Aurelius Augustinus Hipponensis - The Father of 'Eternal Damnationism' ?

[Alley Oop]

In over 30 years of studying Universalism and Eternal Damnationism, I cannot find anyone before Augustine pushing Eternal Damnation.
This is just one link I found helpful -
Eternal Punishment in Augustine’s The City of God

If anyone can pre-date Augustine, post your source.

 

[L.A.M.B.]

Regarding eternal damnation
Mark 3:29
King James bible.

This source is God's word and is full of receiving eternal torment for those who reject God and blasphemy the Holy Spirit.

We DO NOT NEED MAN'S OPION NOR COMMENTARY.
God was from the foundation of the world as the Ancient of Days, he supersedes your source!

 

[Alley Oop]

Regarding eternal damnation
Mark 3:29
King James bible.

This source is God's word and is full of receiving eternal torment for those who reject God and blasphemy the Holy Spirit.

We DO NOT NEED MAN'S OPION NOR COMMENTARY.
God was from the foundation of the world as the Ancient of Days, he supersedes your source!

Bible translations have been intentionally mistranslated by the demonic religious establishment, not to mention the carnal-minded interpretations.
Next . .

 

[L.A.M.B.]

Bible translations have been intentionally mistranslated by the demonic religious establishment, not to mention the carnal-minded interpretations.
Next . .

Oh dear one I WILL NOT BE SO DISMISSED!



But God has NOT !
Regardless of what we are TOLD or what we THINK,
God IS..................
He never changes and does not fail. He makes his desires,commandments and his TRUTH known to those who seek and believe!

Were a person NEVER to read any translation God can prick the heart with conviction and judgment,helping said one to seek him!

 

[Alley Oop]

Oh dear one I WILL NOT BE SO DISMISSED!



But God has NOT !
Regardless of what we are TOLD or what we THINK,
God IS..................
He never changes and does not fail. He makes his desires,commandments and his TRUTH known to those who seek and believe!

Were a person NEVER to read any translation God can prick the heart with conviction and judgment,helping said one to seek him!

you're in a vacuum with no context.
the context of the bible is the Abrahamic Covenant which is the fulfillment of the Restoration of ALL THINGS, spoken by ALL THE PROPHETS since the AGES began - Acts 3:19-25.

ALL THE PROPHETS

 

[L.A.M.B.]

you're in a vacuum with no context.
the context of the bible is the Abrahamic Covenant which is the fulfillment of the Restoration of ALL THINGS, spoken by ALL THE PROPHETS since the AGES began - Acts 3:19-25.

ALL THE PROPHETS

You may carry on as you CHOOSE,as for me I will follow God,the Father, God the Son, Jesus, and God the Holy Spirit where he LEADS ME!

NOW WE ARE DONE!

 

[Alley Oop]

You may carry on as you CHOOSE,as for me I will follow God,the Father, God the Son, Jesus, and God the Holy Spirit where he LEADS ME!

NOW WE ARE DONE!

I'm done when I'm done, not when some decaying cipher says so . .
He that keeps my sayings shall never see death - John 8:51

Let's see if you are led to Life or the Morgue.
I'll bet the morgue.

 

[L.A.M.B.]

Final before blocking.
You have a despicable attitude and now you are DEAD TO ME!

 

[Pearl]

Final before blocking.
You have a despicable attitude and now you are DEAD TO ME!

Despicable attitude indeed considering it is supposed to be a Christian forum.

 

[Alley Oop]

Despicable attitude indeed considering it is supposed to be a Christian forum.

so you both can't handle hard-core talk on matters of life and death.
keeping it superficial is the way of the DEAD.
Shallow Calleth Unto Shallow

 

[Pearl]

so you both can't handle hard-core talk on matters of life and death.
keeping it superficial is the way of the DEAD.
Shallow Calleth Unto Shallow

OOPS! Another one bites the dust!

 

[Alley Oop]

OOPS! Another one bites the dust!

the thoughtless announcing their thoughtlessness -
imagine that
more ad hominem, because they can't handle the fire of truth -

That' Entertainment!

 

[amigo de christo]

Oh dear one I WILL NOT BE SO DISMISSED!



But God has NOT !
Regardless of what we are TOLD or what we THINK,
God IS..................
He never changes and does not fail. He makes his desires,commandments and his TRUTH known to those who seek and believe!

Were a person NEVER to read any translation God can prick the heart with conviction and judgment,helping said one to seek him!

Its rather odd how they said all the bible translations are tainted by men , YET they use a man to establish a bad doctrine .
I say we stick in that bible . Many do this . They come on trying to attack the scripture
yet they quoate from men as though their words are now GODS WORDS .
Did you catch that . She is using a later source all right . YET JESUS HIMSELF
says very clearly that there is such a place of eternal torment . And yet had folks truly come to Christ
what a wonderful ending awaits them . Let us simply stay glued to the original biblical doctrine .
FROM that we test all others who speak and teach .

 

[amigo de christo]

In over 30 years of studying Universalism and Eternal Damnationism, I cannot find anyone before Augustine pushing Eternal Damnation.
This is just one link I found helpful -
Eternal Punishment in Augustine’s The City of God

If anyone can pre-date Augustine, post your source.

Ps , i would not heed augustine . Even if he had some things right , HE had some serious things wrong as well .
But there is indeed a place of eternal destruction . A place for all who denied Christ .
As for the lambs . Our END IS REAL REAL GOOD . FAR BETTER than this place . FAR BETTER .

 

[amigo de christo]

In over 30 years of studying Universalism and Eternal Damnationism, I cannot find anyone before Augustine pushing Eternal Damnation.
This is just one link I found helpful -
Eternal Punishment in Augustine’s The City of God

If anyone can pre-date Augustine, post your source.

Open the bible and read the gosples . JESUS didnt preach universalism . He spoke of a harsh place
for those who denied HIM . I mean even worse of a judgment that for SODOM , awaits those who deny Christ .
And Sodom got destroyed . IF one could die physcially under the law by two or three witnesses ,
HOW MUCH SORER punishment awaits those who TROD the SON of man UNDER FOOT .
Yeah . I say we better get in that bible very fast . And dont follow augustine either . Even if he had some things right .
He was off on some serious stuff .

 

[amigo de christo]

In over 30 years of studying Universalism and Eternal Damnationism, I cannot find anyone before Augustine pushing Eternal Damnation.
This is just one link I found helpful -
Eternal Punishment in Augustine’s The City of God

If anyone can pre-date Augustine, post your source.

I post the only book i can trust in . THE BIBLE . Go and learn it well . For it does speak of such a place .
TRUTH is read revelation before one decides to omit that place .
cause Christ warns if any man adds to or takes from the teachings of the prophecy of this book ,
WELL lets just say they gonna burn in the very place they said did not exist .
AND i sure dont want that for you or anyone . Let us simplyreturn to the ORIGNAL SOURCE
The kjv bible is very good . I suggest you start there and learn and embrace everything Christ taught
and later the apostels taught , embrace it all . Learn it well .

 

[Alley Oop]

Its rather odd how they said all the bible translations are tainted by men , YET they use a man to establish a bad doctrine .
I say we stick in that bible . Many do this . They come on trying to attack the scripture
yet they quoate from men as though their words are now GODS WORDS .
Did you catch that . She is using a later source all right . YET JESUS HIMSELF
says very clearly that there is such a place of eternal torment . And yet had folks truly come to Christ
what a wonderful ending awaits them . Let us simply stay glued to the original biblical doctrine .
FROM that we test all others who speak and teach .

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i love the kjv, the bad translations are so easy to find, especially when using an interlinear along with it
and yet those like yourself refuse to look at the greek word "aionious" which does not mean 'eternal', and yet is translated as such. wrong.
imagine that

 

[amigo de christo]

and yet those like yourself refuse to look at the greek word "aionious" which does not mean 'eternal', and yet is translated as such. wrong.
imagine that

It seems like we keep getting all these definitoins of greek these days . I Seem to notice one thing ,
IT always seems to justify an agenda . I say simply learn the bible .
Far too many have crept into christanity to destroy it from within .
To bring us to an idea so false . TO get us to believe that all religoins will see GOD
that all will be saved . What a lie it is . But they crept within our churches a very , very long time ago .
TO change it from within . THEY knew better than to attack the bible
so , they went about to make changes TO IT , or make claims about this greek word or that greek word .
Not even their greek agrees . But one thing i do notice , no matter who is selling what
their greek always will twist the truth to FIT THEIR OWN teaching , their own agenda .
My advice , simply read that bible . Its simple enough .

 

[Alley Oop]

It seems like we keep getting all these definitoins of greek these days . I Seem to notice one thing ,
IT always seems to justify an agenda . I say simply learn the bible .
Far too many have crept into christanity to destroy it from within .
To bring us to an idea so false . TO get us to believe that all religoins will see GOD
that all will be saved . What a lie it is . But they crept within our churches a very , very long time ago .
TO change it from within . THEY knew better than to attack the bible
so , they went about to make changes TO IT , or make claims about this greek word or that greek word .
Not even their greek agrees . But one thing i do notice , no matter who is selling what
their greek always will twist the truth to FIT THEIR OWN teaching , their own agenda .
My advice , simply read that bible . Its simple enough .

don't like Aionious, eh ?
no Damnationist does

 

[amigo de christo]

And they all have this in common too . THEY all try and make it seem as either we cant understand the bible on our own
OR that the bible is erronous and not trustworthy . AND YET they claim their men KNOW THE BIG ANSWER TO IT ALL NOW .
Right . I had rather jump off a high cliff into a lake of gasoline with a piper dandy cigar , than to heed todays men who teach
contrary and have agendas .