[tim_from_pa]

We can use this thread to discuss the Stone of Destiny and also the lineage of the Kings of Israel, but first, I gave a youtube link that will put one in the mood for this topic. Although it's basic, I think it's inspiring with the choruses. Stone of Destiny

[Jordan]

We can use this thread to discuss the Stone of Destiny and also the lineage of the Kings of Israel, but first, I gave a youtube link that will put one in the mood for this topic. Although it's basic, I think it's inspiring with the choruses. Stone of Destiny

I watched it. It sort of did got me in the mood for this topic. But I rather just watch and learn as I don't know enough YET.

[ActionJackson]

I believe that E. Raymond Capt could shed some light on this subject. I couldn't find your YouTube clip but, as I recall, there is historical evidence that the King Line of Israel was taken from the area of ancient Israel to the area known today as the British Isles.

[Christina]

Eze 17 lays the foundation for this in scripturehttp://www.christianityboard.com/index.php...&hl=chapter

[tim_from_pa]

I believe that E. Raymond Capt could shed some light on this subject. I couldn't find your YouTube clip but, as I recall, there is historical evidence that the King Line of Israel was taken from the area of ancient Israel to the area known today as the British Isles.

Yes, he put out the book "Jacob's Pillar", an easy-to-read book tracing the stone, and then some scriptures about the continuation of the Davidic Throne as well.Some critics say this is not the real stone. That does not bother me even if it wasn't. What I take notice in is this curious custom of coronating the monarchs on this stone the same way they did in the bible. Even if it was fake, where did they get these ideas? Even mythology has basis in fact. The mere pattern of such "coincidences" is another one of the many such evidences that point to Israel.

[Christina]

The Stone of Scone, also known as the Stone of Destiny, is seen as of huge significance to Scotland's nationhood. It was the seat on which generations of Kings of Scotland, and perhaps Kings of Dalriada before them, were crowned. Until 1296 it was housed at Scone Abbey, where the coronations of Kings of Scotland took place: the last being of John Balliol. But Edward I of England stripped Scotland of all emblems of nationhood in 1296, and took the Stone of Destiny to a new home in Westminster Abbey. For the next 700 years it was to be housed in a specially-built coronation chair, on which Kings and Queens of England, then of Britain, were crowned. The legend of the Stone of Destiny goes back to the foundation myth of Scotland. In about 1400BC, an Egyptian Pharaoh had a daughter called Scota, who married Goídel Glas. They were exiled from Egypt and eventuallty settled in north west Spain. Their descendents later conquered Ireland and became the Scotii, who also in time came to rule Scotland.When the descendents of Scota arrived in Scotland, the story continues, they brought with them a block of sandstone weighing 152kg. This had been used as a pillow by Jacob when he had the dream reported in Genesis about Jacob's Ladder.Morehttp://www.undiscoveredscotland.co.uk/usfe...cone/index.htmlhttp://associate.com...ne_o_scone.html

[kkboldt]

Here's another interesting website about Loughcrew and the prophet Jeremiah's tomb and the "Stone of Scone" or "Lia Fail".This goes into the writings and archaeology, too.I've have the book by E. Raymond Capt and that is very good, but this site has a little more information and pictures. Of course, I don't agree with everything there, but interesting, nonetheless.http://jahtruth.net/jere.htmKim

[hbee]

ZEDEKIAH'S DAUGHTERS 584 BC THE PROPHET JEREMIAH TAKES JEREMIAH'S DAUGHTERS TO EGYPT The daughters of King Zedekiah of Judah, enabled the royal line of inheritance to be carried forward through the female line because it was an Israel law that women were entitled to inheritance if there was no male surviving heir to the estates of both the royal family and the general populace. It seems that King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon overlooked this fact when he murdered the last surviving King of Judah - Zedekiah. Jeremiah 43.1-7 records the circumstances under which Zedekiah's daughters left Jerusalem. Also, in Jeremiah 41.1, the following record is given: Now it came to pass in the seventh (sacred) month (being the first civil month of the new civil year) that Ishmael ... came unto Gedaliah ... and there they did eat bread together ... Then arose Ishmael ... and smote Gedaliah ... And (v. 10) Ishmael carried away captive all the residue of the people that were in Mizpah, even the KING'S DAUGHTERS. These Royal Princesses were named "Scota" and "Tamar Tephi". Verses 11-14 of this 41st chapter of Jeremiah speak of one "Johanan" who rescued those captured by Ishmael and brought them to an habitation near Bethlehem, "to go to enter into EGYPT, because of the Chaldeans; for they were afraid of them" - verses 17-18. By their subsequent entry into Egypt they deliberately disobeyed the Word of the Lord which had come through Jeremiah that they should on no account go into the land of Egypt (Jeremiah 42.19), and were to remain in Palestine and not fear the Babylonians (Jeremiah 42.7-12). "So Johanan ... obeyed not the voice of the Lord ... but took all the remnant of Judah .. and the KING'S DAUGHTERS ... and Jeremiah the prophet, and Baruch (Jeremiah's scribe) ... So came they into the land of EGYPT (either late in the year or early in the following year) for they obeyed not the voice of the Lord: thus came they even to TAHPANHES." Jeremiah 43.1-7. Writing in his book "The History of Egypt" Sir Flinders Petrie says :"To this day Tahpanhes or Defneh is called 'the Fort of the Jew's Daughter'." In 582 BC, the now-known Coronation Stone of England "Jacob's Pillar" reached Ireland (Ulster) via a shipwrecked vessel at Carrickfergus. The Irish called it "Lia Fail" (Stone wonderful). Apparently there are ancient Irish records that tell of a ship of the "Iberian Danaan" becoming wrecked at Carrickfergus off the north east coast of Ireland. They also state that in this ship there was not only a Royal Princess, but also a man referred to as "Ollamh Fodhla" meaning Holy Seer or Prophet accompanied by his servant "Bruch"; and that this shipwrecked party had in their possession an historic stone called "LIA FAIL" meaning Stone Wonderful which they very highly treasured. The records conclude with an account of the marriage between the Royal Princess and "Eochaidh" the Heremon or King of Ireland, giving the Princess's name as "Tamar Tephi" meaning Palm Beautiful , an appropriate name for the one destined to fulfil Ezekiel's prophecy of the Tender Twig (Ezekiel chapter 17). Ezekiel also prophesied that the famous Pillar Stone, was to be "overturned three times" (Ezekiel 21.27), and was not be overturned again until He comes (Jesus Christ). OVERTURN 1 The taking of the stone from Jerusalem to Ireland was the first overturning of this stone, when Jeremiah and company carried the Royal Seed of Zedekiah to Ireland with them. OVERTURN 2 The throne remained in Ireland for over a thousand years until it was removed to Scotland in 503 AD. There it remained for about 800 years until it was removed again OVERTURN 3 To England in 1296 AD. Here it has remained for amost 700 years as a living witness to the faithfulness of God's years as a living witness to the faithfulness of God's unconditional covenant with His servant David that the throne would endure for ever until He (Jesus Christ) returns whose right it is. OVERTURN 4 ?? In this last decade of the twentieth century (a few years short of 6000 years after the formation of Adam) the stone was removed from Westminster Abbey in London, to Scotland for "safekeeping"? What does this mean in the light of Ezekiel's prophecy? Has the stone been overturned a fourth time? Or is it genuinely being kept in a "safe place" ready to handover to Jesus Christ, whose right it is? Returning to our main theme, the royal records state that Ollamh Fodhla preceded King Cimboath of Ulster by 230 years. The latter is generally accepted as having died in the year 353 BC; thus 230 years earlier gives a date of 583-582 BC. Eochaidh's genealogy can be traced historically. He was descended from the patriarch Judah, but through the Zara line, which entered Ireland at a very early date. Thus although the Throne was brought from Jerusalem to Ireland by Tamar Tephi who was a female, nevertheless the male seed to propogate the kingly line was also of ancient Judahite stock, descended not from the broken kingdom of Judah, but from "Judah" the patriarch himself, according to God's promise (Genesis 49.10). Thus Tamar Tephi obeyed the injunction to marry into "the tribe of her father" (Numbers 36.6). Travellers to Western Ireland who visit Loch Erne, a most picturesque inland lock with 365 small islands, may visit Devenish Island to see that tradition has always stated to be the prophet Jeremiah's burial place or tomb, carved out of solid rock. And those visiting county Meath, north of Dublin, may see Tara, the spot where Queen Tamar Tephi was interred. It is most probable that the Mergech or barrow, beneath which her remains lie, will reveal much valuable evidence when it is eventually excavated (if ever). It was her special request that the great chest brought by her to Ireland shoudl be buried beside her; and it has been suggested that this may contain Baruch's two documents of evidence mentioned in Jeremiah 32.13-15, one sealed and the other unsealed, which were to be put "in an earthen vessel, that they may continue many days". Possibly it may also contain the missing regalia of Judah, and even further sacred treasures from ancient Israel! Who knows? It is worthy of note, however, that over-ruling Providence has permitted the excavation of every other barrow in the district except the barrow of Queen Tamar Tephi! Was "Ollamh Fodhla" the prophet Jeremiah? Was Tamar Tephi Zedekiah's daughter, royal heiress to the throne of David? God has an established law of inheritance recorded in the Old Testament in Numbers 27.8 "If a man die, and have no son, then ye shall cause his inheritance (the throne in this case) to pass unto his DAUGHTER". See also Joshua 17.6

[tim_from_pa]

Excellent site, Kim. Thanks for that link.Very nice historical summary, hbee.

[kkboldt]

Excellent site, Kim. Thanks for that link.Very nice historical summary, hbee.

You're welcome! Thanks!Kim

[Stumpmaster]

Eochaidh's genealogy can be traced historically. He was descended from the patriarch Judah, but through the Zara line, which entered Ireland at a very early date. Thus although the Throne was brought from Jerusalem to Ireland by Tamar Tephi who was a female, nevertheless the male seed to propogate the kingly line was also of ancient Judahite stock, descended not from the broken kingdom of Judah, but from "Judah" the patriarch himself, according to God's promise (Genesis 49.10). Thus Tamar Tephi obeyed the injunction to marry into "the tribe of her father" (Numbers 36.6).

Numerous sites describe the flag of Ulster and explain the significance of the hand and the so-called star of David on it. "On the beautiful Ulster flag there is a "Red Hand" mounted on the "Star of David", under a Royal Crown. Why would symbols of Israel's royalty be on the flag of people who have been taught that they are gentiles?It is because they are NOT gentiles but Israelites who have lost the knowledge of their true identity and the PROOF is on the flag."http://jahtruth.co.uk/uflag.htm

[Stumpmaster]

Numerous sites describe the flag of Ulster and explain the significance of the hand and the so-called star of David on it. "On the beautiful Ulster flag there is a "Red Hand" mounted on the "Star of David", under a Royal Crown. Why would symbols of Israel's royalty be on the flag of people who have been taught that they are gentiles?It is because they are NOT gentiles but Israelites who have lost the knowledge of their true identity and the PROOF is on the flag."http://jahtruth.co.uk/uflag.htm

Genesis 38:25-30 "When she was brought forth, she sent to her father-in-law, saying, By the man whose these are, am I with child: and she said, Discern, I pray thee, whose are these, the signet, and bracelets, and staff. (26) And Judah acknowledged them, and said She hath been more righteous than I; because that I gave her not to Shelah my son: and he knew her again no more. (27) And it came to pass in the time of her travail, that behold, twins were in her womb. (28) And it came to pass when she travailed, that the one put out his hand; and the midwife took and bound upon his hand a scarlet thread, saying, This came out first. (29) And it came to pass as he drew back his hand, that behold, his brother came out; and she said, How hast thou broken forth? this breach be upon thee: therefore his name was called Pharez. (30) And afterwards came out his brother that had the scarlet thread upon his hand; and his name was called Zarah."In some genealogical records the current British Royal Family can be traced back to the House of Judah through William the Conqueror's grandmother, Doda Inghen Mail Coluim, daughter of Mael-Coluim II Mac Cinaeda, King of Scots 954-1034.

[WhiteKnuckle]

Am I seeing this correctly? The Celts might be Jews?

[Jordan]

Am I seeing this correctly? The Celts might be Jews?

I highly doubt that... I don't think the Celt are Judah. It might be the "Jews" who call themselves Jews, but are not.

[WhiteKnuckle]

I highly doubt that... I don't think the Celt are Judah. It might be the "Jews" who call themselves Jews, but are not.

I'm thinkin not too. Although it is interesting speculation. My bloodline is Scottish/Northern Border Brittish.

[Christina]

Yes that is sort of what you are seeing they are not Judah..but Israel not all celts of course but The daughters of King Zedekiah of Judah were taken to Ireland/Scotland married onto the Royality the 10 Northern tribes migrated across the caucaus mt. into Scotland Ireland britan and across Europe and eventully to the Christian nations ... The records conclude with an account of the marriage between the Royal Princess and "Eochaidh" the Heremon or King of Ireland, giving the Princess's name as "Tamar Tephi" meaning Palm Beautiful , an appropriate name for the one destined to fulfil Ezekiel's prophecy of the Tender Twig (Ezekiel chapter 17). Judah remained Jews a remnant to preserve the Law ...the 10 Northern tribes(lost tribes) are called Israel in prophesy they became Christians Nations ... Eze, 37 tells you these are two sticks (branches) that will be rejoined at Christs return making the whole house of Israel all 12 tribes rejoined under Christ. Every coronation takes place on this Stone of Destiny which is Jacobs pillow of Jacobs latter dream they are one in the sameYou might find this of interesthttp://www.revelatio...PillarStone.htm

[Tambora]

Christina;59299]The Stone of Scone, on also known as the Stone of Destiny, is seen as of huge significance to Scotland, said:

http://www.undiscove...cone/index.html[/url]http://associate.com...ne_o_scone.html

(I color coded some names in your post.)Scota did not marry Goídel Glas.She married his father.Goídel Glas has many variations of his name, depending on the culture or clan that was writing about him. Variations include: Goidel, Gaodhal, Gaidel, Gaedheal, Gael, Gadelus, Gathelus Irish history uses the variation of Gaedheal.Scota (daughter of Pharaoh) married Niul, and they were the parents of Gaedheal.Niul was a descendant of Japheth (son of Noah).Several generations later, their descendants landed in Ireland.But the Stone of Destiny (Lia Fail) was already there.It had been brought earlier by the Tuatha-de-Danann, who were also descendants of Japheth (son of Noah).

[manumuskin]

japeth gave birth to the mongoloid (yellow race) Israelites along with all whites are from shem.I don't see any oriental irish,they all look white/semitic to me

[Tambora]

You may not agree, and that's OK by me.But Irish history is very clear that the father of Gaedheal/Goídel Glas was a descendant of Japheth (according to The Annals of the Four Masters, Lebor Gabála Érenn - Book of Invasions of Ireland, and The History of Ireland by Geoffrey Keating.

[manumuskin]

I don't agree.i follow the history of the twelve tribes by Steve Collins.

[Tambora]

And what does Steve Collins reference as the source of his information?

[manumuskin]

that can be fond on his website at www.stevecollins.com

[Tambora]

Would you mind posting the source he gives for his view that Goídel Glas (Gaedheal) descended from Shem instead of Japheth, and was the one who married Scota?I really don't want to have to search through an entire website to find that small tidbit.I just want to know what source he derived that from, because all the ancient history sources I have read say differently (such as the sources I posted earlier).Thanks.

[Christina]

[quote name='Tambora;74284](I color coded some names in your post.) Scota did not marry Goídel Glas.She married his father. Goídel Glas has many variations of his name' date=' depending on the culture or clan that was writing about him. Variations include: Goidel, Gaodhal, Gaidel, Gaedheal, Gael, Gadelus, Gathelus Irish history uses the variation of Gaedheal. Scota (daughter of Pharaoh) married Niul, and they were the parents of Gaedheal.Niul was a descendant of Japheth (son of Noah). Several generations later, their descendants landed in Ireland.But the Stone of Destiny (Lia Fail) was already there.It had been brought earlier by the Tuatha-de-Danann, who were also descendants of Japheth (son of Noah).[/QUOTE] I was quoting from the link I posted in the previous post but here it says Tea Tephi brought the stone with her om Israel [URL]http://www.revelationsofthebible.com/Tea.htm[/URL]

[Tambora]

Thanks Christina.I have read many books and websites that repeat this story.But rarely do they source their material, except for just quoting another book that said the same thing.Just as the page you just quoted, there is no source of where they got this information.There are very few who do source a little, such as Herbert Armstrong and Joseph Allen.They both gave the Irish Annals (better known as the Annals of the Four Masters) as their source. And the Annals reference The Book of Invasions.Both of which are old writings of the history of Ireland.So, I read them both.And I also read The History of Ireland by Geoffrey Keating (which was based on the Annals and The Invasions, along with other old writings).ALL of them say Goídel Glas (Gaedheal) was a descendant of Japheth.And also that Tea and Ollamh Fodhlah were also descendants of Japheth, as they were both descendants of Goídel Glas (Gaedheal).I don't mean married into the family, I mean were actually blood descendants of Goídel Glas (Gaedheal). The only person who is not said to be a descendant of Japheth is Scota, and she is said to be a daughter of Pharaoh.I think that most of these websites and books just repeated what Allen and Armstrong had started without checking out the sources. And the story just keeps going on and on.That's why I always question what source was used when I see this repeated.God bless.

[Christina]

When Zedekiah tried to escape, God said, I set my net, and it was My snare that caught him, and I took him to Babylon. God did this because He said He would, and it was done because Zedekiah broke his oath, and the covenant with God, and Nebuchadnezzar. Ezekiel 17:21 "And all his fugitives with all his bands shall fall by the sword, and they that remain shall be scattered toward all winds: and ye shall know that I the Lord have spoken it'." There will be little left of Zedekiah, his family and all those that supported and backed him. They became nothing but fugitives, that were slaughtered, and scattered to many nations. Notice that it only takes about the sons of Zedekiah that were destroyed, for his daughters escaped with Jeremiah, as part of the covenant with God for the triple overturning of the throne. These "twigs from the top of the cedar tree" were the daughters of Zedekiah, and they were planted in the thrones in Spain, and Ireland. heres another thread here on this http://www.christian...ghlight=ezekial theres also a study of Eze 17 which is a riddle within a parablehttp://www.christian...ghlight=Ezekiel

[Tambora]

Ezekiel 17(22) Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will also take of the highest branch of the high cedar, and will set it; I will crop off from the top of his young twigs a tender one, and will plant it upon an high mountain and eminent:(23) In the mountain of the height of Israel will I plant it: and it shall bring forth boughs, and bear fruit, and be a goodly cedar: and under it shall dwell all fowl of every wing; in the shadow of the branches thereof shall they dwell.There is only one that is cropped and planted, and it is planted in Israel.You think this tender twig is a prophesy of one of Zedekiah's daughters who is never spoken of again in scripture, instead of Christ? Isaiah 11(1) And there shall come forth a rod (twig) out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:

[Christina]

Many have that misunderstaning of scripture the word twig is not in the KJV and while rod can be translated twig ..the Word twigs in Eze is an entirley differnt hebrew word meaning young plant, young shoot and its pluarl not singlar Tea Tephi and her sister were daughters of Zedekiah that were brought by Jeremiah (also known as Ollamh Fodhla/meaning wise teacher, revealer or prophet) ............................................................................ Jeremiah & Tea Tephi JEREMIAH'S VOYAGE An old man arrives on an Island with a small group of people in 583 BC. He brings the daughter of a King, a scribe named Simon Brug and some relics. The powerful Milesian High King of all Ireland allows the old man complete control. Instituting laws, schools and congresses, the old man forever changes the face of the Island's history, and subsequently the history of the entire world. Apparently incidental to all this, is the fulfilling of a 500 year old prophecy.Few people know that Jeremiah was much more than a prophet. He tends to get lumped in with Isaiah, Ezekial, and the others. Jeremiah did more than go around speaking doom and gloom. He held a high level position in the kingdom of Judah. He was the grandfather of King Zedekiah. II Kings 24:18. Most importantly, Jeremiah was God's Trustee of the Bloodline and the Throne of David.Jeremiah's commission has always puzzled scholars. One can find where Jeremiah rooted out, pulled down, destroyed, and threw down kingdoms. History shows that his prophecies about the destruction of kingdoms came true. The mystery is, where did Jeremiah "build and plant?" The scriptural account doesn't contain any building and planting. There is also some confusion about Jeremiah's being put "over the nations." It would appear at first glance that this meant his prophesying against them. This is not the case. First, Jer 1:10 says that God set him "over the nations, not nations (in general). This is repeated with the word kingdoms; the kingdoms. The bible is concerned with only one people, the twelve tribes of Israelites. Jeremiah was to "throw down" AND "build and plant" the Israelite nations. We'll have to follow his trail to find where he accomplished his mission.First we'll look at the Biblical account. Jer 15:11-14 tells us Jerry is going to a brand new place he "knowest not." Isaiah fills out the picture a bit. Isaiah 41:1-3 tells us that a "righteous man from the east" was put over nations and kings. This man would not travel by foot ( on land). Jer 41:10 establishes the presence of the "king's daughters" in the group with Jeremiah. Jeremiah, as their great-grandfather, would certainly have assumed the postion of Guardian.Then we find Jeremiah and the girls going to the Egyptian city of Tahpanhes. In fact, there is an ancient structure there that bears the name, "Palace of the Jew's daughters." Isaiah helps us again with a last bit of confirmation, in chapter 37:31, telling us that a "remnant of Judah" shall escape and "take root downward."Before going on, we must take notice of what God had promised Jeremiah and his fellow travelers. God told Jeremiah that he'd be treated kindly by the Babylonians and die a natural death. Baruch, Jeremiah's scribe and Ebed-Melech, the Ethiopian, are also told they'd be spared. The probable number in Jeremiah's traveling band was five: Jeremiah, Baruch, Ebed-Melech Tea Tephi and her sister. It's not so hard to trace the migration of large groups of people. Not so with small groups. But God knows this too, and has left evidence that we may overcome our doubts about Jeremiah's destination. But we have to go the history books. Only one place in the world claims to have the grave of the prophet Jeremiah. Only one country's history tells of an old man, and his scribe Brug bringing a king's daughter from Egypt. Only one country claims the Harp of David for it's Arms. Only one country has Jerrys coming out of it's ears. IRELAND. Although, due to the Bards embellishing the story, accounts of Jeremiah's arrival and work in Ireland differ in some details, the basic elements of each tale are the same. The Stone, known as the "Stone of Destiny" came from Spain, and before that, from Egypt It came in the company of an aged guardian, who was called "Ollam Folla", (Hebrew for revealer or prophet) Accompanying the man was an eastern king's daughter Eochaidh (Eremhon) married the daughter, Tea Tephi The aged guardian became the most influencial Statesman and Spiritual leader of Ireland. Remember the evidence I mentioned, that God would supply us to confirm Jeremiah's trip? The following picture is of an inscription found in a tomb located in Schiabhla-Cailliche, near Oldcastle, County, Meath, Ireland, not far from Tara. Thirty-some stones with strange markings upon them, lie in the sepulchral chamber within the huge cairn of stones which make up the tomb. A large carved stone outside the tomb is till pointed out as Jeremiah's judicial seat. Our confirmation lies on those thirty stones in the cairn.One interperation, by George Dansie of Bristol, says the the stones show a Lunar Eclipse, in the constellation of Taurus and a conjunction of the planets Saturn and Jupiter in Virgo. The prow of a ship is shown in the center, with five lines indicating the number of passengers it carries. On the left, a part of the ship, perhaps the stern, is shown with only four passengers, one having been left behind, as indicated by the line falling away from the ship. The wavy line indicates the passage of the ship across the ocean, terminating at a central point on an island.The stellar and planetary alignment of the inscription gives a date of 583 BC. This date allows just the right amount of time for our little band to go to Egypt, and return to Palestine briefly before making their way to Spain, then Ireland. From "Forward" - Watchman What of the Dawnhttp://www.asis.com/...g/jerrytea.html

[manumuskin]

it looks as if there is something Christina and i agree on:-)Tambora i take it your a geneaologist.so am I though not a professional one.I have seen the same family tree you apparently have taken this info from.I don't believe it is a correct tree.I don't believe anyone except maybe some jews could trace their lineage back as far as the Flood.I believe Christina has related part of the story i believe here.Steve Collins actually provides evidence in his four books that traces the various migrations of the Israelite tribes starting as early as Simeons departure in the desert to the assyrian invasion in 721 b.c.all the tribes eventually by differebt routes end up in western europe.not to say there are vestiges of the tribes left in areas that were once inhabited in strength.It is possible to trace general migrations back into ancient history even if it is no longer possible to trace individual geneaologies that far.After reading Steve's books I have come to the conclusion if your forbears hail from western europe and scandanavia or from modern Israel or the nations descended from western european nations then you are likey Isarelite.No this does not make us any better then other nations it just means God is keeping his promise to our forbears Abraham,Isaac nad jacob to bless us and through us to bless the rest of the world.Some people teach british israelitism in a racist way.Steve does not.Being Israelite does not guarantee you salvation or place you above anyone,we are blessed because of a promise God made to Abraham and through no goodness of our own as you can see by studying our pagam history.Al

[Christina]

Well Im glad we found something to agree on ManumuskinI just wish it was based on your understanding of scripture rather than another book of men:)