[TallMan]

Why did Jesus say:"I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel." (Matt.15:24)when they were mostly not in the land "Israel" when he came?

[Christina]

Because Isreal and Judah are separated Israel is one branch/ stick the ten lost tribes that migrated over the caucus's Mountains into Scotland, to Britain and then to America and became the Christian nations of Today ...The other stick Judah was to keep the Law O.T. and would remain Jews they are today's Jews the two sticks will be joined together at the coming of the Lord. EZE.37:15-28 http://www.christianityboard.com/judaha-sc...ight-t6118.html

[TallMan]

Because Isreal and Judah are separated Israel is one branch/ stick the ten lost tribes that migrated over the caucus's Mountains into Scotland, to Britain and then to America and became the Christian nations of Today ...The other stick Judah was to keep the Law O.T. and would remain Jews they are today's Jews the two sticks will be joined together at the coming of the Lord. EZE.37:15-28 http://www.christianityboard.com/judaha-sc...ight-t6118.html

So Jesus went to Judah but really he was sent to Israel?

[Jordan]

Because Isreal and Judah are separated Israel is one branch/ stick the ten lost tribes that migrated over the caucus's Mountains into Scotland, to Britain and then to America and became the Christian nations of Today ...The other stick Judah was to keep the Law O.T. and would remain Jews they are today's Jews the two sticks will be joined together at the coming of the Lord. EZE.37:15-28 http://www.christianityboard.com/judaha-sc...ight-t6118.html

So Jesus went to Judah but really he was sent to Israel?

Judah and Israel are complete different. Christ came to bring back Jacob whose later named Israel to God because she was seperated from God . God divorced her of her adultery and became Gentiles. God didn't divorced Judah, Israel's sister.The gospel came first to Judah. The Jews rejected it then the messeages around the world should be preached to the lost sheep of Israel.

[Christina]

Let me see if I can explain what Jordan and I are saying a little better:Future Situation - There is only one Whole House of Israel it is the church the bride made up of all gentiles, Jews, and Christians all who follow Christ. However this will not happen until the Husband(Christ) returns for his Bride (joins the two sticks) [U]Past situation [/U]- The whole house of Isreal made up of 12 tribes was Isreal After Christ death the tribes were scattered and the Land of Isreal given over to the Romans /heathens for 2000 years.. The 10 northern tribes went north retained the name of spiritual Israel but were scattered among the nations forgot their idenity (to eventually become Christian nations..).. The two southern tribes Judah being the largest went to Eygpt but retained their idenity as Jews.Current situation ... The Jews Judah returned to the Land of Israel call them selves Jews of the Land of Israel.The Christian nations are spiritual Israel not of the land they have forgotten who they are they make up Christian Nations/church of today (in prophecy they are called by the names of the two largest tribes Emphraim and Mannash (sons of Joseph) the Jews are called Judah in prochecy they are the Whole House of Israel /12 tribes ..divided into two sticks and are still seperate today we call them Jew and ChristianNot til Christ returns will all 12 tribes be rejoined and again become The Whole house of Israel joined under Christ So currentlely we have a physical Land of Israel where Judah (jews/2 tribes) live and a sprititual Israel who are the Christian church/nations Both will be rejoined as the Bride of Christ the Whole house of Israel ..all 12 tribes under Christ at his return it is this rejoining Eze 37 speaks of.

[tim_from_pa]

Why did Jesus say:"I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel." (Matt.15:24)when they were mostly not in the land "Israel" when he came?

The Jews were in the land of Isarel.He came to his own but his own received him not.The bible talks about the house of Israel being separate from the house of Judah and exiled from the land. The prophetic promises also are addressing the house of Israel, and not Judah.Judah is under Law (by their own choosing and as the bible predicted).Israel is under grace and would (according to Bible prophecy) become as Gentiles and dealt with in another land.Jesus said that he has OTHER SHEEP (the house of Israel) which are not of THIS FOLD (Judah). He was sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel, born in his land but expected the apostles to go into "all nations" i.e. where these tribes were to bring the gospel message.Later on, the apostle Paul understood the "Great Commission" as it is called to include non-Israelite Gentiles unbeknownst to the other apostles that took the message to the Israelites and the Jews.If we understand that the entire nation of Israel split into two just like the United States did as Rebels and Yanks, then this concept of God's two chosen nations does not become so confusing. One of the nations returned to the land (Judah) to bring Messiah. The rest of Israel never historically returned and will not until the end times.There are myriads of bible prophecy that shows each of their separate destinies based on their GENEALOGY---- Judah would retain the Law as we see the Jews today, and the house of Israel would become many nations, who indeed became the Christian nations of today (even though they are slipping into idolatry which was also predicted).

[Christina]

Thanks Tim for pulling it all together as you do so well:) Tallman if you read all these posts above you should be able to get a picture of what we are saying.

[Jordan]

Thanks Tim for pulling it all together as you do so well:) Tallman if you read all these posts above you should be able to get a picture of what we are saying.

Isn't wonderful when we all came into the same mindset of the Word? God is amazing.

[kkboldt]

Why did Jesus say:"I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel." (Matt.15:24)when they were mostly not in the land "Israel" when he came?

Hi Tallman,I hope this helps. As some have pointed out already, the Twelves Tribes were split into 2 separate kingdoms around 721-714 BC. They became the Northern 10-Tribed Kingdom of Israel, and the Southern 2-Tribed Kingdom of Judah (which comprised of the House of Judah (Jews) and Benjamin (of which Jesus's desciples came). Northern Israel went into the Assyrian captivity and Judah went into the Babylonian captivity. About 40,000 of the House of Judah and some of Benjamin were permitted by Cyrus, king of Persia, to return to the land of Judah, and rebuild the 2nd Temple.However, Northern Israel, as punishment, as told by the prophet Jeremiah, would be a "scattered sheep", "I shall scatter my sheep among the gentiles throughout the lands they will go". The Northern 10 Tribes remained scattered throughout the gentile world. Many went westward into Europe. Hence, they ALSO became known as the "Gentiles" by Judah. Yes, the Jews referred to Israelites as "Gentiles" because they became "heathenized" among the gentile peoples. This has created much confusion among Christians today as to "who are gentiles and who are not". But in the New Testament, in most places where the word "gentile" is used it is referring to "lost Israel", not the "heathen nations".But God, as stated by the prophet Malachi, said, "I am the LORD, I change not, therefore, ye sons of Jacob are not consumed."And the Apostle Paul picked up on this by saying, "Has God cast off his people whom he foreknew? God forbid, for I am an Israelite of the Tribe of Benjamin."Jesus came to "regather his sheep" or "to save that which was lost". Who was lost? The Northern 10-Tribed Kingdom of Israel.As the prophets wrote, "we have been as scattered sheep".Since the Jews were already in the land of Judea, Jesus still had to gather his OTHER sheep. He even instructed his disciples to NOT go "in the way of the gentiles", but "seek only the lost sheep of the house of Israel". The disciples were instructed to go the Jews and the gentiles (lost Israel). You see, this is why the Jews despised the "gentilized" Israelites calling them "unclean". But Peter's dream in Acts, chapter 11, demonstrates that he is not to call "any man unclean". Which mean's that not only would he go unto the Jews but unto "gentilized" Israel. And then, in the first chapter and first verse of the letter of James we read "To the TWELVE TRIBES which are scattered abroad, greetings."We see here now that ALL TWELVE TRIBES had been gathered, accounted for, and converted to "The WAY", or Christianity. The only Jews that did not convert were those Jewish leaders and their families that held on to their Babylonian teachings and rejected Christ.But most of the Jews and Israelites were converted to followers of Jesus. From there was Christianity spread. As Jesus said, "as the lightning shineth from the east even unto the west, so shall the coming of the son of man be."Christianity spread from EAST to WEST as quickly as lightning. And in the WEST Christianity is till dominant today. And many of us are descended from those "converted Christians" who used to be of the tribes of Israel and the House of Judah.Kim

[TheWarIs1]

Greetings To all and specially thsoe who love Yah.......

I love the deep and mysterious things of the bible

Who said the Two Sticks are not Joined? NO matter.
They have joined.



On this old Northern Ireland flag you can see the Symbol of Judah as well as the Symbol for Zarah, the red hand which is one of the twins born to the man called Judah.
The Red hand is on the Star of David, or star of Astereth a big pagen no no from a time Israel fell into Pagen worship.
Notice the Royal Crown which represents the Kingdom of Israel and a promise to David that his throne would never fail to have his descendant sitting on that throne til Shiloh comes. Shiloh is a name used for Yeshua the Messiah. The Harp of DAvid is on this flag as well. The Ramphant Deer is a tribal symbol of Napthali.

The Cross was always a symbol in old Hebrew of Israel. The cross is the last letter in old Hebrew and means completion, "It is finished" Yeshua uttered something that always went along with the name of Elohim since the first sentence in Bereshit(genesis) In the beginning "Aleph/Tau " A and T in Hebrew described the Father with Completion or beginning and End. Yeshua said he was the First and the Last in Aramaic, which is Aleph & Tau and not Greek.

The old Hebrew Tau is/was the Cross til recent with the new modern Hebrew. the anti-Christ Rabbis have stopped using the Cross as a symbol.
they hate the Cross which represents Christ.

The two Sticks joined

The Scottish coat of Arms has the Lion of Judah and the unicorn of Joseph represented by Ephraim together under the Union Jack (Jacob) which was the two sticks mentioned as coming together. Joseph and Judah. Eze 37:16


Brit-ish is also Hebrew words and means Covenant People

The Flag of England is called the Union Jack(Jacob) has the Protection of Elohim on it..
Eze 9:4 ....... and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.
This literally reads in Hebrew to Mark out a Mark(tau) on the foreheads. TAU the last letter was known as the Mark,.
The mark is a cross. They wrote the TAU as a "t" or a "X" in the old language.

Take those two and place them together and you have the emblem on the flag of England.

[Christina]

TheWarIs1, on 30 January 2010 - 01:39 PM, said:

Greetings To all and specially thsoe who love Yah.......

I love the deep and mysterious things of the bible

Who said the Two Sticks are not Joined? NO matter.
They have joined.



On this old Northern Ireland flag you can see the Symbol of Judah as well as the Symbol for Zarah, the red hand which is one of the twins born to the man called Judah.
The Red hand is on the Star of David, or star of Astereth a big pagen no no from a time Israel fell into Pagen worship.
Notice the Royal Crown which represents the Kingdom of Israel and a promise to David that his throne would never fail to have his descendant sitting on that throne til Shiloh comes. Shiloh is a name used for Yeshua the Messiah. The Harp of DAvid is on this flag as well. The Ramphant Deer is a tribal symbol of Napthali.

The Cross was always a symbol in old Hebrew of Israel. The cross is the last letter in old Hebrew and means completion, "It is finished" Yeshua uttered something that always went along with the name of Elohim since the first sentence in Bereshit(genesis) In the beginning "Aleph/Tau " A and T in Hebrew described the Father with Completion or beginning and End. Yeshua said he was the First and the Last in Aramaic, which is Aleph & Tau and not Greek.

The old Hebrew Tau is/was the Cross til recent with the new modern Hebrew. the anti-Christ Rabbis have stopped using the Cross as a symbol.
they hate the Cross which represents Christ.

The two Sticks joined

The Scottish coat of Arms has the Lion of Judah and the unicorn of Joseph represented by Ephraim together under the Union Jack (Jacob) which was the two sticks mentioned as coming together. Joseph and Judah. Eze 37:16


Brit-ish is also Hebrew words and means Covenant People

The Flag of England is called the Union Jack(Jacob) has the Protection of Elohim on it..
Eze 9:4 ....... and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.
This literally reads in Hebrew to Mark out a Mark(tau) on the foreheads. TAU the last letter was known as the Mark,.
The mark is a cross. They wrote the TAU as a "t" or a "X" in the old language.

Take those two and place them together and you have the emblem on the flag of England.

Like some of your suff but Israel (the ten tribes and Judah the two tribes known as the two sticks the whole house of Israel
wont be joined until the end read the rest of Eze 37 this has not occured yet
Judah is Todays Israel and while perhaps the are allies an a civil level the joining in Ezek is under Jesus christ and as you know Jews do not accept christ yet as messiah they are still under a slumber preserving the law

[Samuel Pickens]

Christina, on 30 January 2010 - 05:18 PM, said:

Like some of your suff but Israel (the ten tribes and Judah the two tribes known as the two sticks the whole house of Israel
wont be joined until the end read the rest of Eze 37 this has not occured yet
Judah is Todays Israel and while perhaps the are allies an a civil level the joining in Ezek is under Jesus christ and as you know Jews do not accept christ yet as messiah they are still under a slumber preserving the law

But, the 10 lost tribes have been found. The Jews have found them, documented them and proven that they are who they think they are.

Shem, Ham and Jephet; sons of Noah. Ham's great sin against Noah led them into Africa and to be servants. Jephet went into the caucasiania valley and settled there and Shem semantic or father of the Jewish people.

USA is not a Christian nation and never was and never has claimed to be. Sitting on the 77th parallel (as above; so below) bowing to Baal and worshiping Baal -------- I can't see this nation as Christian.

During the Confederacy (1776-1788) it was very religious but Christians were a bit outcast (Roger Williams). Things went downhill when the first government was dissolved in 1788 and people became less religious. With the hoof and mouth cattle problem and Indian problem and growing unrest in the 1840's over slavery and people wanting to go back to the Confederacy you had people wanting peace, security and a better way of life for their family. William Miller came to the forefront but was ultimately unsuccessful. Then there was a falling away and civil war. Then a renewed wanting of righteousness and christianity and thus began the Assembly of God and Church of God from the falling away of the Millerites and 7th day Adventist. We then came to the reform era and the revivalist period in American and Europe (~1870-1910) and it's at this time when it is believe that there was the greatest numbers of Christians ever in this country ----- ~22%. Still a low number. The great influx of catholics give secular numbers but they can't really be counted in as Christians as they aren't.

When God divorced Isreal that great harlot arrayed in gold and purple He did so according to His Word and completely throught he legal process. As Paul says, Christians are the true Jew and God's children. We've been bought with a price.

[Irish]

TallMan, on 16 November 2008 - 02:09 PM, said:

Why did Jesus say: "I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel." (Matt.15:24) when they were mostly not in the land "Israel" when he came?

Tallman,

Another good question might be why wasn't the whole house of Israel there to meet him? In Matthew 4:15 and on, it talks about where "light is sprung up" concerning the beginning of Christs Ministry. This was the land of Zebulon and Nephthalim, these were of the house of Israel.

Now a much deeper concern here would be something called the proclamations that were taking place . Something John had just made and Christ opened up his ministry with. It was and will be in this framework that the kingdom was/will be made available. This is WHY he was sent. Israel had some good opportunities here, but as usual fell short.

Irish

[gervais]

Samuel,
You are not even close to the truth on this subject. You have no idea what you are talking about, the sons of Noah are not the tribes.

[TallMan]

Irish, on 12 February 2010 - 02:44 AM, said:

Tallman,
Another good question might be why wasn't the whole house of Israel there to meet him?

Why should they be?
Is theer a prophecy that they would be?
Jesus was there to meet them (or zealous representatives) spiritually on the day of Pentecost.

They had beed transported or migrated to Parthia (Iran) & Scythia, among other places ...
Peter addresses these people:

Acts 2:22: Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: ...
Acts 2:36: Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

... they would have heard about him on previous visits:

"many of the Jews went away, and believed on Jesus.
On the next day much people that were come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem,
Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord."
(John 12:11-13)

Irish, on 12 February 2010 - 02:44 AM, said:

In Matthew 4:15 and on, it talks about where "light is sprung up" concerning the beginning of Christs Ministry. This was the land of Zebulon and Nephthalim, these were of the house of Israel.

The land is not the people.

[Pegg]

TallMan, on 16 November 2008 - 03:09 PM, said:

Why did Jesus say:"I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel." (Matt.15:24)when they were mostly not in the land "Israel" when he came?

'the house of Isreal' refers to the 'family of Isreal' or Jacob. Its not talking about the land of Isreal.

It was in harmony with Jesus instructions that the apostles preached to the jews first at Matt 10:5-6 and this was in harmony with the prophecy at Isaiah 53:6 & Jeremiah 50:6 which explains that the isrealites had wandered away from God and it was thru the messiah that he would attempt to bring them back.

So the Jews were given first priority because God was honoring his promise to Jacod/Isreal and his 'house' of decendents.

However Paul later explains that because so many of them had rejected Gods offer, God had turned his attention to the nations instead.
Acts 13:46 "And so, talking with boldness, Paul and Bar′na‧bas said: “It was necessary for the word of God to be spoken first to YOU. Since YOU are thrusting it away from YOU and do not judge yourselves worthy of everlasting life, look! we turn to the nations"

[pastorlesofm]

Pegg, on 27 June 2010 - 02:29 AM, said:

'the house of Isreal' refers to the 'family of Isreal' or Jacob. Its not talking about the land of Isreal.

It was in harmony with Jesus instructions that the apostles preached to the jews first at Matt 10:5-6 and this was in harmony with the prophecy at Isaiah 53:6 & Jeremiah 50:6 which explains that the isrealites had wandered away from God and it was thru the messiah that he would attempt to bring them back.

So the Jews were given first priority because God was honoring his promise to Jacod/Isreal and his 'house' of decendents.

However Paul later explains that because so many of them had rejected Gods offer, God had turned his attention to the nations instead.
Acts 13:46 "And so, talking with boldness, Paul and Bar′na‧bas said: “It was necessary for the word of God to be spoken first to YOU. Since YOU are thrusting it away from YOU and do not judge yourselves worthy of everlasting life, look! we turn to the nations"

Well Peg, in all christian love ,since Israel strayed from God and are no longer entitled to the Land of Cannan , Promised to the Israelites in the view you have here then we must say that America is not entitled to it's land given to us. There is no denying that America has certainly strayed far from the Lord, so America should just give our land , whatever Mexico or Canada wants or maybe back to England. Does that only apply to Israel? That is how the rest of the World and some churches see it. Love You in Jesus Name.

Pegg, on 27 June 2010 - 02:29 AM, said:

'the house of Isreal' refers to the 'family of Isreal' or Jacob. Its not talking about the land of Isreal.

It was in harmony with Jesus instructions that the apostles preached to the jews first at Matt 10:5-6 and this was in harmony with the prophecy at Isaiah 53:6 & Jeremiah 50:6 which explains that the isrealites had wandered away from God and it was thru the messiah that he would attempt to bring them back.

So the Jews were given first priority because God was honoring his promise to Jacod/Isreal and his 'house' of decendents.

However Paul later explains that because so many of them had rejected Gods offer, God had turned his attention to the nations instead.
Acts 13:46 "And so, talking with boldness, Paul and Bar′na‧bas said: “It was necessary for the word of God to be spoken first to YOU. Since YOU are thrusting it away from YOU and do not judge yourselves worthy of everlasting life, look! we turn to the nations"

Well Peg, in all christian love ,since Israel strayed from God and are no longer entitled to the Land of Cannan , Promised to the Israelites in the view you have here then we must say that America is not entitled to it's land given to us. There is no denying that America has certainly strayed far from the Lord, so America should just give our land , whatever Mexico or Canada wants or maybe back to England. Does that only apply to Israel? That is how the rest of the World and some churches see it. Love You in Jesus Name.

[Pegg]

pastorlesofm, on 27 June 2010 - 11:55 AM, said:

Well Peg, in all christian love ,since Israel strayed from God and are no longer entitled to the Land of Cannan , Promised to the Israelites in the view you have here then we must say that America is not entitled to it's land given to us. There is no denying that America has certainly strayed far from the Lord, so America should just give our land , whatever Mexico or Canada wants or maybe back to England. Does that only apply to Israel? That is how the rest of the World and some churches see it. Love You in Jesus Name.

I think you may have misunderstood me....or i am misunderstanding you???


What i am saying is that the 'House of Isreal' is NOT the land. Rather the 'House of Isreal' are the descendents of Jacob...as in Jacobs 'household'

I dont know how the physical land is brought into the picture, but a 'household' certainly does not mean 'land'

[pastorlesofm]

Pegg, on 09 July 2010 - 08:23 PM, said:

I think you may have misunderstood me....or i am misunderstanding you???


What i am saying is that the 'House of Isreal' is NOT the land. Rather the 'House of Isreal' are the descendents of Jacob...as in Jacobs 'household'

I dont know how the physical land is brought into the picture, but a 'household' certainly does not mean 'land'

With all respect, I must ask where do the residents of Isreal belong? The Bible does state that Jesus will sit and reign from the Throne of David , This would be in Israel where the Jewish Carpenter will rule, We no the Nativity of Jesus was in Bethlehem, the City of David. We know that David was the king of Israel. Revelation and many other passages in the Word of God speak of the nations rising up against Israel. When Jesus spoke about the restoration of the fig tree , He weas speaking of the restoration of Israel, which has happened since 1948, (prophecy fulfilled). All through the New Testament as well as end time prophecy speaks of the Land of Israel. All the text books the world has published will disagree , twist and turn the meaning of Scripture , again because most of the minds that put these together are unable to equal the mind of God. I truly believe that God is not the author of doubt. Satan always throws doubt at christians regarding the Word of God. Isn't that what caused Adam and Eve to fall? I have nothing against education, but when it creates books and thoughts causing twisting and doubt regarding the Word of God, I get immediately on guard, as to their motives. Peg it's great responding to your interests. Love you in Jesus Name.

[Pegg]

pastorlesofm, on 09 July 2010 - 09:18 PM, said:

With all respect, I must ask where do the residents of Isreal belong? The Bible does state that Jesus will sit and reign from the Throne of David , This would be in Israel where the Jewish Carpenter will rule, We no the Nativity of Jesus was in Bethlehem, the City of David. We know that David was the king of Israel. Revelation and many other passages in the Word of God speak of the nations rising up against Israel. When Jesus spoke about the restoration of the fig tree , He weas speaking of the restoration of Israel, which has happened since 1948, (prophecy fulfilled). All through the New Testament as well as end time prophecy speaks of the Land of Israel. All the text books the world has published will disagree , twist and turn the meaning of Scripture , again because most of the minds that put these together are unable to equal the mind of God. I truly believe that God is not the author of doubt. Satan always throws doubt at christians regarding the Word of God. Isn't that what caused Adam and Eve to fall? I have nothing against education, but when it creates books and thoughts causing twisting and doubt regarding the Word of God, I get immediately on guard, as to their motives. Peg it's great responding to your interests. Love you in Jesus Name.

im still not sure how the expression 'house of Isreal' referes to a geographical location.

But lets say it is the case....why does the NT speak so much of a 'heavenly kingdom' as opposed to an earthly one?

Also, i cant see how any restoration has taken place in the land of Isreal...they have been fighting over there for over 50 years and they are still beating their heads against the wailing wall....where is the restoration of the temple? Why is there no priesthood? because that would really spell a restoration.

[Paul]

Pegg, on 09 July 2010 - 09:27 PM, said:

im still not sure how the expression 'house of Isreal' referes to a geographical location.

But lets say it is the case....why does the NT speak so much of a 'heavenly kingdom' as opposed to an earthly one?

Also, i cant see how any restoration has taken place in the land of Isreal...they have been fighting over there for over 50 years and they are still beating their heads against the wailing wall....where is the restoration of the temple? Why is there no priesthood? because that would really spell a restoration.

The land of Israel could also refer to the place where the people of Israel currently live.

[pastorlesofm]

Pegg, on 09 July 2010 - 10:27 PM, said:

im still not sure how the expression 'house of Isreal' referes to a geographical location.

But lets say it is the case....why does the NT speak so much of a 'heavenly kingdom' as opposed to an earthly one?

Also, i cant see how any restoration has taken place in the land of Isreal...they have been fighting over there for over 50 years and they are still beating their heads against the wailing wall....where is the restoration of the temple? Why is there no priesthood? because that would really spell a restoration.

Israel's fight is on the defensive, as most of the muslim country have only the total destruction of Israel, that was the whole idea of the PLO, and Jihad. The hate for Israel is seen in the Koran and heard in Muslim temples. The palestiians is a congregate of various members from surrounding muslim countries. Palestine comes from the British , who referred to Israel as Palestine during their occupation of Israel. The Bible discribes the Borders of Israel , not the history text books. Note that strangely the Palistinans came along shortly after Israel was declared a state by the UN. The motive is obvious for Palestinians. No matter how much land Israel hands over to Palestine, Palistians will want more, until all of Israel is in the hands of the Muslim World. Unfortunately the world is buying the Palestinuans' objective. Israel is not the occupiers , quite the opposite. You know the World hates the people, God's Son and God Himself. The Cross is where the hate of the World and the Love of God did battle and God's Love won the battle. He will win the battle over Israel also. Israel at times did turn its' back on God but believe me God never turned His back on Israel, and He never will, no more than He turns His back on us. If Jesus could say from the Cross;" Forgive them Father, for they know not what they did.", one must agree that God would do the same to Israel. Even though the world writes the Jews off, God will never write them off, rest assured. As far as a high priest in Israel , there is one, Jesus Christ, as He is our High Priest, daily making intercession for us. End time prophecy states that Israel will realize that they allowed the Messiah to go to the Cross, that the Messiah came in the Person of Jesus Christ. There will be great mourning among Israel.

[Pegg]

Paul, on 09 July 2010 - 09:34 PM, said:

The land of Israel could also refer to the place where the people of Israel currently live.

It may be called that today, but it wasnt in bible times

'the house of Isreal' refered to Jacobs decendents...not the land as these scriptures show: Ob 17, 18 & Mic 1:5

And in Matt 10:6 Jesus was telling his apostles to go and preach to the 'people' of Isreal, not the land


So im still at a loss as to why/how 'the house of isreal' came to referre to the land and not the people.

pastorlesofm, on 10 July 2010 - 08:27 AM, said:

Israel's fight is on the defensive, as most of the muslim country have only the total destruction of Israel, that was the whole idea of the PLO, and Jihad. The hate for Israel is seen in the Koran and heard in Muslim temples. The palestiians is a congregate of various members from surrounding muslim countries. Palestine comes from the British , who referred to Israel as Palestine during their occupation of Israel. The Bible discribes the Borders of Israel , not the history text books. Note that strangely the Palistinans came along shortly after Israel was declared a state by the UN. The motive is obvious for Palestinians. No matter how much land Israel hands over to Palestine, Palistians will want more, until all of Israel is in the hands of the Muslim World. Unfortunately the world is buying the Palestinuans' objective. Israel is not the occupiers , quite the opposite. You know the World hates the people, God's Son and God Himself. The Cross is where the hate of the World and the Love of God did battle and God's Love won the battle. He will win the battle over Israel also. Israel at times did turn its' back on God but believe me God never turned His back on Israel, and He never will, no more than He turns His back on us. If Jesus could say from the Cross;" Forgive them Father, for they know not what they did.", one must agree that God would do the same to Israel. Even though the world writes the Jews off, God will never write them off, rest assured. As far as a high priest in Israel , there is one, Jesus Christ, as He is our High Priest, daily making intercession for us. End time prophecy states that Israel will realize that they allowed the Messiah to go to the Cross, that the Messiah came in the Person of Jesus Christ. There will be great mourning among Israel.

politics aside, it doesnt explain how the 'house of Isreal' came to refer to the land and not the people.

And did you not realise that the modern jews have rejected the idea of a personal messiah? They don't believe in a real messiah anymore...they are not waiting for the christ...they are not convinced that a real physical messiah is what the OT prophesies were promising so i think you'll be waiting a very long time for them to suddenly accept that Jesus was in fact the messiah.

[pastorlesofm]

Pegg, on 10 July 2010 - 10:04 AM, said:

It may be called that today, but it wasnt in bible times

'the house of Isreal' refered to Jacobs decendents...not the land as these scriptures show: Ob 17, 18 & Mic 1:5

And in Matt 10:6 Jesus was telling his apostles to go and preach to the 'people' of Isreal, not the land


So im still at a loss as to why/how 'the house of isreal' came to referre to the land and not the people.




politics aside, it doesnt explain how the 'house of Isreal' came to refer to the land and not the people.

And did you not realise that the modern jews have rejected the idea of a personal messiah? They don't believe in a real messiah anymore...they are not waiting for the christ...they are not convinced that a real physical messiah is what the OT prophesies were promising so i think you'll be waiting a very long time for them to suddenly accept that Jesus was in fact the messiah.

What the Word of God says is what I will go with and no ther text. That is the only reference you'll see me use or quote.No text b ooks, dictionaries, encylopedias, just the plain Word of God. Pegg you can research all of man's knowledge you want and disires out there, I will never begrudge Israel's right to the land they have now. It is the muslims who are the tent dwellers, not Israel.

[Paul]

Pegg, on 10 July 2010 - 09:04 AM, said:

It may be called that today, but it wasnt in bible times

'the house of Isreal' refered to Jacobs decendents...not the land as these scriptures show: Ob 17, 18 & Mic 1:5

And in Matt 10:6 Jesus was telling his apostles to go and preach to the 'people' of Isreal, not the land


So im still at a loss as to why/how 'the house of isreal' came to referre to the land and not the people.


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And the House of Israel is still here today but the vast majority of them live right here in the USA, that is the House of Israel I'm talking about.

Pegg, on 10 July 2010 - 09:04 AM, said:

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And did you not realise that the modern jews have rejected the idea of a personal messiah? They don't believe in a real messiah anymore...they are not waiting for the christ...they are not convinced that a real physical messiah is what the OT prophesies were promising so i think you'll be waiting a very long time for them to suddenly accept that Jesus was in fact the messiah.

Pegg, do you know that there are people that claim to be Jews but are not? Did you know that there are true Jews that are descendents of the tribe of Judah and there are those that are called Jews because they live in the land of Judea?

[Pegg]

Paul, on 10 July 2010 - 11:00 AM, said:

Pegg, do you know that there are people that claim to be Jews but are not? Did you know that there are true Jews that are descendents of the tribe of Judah and there are those that are called Jews because they live in the land of Judea?

No Jew can trace their decendency back to the tribe of Judah...none of them. Their genealogical records were destroyed by Rome in 70ce when jerusalem, its priesthood and temple were destroyed and over a million jews lost their lives.

but no one has explained how 'the house of Isreal' came to be refered to as the 'land of isreal' yet.

[Paul]

Pegg, on 10 July 2010 - 06:25 PM, said:

No Jew can trace their decendency back to the tribe of Judah...none of them. Their genealogical records were destroyed by Rome in 70ce when jerusalem, its priesthood and temple were destroyed and over a million jews lost their lives.

but no one has explained how 'the house of Isreal' came to be refered to as the 'land of isreal' yet.

Because, as has been said, the house of Israel lives somewhere on the land, so it's called the land of Israel.

[JarBreaker]

Pegg, on 10 July 2010 - 09:04 AM, said:

And did you not realise that the modern jews have rejected the idea of a personal messiah? They don't believe in a real messiah anymore...they are not waiting for the christ...they are not convinced that a real physical messiah is what the OT prophesies were promising so i think you'll be waiting a very long time for them to suddenly accept that Jesus was in fact the messiah.

Jews are indeed waiting for a physical messiah ... and not just one but TWO of them.

[pastorlesofm]

JarBreaker, on 18 July 2010 - 03:03 PM, said:

Jews are indeed waiting for a physical messiah ... and not just one but TWO of them.

I do not really think the 12 Tribes of Israel are lost, but scattered. Jesus' lineage goes back to the Levites. Luke 3:23-38 and Matthew 1:2-17. I suggest that you might want to visit:http://www.bridgesforpeace.com/pics/TLWEB1106.pdf

[Paul]

pastorlesofm, on 18 July 2010 - 02:17 PM, said:

I do not really think the 12 Tribes of Israel are lost, but scattered. Jesus' lineage goes back to the Levites. Luke 3:23-38 and Matthew 1:2-17. I suggest that you might want to visit:http://www.bridgesforpeace.com/pics/TLWEB1106.pdf

Yes, they are only lost in the sense that they do not know who they are. God didn't lose them.