Falling From Grace

[Stumpmaster]

Episkopos wrote that "falling from Grace is not the terrible thing that people make it out to be".

And you said this is a "good one'., Stumpmaster.

Yet Paul the Apostle wrote that you are "bewitched, in the flesh"... if you are "fallen from Grace".
So, Episkopos says its "no biggie", Yet Paul wrote a letter in the NT warning believers about it.

i think you, Stumpmaster, need to pay more attention to to what your buddy is preaching. As its Galatians 1:8.

Chill out, Brother Behold. I responded by way of edification, comfort, and encouragement to Episkopos regarding the excellent line he wrote namely, "By grace we fulfill that standard."

Falling from grace is not the end of the world if being rebuked for it leads to being restored to it.

 

[Behold]

Falling from grace is not the end of the world if being rebuked for it leads to being restored to it.

And what about the little ones? ?

Do you ever consider them Stumpmaster?

Sure, this person we are referring to is a devout Legalist.
He's on a few forums posting legalistically articulate info, in every post and Thread, that is designed to get you on the Cross nailed to your works and your commandment keeping.

Paul says this EFFORT is 'cursed".....Galatians 1:8.

So, He has no effect on me, as im beyond being affected by the Gospel of water and works in place of the Blood of Jesus., that most preach on "christian" Forums.
Im safe.
Are you?

However, what about the little ones?
What about the wide-eyed brand new believer that comes to their first FORUM, and they think...>"gee, all these smart bible believers".

"over here is a Thread that says God created all the evil........so, i guess the Devil isn't real"

"over here is a Thread that says that if im not tongue talking, im don't have the Spirit yet'.

"over here is a Thread that says the KJV is full of errors and the Greek Text is the word"

"over here they said that i might be a vessel chosen for destruction, and i had thought i was going to heaven".

"over here they said that Mary is my Queen, and im supposed to swallow Jesus and be careful not to lose any of him on the carpet"

"over here they said that the Grace of God is only as good as my ability to keep the commandments"

"over here, they said that if i forget to confess even one of my sins, then i die and burn in hell, as confessing sins keeps me saved".

"and over here, is another heretic"
"and over here is another gospel"

So what about the Little Ones, Stumpmaster?

Oh, thats ok, you go about your usual business and i'll keep an eye on them, for as long as im around.

 

[Stumpmaster]

And what about the little ones? ?

Do you ever consider them Stumpmaster?

Sure, this person we are referring to is a devout Legalist.
He's on a few forums posting legalistically articulate info, in every post and Thread, that is designed to get you on the Cross nailed to your works and your commandment keeping.

Paul says this EFFORT is 'cursed".....Galatians 1:8.

So, He has no effect on me, as im beyond being affected by the Gospel of water and works in place of the Blood of Jesus., that most preach on "christian" Forums.
Im safe.
Are you?

However, what about the little ones?
What about the wide-eyed brand new believer that comes to their first FORUM, and they think...>"gee, all these smart bible believers".

"over here is a Thread that says God created all the evil........so, i guess the Devil isn't real"

"over here is a Thread that says that if im not tongue talking, im don't have the Spirit yet'.

"over here is a Thread that says the KJV is full of errors and the Greek Text is the word"

"over here they said that i might be a vessel chosen for destruction, and i had thought i was going to heaven".

"over here they said that Mary is my Queen, and im supposed to swallow Jesus and be careful not to lose any of him on the carpet"

"over here they said that the Grace of God is only as good as my ability to keep the commandments"

"over here, they said that if i forget to confess even one of my sins, then i die and burn in hell, as confessing sins keeps me saved".

"and over here, is another heretic"
"and over here is another gospel"

So what about the Little Ones, Stumpmaster?

Oh, thats ok, you go about your usual business and i'll keep an eye on them, for as long as im around.

I still only commented on the one line I agreed with. Nek minit big swathe of hostile accusations. What's that about?

 

[Behold]

I still only commented on the one line I agreed with. Nek minit big swathe of hostile accusations. What's that about?

I said you would go about your usual business and i'll keep an eye out for and on the little ones.
That's not an accusation.
That's reality.

Im here for my reason, and you are here for yours.
I have over 200 Threads posted here, which dictate my reason for being here.

And as i told you in the post...... the little ones, the new Christians, the babe's in Christ, will be faith destroyed on the Forum, and i posted most of the Heresies that you find here, everyday, day and night, and also on every "christian" forum.
The devil is not resting, and God knows his ministers are wide open and free to park and preach here, and on every "christian" forum.

 

[robert derrick]

I dont have a "religion".
I have "Christ in Me, the hope of Glory".
And because i do, im already in heaven...
Notice this...all the born again are....>"Seated in Heavenly Places, in Christ".

And notice this Robert........"As Christ is.....so are the born again, on Earth".

See those?

I am well aware of the mystical Christian religion about soul-separation from the body, to be seated in heavenly places, having no part nor responsibility in salvation of their soul, and so no more responsibility for the deeds of the body.

Though their bodies keep on keeping on in sins and trespasses, their souls do not die, as with other 'unbelieving' souls, because it's no longer their souls doing it, but only their corrupt mortal bodies.

Yeah, I'm well aware of this truly remarkable and wonderfying stuff. So was John when he was flabbergasted and gob-smacked beholding Babylon the Great in all her mystical glory. "There is no way she got that stuff from the Scripture we wrote!! No way!!"

Here's how it goes:

While the soul remains unconditionally preserved in heaven, the old sinful body remains 'left behind' on earth, doing what the old sinful body naturally does: continue on in sins and trespasses.

And so the 'preserved' soul, already ascended to sit in heaven, has no more responsibility for it and so cannot be judged for anything the body does while yet on earth.

I.e. it is no longer the soul committing ongoing sins and trespasses, but just the old body of flesh: it is no longer you that lives in your body, and only Christ lives in your soul.

What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

This Scripture speaks of elect saints no longer continuing in their old sins of the flesh, while yet living in their old bodies on earth.

The mystified perversion version is that the soul seated in heaven is 'dead to sin', and so the soul lives no longer therein, though their bodies left behind on earth continue to do so: God forbid such detached souls could ever be thus judged of sins of the flesh, that are no longer committed by the ascended soul, but only by that old sinful body.

I.e. the old schmuck body now takes all the rap for it's ongoing sins, while the 'preserved' soul is seated in some sealed glass chamber, like an embryo in stasis storage, has nothing to do with it: "My body is no longer me, but is entirely on it's own!"

It's a version of the resurrection is already past heresy, that was overthrowing the faith of some in the days of Paul. (2 Tim 2:18)

The still-on-earth truth of Scripture is that it is no longer we ourselves that live unto ourselves, but Christ that lives in us both to will and to do of His good pleasure at all times, while yet living in old sinful bodies on earth.

Doing His righteousness at all times, no longer having sin reigning over their mortal bodies.

Yeah, I'm fully aware of the soul-separation theory of OSAS. It's basically a doctrine of being saved from judgment of sins, though yet living therein bodily.

Mystical stuff indeed.

And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

OSAS basically teaches grace that saves from judgment of sins, not from sins itself. Sins still reign over their mortal bodies, but judgment for sins cannot longer be for the souls.

I wouldn't call this falling from grace, but rather a mystical version of falling with grace: still falling into sins and trespasses, but now with grace, who will not allow Bad God to judge their souls anymore.

Elect saints are saved from their old sins, and so there is no more righteous judgment of God to condemn them for sins that are past, forgiven, and washed clean away from their lives remaining on earth.

 

[Stumpmaster]

I said you would go about your usual business and i'll keep an eye out for and on the little ones.
That's not an accusation.
That's reality.

Im here for my reason, and you are here for yours.
I have over 200 Threads posted here, which dictate my reason for being here.

And as i told you in the post...... the little ones, the new Christians, the babe's in Christ, will be faith destroyed on the Forum, and i posted most of the Heresies that you find here, everyday, day and night, and also on every "christian" forum.
The devil is not resting, and God knows his ministers are wide open and free to park and preach here, and on every "christian" forum.

Well alright then. Now we're getting somewhere.

The writers of the NT had good reason to mention folk falling from grace and falling short, or failing of it, and even some potentially doing despite to, or insulting the Spirit of grace.

Meanwhile, where sin abounds grace also abounds.

Rom 5:15-21 But the free gift is not like the offense. For if by the one man's offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many. (16) And the gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned. For the judgment which came from one offense resulted in condemnation, but the free gift which came from many offenses resulted in justification. (17) For if by the one man's offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.) (18) Therefore, as through one man's offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man's righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life. (19) For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man's obedience many will be made righteous. (20) Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more, (21) so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

 

[Behold]

I am well aware of the mystical Christian religion about soul-separation from the body, to be seated in heavenly places, having no part nor responsibility in salvation of their soul,

Jesus died to offer "salvation" of the Spirit.
If you can do that for yourself, then just keep on trying, mr Legalist.

However, If you ever figure out that you are not God's sacrifice on The Cross for your own sin, then on that day your 'faith comes by hearing"...then do this..

"the will of God is that you believe on Jesus, Whom God Sent".

And that means you will do this......= Jesus told you...."You must be born again".

Now, you can pretend that water does that for you, and you can continue to pretend that your good works, are what God accepts to accept you.
If that is True, as you believe and teach, then Tell that to Jesus on the Cross, as actually, im not interested in hearing your self saving Galatians 1:8 heresy.
Understand?
Am i clear?
And i'll tell you this again, if you need me to tell you again, Robert.

 

[Desire Of All Nations]

Episkopos wrote that "falling from Grace is not the terrible thing that people make it out to be".

And you said this is a "good one'., Stumpmaster.

Yet Paul the Apostle wrote that you are "bewitched, in the flesh"... if you are "fallen from Grace".
So, Episkopos says its "no biggie", Yet Paul wrote a letter in the NT warning believers about it.

i think you, Stumpmaster, need to pay more attention to to what your buddy is preaching. As its Galatians 1:8.

Gal. 5:1-2 clarifies what Paul spoke about when he referred to people falling from grace by trying to keep a law:

"Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage. Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing." - Gal. 5:1-2

Paul's said it is the people who tried to keep the purely carnal laws that were alienating themselves from grace, not the people who kept God's commandments. God's commandments are spiritual(Rom. 7:14), and therefore do not alienate anybody from grace. Proof that your argument is both incorrect and absurd lies in Acts 13:14, 42-43 where Paul encouraged the Jews and Gentiles in Pisidia to continue in the grace of God after spending 2 Sabbaths with them.

It is literally impossible for a person who believes law and grace oppose each other to logically explain why Paul would say that instead of telling them that they were alienating themselves from God's grace by showing up to hear him speak on a Sabbath. If what you say is true, Paul alienated himself from God's grace just by spending those Sabbaths in Pisidia.

 

[amigo de christo]

Jesus died to offer "salvation" of the Spirit.
If you can do that for yourself, then just keep on trying, mr Legalist.

However, If you ever figure out that you are not God's sacrifice on The Cross for your own sin, then on that day your 'faith comes by hearing"...then do this..

"the will of God is that you believe on Jesus, Whom God Sent".

And that means you will do this......= Jesus told you...."You must be born again".

Now, you can pretend that water does that for you, and you can continue to pretend that your good works, are what God accepts to accept you.
If that is True, as you believe and teach, then Tell that to Jesus on the Cross, as actually, im not interested in hearing your self saving Galatians 1:8 heresy.
Understand?
Am i clear?
And i'll tell you this again, if you need me to tell you again, Robert.

The WILL of GOD is that we believe on JESUS , Whom GOD did send . Might wanna tell that to pope francis .
He keeps implying that muslims , buddists and others are finding their own way to GOD .
And that is bad news . Very bad news . Terrible news for alll who believe that .
For their end will not be good . WE must stick to the original gospel not this all inclusive false love fest for unity stuff .
preach JESUS and all who do beleive will be saved and those who dont will be damned . Point only to Christ .

 

[Behold]

Gal. 5:1-2 clarifies what Paul spoke about when he referred to people falling from grace by trying to keep a law:

Here is the thing...

The law and the commandments are God breathed.
However, they become bondage to a born again believer if this person BELIEVES that these are necessary to keep so that they keep their salvation......(keep from losing it)

So, what happens is that a person is born again by God through Faith, in the finished work of Jesus on the Cross.
THEN.

One of 2 things happens.. = "fallen from Grace".

1.) They sin, and they fall into condemnation, not realizing that the Blood of God that saved them, keeps them saved..... So, now they think they lost their salvation and they turn to themselves to try to "be better" "do good"...and that becomes their self effort to try to stay saved.
= Fallen from Grace

2.) Paul said "who has bewitched you"....that means....who has led you to believe a LIE.....and the lie is...."you can lose your salvation", and once a person is led into this lie, they fall into bondage to #1.

They become a SELF SAVER.

"Here is what im doing to try to stay SAVED".. And they will have a list..... = Fallen from Grace.

 

[robert derrick]

The reason a person goes to heaven is because they are in Spiritual Union with Christ.
This is to be : Born again

Robert, being Born Again, is the only proof of Salvation, as it IS how Salvation is manifested to us.

Robert, being Born Again, is the only proof of Salvation, as it IS how Salvation is manifested to us.

Being born again is the beginning of being saved, and is when God is manifest within our hearts us to know Him and obey Him.

The proof of being born again and justified by God by doing works of His righteousness from the heart, which if we cease to do we fall from grace:

Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

Doing the will of God is proof of being born again, to love God in deed and in truth from.

Spiritual union means nothing, and is usually manifested by spiritual wickedness in high places: a bunch of foolish souls thinking and acting like something they are not.

Especially when they think they are 'detached' from their mortal bodies to sit in heavenly places, with no more responsibility for the deeds of their bodies.

Doing the works of God keeps the saints standing on firm ground with God, and among men.

No one is born again of the Spirit, until we obey the faith with the heart. Until then, the faith heard remains only between the ears of flesh: alone and dead not saving any soul that hears only.

 

[Behold]

Being born again is the beginning of being saved,

Being born again is proof that you are become a Son of God.

Following this Spiritual Birth, you begin your Discipleship.

Discipleship follows Salvation......it does not cause it, and it does not keep it.
It FOLLOWS IT..
It like this..

Lets say you joined the ARMY........you JOINED.......now, go and march, go and kill the enemy, go and wear the uniform.

Why? Because you are JOINED.........

Now, can you wear the uniform, kill the enemy, and march, and NOT be joined ?
Yes.

= That is exactly like.....being Water Baptized, but not being BORN AGAIN.
= That is exactly like......trying to do good works and keep the commandments, and not be BORN AGAIN.

This is to be RELIGIOUS but LOST.

 

[robert derrick]

What is : Falling from Grace.

It means a believer has Grace, which is God's provision for their salvation........they understand this correctly., which is REAL FAITH.

So, to FALL from Grace, is to lose correct Faith, and fall from this.....into......self saving.....(Legalism) ...which means that faith is no longer in Christ..
Its faith in these.. to try to keep yourself saved and to try to get yourself into heaven.

1. Works
2. Commandment keeping
3. Law keeping
4. Water Baptism
5. Catholic Church
6. Any Church - Denomination
7. Confessing sin
8. Daily Repentance

to try to keep yourself saved and to try to get yourself into heaven.

This is the ready made mantra for the unrighteous to falsely accuse them that do righteousness, even as He is righteous.

They also accuse those being righteous with God as claiming to be 'sinless' and proud.

They are not obeying the faith and doing the works of faith themselves, and yet still want to be believe they are justified with God, and so they must falsely accuse them doing the truth, in order to sear their own consciences from conviction of God for their sins.

It's as old and evil as Cain hating his brother Abel.

In the meantime all their teaching is scripture twisting childishness for continuing as the unrighteous on earth, except now with 'grace'.

They are hearers only who have yet to obey the word with the heart.

 

[robert derrick]

What is : Falling from Grace.

It means a believer has Grace, which is God's provision for their salvation........they understand this correctly., which is REAL FAITH.

So, to FALL from Grace, is to lose correct Faith, and fall from this.....into......self saving.....(Legalism) ...which means that faith is no longer in Christ..
Its faith in these.. to try to keep yourself saved and to try to get yourself into heaven.

1. Works
2. Commandment keeping
3. Law keeping
4. Water Baptism
5. Catholic Church
6. Any Church - Denomination
7. Confessing sin
8. Daily Repentance

It means a believer has Grace

Man doesn't have grace. Only God has grace. Grace is not the 'gift' of God that saves the soul. The gift of God to be saved by is His faith of Jesus, which saves no man, until we obey His faith in the heart.

Until then, the only faith we have is between the ears. We are not born of the word of faith, until we obey the faith.

All else is just hearing and talking and justifying ourselves for remaining unrighteous children of disobedience, but now 'with grace'.

Which is God's provision for their salvation.

Grace is God's help in time of need to endure and overcome temptation of the flesh: the saints don't 'deserve' the grace of God's help, but God gives His help to overcome sin for the sake of His Son's shed blood.

Man's grace is the hypocrisy of sinning with grace.

They have not known the grace of God to help obey Him in all things, because they've never sought it, because they've been taught they already have it to justify their sins, rather than to overcome their sins.

 

[robert derrick]

Being born again is proof that you are become a Son of God.

Following this Spiritual Birth, you begin your Discipleship.

It FOLLOWS IT..Discipleship follows Salvation......it does not cause it, and it does not keep it.
It like this..

Lets say you joined the ARMY........you JOINED.......now, go and march, go and kill the enemy, go and wear the uniform.

Why? Because you are JOINED.........

Now, can you wear the uniform, kill the enemy, and march, and NOT be joined ?
Yes.

= That is exactly like.....being Water Baptized, but not being BORN AGAIN.
= That is exactly like......trying to do good works and keep the commandments, and not be BORN AGAIN.

This is to be RELIGIOUS but LOST.

Being born again is proof that you are become a Son of God.

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name.

Being born of the Spirit is to receive power to becomes a son of God: to become obedient to God in all things, even as Jesus obeyed His Father all the days of His flesh.

The unrighteous trusting in grace only, think themselves to have eternally become a 'Son of God'.

It's the delusion of Adam and Eve who thought to become gods by doing both good and evil, and yet keeping right to the tree of life.

Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Discipleship follows Salvation......it does not cause it, and it does not keep it. It FOLLOWS IT.

The faith only unrighteous trust entirely upon false doctrines of man to justify themselves, which is why everything they say about salvation of God is scriptureless saying of carnal minds.

Being Jesus' disciple does not begin until we follow Him, which is only by obeying Him.

Hearers only have heard His call of the gospel, but have not yet obeyed His call with the heart:

But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

They only hear with the ears of flesh, but not with that of the heart to obey His word and follow Him.

The only 'discipleship' following faith only salvation is that of learning how to be a 'grace-filled' hypocrite in the faith, to call Him Lord without obedient works of the Lord.

Lets say you joined the ARMY........you JOINED.......now, go and march, go and kill the enemy, go and wear the uniform.

Once again, the unrighteous seeking to justify themselves by faith alone speak only of man's things: just scriptureless carnal minded ideologies.

By hearing the faith only, no man joins anything of God. Them that hear and obey Him join the army of God. Until we obey Him as a good soldier in Christ, He is not our Lord, not our Commander in Chief, not our Savior at all.

And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

No man can call Jesus Lord, until we are obeying Him as Lord.

Hearing only and not denying Him with the mouth, is no better than devils who know He is the Christ without works of obedience to Him.

Our confession of Jesus as Lord that saves, is by obeying Him as Lord with the heart: it is not hearing and talking with lips only.

In God's army and race, none have 'joined' therein, until we begin to obey Him with the heart: until we begin to fight the good fight and run the race lawfully.

We have not joined anything of God by faith, until we have joined with Him by obedience to the faith.

All the rest are bystanding hearers only: the faith they heard remains dead on the wayside of their carnal minds.

No man is justified with God by hearing only without works of obedience to His faith.

trying to do good works and keep the commandments, and not be BORN AGAIN. This is to be RELIGIOUS but LOST.

This is to be full of grace and still unsaved, by trying to do good works with lust still in the heart, because they have not obeyed the truth of the gospel to repent and purify their hearts and cleanse their hands of sins, that they may be good soldiers of Christ in deed and in truth:

But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

Grace only sinners are just as lost in their filthy sins of the world as any other, yet now with hypocrisy of continuing to do evil while thinking to do good 'with grace'.

 

[Robert Gwin]

There are two ways to fall from grace in Scripture, and both are by works without faith:

1. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

When Christians begin to seek perfection by the flesh only, and doing works without faith, or of another faith than that of Jesus, they are no more doing the righteousness of God, but that of man.

The example Scripture readily uses is that of circumcision of the flesh, which was the law of God by Moses, and is not the law of Christ. Therefore, being outwardly circumcised as by obedience to the law, is a work of our own righteousness without the faith of Jesus.

But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law.

It is the self-righteousness of them that do not seek to do the righteousness of God by His faith according to His law written in Scripture, but by their own faith and their own standard of righteousness, which are as filthy rags to God, that neither please Him nor are justified of Him.

Christians are free to do whatever they wish, aside from sins of transgression, but we are not free to make up law for all Christians to do, that is not plainly written in NT Scripture for us to read and obey.

Unjustified works of the law are therefore any works done as it were by law, and is no law of Christ found in Scripture.

Hence Christ and the faith of Jesus, is become of no more profit to them that obey works of another law, than that of the law of Christ. They are believing in another gospel that is cursed by works of a false law and obeyed by a decieved faith.

Would you define faith Rob?

 

[robert derrick]

Would you define faith Rob?

Sure. Here is the Cliffsnotes version:

There are two kinds of faith: faith that is heard, and faith that is obeyed.

All that hear of any faith have knowledge of that faith only, but only them that do that faith have it in their heart.

Hearers only have faith only between their ears of flesh, but doers have that faith sunk down into the ears of the heart:

Let these sayings sink down into your ears.

Hearers only that do not obey with the heart, are them having ears only, but doers are them having ears to hear.

Them with faith only by hearing, hear not what the Spirit saith to the churches, but doers of the faith hear and obey Him with the heart.

Faith only by hearing saves no man, but only the doers are justified with God.

There is no salvation by faith of hearing only, before and apart from obeying the faith with the heart.

Conclusion: there is the faith that saves, and there is the faith that does not save. There former is obeyed, and the latter is only heard.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

There are two ways to fall from grace in Scripture, and both are by works without faith:

1. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

When Christians begin to seek perfection by the flesh only, and doing works without faith, or of another faith than that of Jesus, they are no more doing the righteousness of God, but that of man.

The example Scripture readily uses is that of circumcision of the flesh, which was the law of God by Moses, and is not the law of Christ. Therefore, being outwardly circumcised as by obedience to the law, is a work of our own righteousness without the faith of Jesus.

But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law.

It is the self-righteousness of them that do not seek to do the righteousness of God by His faith according to His law written in Scripture, but by their own faith and their own standard of righteousness, which are as filthy rags to God, that neither please Him nor are justified of Him.

Christians are free to do whatever they wish, aside from sins of transgression, but we are not free to make up law for all Christians to do, that is not plainly written in NT Scripture for us to read and obey.

Unjustified works of the law are therefore any works done as it were by law, and is no law of Christ found in Scripture.

Hence Christ and the faith of Jesus, is become of no more profit to them that obey works of another law, than that of the law of Christ. They are believing in another gospel that is cursed by works of a false law and obeyed by a decieved faith.

And we must remember that those who trust the law are not saved! Believers can never fall from grace- Remember as it is written

4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

Proverbs 24:16
For a just man falleth seven times, and riseth up again: but the wicked shall fall into mischief.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Sure. Here is the Cliffsnotes version:

There are two kinds of faith: faith that is heard, and faith that is obeyed.

All that hear of any faith have knowledge of that faith only, but only them that do that faith have it in their heart.

Hearers only have faith only between their ears of flesh, but doers have that faith sunk down into the ears of the heart:

Let these sayings sink down into your ears.

Hearers only that do not obey with the heart, are them having ears only, but doers are them having ears to hear.

Them with faith only by hearing, hear not what the Spirit saith to the churches, but doers of the faith hear and obey Him with the heart.

Faith only by hearing saves no man, but only the doers are justified with God.

There is no salvation by faith of hearing only, before and apart from obeying the faith with the heart.

Conclusion: there is the faith that saves, and there is the faith that does not save. There former is obeyed, and the latter is only heard.

Couldn't have said it better myself Rob, great explanation sir, I fully agree.

 

[robert derrick]

And we must remember that those who trust the law are not saved! Believers can never fall from grace- Remember as it is written

4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

Proverbs 24:16
For a just man falleth seven times, and riseth up again: but the wicked shall fall into mischief.

And here come the usual suspects for hearing faith only.

And we must remember that those who trust the law are not saved!

And especially them that do not the law:

For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

I would much rather risk being judged as 'trusting in the law' too much while doing it, than trusting in faith only too much while not doing it.

So, if I had to be guilty of one, I choose being an overly righteous saint, that believes we can't go to heaven continuing in sins, than some hearer only hypocrite, whose only zeal is for demonizing doing His righteousness at all times.