Freedom From Our Sins

[RichardBurger]

Freedom From Our Sins:

All scriptures are from the NKJV

Romans 8:1-11 --- Free from Indwelling Sin (this does not mean we have no sins in/of the flesh. It means we are set free from the condemnation of our sins)

1 There is therefore now (present tense) no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has (present tense) made me free from the law of sin and death.

3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did (past tense) by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh,

4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. --------------------(things of the flesh are those things that men think will save them)
6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be.
8 So then, those who are (present tense) in the flesh cannot please God.

9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.

10 And if Christ is in you, the body is (present tense) dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
1 John 3:1-3 --- The Command to Love
1 Behold what manner of love the Father has (present tense) bestowed on us, that we should be called children of God! Therefore the world does not know us, because it did not know Him.
2 Beloved, now (present tense) we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.
3 And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.
Philippians 3:20-21
20 For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly wait for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ,
21 who will (future action) transform our lowly body that it may be conformed to His glorious body, according to the working by which He is able even to subdue all things to Himself.

2 Corinthians 5:16-21
16 Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him thus no longer.

(The children of God no longer know Christ as He was in the flesh)

17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have (present tense) become new.
18 Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation,
19 that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
20 Now then, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were pleading through us: we implore you on Christ's behalf, be reconciled to God.
21 For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

2 Corinthians 6:1-2 -- Marks of the Ministry
1 We then, as workers together with Him also plead with you not to receive the grace of God in vain.

Those who go back to law are not receiving the grace of God.

2 For He says: "In an acceptable time I have heard you, And in the day of salvation I have helped you." Behold, now (present tense) is the accepted time; behold, now (present tense) is the day of salvation.

 

[Episkopos]

If the body of sin is dead, then it will not sin. Those who walk in the Spirit do NOT engage in the lusts of the flesh. Too simple???

Rom_6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
Rom_13:14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.
Gal_5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Eph_2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
Eph_4:22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;

Here is the truth about the pop gospel...

Jud_1:18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.

This is what is really happening. The false doctrine is just a cover-up for the above truth.

Gal_5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

 

[veteran]

If the body of sin is dead, then it will not sin. Those who walk in the Spirit do NOT engage in the lusts of the flesh. Too simple???

Rom_6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
Rom_13:14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.
Gal_5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Eph_2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
Eph_4:22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;

Here is the truth about the pop gospel...

Jud_1:18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.

This is what is really happening. The false doctrine is just a cover-up for the above truth.

Gal_5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

Richard also quoted that same type of Gal.5:16 reference at the start of his post (Rom.8:1), but it evidently did not take.


Rom 8:1
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
(KJV)

 

[Episkopos]

Richard also quoted that same type of Gal.5:16 reference at the start of his post (Rom.8:1), but it evidently did not take.


Rom 8:1
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
(KJV)

This is explained away through the duality of the gnostic belief that it is our bodies doing the sinning not us!

It reminds me of the Bono verse that says.."I don't believe in the gun that just went off in my hand.

21st century schizoid man!!!!

 

[veteran]

This is explained away through the duality of the gnostic belief that it is our bodies doing the sinning not us!

It reminds me of the Bono verse that says.."I don't believe in the gun that just went off in my hand.

21st century schizoid man!!!!

Yep, Apostle Paul was giving a 'condition' there in Rom.8:1 to be "in Christ Jesus". We MUST first walk by The Spirit, and not by our flesh.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

If the body of sin is dead, then it will not sin. Those who walk in the Spirit do NOT engage in the lusts of the flesh. Too simple???

The flesh is dead to the legal requirements of the law. It is a legal, judicial issue. Those who walk in the faith of no condemnation are able to find the grace to not do the lusts of the flesh. The fact that they still have lusts of the flush indicates that sin still exists in the flesh. If you think no sin dwells in your flesh, you are living in a state of denial.

 

[Episkopos]

The flesh is dead to the legal requirements of the law. It is a legal, judicial issue. Those who walk in the faith of no condemnation are able to find the grace to not do the lusts of the flesh. The fact that they still have lusts of the flush indicates that sin still exists in the flesh. If you think no sin dwells in your flesh, you are living in a state of denial.

Sin comes from both the sin nature and the evil desires of the heart. Both of these are dealt with when we die in Christ. Otherwise we are only partially cleansed. Was Jesus only partially sacrificed?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Sin comes from both the sin nature and the evil desires of the heart. Both of these are dealt with when we die in Christ. Otherwise we are only partially cleansed. Was Jesus only partially sacrificed?

So are you saying that you have no sin nature?

 

[RichardBurger]

If the body of sin is dead, then it will not sin. Those who walk in the Spirit do NOT engage in the lusts of the flesh. Too simple???

If you still eat then your flesh is still alive in this world and it will sin.

 

[Episkopos]

So are you saying that you have no sin nature?

We are all born with a sin nature. The power of the cross brings our old nature to death so that Christ can become our life. Our old nature must be gotten out of the way before we can adopt a new one. A computer cannot have two operating systems. A woman cannot be married to two men. Paul explains this in Romans 7.

So we carry the death of the Lord Jesus in us so that the life of Jesus can be manifested in us.

If you still eat then your flesh is still alive in this world and it will sin.

This goes contrary to the gospel. The flesh is weak...not sinful. You are confusing the physical flesh with the spiritual falleness of the sin NATURE.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

We are all born with a sin nature. The power of the cross brings our old nature to death so that Christ can become our life. Our old nature must be gotten out of the way before we can adopt a new one. A computer cannot have two operating systems. A woman cannot be married to two men. Paul explains this in Romans 7.

The problem with your analogy is that we are not yet in our new bodies with the new operating system in which we cannot sin. We are in our old bodies with the old O/S, and we are still able to sin. Sometimes old and new systems have to run concurrently when transitioning from the old to the new. We are in a state of transition; we are not yet perfect. If sin doesn't still dwell within your O/S, what causes you to sin when you do sin?

 

[Episkopos]

The problem with your analogy is that we are not yet in our new bodies with the new operating system in which we cannot sin. We are in our old bodies with the old O/S, and we are still able to sin. Sometimes old and new systems have to run concurrently when transitioning from the old to the new. We are in a state of transition; we are not yet perfect. If sin doesn't still dwell within your O/S, what causes you to sin when you do sin?

It is a lack of faith that causes those who are actually born from above to sin. It goes against the gospel to say that we are not given the new operating system through grace. We are to be filled with the Spirit. Filled means there is no room for anything else.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

It is a lack of faith that causes those who are actually born from above to sin. It goes against the gospel to say that we are not given the new operating system through grace. We are to be filled with the Spirit. Filled means there is no room for anything else.

You keep talking around the subject, but never quite have the courage to say directly what you are implying in your words.

I want you say clearly and directly that you have no sin. If you do not believe this, then say that. Since you present yourself as a teacher of righteousness, that would be the godly thing to do. I'm trying to determine for my own walk if you have something to offer.

 

[Episkopos]

If you still eat then your flesh is still alive in this world and it will sin.

That is carnal reasoning....

You keep talking around the subject, but never quite have the courage to say directly what you are implying in your words.

I want you say clearly and directly that you have no sin. If you do not believe this, then say that. Since you present yourself as a teacher of righteousness, that would be the godly thing to do. I'm trying to determine for my own walk if you have something to offer.

This is not about me...it is about Christ.

Your argument reminds of of someone who needs to catagorize a Christian by a denomination or doctrinal stance. Isn't it enough to be Christian?

So isn't it enough to trust in Christ and His word? Or do you think that impossible? How are you judging...through the word or yourself and your own experience and faculties?

If you do not experience what is written in the bible then why do you seek to deny the truth because of that?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

This is not about me...it is about Christ.

Oh it is about you my friend. You present yourself as a teacher of righteousness; and I am admonishing you before God, the host of heaven, and all men to answer my question directly.

 

[Episkopos]

Oh it is about you my friend. You present yourself as a teacher of righteousness; and I am admonishing you before God, the host of heaven, and all men to answer my question directly.

I am not Jesus.....but He lives in me. :)

I can do ALL things through Christ who strengthens me. ALL things includes living as Jesus lived....holy! We are commanded and enabled to do so...by His grace through our faith.

This is about you and your unbelief not about me. I have no trouble with the words of the Lord.
Let us compare ourselves with the Word rather than with each other!

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I am not Jesus.....but He lives in me. :)

I can do ALL things through Christ who strengthens me. ALL things includes living as Jesus lived....holy! We are commanded and enabled to do so...by His grace through our faith.

This is about you and your unbelief not about me. I have no trouble with the words of the Lord.
Let us compare ourselves with the Word rather than with each other!

OK. I suspect that there's some kind of gnostic mysticism at work in your life, but at this point I am not certain. So I'll take what you have said and try to learn from it. And I'll be watching. :)

 

[Episkopos]

Sounds fair to me! Gnosticism separates the spirit from the body so that one can sin outwardly yet remain pure within. I certainly do not advocate this at all.

The Holy Spirit makes us more responsible for our actions as we know the holiness we are called to. It remains to allow God to crucify our old nature so that we can begin anew in the Spirit in His grace. :)

The world is affected by our walk...we are to be lights in this world.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Sounds fair to me! Gnosticism separates the spirit from the body so that one can sin outwardly yet remain pure within. I certainly do not advocate this at all.

Well I don't think that definition covers gnosticism entirely. There is a duality involved (as you imply), but the way I understand it, gnostics eschew the material realm as evil, and cleave to more mystical ideas. It's almost as if you are doing the same in a different way by assiduously avoiding any confession that sin dwells in you. Still trying to put a finger on it.

The Holy Spirit makes us more responsible for our actions as we know the holiness we are called to. It remains to allow God to crucify our old nature so that we can begin anew in the Spirit in His grace.

I believe we are instructed to crucify the flesh ourselves.

I realize you are trying to be holy; and I'm not being critical. There is a doorway here for me to wallk through; just not sure of the mechanics yet.

 

[Episkopos]

Well I don't think that definition covers gnosticism entirely. There is a duality involved (as you imply), but the way I understand it, gnostics eschew the material realm as evil, and cleave to more mystical ideas. It's almost as if you are doing the same in a different way by assiduously avoiding any confession that sin dwells in you. Still trying to put a finger on it.



I believe we are instructed to crucify the flesh ourselves.

I realize you are trying to be holy; and I'm not being critical. There is a doorway here for me to wallk through; just not sure of the mechanics yet.

The natural realm is a staging ground for the battle of God's creation. It is neither good nor evil. Our souls are also this battleground. Our souls are who we really are. The bodies we live in are neither good nor evil. They are containers of what we are.

We can be either led by the Spirit in Christ and walk in holiness or be led by the desires of the flesh in the carnal nature in death.

The mechanics is to surrender to God so that He accepts the sacrifice of your life towards Him. Then HE crucifies the flesh nature in order to have you walk in newness of life. After that...it is our choice....then WE must crucify (or reckon as crucified) the power that once animated us. God must first do the work so we can continue in it. Otherwise we don't know what death and life really are....we are just speculating.