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In Opinion: Ukraine's shame—an epidemic of human trafficking

Europe's most notorious sources of human trafficking.

Since 1991, more than 160,000 men, women and children have been exploited for labor, sex, forced begging and organ removal, according to a mid-2015 report from the International Organization for Migration (IOM).

then this
Putin Frees 35,000 Imprisoned Children in Ukraine - Real Raw News

Now Newsweek confirmed this in 2016, and I dont think much has changed, maybe gotten worse. I have no reason to doubt either story.
 
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In Opinion: Ukraine's shame—an epidemic of human trafficking

Europe's most notorious sources of human trafficking.

Since 1991, more than 160,000 men, women and children have been exploited for labor, sex, forced begging and organ removal, according to a mid-2015 report from the International Organization for Migration (IOM).

then this
Putin Frees 35,000 Imprisoned Children in Ukraine - Real Raw News

Now Newsweek confirmed this in 2016, and I dont think much has changed, maybe gotten worse. I have no reason to doubt either story.


Well that 2015 report is not reachable so it cannot be studied.

but the RRN report? I call fake news to the max!

PUtin calls Trump? an ex-president???
Putin makes no national announcements?
The entire media of the world except RRN finds out abou tthis?

IN 5 days how did they know the names were fake in that "dusty ledger" How could they process the ledger in so short a time? How did RRN get the information anyhow??? what channels do they have that the rest of the world doesn't have?

." But when Russian Special Forces, or Spetznas, accidentally stumbled upon a pedophile encampment in central Ukraine and learned hundreds of such facilities dotted the Ukrainian landscape, Putin championed a new cause: Crushing every “filth and scum” pedophile and razing every infernal child trafficking ring infesting the “Godless country.”"

Russian forces never have made it to central ukraine!

Hundreds of such encampments??? And nobody in Ukraine was moral enough to know who lived nearby and say nothing? C'mon man you can't be that gullible! One or two places? Sure that is a real probability! But hundreds? 35,000 children?

Putin calls a powerless ex-president and He has a full report on Tuesday? If this started with Russia, it has all the stink of Maskivaroka. If not, then it is fake news from an apparently embittered soul.

It simply has too much data and implication to go from 4/2 to 4/5 as a full report and no one in the world picked it up!
 
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Ukraine Should Do More to Combat Human Trafficking - Atlantic Council

I think stuff they dont want to promote gets scrubbed from the net, if they can do it, and for fringe sites, they may not bother.

Sorry, I have no doubt some of what Russia is saying about this is correct. That does not goes against the evidence. Of course is the same thing worse in the US?
 

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In Opinion: Ukraine's shame—an epidemic of human trafficking

Europe's most notorious sources of human trafficking.

Since 1991, more than 160,000 men, women and children have been exploited for labor, sex, forced begging and organ removal, according to a mid-2015 report from the International Organization for Migration (IOM).

then this
Putin Frees 35,000 Imprisoned Children in Ukraine - Real Raw News

Now Newsweek confirmed this in 2016, and I dont think much has changed, maybe gotten worse. I have no reason to doubt either story.


Well it seems that as Ukraine advanced a s an independent nation, they were seeking to take steps to end this brutality but the constant Russian backed rebellions and little things like the invasion of the crimea forced the government to slow it.

And I am sure that how big this trafficking was going on while the old soviet empire was still intact. Thins like this just don't spring up in a matter of weeks or months.
 

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Ukraine Should Do More to Combat Human Trafficking - Atlantic Council

I think stuff they dont want to promote gets scrubbed from the net, if they can do it, and for fringe sites, they may not bother.

Sorry, I have no doubt some of what Russia is saying about this is correct. That does not goes against the evidence. Of course is the same thing worse in the US?


Well as we cannot access that 2015 report all we have is these people saying so. And something this serious requires more than say so.

No doubt there is some partial truth to this, but given that report is a russion source makes it also highly suspect. And it seems Ukraine did not scrub too well. You found info and I bet you didn't spend months looking for it.
 
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They scrub the internet, just like Hillary wiped her email server....
Then she says, like with a towel?

Hillary Clinton on wiping email server: 'Like with a cloth or something?' - Washington Times

all the while of course feigning ignorance


But the act was discovered and widely reported. Even the leftist media in America reported on it! After years and years of watching the media polarize, just like the nation, I have come to realize eventually the truth gets out in the MSM. They know they are fading and need to keep relavent if they want to stay in business. Also there are still many honest people in journalism to keep stories buried for long.

Remember this simple fact:

People are moving away from teh MSM because of fake news and extreme slants on stories. Well alternative media preys on people because som eof these snake oil salesmen exploit peoples mistrust to boost themselves.

Until we can see this 2015 report which seems to be the seed for all these other stories, it is highly suspicious. And Zelensky is still innocent until proven guilty- unless people wish to trash our system of justice.

He was not a politician but a media person. I am sure He di dnot have access to much info on this until after he took office. How much He knew and if he ignored it is all unknown. Zewlensky was a 180 change in Ukraine politics. He is Jewish so the Nazi stuff is fake, He has devoted and done much good in Ukraine considering their mentality of Russian style government ( you just don't change world view overnight)
 
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But the act was discovered and widely reported. Even the leftist media in America reported on it! After years and years of watching the media polarize, just like the nation, I have come to realize eventually the truth gets out in the MSM. They know they are fading and need to keep relavent if they want to stay in business. Also there are still many honest people in journalism to keep stories buried for long.

Remember this simple fact:

People are moving away from teh MSM because of fake news and extreme slants on stories. Well alternative media preys on people because som eof these snake oil salesmen exploit peoples mistrust to boost themselves.

Until we can see this 2015 report which seems to be the seed for all these other stories, it is highly suspicious. And Zelensky is still innocent until proven guilty- unless people wish to trash our system of justice.

He was not a politician but a media person. I am sure He di dnot have access to much info on this until after he took office. How much He knew and if he ignored it is all unknown. Zewlensky was a 180 change in Ukraine politics. He is Jewish so the Nazi stuff is fake, He has devoted and done much good in Ukraine considering their mentality of Russian style government ( you just don't change world view overnight)

Zelenski is just another one of the bad guys.
He wants to drag all the western nations into a war with Russia, and that might just be a nuclear war.
Rather than having agreed to not join NATO, he has been pushing for that for years, knowing Russia would consider that a threat to them and maybe bring about war. None of that is good, he wants to be one of the rulers in the NWO based supposedly in Europe which also might just be the Beast's one world government home base.
REVEALED: Zelensky Was Offered a Peace Deal to Prevent War, But Rejected It

REVEALED: Zelensky Was Offered a Peace Deal to Prevent War, But Rejected It
This may end up being one of the most extraordinary revelations of this entire conflict so far.

One of the main grievances Russia had with Ukraine was the fact that it was being groomed for NATO membership – a national security risk which Moscow deemed as completely unacceptable.

Yesterday, the Wall Street Journal revealed how German chancellor Olaf Scholz had offered Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky a peace deal only days before Russia launched its “Special Military Operations” in Ukraine on February 24th. But Zelensky turned down the deal – claiming that Putin couldn’t be trusted to keep his promises.

It turns out that Scholz was in the process of brokering a deal and told Zelensky during his visit to the Munich Security Conference on February 19th, “that Ukraine should renounce its NATO aspirations and declare neutrality as part of a wider European security deal between the West and Russia,” and that “the pact would be signed by Mr. Putin and Mr. Biden, who would jointly guarantee Ukraine’s security.”

Incredibly, Zelensky rejected the offer to make a concession by declaring NATO neutrality, and thus avoid a war with Russia, and claimed that, “Putin couldn’t be trusted to uphold such an agreement and that most Ukrainians wanted to join NATO.”

This revelation really exposes two key points.

Firstly, that as a head of state, Zelensky is either grossly incompetent or completely reckless to needlessly place his country on the path to war with its neighbour.

Secondly, it indicates the level of control that Washington has over his government, as he is being advised at every step of the way by the US State Department and CIA. It’s no secret that the US and UK have been egging-on Kiev to fight NATO’s war with Russia on their behalf – even if that means placing Kiev into an unwinnable position where it may end up having its armed forces completely destroyed, and Ukraine losing even more territory than it already has.

Maybe Zelensky could have defused tensions 6 months ago by disavowing NATO aspirations and declaring Ukraine a neutral state. Such a declaration would certainly be welcome by Russia today, but in light of the West’s continued proxy war against Moscow, and the US and UK-led campaign to ‘cancel’ Russia from the global economic and financial system, as well as media, culture and sport, then it’s safe to say things have moved on considerably from this being just a NATO issue.

All of this makes Zelensky more a liability than an asset for the future of Ukraine.
 
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Zelenski is just another one of the bad guys.
He wants to drag all the western nations into a war with Russia, and that might just be a nuclear war.
Rather than having agreed to not join NATO, he has been pushing for that for years, knowing Russia would consider that a threat to them and maybe bring about war. None of that is good, he wants to be one of the rulers in the NWO based supposedly in Europe which also might just be the Beast's one world government home base.
REVEALED: Zelensky Was Offered a Peace Deal to Prevent War, But Rejected It

As a leader who has seen part of His nation invaded and annexed by PUtin and another section arming the separatists in the land with advanced weaponry, and Putins declarations that Ukraine is not a real nation but a part of historic Russia- I would not trust him either.

I understand Putins paranoia. But NATO never invaded and occupied nations to force them in their sphere of power like Russia did- Putin thinks of NATO the way He gets power.

And No leader has a right to force another nation on their choice of who they wish to associate with, much less invade them and bomb their land to ruin.

Remember all this mistrust cam about by the Soviet Union invading and capturing nations and then keeping them behind a wall! Putin is a product of that mindset and has not changed. Maybe tactics, but not philosophy.

Incredibly, Zelensky rejected the offer to make a concession by declaring NATO neutrality, and thus avoid a war with Russia, and claimed that, “Putin couldn’t be trusted to uphold such an agreement and that most Ukrainians wanted to join NATO.”

good, bad or indifferent, most of the western world doesn't Trust Putin to keep his word, with real good cause and empirical evidence.


Secondly, it indicates the level of control that Washington has over his government, as he is being advised at every step of the way by the US State Department and CIA. It’s no secret that the US and UK have been egging-on Kiev to fight NATO’s war with Russia on their behalf – even if that means placing Kiev into an unwinnable position where it may end up having its armed forces completely destroyed, and Ukraine losing even more territory than it already has.

Wash. has influence, but not that much! If it is no secret- can you please cite me empirical evidence of that allegation? That is an enormous charge so I assume you have the evidence to back it up.

Maybe Zelensky could have defused tensions 6 months ago by disavowing NATO aspirations and declaring Ukraine a neutral state. Such a declaration would certainly be welcome by Russia today, but in light of the West’s continued proxy war against Moscow, and the US and UK-led campaign to ‘cancel’ Russia from the global economic and financial system, as well as media, culture and sport, then it’s safe to say things have moved on considerably from this being just a NATO issue.

All of this makes Zelensky more a liability than an asset for the future of Ukraine.

And yet his popularity among the people is in the stratosphere!
If a neighboring country that is ten time larger militarily to me invaded and annexed part of my nation, then armed rebels in part of my country with all sorts of regular and advanced weaponry to bomb my nation, I would want an alliance to protect me from them! Especially when that ruler who invaded my land and people and publicly said my nation is really part of his.

there are ways to solve thse problems other than invading a nation, killing thousands of civilians and destroying most of the infrastructure in the areas it invaded.
 

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Firstly, that as a head of state, Zelensky is either grossly incompetent or completely reckless to needlessly place his country on the path to war with its neighbour.

So I suppose you believe that FDR was grossly incompetent or completely reckless by givng Britain so much material goods, and halting oil shipments and goods shipments to Japan which placed us on a dangerous path.

You need to remember that after teh major allied heads carved up Europe at teh Yalta conference, the west had its sphere of influence and Russia had its.

Russia embarked on a series of invading and conquering the old soviet bloc nations. The west did not. We had the MArshall Plan and went deep into debt rebuilding war torn Europe.

Russia built a wall to keep people in and killing those who tried to escape- The west for all its evils did not do that!
 

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Scott:

something else for you to ponder. If Putin is so paranoid about NATO being on his border, then why is he not pulling out what is left of his hair because of Poland, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia????
 

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Scott:

something else for you to ponder. If Putin is so paranoid about NATO being on his border, then why is he not pulling out what is left of his hair because of Poland, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia????
I have thought about that, and Ukraine was just the last straw is how I view it, perhaps the last chance Russia had of limiting NATO and keeping a buffer.
you do realize NATO is an enemy of Russia? And always has been.
Russia has also warned Sweden and Finland to not join NATO.
I view you as a war monger by the way, rather than a peace maker.
Like Christ said
Matthew 5:9
Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of God.
 
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Zelenski could have had peace and rejected that, choosing instead war.
Zelenski is not a peacemaker, he is a self seeking adventurer, no different than any other tyrant, he is just cloaked in 'goodness' cause the western powers also are using Ukraine as a proxy in their continual war with Russia.
Russia and China both are a threat to their globalist agenda.
 
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I have thought about that, and Ukraine was just the last straw is how I view it, perhaps the last chance Russia had of limiting NATO and keeping a buffer.
you do realize NATO is an enemy of Russia? And always has been.
Russia has also warned Sweden and Finland to not join NATO.
I view you as a war monger by the way, rather than a peace maker.
Like Christ said
Matthew 5:9
Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of God.


and why is NATO an enemy of Russia? It is because of the fact Russia is still a MArxist-Socialistic nation and has never disavowed its Marxist aims of global domination. NATO became an enemy when it formed to protect the west from the conquests Russi was doing in the east of Europe!

And who does Putin think He is to order Sweden and Finland to not join NATO?????????

YOu can view me anyway you wish, I know I am not a warmonger. I believe war for a nation is the very last thing it should do as a course of action. But I also believe that if a nation is compelled to unleash the dogs of war, they should do so, so fiercely as to bring their enemy to the table as quick as possible.

Armies are designed to kill people and break things. Period! If I was a nations leader and wqas forced into war- I would order my army to kill as many people and break as many things necessary to bring the invader to his knees and seek peace.

Putin did not have to invade Ukraine! Period! through HIs state controlled media he has threatened nuclear war with the west if they continue arming th eUkrainian forces defending their countries sovereingty against an invader.

YOu may trust Russia more than you trust AMerica- that is yor privilege and I would defend your choice! I disagree, I was an ardent student of History since the treaty of versailles to the present and I am sorry, Putin is just like th eiold soviet henchmen, just with a more pleasant smile and looser control over every facet of soviet life.
 
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Sorry, I have no doubt some of what Russia is saying about this is correct. That does not goes against the evidence. Of course is the same thing worse in the US?
It's claimed that "Russia" said this, but it's really only hearsay, without substantiation.

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It's claimed that "Russia" said this, but it's really only hearsay, without substantiation.

Much love!
As is just about everything on this forum, hearsay.
Neither you or I were there to hear it.
 

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Putin did not have to invade Ukraine! Period! through HIs state controlled media he has threatened nuclear war with the west if they continue arming th eUkrainian forces defending their countries sovereingty against an invader.
Yeah, what I'm reading here is like saying, Ukraine, I'm going to have to smash your face, and it's your fault, since you didn't open your locks, and tear down your fence, and leave your windows open, with me, next door, me, who is known for smashing into people's homes to steal their things and kill their people . . .

I don't buy it for a moment!

Much love!
 

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Where are they?

Much love!
Don't have any idea...
Here is another trafficking story, very recent.
Ukrainians are very much prey to sex traffickers around the world
Maybe people like US reputable news site such as these ones much better.
And the story aligns with my first several posts too.
'Pimps' are stalking Poland's railway stations and border crossings targeting vulnerable women and children refugees fleeing Ukraine, charity groups warn


'Pimps' are stalking Poland's railway stations and border crossings targeting vulnerable women and children refugees fleeing Ukraine, charity groups warn

Women and children fleeing Ukraine are being preyed upon by traffickers in neighboring countries, charity groups have warned.

Karolina Wierzbińska, a coordinator at Homo Faber, a human rights organization based in Lublin, Poland, told The Guardian that charity workers had witnessed refugees being targeted as they arrived in the country.

"We've registered the first cases of [suspected] pimps preying on Ukrainian women near refugee shelter points in Lublin; accosting them, sometimes aggressively, under the guise of offering transport, work or accommodation," Wierzbińska told The Guardian.

Teams of predators were seen "pretending to offer rides or lodging to women distressed and exhausted from their journey," Wierzbińska told the paper.

AND this here, children going missing, they are being stolen and used for human sex trafficking
Children going missing amid chaos at Ukrainian border, aid groups report

Children are going missing and cases of human trafficking are being reported by aid groups and volunteers along Ukraine’s borders amid the chaos of the refugee crisis triggered by the Russian invasion.

Charities and rights groups working in neighbouring countries to receive refugees said they had seen cases of trafficking, missing children, extortion and exploitation as more than 2.5 million people crossed into neighbouring countries to escape the escalating violence.

Karolina Wierzbińska a coordinator from Homo Faber, a human rights organisation based in Lublin, Poland, said the charity had seen cases of children being sent alone by desperate parents to meet relatives or friends across the Ukrainian border and arriving without anyone to meet them.

SO YEAH, when I read stories about children and women sex trafficking regarding Ukrainians, I tend to believe them! Unless proven otherwise.
The stories fit the evidence of the depravity.
 
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AND this here, children going missing, they are being stolen and used for human sex trafficking
That's anywhere this kind of border surge happens. These people become very vulnerable, separated from their families, disappeared into chaotic scenes, with no law enforcement support. Just look at the reports from our southern border as the drug cartels control the crossings. Rampant sexual assaults, human trafficking, drug smuggling, extortion and murders, every crime they want to get away with.

That's a border situation exploited by seasoned criminals. God help us, it's happening there, it's happening here, it's happening in Europe, so many places!

Much love!