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Continued :

More evidence from Scripture that Jesus is life, the source of that life and eternal life itself. Apart from Him there is no life. This cannot be said of a mere man now can it ?

John 1:4
4 In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men.

John 5:39-40
39 You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about Me, 40 yet you refuse to come to Me to have life.

John 6:33
For the bread of God is He which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.

John 6:35
35 And Jesus said unto them, I Am the bread of life:

John 6:47
47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on Me hath everlasting life.

John 6:51
51 I Am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

John 6:53
53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

John 6:63
63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

John 10:10
10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.

John 11:25-26
25 Jesus said to her, "I Am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies, 26 and everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?"

John 14:6
6 Jesus said to him, "I Am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.

John 20:30-31
30 Therefore many other signs Jesus also performed in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; 31 but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name.

1 John 1:1-2
1 What was from the beginning, what we have heard, what we have seen with our eyes, what we have looked at and touched with our hands, concerning the Word of Life — 2 and the life was manifested, and we have seen and testify and proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and was manifested to us

1 John 5:12-13
12 He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life. 13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.

1 John 5:20
20 We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in Him who is true — even in His Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.



And Jesus said no one knows the Father but through the Son. They are One in nature,essence or being. You cannot have One without the Other. This can be said of no man unless that man is also God in the flesh which Jesus is indeed !

John 5:23
so that all will honor the Son even as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.

John 6:45-51
Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father, comes to Me. 46 "Not that anyone has seen the Father, except the One who is from God; He has seen the Father. 47 "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life. 48 "I am the bread of life. 49 "Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. 50 "This is the bread which comes down out of heaven, so that one may eat of it and not die. 51 "I am the living bread that came down out of heaven; if anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread also which I will give for the life of the world is My flesh."

John 10:14-16
4 "I am the good shepherd, and I know My own and My own know Me, 15 even as the Father knows Me and I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep. 16 "I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd.

John 10:25-30
"I told you, and you do not believe; the works that I do in My Father's name, these testify of Me. 26 "But you do not believe because you are not of My sheep. 27 "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; 28 and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. 29 "My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. 30 "I and the Father are one."

John 10:38-39
38 but if I do them, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, so that you may know and understand that the Father is in Me, and I in the Father." 39 Therefore they were seeking again to seize Him, and He eluded their grasp.

John 14:6
"I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.

John 14:9
"Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?

John 16:15
"All things that the Father has are Mine; therefore I said that He takes of Mine and will disclose it to you



And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life."


We can see from other passages from the same author the Apostle John that Jesus is called the eternal life. In 1st John 1 Jesus is called "the word of life", "the life" and "the eternal life which was with the Father" (verse 2). Jesus is life itself John 1:4 and He said the following "I am the way, the truth and the life!" He also said whoever believes in Him shall have eternal life (John 3:15). So we can see that Jesus by definition in I John 1:2 is "the eternal life", and in 1 John 5:20 is called "The true God and Eternal Life".

Jesus is the true vine (John 15:1)
Jesus is also the true light (John 1:9)
Jesus is faithful and true (Revelation 19:11)
Jesus is the faithful and true witness (Revelation 3:14)
Jesus is the truth (John 14:6)
Jesus is the true witness (John 18:37)
Jesus is He who is holy, He who is true(Revelation 3:7)

So I John 5:20 teaches us clearly that we are in the Son, Jesus Christ, and that He is the True One, even "the true God and Eternal Life".

It's time you repent and confess Jesus is the true God and Eternal life, for without such confession one is left in their sin(John 8:24) You must believe Jesus is the great I Am.

Hope this helps !!!

Pay attention to what I said in the OP.. you are trying to prove that Jesus is God himself, as I had actually said you would do because you cannot find a single piece of scripture that says it is possible for God to lie...
 

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Pay attention to scripture not your false assumptions. My posts are for the lurkers and seekers of truth . Since you reject the truth about Christ it’s falling upon deaf ears . I noticed you ran away from all the scriptures that contradict your beliefs .

hope this helps !!!
 
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Pay attention to scripture not your false assumptions. My posts are for the lurkers and seekers of truth . Since you reject the truth about Christ it’s falling upon deaf ears . I noticed you ran away from all the scriptures that contradict your beliefs .

hope this helps !!!
Again.. the question is not about if Jesus is God... pay attention to the question...

Whose will did God Himself come down from heaven to do, if not his own???

What part of that question shouts out that Jesus is not God???.... I already know that you believe that he is God... hence the question....

Focus please... Show me any scripture that says that it is possible for God to lie....

I use to teach the Trinity many years ago... so there is absolutely no scripture you can give me that supports your False doctrine without making God or Jesus out to be liars...
 

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Satan will always explain How Jesus could be God but never explain how it is possible for either to lie..
They will quote Scripture after scripture about Jesus being God but not one Scripture that shows how it is possible for God to lie...

Hebrews 6:18 That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:

It is impossible for God to lie.

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

It is impossible for God or Jesus to lie.

I have shown mine, now show me yours that says that it is possible for God to lie.
Anything else is deflection and lies...

So whose will did God Himself come down from heaven to do, if not his own?

John 6:38 For I have come down from heaven not to do mine own will but the will of him that sent me."

If you claim that Jesus is God Himself then Jesus only has one will and that is his own will...

If you claim that it was his human will he did not do then you are calling Jesus himself a liar because he said he did not come to do his own will.

If you utilize "God the Son" you are calling Jesus God Himself and Calling God Himself a liar...

Show me one piece of scripture that says that it is possible Jesus or God Himself to lie....

Lord Jesus Himself declared Himself to be GOD, more than once, AS WRITTEN IN THE NEW TESTAMENT. But so does The Old Testament declare it also!

Isa 9:6-7
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.


7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
KJV


So just who is this rep of Baal in the original post above? Don't listen to such a person brethren in Christ Jesus.
 
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Lord Jesus Himself declared Himself to be GOD, more than once, AS WRITTEN IN THE NEW TESTAMENT. But so does The Old Testament declare it also!

Isa 9:6-7
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.


7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
KJV


So just who is this rep of Baal in the original post above? Don't listen to such a person brethren in Christ Jesus.
so it is possible for God to lie then???
I mean.. Jon 6:38 says that God came down from heaven not to do his own will... yet you claim he did... so is the Bible wrong or are you wrong??? seriously stop making God out to be a liar...
 

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How to expose a false Prophet and get Satan to show Himself.
Hmmmm, one third of sinless angels got snowed and your gonna crack the code.....good luck with that!
 

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you don't think that's a tad presumptuous?
not in the least.. the fact that not one person has actually understood what was said and they are vengeful and hateful... If they had actually read scripture they would know that it is love that God requires not hate...
 

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not in the least.. the fact that not one person has actually understood what was said and they are vengeful and hateful... If they had actually read scripture they would know that it is love that God requires not hate...
You've lost me. How does your reply here relate to my initial comment?
 

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Yes the OP is a false teacher and all his / her arguments are no thing but fallacious strawmans. A false prophet / teacher , the very spirit of antichrist as per 1 John 4:2-3, 2 John 1:7- denying God has come and remains in the flesh .

hope this helps !!!
 

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not in the least.. the fact that not one person has actually understood what was said and they are vengeful and hateful... If they had actually read scripture they would know that it is love that God requires not hate...
and you do not understand anything in the bible .

oops

next

hope this helps !!!
 

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Satan will always explain How Jesus could be God but never explain how it is possible for either to lie..
They will quote Scripture after scripture about Jesus being God but not one Scripture that shows how it is possible for God to lie...

Hebrews 6:18 That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:

It is impossible for God to lie.

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

It is impossible for God or Jesus to lie.

I have shown mine, now show me yours that says that it is possible for God to lie.
Anything else is deflection and lies...

So whose will did God Himself come down from heaven to do, if not his own?

John 6:38 For I have come down from heaven not to do mine own will but the will of him that sent me."

If you claim that Jesus is God Himself then Jesus only has one will and that is his own will...

If you claim that it was his human will he did not do then you are calling Jesus himself a liar because he said he did not come to do his own will.

If you utilize "God the Son" you are calling Jesus God Himself and Calling God Himself a liar...

Show me one piece of scripture that says that it is possible Jesus or God Himself to lie....

The Greatest mystery is the Trinity, one being yet three separate beings.

The father sent himself yet it is his son.
The son does the will of the father yet is the father
The holy spirit communicates the fathers love and will yet is that father.

The question of Satan lieing and saying God lied? My answer is by fruit you will know him.


Al
 

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Satan will always explain How Jesus could be God but never explain how it is possible for either to lie..
They will quote Scripture after scripture about Jesus being God but not one Scripture that shows how it is possible for God to lie...

Hebrews 6:18 That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:

It is impossible for God to lie.

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

It is impossible for God or Jesus to lie.

I have shown mine, now show me yours that says that it is possible for God to lie.
Anything else is deflection and lies...

So whose will did God Himself come down from heaven to do, if not his own?

John 6:38 For I have come down from heaven not to do mine own will but the will of him that sent me."

If you claim that Jesus is God Himself then Jesus only has one will and that is his own will...

If you claim that it was his human will he did not do then you are calling Jesus himself a liar because he said he did not come to do his own will.

If you utilize "God the Son" you are calling Jesus God Himself and Calling God Himself a liar...

Show me one piece of scripture that says that it is possible Jesus or God Himself to lie....
When someone contradicts a direct quote from God or Jesus, it seems to me they are showing their true colors.
 
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Satan will always explain How Jesus could be God but never explain how it is possible for either to lie..
They will quote Scripture after scripture about Jesus being God but not one Scripture that shows how it is possible for God to lie...

Hebrews 6:18 That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:

It is impossible for God to lie.

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

It is impossible for God or Jesus to lie.

I have shown mine, now show me yours that says that it is possible for God to lie.
Anything else is deflection and lies...

So whose will did God Himself come down from heaven to do, if not his own?

John 6:38 For I have come down from heaven not to do mine own will but the will of him that sent me."

If you claim that Jesus is God Himself then Jesus only has one will and that is his own will...

If you claim that it was his human will he did not do then you are calling Jesus himself a liar because he said he did not come to do his own will.

If you utilize "God the Son" you are calling Jesus God Himself and Calling God Himself a liar...

Show me one piece of scripture that says that it is possible Jesus or God Himself to lie....
Here you go again with a doctrine built on not my will but the fathers.

What is it you don't get about existing in the form of God, surely Jesus didn't say it wasn't true and a lie but only the human mind can't grasp it.

Phil 2:6
Who, existing in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,
 
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How to get a false Prophet and Satan to show or expose themselves.

Look at the fruits of the prophet.

Unfortunately we don't have the gift to see the heart or the motives. In other threads there are discussions of the ONE verse that proved I am saved or unsaved.

What is the fruit?
Does the prophet/teacher build or splinter?
Are all welcome or only some?
Is there free forgiveness?

There are so many possibilities of bad fruit that there is not enough room to write it here.

When I was in the presence of a teacher that I am reasonably sure was false.

Answers to simple questions got twisted.

Member: Where is the audit?
Pastor: what audit? We are all Christians here we don't need to audit.

Member: There is to much unhealthy talk going on, WHY?
Pastor: That unhealthy talk is just rumors and gossip.
Member: I know gossip I know rumor that is in your face talking and spreading talk. The unhealthy talk is hiding from something not talking about it but talking to avoid it.
Pastor: that is still just rumor, gossip and innuendo, it has to stop.

There was a hidden thing, even hidden illegal things. Rumor, gossip and innuendo? Those things would have painted a picture of rotten the actions really were.

The unhealthy talk? It was questions
Why do things look good but feel off?
A lot of why? Questioning why's? That were called rumor and gossip, called unfounded innuendo, turned out to be so accurate that it is scary.

If questions start coming up we as Christians need to get answers.
We need an Audit? Why? Because we are Christians, fallible human beings that are temptable!
Denying even letting the questions be asked, blocking the methods of getting real answers.

Ask what is the fruit, what is the results?
Because by their fruits you will know them. By there results you will know them.

Your is Christ

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