Hearing the Lord Jesus Christ

[Randy Kluth]

Normally I wouldn't go on like this . . .

Last week my wife came to me to tell me the kitchen was backed up into the bathtub, so I need to snake the drain. I knew she was right. I hate snaking drains! So I got it out, and after struggling to get it just a few feet into the drain, naturally it got stuck. I couldn't do anything! I couldn't go further, and I couldn't pull it out. Frustration was starting to rise, and that's my cue! Negative emotional energy - something taking away my peace and joy - is a sign that the flesh is getting involved.

So I stopped, set myself to rest a moment, and asked God, would you please use this snake, or something, to open this drain? I knew either He would, or it wasn't going to happen. I was looking for Him to do it. I tried one more time. The snake moved a couple more inches, and heard that wonderful gurgling sound as I watch the last of the standing water just drain right down.

Yay God!!!

So I started to wind the snake back up, but no go! Stuck! God, would you get this snake out of this drain? I try one more time, and that wonderful sound, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz as I pull out the measely 7 feet of so that was actually in the drain.

I am weak, but He is stong. In my weakness is His strength. We are His children, whom He created, to whom it is His pleasure to share His love.

Much love!

Yea, nice story. I've had plenty of good experiences, though sometimes God doesn't always bail me out quickly. But yes, we have to turn to Him. When I'm really desperate, I put my face right flat on the floor, and beg Him. He responds often to my humbling myself, to my desperation. Thanks for a wonderful testimony! :)

 

[Karl Peters]

As I understand repentance, from the Greek Metanoia, this word doesn't refer to your actions, doing right, doing wrong, and changing from wrong to right.

That's really good - and correct!!

Only God is good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So only God knows what's right!! We are just not in a position to know the right thing to do.

For example we might have a route to go to work everyday, and come to know it as the right way to go, but what if there is an accident about to happen - we would not know that or not but God would, so to really know what the right thing to do we have to actually being seek the Lord and picking up on what He wants!! That is to say we have to believe that He God (the only righteous One) is there to be heard from and seeking His voice!!

The problem comes from our leaning on our own understanding. So indeed repentance is truly changing from wrong (our thoughts) to right (His thoughts) which means we start seeking His voice.

Now fortunately we are not saved by our good works (our actually doing and saying only what God tells us like Jesus Christ did and still does) but we are saved simply because we believe He is there. That enables Him to get through to us if really needed - nevertheless is we are wise we be trying to seek His voice more and more, because hearing from Him is great value. The Lord of course understands that also, so He reproves those He loves, and the reproof is often along the lines of needing to seek His voice more!!

For example - someone might have an understanding based on their own understanding and study and another person might be getting what understanding they have from the Lord. We are correct to understand that repentance does refer to changing from wrong to right, but do we understand that mean from turning from our understanding to His understanding? Do we understand that we get His understanding from His voice and not by leaning on our understanding?

Prov 3:5,6 Trust in the LORD with all your heart And do not lean on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge Him,
And He will make your paths straight.

Prov 3:11,12 My son, do not reject the discipline of the LORD Or loathe His reproof, For whom the LORD loves He reproves,
Even as a father corrects the son in whom he delights.

 

[Karl Peters]

This post makes me feel like I’m doing something wrong or not doing something correctly to hear from the Lord. I have heard, very directly the unmistakable voice of Christ two times in my life. One time to pull me from darkness and one time to let me know my body is his vessel. I wish I could have a constant dialog with Jesus but a lot of the time it feels like a one way communication.

I love the above post - it shows how it is with many Christians that I have talked to. They have heard from the Lord a few times and they would like to have conversations with Him, but it feels like it's a one way communication when they do try and hear from Him!

That is why this thread and topic is so important! Christians would like to have conversations with the Lord but many are finding it hard to do so!! I sometimes have a hard time getting into a conversation with Him also, yet He is always there!! He said He is and He didn't lie did He? And not only is He always there He is there standing at the door and knocking with His voice so that all we have to do is open up the door to Him and let Him come into our lives and we can have those conversations. He had John write that for Him in Revelation.

So either our Lord has lied about always been there and there to have back and for conversations with us, or there is another problem or problems getting in the way of us hearing from Him!!!

God is not a liar, so there must be other problems!!!

I am not saying it is this or that problem but perhaps some of these things are getting in our way and we need to consider them and see what can be done about them:

Perhaps our faith that He is with us comes and goes?

The Lord has had me work in a few Christian ministries for Him where people would come in and I (with a couple of others) needed to minister to them and pray for them. To me that means I have to hook up with the Lord and hear what He has to say, and having to means pressure to hear from Him. The pressure to hear from Him for others tends to make it harder to hear from Him. Thus the pressure to hear from Him makes it harder to believe I can hear from Him! So there are a couple of things I have learn to do wo deal with that.

I find it easier to hear from Him on littler and less important things. So I often start by trying to hear Him tell me which foot to put forward - that is I will start to walk but I will ask the Lord which foot to put forward first, then which way to put it forward, then I start as I believe I hear from Him, and I keep checking and listening so that soon I have Hi telling me where to go as I walk around the room. Once I get Him talking to me like that (by faith) then I increase the questions to where I am getting more and more information.

For example: I once was with two other men getting ready to bring in another man to minister. The leader had to leave for a minute and so I started the above walking and trying to hear from the Lord. The other man in the room I was to minister with asked me what I was doing, and I explained that I often find it easier to hear from the Lord while waking with Him, and indeed I started to hear from Him pretty well. The Lord showed me a picture of smoke in the lungs of a man, and the Lord told me that the man coming in had a problem with His lungs which needed prayer. And as I continued to walk with the Lord and the conversation proceeded the Lord also told me that this man coming in had a Christian mom who used to take him to church and prayed for Him a lot. Yet it was his mom, not his dad that was important for this man being in the church even on this day.

So the leader of our little ministry team came back and we got the man to be ministered to. The lead proceeded how he always did, relying on his experience as a minister and his techniques. He asked the normal types of questions and got the normal type of responses and the session was a pretty normal Christian ministry session. Then the leader asked if any of us had something. So I asked the man how his lungs were. He kind of laughed in amazement, explaining that they were not good, and wonder why I had asked that. I simply explained that the Lord had mentioned it (which He had).That of course changed the direction of the ministry and got the leader leading us all in prayer.

Then again the leader asked if any of us had anything else. So I asked the man if he didn't have a pretty good Christian mom who prayed for him and used to take him to church as a child. The man told me, 'Wow, your amazing" which of course was not true. God is amazing and I just had decided to walk and talk with Him.

That is the point!!! The Lord our God is amazing, but how willing are we to seek Him with all our heart?

Don't give us when we find it a bit difficult to get into conversations with Him. Does He not make it that way so that we should come to the understanding that He was worth hearing from, even if we have to seek Him harder?

The Lord once told me, "Karl, It is not easy hearing from a rock. You have to listen really really well."

He is our Rock - so think about hearing from Him like trying to hear from a rock. God is spirit and we can hear from His Holy Spirit via our spirit but you have to listen really close! And my advice is to start with the easy things and slowly move to more as your hearing by faith grows! :)

 

[marks]

Yea, nice story. I've had plenty of good experiences, though sometimes God doesn't always bail me out quickly. But yes, we have to turn to Him. When I'm really desperate, I put my face right flat on the floor, and beg Him. He responds often to my humbling myself, to my desperation. Thanks for a wonderful testimony! :)

That's true for me too, that relief doesn't always come right away. Just to say, our God gets very involved in our lives.

Much love!

 

[marks]

I have heard, very directly the unmistakable voice of Christ two times in my life. One time to pull me from darkness

There was one time I think I heard God's audible voice, though I cannot be sure, because it sounded like my wife.

I was having a particularly evil dream . . . it was more than a dream I think . . . at at a particularly bad moment, a voice called my name, and I immediately was wide away, the sound fading from the air.

It's hard to know for sure what's what sometimes.

Much love!

 

[Mantis]

There was one time I think I heard God's audible voice, though I cannot be sure, because it sounded like my wife.

I was having a particularly evil dream . . . it was more than a dream I think . . . at at a particularly bad moment, a voice called my name, and I immediately was wide away, the sound fading from the air.

It's hard to know for sure what's what sometimes.

Much love!

It took me a hearing a few words from him before I recognized the voice.

 

[marks]

For example we might have a route to go to work everyday, and come to know it as the right way to go, but what if there is an accident about to happen - we would not know that or not but God would, so to really know what the right thing to do we have to actually being seek the Lord and picking up on what He wants!! That is to say we have to believe that He God (the only righteous One) is there to be heard from and seeking His voice!!

The problem comes from our leaning on our own understanding. So indeed repentance is truly changing from wrong (our thoughts) to right (His thoughts) which means we start seeking His voice.

So here's my thinking on this whole matter.

The Just shall live by faith.

Faith is belief without empirical evidence. So those of us who receive more evidence, what does that say about me? I think I hear from God telling me how to live my life? That must mean I am weak in faith. The one who is stronger in faith more likely must follows those subliminal impulses which are the gentle nudgings of the Holy Spirit, which is all they need.

And in the age to come . . . what does it mean if the works of faith are what gain reward? What of me? I don't care, I just want Jesus, and He is my reward.

But just the same. Things are upside down in God's kingdom. I am a foolish and weak child, nothing more. I don't say that from anything other than a sense of reality. Don't make anything of it. I just know what an idiot I am, and how I've wasted most of my life and resource.

With that being said . . . be certain that God is able to engineer the life and relationship which is right for you, good for you, chosen for you by your Father.

Much love!

 

[Karl Peters]

So here's my thinking on this whole matter.

The Just shall live by faith.

Faith is belief without empirical evidence. So those of us who receive more evidence, what does that say about me? I think I hear from God telling me how to live my life? That must mean I am weak in faith. The one who is stronger in faith more likely must follows those subliminal impulses which are the gentle nudgings of the Holy Spirit, which is all they need.

And in the age to come . . . what does it mean if the works of faith are what gain reward? What of me? I don't care, I just want Jesus, and He is my reward.

But just the same. Things are upside down in God's kingdom. I am a foolish and weak child, nothing more. I don't say that from anything other than a sense of reality. Don't make anything of it. I just know what an idiot I am, and how I've wasted most of my life and resource.

With that being said . . . be certain that God is able to engineer the life and relationship which is right for you, and good for you, chosen for you by your Father.

Much love!

I have often spent time just walking and talking with the Lord. I don't have to. I can just let Him get through to me if He needs to, because Yes - God is ac Still - I like to sometimes just walk and talk with Him. He tells me interesting things!

One day He told me "One must know what one must know to get to where they are going."

He says the strangest things, but they make sense - especially if you keep asking Him about what He said. So I did, and He explained that those going to hell have to know what they know to get there. They will get there so they will get to know what they need to know to get there. As for me, He explained, I knew Him and that is what a person need to know to get to where I am going.

Concerning people hearing from Him a time or two in their lives: He once talked to me about how if someone comes up to you on the street and asks you for directions don't we give them the directions? And what if you see someone drowning, don't you throw them a live saver? So it is, He explained that He comes across people asking for directions and for some help and He gives them directions and help, but that doesn't mean He knows them or that they know Him anymore that you know the person who asked for direction in a moments time.

So I ask, are we preaching the Word of God to mean that He is there to talk to us in words via His Holy Spirit speaking to our spirit, or are we perhaps preaching a rare encounter with God? Or perhaps we are preaching a 'feeling or nudging from Him' as opposed to the Word of God? Maybe we are preaching the Word of God to mean He died and left us a book (the Bible) as opposed to leaving us His Holy Spirit who can and does speak words to our spirit?

As for me, because of my relationship with Him, I preach the Word of God is near us and that we can indeed find His words spoken to us personally, and we find those "Words" in our heart and perhaps sometimes in our mouth. And I preach that "Today, if you hear His voice" to mean that "Today" is obviously the day you should have heard those "Words" from God that are near us!

That is what is written in the Bible, and I testify it to be true. Jesus Christ, The living and active Word of God, is always with us! I think people need to seek Him a bit more (even me) but still like He said to me, "One must know what one must know to get to where they are going"!

Yes - He can "engineer the relationship which is right for you" so what relationship do you want that to be? Won't the Father consider your desires? I believe if you just want a God that if needed you can get a direction, but you don't really want to ask Him for directions, you could get lost. If you want to lean on your understanding instead of seeking the Lord advice, I believe the Father can and will set that up for you also. However, if you truly want to get into a close personal relationship with His Son, I believe that is what the Father wants for you and will certainly set that up also.

So we have been given the ability to chose!!

 

[marks]

So I ask, are we preaching the Word of God

I just plain preach the Word of God.

Subjective experiences are fine and all, but that's all they are. Subjective and internal expriences. A voice in one's head. It's NOTHING if not supported by the Bible, and if it's supported by the Bible, then why do we need an internal voice? Is it because we have problems believing the Bible?

You say we can choose how God communicates with us, I think rather He chooses that, and we receive from Him what is good in His eyes.

Our insistence that it be some other way than what He is doing is risky business in my opinion. People are REALLY GOOD at self-deception.

Much love!

 

[Karl Peters]

I just plain preach the Word of God.

Subjective experiences are fine and all, but that's all they are. Subjective and internal expriences. A voice in one's head. It's NOTHING if not supported by the Bible, and if it's supported by the Bible, then why do we need an internal voice? Is it because we have problems believing the Bible?

You say we can choose how God communicates with us, I think rather He chooses that, and we receive from Him what is good in His eyes.

Our insistence that it be some other way than what He is doing is risky business in my opinion. People are REALLY GOOD at self-deception.

Much love!

The Holy Spirit once told me: "We don't use the Lord to preach the Scriptures, we use the Scriptures to preach the Lord"

Another time while about to get in the shower the Lord told me, "Karl, I want you to preach the Word but not as it is so often preached today. I want you to preach I am the Word of God." And when He said "I am" those words hit me with power so that I started falling to the bathroom floor and had to catch myself before crashing down.

Yet I hear people tell me that the preach the Bible, and the Bible is the Word of God - What does the Bible actually say about that?

Rev 19:13 He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood and His name is called "THE WORD OF GOD"

Jn 1:1,2 In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God.

So according to the Bible Jesus Christ is the Word of God - that is His name!! According to the Bible.

Mal 2:1 And now this commandment is for you, O priests, If you do not listen, and if you do not take it to heart to give honor to My name says the Lord of hosts, "then I will send the curse upon you and I will curse blessings; and indeed, I have cursed them already.

The above is not from me. I don't curse people. But according to what is written in the Bible, if you do not listen and give honor to His name (and His name is called The Word of God), then He is going to and has already cursed your blessings.

Now is should be obvious that He (the Christ who took on flesh) is called the Word of God because we can listen to Him, but some will not listen. If you don't listen to Him then He will obviously not be the word of God to you! If you don't listen to Him, then the line on line of sacred text would have to become the word of God to you. Didn't the Lord explain this through Isaiah?

Is 28: 12,13 ... And "Here is repose," but they would not listen. So the word of the Lord to them will be, "Order on order, order on order, Line on line, line on line, A little here, a little there." That they may go stumble backwards, be broken, snared and taken captive.

The fact is that if we don't actually seek the voice of the Lord, then what we have left to know as the word of God is the Scriptures which the Lord had written in an orderly manor in line upon line, so that we study them a little here and a little there. That is as opposed to knowing the Lord and walking and talking with Him through out our day.

Gal 3:9,10 So then those who are of faith are blessed with Abraham, the believer. For as many as are of the works of the Law are under the curse..

Abraham did not have the Scriptures but he knew the Lord as The Word.l Abraham heard by faith and that was counted to him as righteousness, and the Scriptures had not been written at that time. The Scriptures were not in the beginning.

Gen 15:1 After these things the word of the Lord came to Abram in a vision saying...

That was not the sacred writing speaking to Abram, it was the Christ whose name is called The Word of God. If we believe in him we are counted as righteous, and thus we get salvation - so the Christ whose name is called the Word of God becomes God's salvation if with believe and thus listen to Him - and Jesus means God's salvation. So the Christ (the Word of God) is God's salvation (Jesus) to us if we believe He in Him, and believing in Him means knowing Him as the Word of God because He is the One who has the words of God for us personally.

Still, Jesus told the Jews (Jn 5:39) You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life

There is nothing new under the sun. There were some searching the Scriptures instead of coming to Him and hearing what He has to say to them back then, and we can be sure that still happens today. So the writings are correct and good for study and reproof! But do we actually believe what people like Moses wrote to us? Back then some didn't.

Jn 5:46,47 For if you believed the Moses you would believe Me, for he wrote about Me. But if you do not believe his writings how will you believe My words

Simply put, Moses explained the the Word was near us. We find the words of the Lord in our hearts and in our mouth because God is spirit and He speaks to our spirit. So we can get to know Him (The Word of God) by seeking Him and listening for His words in our spirit. So the word of God we preach is found in our hearts and sometimes coming out our mouth, because that is how the Holy Spirit, who has the words from God for us personally is found. The Scriptures explain all this! So we can use the Scriptures to preach Jesus Christ as the Word of God. Yet the person, as explained, that preaches the Scriptures as the Word of God, as opposed to Jesus Christ, is using what the Lord gave us (the Scriptures) to preach the Scriptures instead of knowing Him!

It happened back then, it still happens. Some are still putting their faith in the Bible instead of Jesus Christ!

Gal 3:22 But the Scriptures has shut up everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe

 

[marks]

Some are still putting their faith in the Bible instead of Jesus Christ!

Thank you for showing yourself to me!

You would make people choose? That is foolishness to me.

Much love!

 

[marks]

There were some searching the Scriptures instead of coming to Him and hearing what He has to say to them back then, and we can be sure that still happens today.

"You search the Scriptures, but you refuse to come to me."

Yeah, I'm sure it does. And you aren't the first one I've met who diminishes the importance of those very Scriptures.

Are you supposing their fault lay in searching the Scriptures? Paul commended the Bereans. What do you suppose was the difference between them?

Was their fault in "searching the Scriptures", but intend on finding only what they wanted to find? That they did not submit themself to God, in submitting themselves to His Word?

Much love!

 

[Karl Peters]

"You search the Scriptures, but you refuse to come to me."

Yeah, I'm sure it does. And you aren't the first one I've met who diminishes the importance of those very Scriptures.

Are you supposing their fault lay in searching the Scriptures? Paul commended the Bereans. What do you suppose was the difference between them?

Was their fault in "searching the Scriptures", but intend on finding only what they wanted to find? That they did not submit themself to God, in submitting themselves to His Word?

Much love!

If anyone says they are going to follow the Scriptures, they missed what the Scriptures were telling them!!!!

“When he puts forth all his own, he goes ahead of them, and the sheep follow him because they know his voice.

Now the fist words He told me were "Read Your Bible", but in doing so I follow him and His instructions!! Therefore He is God Word to me - simply because I hear His voice!!

So what about the Pharisees and Sadducees - that we read about in the Bible? They follow their own understanding of the Scriptures and their own traditions. Because of such they were used as an example of what not to do!!

Now the Scriptures are good for reproof!!!

So it is easy to show the Jesus Christ is the Word of God and we are to follow Him by being lead by His voice. Yet there were some and still are that insist that they are following the Bible, even though the Bible clearly explains that we are to hear from the voice of our Lord Jesus Christ and follow Him because we know his voice. The Bible clearly states that He is the Word of God - as was proven in a prior post. The Bible also clearly shows that if a person does not listen to the Lord then the Word of God to them is going to be line on line and that so they go stumbling backwards.

Yes - the Scriptures are good for study and for reproof - especially they are good for reproving those who do not hear from the Lord, not seek His voice, nor follow His instructions, so that the only words of God they have are the Scriptures, and the only understanding they have is their own or from other men. That is sad. He is worth knowing. Those who wrote the Bible knew Him and they wrote about Him, even as He instructed them. Yet the whole reason for them writing is that so we might also come to know Him personally, but some are unwilling to listen to Him!

Is 30:8,9 Now go, write it on a tablet before them And inscribe it on a scroll,
That it may serve in the time to come As a witness forever.
For this is a rebellious people, false sons, Sons who refuse to listen To the instruction of the LORD;

As can be read in the Scriptures - those sacred writing serve as a witness forever that rebellious people, those false sons, refuse to listen to the instructions of the Lord.

So do we really claim to follow the Scriptures, and still not understand that we are supposed to be following the Lord by listening to His voice??

There is noting new under the sun. There are still those trying hard to follow the Scriptures instead of putting their faith in Jesus Christ. So they don't seek Him. They don't listen to Him. As a result the Word of God to them is line on line, instead of their friend and Lord who talks to them Today,

The Good News is that if anyone decides to believe in Him (as that great I AM whose name is called The Word of God, because He can be heard from) then they can seek Him and find Him, because He was always standing at the dooring and knocking with His voice. The Word of God we preach has always been found near you - in your heart and in your mouth - because God is spirit and the Lord sends His Holy Spirit with His words for us personally!!

Thus the Word of God we preach is not found in the ink on pages, because He is not a book but a person who is with us always! But this has been discussed over and over - and we can read about this in the Bible.

Rom 10: 1-11 Brethren, my heart’s desire and my prayer to God for them is for their salvation. For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not in accordance with knowledge. For not knowing about God’s righteousness and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. For Moses writes that the man who practices the righteousness which is based on law shall live by that righteousness. But the righteousness based on faith speaks as follows: “DO NOT SAY IN YOUR HEART, ‘WHO WILL ASCEND INTO HEAVEN?’ (that is, to bring Christ down), or ‘WHO WILL DESCEND INTO THE ABYSS?’ (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).” But what does it say? “THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; or with the heart a person believes, [fn]resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. For the Scripture says, “WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED.”

I have found Him! He speaks to me and I hear words spoken to me in my heart, and if I am not paying close attention those words might also be found coming out of my mouth. So it is that I believe in Him and I know Him as my Lord - meaning He gives me instructions - like encouraging other to believe He is there for them to seek find and hear from also!!

 

[Karl Peters]

People - it is possible to hear from the Lord Jesus Christ!!!!

It is not hard - you seek Him by faith and listen in your spirit for His Holy Spirit!! Of course He is not the only spirit, so some discernment is important, but it is written "Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. (Mat 7:7. Luke 11:9)

This is so important to understand!! Still some reject that idea of actually seeking Him. I have seen people write that if He wants to talk to them He can. But He is trying to talk to us. He stands at the door knocking with His voice, so it is also written

Jer 6:10 To whom shall I speak and give warning That they may hear?
Behold, their ears are closed And they cannot listen.
Behold, the word of the LORD has become a reproach to them; They have no delight in it.

If you delight in the Lord you will seek the words He has for you personally!! He will be your Lord and you will be His people! But if you have not delight in hearing from Him then you have closed your ears and can not listen to Him! So it is that He tells us who do listen to Him to preach Him as the Word of God, meaning people need to listen to Him.

Now don't think I listen to Him as well as I should. I know I don't! But I hear words from Him everyday and usually about a dozen different times a day. They are personal words, and not usually all that interesting to others. Today, beside asking me to post, He talked to me about son and his knew position at work, and He promised me that it was going to work out for my son. He promised me that and even sent some angels that served Him to confirm His words that he would take care of it. He had me get a "celebration cake" from the store. All that is not important to know other than it is important to know that He cares for you and for your life. He promises us life and that more abundantly, so should you not listen to Him everyday called "Today"?? Today is the day to hear from Him, and everyday called "Today"

Jer 6:19 “Hear, O earth: behold, I am bringing disaster on this people, The fruit of their plans,
Because they have not listened to My words, And as for My law, they have rejected it also.

Are we not going through a pandemic and other unique things today? It could be worse and it might be. So the question is; are we listening to Him like we should or can, or are we closing our ears to Him and telling ourselves that He can talk to us if He feels like it?

If we "Christians" are not listening to Him "Today" - so that we wind up telling people we are going to follow the Bible, as if He is not always with us to lead us with His voice, then how are we at telling other people about Him? If we close our ears to Him who will we even hear a warning if needed. And if you didn't hear a word from Him personally and get instruction from Him personally "Today" is it not because you don't really delight in hearing from Him?

When I started this thread I was hoping to find Christians who being also lead by His voice could discuss hearing from Him. What I have seem to have found are people who barely hear from Him and are going around trying to follow the Bible, as if He died or is perhaps still in some far off place called heaven! Thus the Word of God they are preaching is the ink on pages and not the Holy Spirit bring the word of our Lord to our spirit so that the word is near them - in their hearts and mouth.

 

[Karl Peters]

Thank you for showing yourself to me!

You would make people choose? That is foolishness to me.

Much love!

Yeah - I see - you think it foolish to actually choose Jesus Christ.

We do need to choose Jesus Christ!!!!!

Don't worry - He will tell you to read your bible. The first words He told me were "Read Your Bible".

But we don't follow the Bible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We choose Jesus Christ and follow Him!!!!!!!!!!!
He has instructions for us - but we have to listen to Him!!!
He has teachings for us - but we have to listen to Him!!!!
He has encouragement, counsel, wisdom, and even jokes for us - but you have to listen and get actually know Him?

There were three chickens in the barnyard - a big fat chicken, a medium sized chicken, and a little baby chicken. Which one did the fox go for?

Answer - The one farthest from the dog of course!

You can be a big fat Christian, or a medium sized Christian, of a new little baby Christian, but that devil is always going to go for the Christian farthest from God. So stay close and listen to Him! WE have to choose Him!! Leaning on our own understanding of what is written in the Bible is not going to get it done!

Prov 8:4 -6 “To you, O men, I call, And my voice is to the sons of men. O naïve ones, understand prudence; Listen, for I will speak noble things;
And the opening of my lips will reveal right things.

Is it not right that we should choose Him, stay close to Him, listen to His voice and learn from Him?

Besides that joke above He also told me:

AS INSTRUCTIONS ARE GIVEN TO A SERVANT, AND WISDOM AND PARABLES TO A SON, AND AS JOKES ARE GIVEN TO A FRIEND, SO I LOVE YOU IS SAID TO A BRIDE.

and,

WHAT TEACHER DOESN’T PUT A BOOK IN FRONT OF HIS STUDENTS TODAY; YET NOT JUST A BOOK BUT OVERHEAD TRANSPARENCIES, VISUALS, AND OTHER MATERIAL? FOR I TELL YOU TRULY, IF THEY ARE NOT LISTENING TO ME THEY ARE NOT MY PUPIL, THEY ARE NOT MY STUDENT; I TELL YOU TRULY, THEY ARE NOT MY DISCIPLE UNLESS THEY ARE HEARING FROM ME. SO DON’T TELL THEM TO READ THE BOOK, THEM TO TAKE THE CLASS!”


and of course many many other things. So if we are being taught of God we have things like the above and they were important to us, right?

Yes - Like most teachers He uses a book, but not only a book. Still, if you are looking to follow the book instead of listening to Him have you not missed plenty?? He does not only use a book. Mostly, like every teacher, He teaches you with His voice. And if He is your Lord then He also gives you instructions personally!

Is 30:21 Your ears will hear a word behind you, “This is the way, walk in it,” whenever you turn to the right or to the left.

He has often taken me around yard sales to telling me things like, 'go right up here... now turn left after the light up there... check out that sale there... the guy there is a pastor." I told that man that he was a pastor, then he told me that he was not a pastor but only a youth pastor. Well, I had to laugh because of course a youth pastor is a pastor, and I knew the only reason I told that man that was because that still small voice which was telling me turn here and there had also told me that the man was a pastor. And still I try and get people to start seeking Him, but who will believe?

 

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Yeah - I see - you think it foolish to actually choose Jesus Christ.

No need to put those words in my mouth, it's not what I said, not what I think . . .

Much love!

 

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So what about the Pharisees and Sadducees - that we read about in the Bible? They follow their own understanding of the Scriptures and their own traditions. Because of such they were used as an example of what not to do!!

Just so.

You will not understand the Bible without the Holy Spirit to teach you. But when you do, WOW!!!

:)

Much love!

 

[Karl Peters]

No need to put those words in my mouth, it's not what I said, not what I think . . .

Much love!

Me??

You wrote:

You would make people choose? That is foolishness to me.

And that in response to "Some are still putting their faith in the Bible instead of Jesus Christ!"

Yes - I would make people choose Jesus Christ!!!

We don't follow the Bible!! We read and study the Bible, but we follow Jesus Christ and that by listening to His voice!! If we have studied the Bible surely we know that we are to follow Jesus Christ by listening to His voice!!

Jn 10:4 When he puts forth all his own, he goes ahead of them, and the sheep follow him because they know his voice.

So yes again - I would have people put their faith in Jesus Christ, but some have put their faith in their own understanding of the Bible. If someone is that person, they would say things like they are following the Bible - as opposed to following Jesus Christ by listening to His voice.

 

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“When he puts forth all his own, he goes ahead of them, and the sheep follow him because they know his voice.

Now the fist words He told me were "Read Your Bible", but in doing so I follow him and His instructions!! Therefore He is God Word to me - simply because I hear His voice!!

And when His Voice is likewise the Scriptures themselves? What then? Do you not know His Voice there?

Not to be offensive, but many people hear voices, and not just in their minds. I'm not saying you are crazy, so no need to go there. But I will say that we are unreliable in our minds, and need to have something outside our minds to confirm our minds are not deceiving or deluding us.

And I don't see that as being just one, but throughout our lives. We remain in corrupted flesh, with corrupted brains, that come up with corrupted flesh-minds. The Bible is our checksum.

But beyond that, well, all I can say is, God speaks to you in your mind, and God speaks to me in my mind, and in my Bible, and in both cases, His Words are absolutely and astoundinly amazing. I hate to see anyone overthrow one or the other.

The one possession I hope to keep with me for the remainder of my life is my KJV Bible. But if I'm not able to keep it that's OK, because no one can take Jesus from me.

One more thing I'll say. I've seen very plainly and strongly how the reading and study of the Bible renews the mind. It's they way it's supposed to work. Continuing in the doctrine of the Apostles. I just don't get why you have a problem with that.

Much love!

 

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Yes - I would make people choose Jesus Christ!!!

That's the problem. You preach rejecting the Bible.

You seem to think God's voice is only in your head, and not in His Book.

Much love!