to the First Earth Age, it was already in the world or was it? In according to the glory of God found only in Jesus Christ, there is no point nor purpose for the First Earth Age to even be mentioned since everything centered in the Bible on the first man that brought sin and death into the world, and thereby is the glory of Jesus Christ is known as life is through believing in Him.Did the disciples preached this belief as a good work to maintain? No. All I am asking you to do is consider that if the Serpent Seed doctrine and the First Earth Age are not the fables that believers in the latter days will turn their ears towards, then where are those fables?I don't see you preaching against any specific fable that believers have an itching ear for so where is it?Nowhere in sight. I do not see anything anywhere else either in other forums, but I have heard of the Serpent Seed doctrine in other forums and the reference to the first earth age as a belief from the Satanic Bible. Oh, yeah.. it is there.So how can you NOT take pause in what you are doing?What did Paul say? 1 Corinthians 2:2 Then do that instead, by His grace.
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Does not edify .... How can one make that statement if God hadnt wanted us to know these things he wouldnt have written them? Not one iota of Gods Word is not worth knowing because I learned these things I better understand the whole bible and Gods plan ...will not knowing these things affect your salvation , no, not directly but it makes it much easier to be lead astray not knowing them. Saying is does not edify is a lie .... Sense you dont know these things ... You can not make a judgement on what you do not know Do you understand Rev. in its entirety ? You cant fully understand the End if you do not know the begining ... Choosing to stay in the dark because men do not teach things does not edify one ...It just makes one in the dark... We choose to know all our God has to say ... That is edifying!..God himself has written deeper things and mysteries in the Word What does He say about this He tells us LEARN this meat do not stay in the milk...another words milk alone will not sustain one. So you say it does not edify... Gods says Learn these things ..Who is it you think is right? Now as I said you dont want to know/believe these things thats entirley your choice ... But passing a jugdement on those of us that do want to know that do teach them as God intended... Do you find that edifying?

What you are talking about is not meat. Meat is for defending the faith against aspostasy so that we may present the believers as a chaste bride to Christ Jesus by His grace by the mystery we do preach that Christ is in you.What you are talking about is that you believe dinosaurs existed before man. That is flesh. You cannot have one without the other. You cannot say that you are not talking about flesh when you are talking about dinosaurs.What you are talking about takes away the validity of God's words when behemoth is a description of a dinosaur in Job 40. That means you are compromising what the Bible says for the sake of man's assumptions in science. And by doing so, you are reading inbetween the lines for something to defend the faith in the Bible and Jesus so it would be backed up by "man" in science.What you are talking about takes away the glory of Jesus Christ by saying that death was in the world before Adam came. What would be the point of creation before Adam? God goofed? God was experimenting until He got it right? You say God destroyed or laid waste the earth before and yet how then can Adam be responsible for bringing death in the world by his sin if it was already in the world before Adam came? How can creation groaneth for the redemption of the children of God if that does not really guarantee anything for them, being how creation was already in the earth and death came and here they are again, but this time sin entered into the world and death by sin, but wait. In according to the First Earth Age, it was already in the world or was it? In according to the glory of God found only in Jesus Christ, there is no point nor purpose for the First Earth Age to even be mentioned since everything centered in the Bible on the first man that brought sin and death into the world, and thereby is the glory of Jesus Christ is known as life is through believing in Him.Did the disciples preached this belief as a good work to maintain? No. All I am asking you to do is consider that if the Serpent Seed doctrine and the First Earth Age are not the fables that believers in the latter days will turn their ears towards, then where are those fables?I don't see you preaching against any specific fable that believers have an itching ear for so where is it?Nowhere in sight. I do not see anything anywhere else either in other forums, but I have heard of the Serpent Seed doctrine in other forums and the reference to the first earth age as a belief from the Satanic Bible. Oh, yeah.. it is there.So how can you NOT take pause in what you are doing?What did Paul say? 1 Corinthians 2:2 Then do that instead, by His grace.

Milk is for basic knowledge of faith. (salvlation, repentance, faith etc) Meat, however is for deeper knowledge of God's Words... And that is absolutely what God want us to do to make sure we aren't being led astray. In the bible, did you not know that angels (spirits) are also classified as men also? (Isaiah 14:16, Genesis 19:1, 10, 12, 15)Let me ask you a question... in your life, have you ever seen a live dinosaur ever existed? Or do you see fossils of dinosaurs? Or none of the above? With all due respect, in my honest opinion, I think you are trying way too hard in trying to disprove what God Himself said and through His prophet Jeremiah and Christ's Apostle Peter just said... In fact Christ even talked about an Age.
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Milk is for basic knowledge of faith. (salvlation, repentance, faith etc) Meat, however is for deeper knowledge of God's Words... And that is absolutely what God want us to do to make sure we aren't being led astray. In the bible, did you not know that angels (spirits) are also classified as men also? (Isaiah 14:16, Genesis 19:1, 10, 12, 15)

Isaiah 14:16 is part of a proverb taken up against the King Of Babylon. By His grace, please note that so when the Word of the Lord referenced Lucifer to this king, he will know what will happen to him.Isaiah 14: 4That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased! 5The LORD hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers. 6He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth. 7The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing. 8Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us. 9Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations. 10All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us? 11Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee. 12How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 13For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. 15Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.Now after referencing Lucifer to give an example, the Lord went back to addressing what will happen to this king. Isaiah 14: 16They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; 17That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners? 18All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house. 19But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet. 20Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned. 21Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities. 22For I will rise up against them, saith the LORD of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the LORD. 23I will also make it a possession for the bittern, and pools of water: and I will sweep it with the besom of destruction, saith the LORD of hosts. 24The LORD of hosts hath sworn, saying, Surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass; and as I have purposed, so shall it stand:You cannot say that the Lord was speaking to Lucifer at this time, but giving a reference about Lucifer within this proverb to the King of Babylon whom was thinking like Lucifer. Afterwards, the Lord changed His address to Assyria.Your next reference is using the term for the purpose of giving account.Genesis 19:1And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground; 5And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them. ..... 10But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door. 11And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door. 12And the men said unto Lot, Hast thou here any besides? son in law, and thy sons, and thy daughters, and whatsoever thou hast in the city, bring them out of this place: ..... 15And when the morning arose, then the angels hastened Lot, saying, Arise, take thy wife, and thy two daughters, which are here; lest thou be consumed in the iniquity of the city. 16And while he lingered, the men laid hold upon his hand, and upon the hand of his wife, and upon the hand of his two daughters; the LORD being merciful unto him: and they brought him forth, and set him without the city.From verse 5, those wanting to see the "two visitors" addressed them as men. They did not see them as angels to fear them. This interchange between the terms angels and the men were for addressing that they were the one and the same that these wicked people were asking for as these same angels were the men being physical in dealing with Lot.Reading implications from these scriptures to support a teaching is the same as pentecostal and charismatic are doing by seeking another spirit to receive as if supported by the Book of Acts of more than one baptism of the Spirit which there isn't any.Here is the subject plainly talked about in scriptures about angels being able to mingle with mankind.Matthew 22: 29Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. 30For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.Do you believe Jesus or not?1 Corinthians 15: 36Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: 37And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain: 38But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body. 39All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. 40There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.Seen any fossilized bones of fallen angels? It is because they are celestial: a different body. The bodies they are in cannot die. Terrestrial bodies can. As all flesh is not the same flesh, and to every seed his own body, then the celestial which are not marrying nor given in marriage, and neither are there any seeds after their own kind as a celestial being, even in a fallen state, cannot reproduce between mankind any more than mankind can reproduce with animals. Why? Because God has ordained it.Too much credence has been given to Satan and his fallen angels as interfering in God's plan in creation. For all the bravado, Satan cannot do anything unless God permits it.If Jesus said that angels are not marrying nor given in marriage, then by the union God gives in marriage, the sons of God cannot be angels for them to be able to take the daughters of men as "wives" to be called "wives". Do you really think God is ordaining same sex union even though some sinner is joining them? In God's eyes, they are still not married. Then neither are angels created to not be marrying nor given in marriage would be taking wives as joined to be one flesh by God being how they are not the same flesh. Certainly be not of truth to still call them the sons of God if they be fallen agnels to "take wives" unto themselves and thus why would God join them?Since all life from the womb is of the Lord as children are a heritage from the Lord, nothing can be created outside of Him.No matter how you look at it, there are mounting contradictions in pursuing this "fable". What is plainly written in scriptures reproves this fable as a false teaching.

Let me ask you a question... in your life, have you ever seen a live dinosaur ever existed? Or do you see fossils of dinosaurs? Or none of the above? With all due respect, in my honest opinion, I think you are trying way too hard in trying to disprove what God Himself said and through His prophet Jeremiah and Christ's Apostle Peter just said... In fact Christ even talked about an Age.

In all due respect to God's words, are you sure you are not trying too hard in ignoring the description of a dinosaur in Job 40 for some fleeting vanity of having some secret knowledge of a former age? I believe His Word.Job 40: 15Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox. 16Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly. 17He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together. 18His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron. 19He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him.
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Pariah: Thanks for another delivery of the truth in this color coded mish mash of error.Josiahdefender
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These maybe your take on these verse's Pariah but that doesnt make it the right or only take You of course can believe what you like ..but as far as I know your view is just that.Your view There are many other verses about this that are not posted here and the ones you have addressed I dont happen to agree with your view entirley.. The whole Bible fits together like a puzzle and you cant just decide this is this and that is that without considering the whole plan/picture IMHO I dont think your view does that. So as I said your entitled to have your view thats fine with us ..but somehow you seem to think your view gives you a right to judge us for teaching our view what you decide is or isnt milk or meat is not our criteria for deciding what we teach ...We teach what we believe there is more than ample proof of We give many scriptures to prove it... If you dont agree .. You do not have to read it.. or agree with it but please stop trying to tell us we should teach only what you think appropriate for reasons you deem important.We teach what we believe God's Word says.
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Pariah: Thanks for another delivery of the truth in this color coded mish mash of error.Josiahdefender

I thank the Lord for enabling me as I hope and pray He may deliver some from the snares of these fables to serving the Lord Jesus Christ by keeping the faith which is the good fight.Colossians 4: 3Withal praying also for us, that God would open unto us a door of utterance, to speak the mystery of Christ, for which I am also in bonds: 4That I may make it manifest, as I ought to speak. 5Walk in wisdom toward them that are without, redeeming the time. Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.Romans 16: 24The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen. 25Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, 26But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:Colossians 1:26Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: 27To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: 28Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:2 Corinthians 11:1Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me. 2For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. 3But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.1 Timothy 4: 1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 2 Corinthians 13: 5Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?1 Corinthians 6:15Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid. 16What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh. 17But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit. 18Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. 19What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.Ephesians 5:15See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise, 16Redeeming the time, because the days are evil. 17Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.
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God doesnt write fables only men continue in their fables and lies and traditions of menAmos 8:11 Behold,the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD2 Peter3: 5 But it is hid from them willing this thing, that heavens were before, and the earth of water was standing by water, by God's word [that heavens were first, and the earth of water and by water being, or standing, together by God's word]; One who think's this was Noahs flood which was never hid and in fact exist in folklore in every civiliztion of mankind and thinks as the manscripts say that Noahs flood destroyed the heavens is listening to men. God promises to Make a New heaven and a New Earth one thinking he could not do it before limits the powers of God. 6 by which [things] that same world cleansed, then by water perished. 7 But the heavens that now be, and the earth, be kept by the same word, and be reserved to fire into the day of doom and perdition of wicked men. [Forsooth the heavens that now be, and the earth, by the same word put again, be kept to fire into the day of doom and perdition of unpious men.] 8 But, ye most dear, this one thing be not hid to you [be not unknown], that one day with God is as a thousand years, and a thousand years be as one day [and a thousand years as one day]. 9 The Lord tarrieth not his promise, as some [men] guess, but he doeth patiently for you, and will not that any man perish [not willing any to perish], but that all turn again to penance. 10 For the day of the Lord shall come as a thief, in which heavens with great rush shall pass [in which heavens with great rush, or fierceness, shall pass], and elements shall be dissolved by heat, and the earth, and all the works that be in it, shall be burnt.
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I was talking with this old man at work today. I always ask him about when he was on the ark. I asked him today,,, "Why didn't God have you guys put a sail on that thing?Without missing a beat he said,,, "Cause we had those two Johnson motors out back" http://www.christian...tyle_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif So, now inlight of the supposed 50k y/o spark plug on top of the mountain, I believe in the first earth age, and they didn't even have flying cars. So now I feel better.
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God doesnt write fables only men continue in their fables and lies and traditions of menAmos 8:11 Behold,the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD2 Peter3: 5 But it is hid from them willing this thing, that heavens were before, and the earth of water was standing by water, by God's word [that heavens were first, and the earth of water and by water being, or standing, together by God's word]; One who think's this was Noahs flood which was never hid and in fact exist in folklore in every civiliztion of mankind and thinks as the manscripts say that Noahs flood destroyed the heavens is listening to men. God promises to Make a New heaven and a New Earth one thinking he could not do it before limits the powers of God. 6 by which [things] that same world cleansed, then by water perished. 7 But the heavens that now be, and the earth, be kept by the same word, and be reserved to fire into the day of doom and perdition of wicked men. [Forsooth the heavens that now be, and the earth, by the same word put again, be kept to fire into the day of doom and perdition of unpious men.] 8 But, ye most dear, this one thing be not hid to you [be not unknown], that one day with God is as a thousand years, and a thousand years be as one day [and a thousand years as one day]. 9 The Lord tarrieth not his promise, as some [men] guess, but he doeth patiently for you, and will not that any man perish [not willing any to perish], but that all turn again to penance. 10 For the day of the Lord shall come as a thief, in which heavens with great rush shall pass [in which heavens with great rush, or fierceness, shall pass], and elements shall be dissolved by heat, and the earth, and all the works that be in it, shall be burnt.

Is that what's throwing you for a loop? The heavens before? Did you not know that it did not rain on the earth before the Flood? The heavens had to be different before the Flood. Genesis 2:4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, 5And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. 6But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. If you figure in the fact that as Adam and Eve are just starting out, man is not everywhere yet to till the earth. so we have this greenhouse effect for the plant life of the earth to be cared for by the mist. So when the rain fell, the heavens and the order of things had shifted. We have evidence of that a meteor hit off the coast of Nova Scotia. The Mid- Atlantic Ridge shows evidence of water erosion... but how unless there was no Atlantic Ocean from before? A meteor hit in that area would cause the fountain of the deep to rise up. There is an island off of Nova Scotia of buried petrified Redwood trees in the sunken middle of that island. We have a road that starts off from South America somewhere along the coast towards Europe... so how can that be unless... the reason why the Atlantic Ocean is green is because it used to be above water as plant life that would survive the drop beneathe the water would continue to green the water while the Pacific remain crystal blue because that was the original sea. Huge buildings off the coast of Cuba are found underwater as a string of land can be determined as once connecting to the Yucatan off the coast of Mexico. So if a huge vacancy beneathe the land caused by the rising of the waters from the deep due to the gravitational pressure of the meteor impact, the land has no choice but to sink. The moon showings visible scars of meteoric hits as science determined that at one point in time, it was closer to the earth as it is being registered now as slowing moving away from the earth. The result of impact? Since the moon is responsible for the tide, what of the mist? If moved further away from the earth, would the slight gravitational pull cause the mist to rise and condense and form clouds and thus rain? Could not the combination of all this effect cause the Flood for the very first time and this one time only? Also, you might want to read what God said after the Flood.Genersis 8: 21And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done. 22While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.Reads to me that this was done for the first time, being how the reason is still the same regarding the condition of man. God did not had to do it twice to know this.So in that.. the heavens were changed from before. The moon was faceless and closer to the earth as a mist tended to the plantlife on the earth for that greenhouse effect. That is why there are plant life at Antarctica under the frozen ice shelf. That is why the Mammoth were found frozen alive with lush plant life he was eating in its mouth in the Tundra region of Siberia. That is why out of place artifacts are found as man made things cannot be dated and confirmed to be in line with the evolution theory.The answer is there in the Bible, Christine. The world and the heavens thereof was different before the Flood as we can see the after effects of that disaster with fossilized whale bones and other marine life on mountains found with fossilized animal bones and the shocking moon face to remind us thereof.
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