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Brother Mike, on 23 May 2010 - 02:21 PM, said:

I was not real clear on your point, but that stealing is still wrong, under the law or not under the Law.

Well how did you know that? Was it not by the law, because God says it is wrong, or do you think that man came up with it by himself? No but God teaches us right from wrong through the law, and by us keeping His laws we honor Him, even Jesus said, if you love me keep My commandments. We don't keep the laws of God to work for our own salvation, but to honor Him and love Him.

I hope this helps. Read my last post again, maybe you missed something.

Brother Mike, on 21 May 2010 - 09:29 PM, said:

gumby, on 20 May 2010 - 09:48 PM, said:

Matthew 18:21-23 (New King James Version)



The Parable of the Unforgiving Servant
²¹ Then Peter came to Him and said, “Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? Up to seven times?”
²² Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven.

These are the only type of sins that we can forgive one another, but we can not forgive the sins that we commit against God, only God can do that thats my whole point.

Joshua 24:18-20 (New King James Version)
18 And the LORD drove out from before us all the people, including the Amorites who dwelt in the land. We also will serve the LORD, for He is our God.”
19 But Joshua said to the people, “You cannot serve the LORD, for He is a holy God. He is a jealous God; He will not forgive your transgressions nor your sins. 20 If you forsake the LORD and serve foreign gods, then He will turn and do you harm and consume you, after He has done you good.” Psalm 79:9
Help us, O God of our salvation,For the glory of Your name; And deliver us, and provide atonement for our sins, For Your name’s sake!

Psalm 90:8
You have set our iniquities before You,Our secret sins in the light of Your countenance.

Isaiah 1:18
“ Come now, and let us reason together,” Says the LORD, “ Though your sins are like scarlet, They shall be as white as snow; Though they are red like crimson, They shall be as wool.

Brother Mike, on 19 May 2010 - 06:45 PM, said:

The Apostles Commissioned

¹⁹ Then, the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled,^[c] for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in the midst, and said to them, “Peace be with you.” ²⁰ When He had said this, He showed them His hands and His side. Then the disciples were glad when they saw the Lord.
²¹ So Jesus said to them again, “Peace to you! As the Father has sent Me, I also send you.” ²² And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. ²³ If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”

What I believe what we have here is our Lord after His resurrection, and He sends out the 12 apostles on their first mission to preach the Gospel, and if that person believes the Gospel then their sins are forgiven them and if they don't believe then their sins are not forgiven them. They were sent out to the Jews only, because later on Jesus makes Paul the apostle to the Gentiles' and for them to receive the Gospel.


Matthew 10:5-8
5 These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: “Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans. ⁶ But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. ⁷ And as you go, preach, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’ ⁸ Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead,^[c] cast out demons. Freely you have received, freely give.

Now if you look at these Scriptrues in Matthew, this is before our Lord Jesus died on the cross for our sins. So I believe that what we have here is our Lord Empowering the Apostles to do these things, now if you look at these Scriptures you do not see where the Lord gives them the power to forgive sins, because only God can forgive sins though the shed blood of His Son Jesus.

I think that it would be wrong for us as believers to think that we all have that same power given to us by the Lord Jesus, because if that was so then we ourselves as believers would not die in this life, because if that was ture then any other believer would have the power to raise us up from the dead again.

⁹ Now therefore, behold, the cry of the children of Israel has come to Me, and I have also seen the oppression with which the Egyptians oppress them. ¹⁰ Come now, therefore, and I will send you to Pharaoh that you may bring My people, the children of Israel, out of Egypt.”

This is the type of Election that the bible is speaking of and has not a thing to do with salvation at all but called into service for God.

For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

When one is born again, then that is when God wants to talk to us about service for Him, that is the kind of Election we have here, not for salvation.