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RLT63

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Here is what the introduction to the NLT says (in part), "The goal of any Bible translation is to convey the meaning and content of the ancient Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek texts as accurately as possible to contemporary readers. The challenge for our translators was to create a text that would communicate as clearly and powerfully to today’s readers as the original texts did to readers and listeners in the ancient biblical world. The resulting translation is easy to read and understand, while also accurately communicating the meaning and content of the original biblical texts. The NLT is a general-purpose text especially good for study, devotional reading, and to be read aloud in public worship. We believe that the New Living Translation—which combines the latest biblical scholarship with a clear, dynamic writing style—will communicate God’s word powerfully to all who read it."

Notice that the word "paraphrase" is absent, so your claim that "it's a paraphrase" is clearly misleading. The verses that you cite are translated differently in different English translations. For example, the NRSVue translates 1 Corinthians 7:36-37 as " If anyone thinks that he is behaving indecently toward his fiancée, if his passions are strong and so it has to be, let him marry as he wishes; it is no sin. Let them marry. But if someone stands firm in his resolve, being under no necessity but having his own desire under control, and has determined in his own mind to keep her as his fiancée, he will do well."

The NET translates these verses as " If anyone thinks he is acting inappropriately toward his virgin, if she is past the bloom of youth and it seems necessary, he should do what he wishes; he does not sin. Let them marry. But the man who is firm in his commitment, and is under no necessity but has control over his will, and has decided in his own mind to keep his own virgin, does well."

The NASB: "But if anyone thinks that he is acting dishonorably toward his virgin, if she is past her youth and it ought to be so, let him do what he wishes, he is not sinning; let them marry. But the one who stands firm in his heart, if he is not under constraint, but has authority [d]over his own will, and has decided this in his own heart, to keep his own virgin, he will do well."

The NLT: "But if a man thinks that he’s treating his fiancée improperly and will inevitably give in to his passion, let him marry her as he wishes. It is not a sin. But if he has decided firmly not to marry and there is no urgency and he can control his passion, he does well not to marry."

The KJV: "But if any man think that he behaveth himself uncomely toward his virgin, if she pass the flower of her age, and need so require, let him do what he will, he sinneth not: let them marry.

Nevertheless he that standeth stedfast in his heart, having no necessity, but hath power over his own will, and hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin, doeth well."

Which one, according to you is "right"? Which one is most easily understood? Which conveys the meaning most clearly? And why do you claim that you have provided "the proof text"? It's laughable! This is not about a father deciding if his daughter can be given in marriage. If your Bible changes this clear and obvious meaning then it undoubtedly "makes changes" in other places too.

Don't you see the absurdity of your claim? What gives you the delusion of having perfect understanding?
The NET, the NASB and the KJV have it right and if you care to check the NIV has footnotes that give the correct translation. The NASB 95 is the most accurate version that is based on the Critical Text and I love the NET full notes edition.
 
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Thanks for that. Just out of curiosity, why was your first response not admitting I had a point?
I typed before I took time to think, But Numbers 5 does not mention pregnancy in the accurate translations ////////. . ////////////////. Those who claim the passage depicts abortion insert concepts not even hinted at in the text. Part of this confusion stems from the 2011 edition of the NIV, which refers to miscarriage. Pregnancy is not part of the requirement for the ritual. Nor is pregnancy mentioned anywhere in the process. The effects include some type of swelling and/or shriveling. Yet the targeted body part is vague. In fact, it’s the same Hebrew term used to describe the spot where Jacob suffered his infamous injury (Genesis 32:25), as well as the place where Ehud hid his sword (Judges 3:16). At worst, the Numbers 5passage implies future infertility. The ritual was not a remedy for an unwanted pregnancy—it was a test for adultery. Traditional interpretations of the ritual even restricted it from being performed on pregnant women (Mishnah Sotah 4:3
 
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Work of art, now that's funny, and a cave in to Liberalism.

The KJV Bible most use today isn't even the 'original' 1611 1st edition that was in Old English including Old English characters. So it's ignorance by those who keep trying to claim they don't like the KJV because of Old English! They really show they don't have a clue what they are talking about, but only regurgitating things they've heard from false prophets.
Lol.
I have a copy of the 1611 edition and it is way harder to read than the old English archaic version I use.

One thing folks seem to forget or run over is the  FACT that the Holy Spirit of God is our teacher. HE ALONE MAKES IT POSSIBLE TO ACCEPT THE IMPOSSIBILITY OF GOD AND HIS TRUTH !

It has little to do with HOW we hear the word, which is another FACT, that we must respond to it in repentance, belief, confession and trusting God completely. To be hearers and to be doers of his word we must walk in the Spirit of God as he leads.

Will God's Spirit lead us into error, or deception ?
Will the Spirit let us walk in confusion and chaos ?

Just bc folks MOUTH they have , walk and are led of God's Spirit DOES NOT MAKE IT TRUE !

We know God's children by the Spirit of God that bears witness with his Spirit in us!

NOT BY THE WORDS THAT COME FROM THEIR PROFESSION OF SUCH !
 
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Lol.
I have a copy of the 1611 edition and it is way harder to read than the old English archaic version I use.

One thing folks seem to forget or run over is the  FACT that the Holy Spirit of God is our teacher. HE ALONE MAKES IT POSSIBLE TO ACCEPT THE IMPOSSIBILITY OF GOD AND HIS TRUTH !

It has little to do with HOW we hear the word, which is another FACT, that we must respond to it in repentance, belief, confession and trusting God completely. To be hearers and to be doers of his word we must walk in the Spirit of God as he leads.

Will God's Spirit lead us into error, or deception ?
Will the Spirit let us walk in confusion and chaos ?

Just bc folks MOUTH they have , walk and are led of God's Spirit DOES NOT MAKE IT TRUE !

We know God's children by the Spirit of God that bears witness with his Spirit in us!

NOT BY THE WORDS THAT COME FROM THEIR PROFESSION OF SUCH !
You will know them by their fruit
 
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You will know them by their fruit

Agreed.
Good fruit comes from a grounded, rooted in good soil believer. That soil is the word of God !

The Spirit of God is our vinedresser, who implants the word deep into our hearts in which he can also bear his fruit through us. This makes us bear the standard and image of God !
 
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Agreed.
Good fruit comes from a grounded, rooted in good soil believer. That soil is the word of God !

The Spirit of God is our vinedresser, who implants the word deep into our hearts in which he can also bear his fruit through us. This makes us bear the standard and image of God !
Mat 7:15 - “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.

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Mat 7:16 - By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?

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Mat 7:17 - Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.

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Mat 7:18 - A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.

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Mat 7:19 - Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.

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Mat 7:20 - Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
 
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I'm not sure what your question is. However, you won't find threads like this with other translations, side-stepping my idolatry question of A or B with 'I'm not an NLT only guy."
I’m not any version only but I’ve never had trouble understanding the NKJV. Lately the NET has been my favorite version though
 
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The proof of what you are is seen in your refusal - and other's - to answer my IDOLATRY revealing A or B question.
Oh forgive me mighty one with all authority, did you direct your inquiry to me.? Of course witnessing to people is more important than getting them to read a certain version. God’s message is clear in any version and I don’t hold any one as an idol. Who made you judge of everyone else? You should get over yourself.
 
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It doesn't matter if one answers anyone's questions.

The most important questions to ask are; Do you know Jesus? Is he your personal saviour ? Are you following God's Christ or another? Does the Holy Ghost teach you the words of God?
 

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Oh forgive me …did you direct your inquiry to me.?
Yes. Yes, I did direct my question to you.

I don’t hold any one as an idol.

Denial. How many other translations did you write 46-pages apologizing for?

Who made you judge of everyone else?

I’m not judging you, just your idolatry … still haven’t answered my A or B question. This reveals the truth, the truth of your idolatry.
 

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Yes. Yes, I did direct my question to you.



Denial. How many other translations did you write 46-pages apologizing for?



I’m not judging you, just your idolatry … still haven’t answered my A or B question. This reveals the truth, the truth of your idolatry.
What is the question? And why do you think anyone owes you an answer? Who are you to demand an answer? Tell me what the question is because I thought I answered it. And I must say you really don’t know what you’re talking about. I didn’t write 46 pages and I didn’t defend a version. I criticized two documents and the dismissal of the Byzantine texts by some scholars. There’s no way you can judge what I wrote because you didn’t read it and my beliefs are not limited to one thread I started a long time. You are starting to remind me of some other people who belong to denominations that think they are the only ones who are right. So tell me what is your all important question since you say I didn’t answer it. I will think about giving you an answer your majesty. On second thought never mind, I already answered the question for anyone who is reading this thread and I don’t care what you think, You’re irrelevant,
 
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And why do you think anyone owes you an answer?
Only those who pursue truth and responsibility answer questions. How absurd when asked a question, ‘why do you think anyone owes you an answer?‘

As I originally wrote to to you about this; Dodge!
 

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Only those who pursue truth and responsibility answer questions. How absurd when asked a question, ‘why do you think anyone owes you an answer?‘

As I originally wrote to to you about this; Dodge!
Wrangler said
KJV-only folks cannot see the IDOL they have created. This is demonstrated by the question,
what is more important to you:
A. Force as many people as possible to read your preferred translation?
B. Bring people to Christ. ///////// I already answered this question, Do you not know what witnessing is? It’s sharing your faith to bring people to Christ and as I already stated it’s more important than getting people to read any version, Now go back and check, your question that I copied and pasted was addressed to someone else and I wouldn’t have answered it anyway because I am not KJV only. Now let me make sure there is not something you can lift out of my answer and take out of context and let me make this so simple that even you can understand , the answer is B. Did you get that? The answer is B I haven’t used the ignore feature before but you are making me consider it,
 
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Yes. Yes, I did direct my question to you.



Denial. How many other translations did you write 46-pages apologizing for?



I’m not judging you, just your idolatry … still haven’t answered my A or B question. This reveals the truth, the truth of your idolatry.
 

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Yeah, it's quite obvious this guy here isn't interested in facts, but is only attempting to get others to steer around use of the Traditional Greek texts prior to Wescott and Hort's corrupt post-1880s Greek Critical text.
. ////////////////. Those who claim the passage depicts abortion insert concepts not even hinted at in the text. Part of this confusion stems from the 2011 edition of the NIV, which refers to miscarriage. Pregnancy is not part of the requirement for the ritual. Nor is pregnancy mentioned anywhere in the process. The effects include some type of swelling and/or shriveling. Yet the targeted body part is vague. In fact, it’s the same Hebrew term used to describe the spot where Jacob suffered his infamous injury (Genesis 32:25), as well as the place where Ehud hid his sword (Judges 3:16). At worst, the Numbers 5passage implies future infertility. The ritual was not a remedy for an unwanted pregnancy—it was a test for adultery. Traditional interpretations of the ritual even restricted it from being performed on pregnant women (Mishnah Sotah 4:3
 

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Not an attack on your position. An observation about your personality.


No kidding? The shadow of that remains.

Oh. I could not tell.

I personally read 4 translations: CEV, NLT, CJB & NRSV. I also do Spirit led reading in ESV and VOICE translations. My 'go to' translation is probably NLT but as you can see below referencing ESV, I do mix it up. When I do not have a physical Bible to reference, I most often go to the VOICE but I am on the other side of the spectrum, sir, of those who subscribe to only one translation (especially those whose one translation has "James" in the title).


Hmmm. That most certainly is the God of the Bible. Consider doing a Bible Study on the 10 Commandments. Pay close attention eo Ex 20:5. God explicitly states his divine justice calls for punishing multiple generations for the sin of the mother and father. Not sure how you could have missed it. It's a big deal.


4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5 You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing steadfast love to thousands[a] of those who love me and keep my commandments.
Exodus 20:4-6 ESV
 

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In defense of the VOICE, and another thought translation, CEV, it says she won't be able to have children any more. This is the meaning of the literal word from ESV, cursed or the manner of manifestation of the curse. Neither translation says she is pregnant or will miscarry (upon drinking the potion).
. ////////////////. Those who claim the passage depicts abortion insert concepts not even hinted at in the text. Part of this confusion stems from the 2011 edition of the NIV, which refers to miscarriage. Pregnancy is not part of the requirement for the ritual. Nor is pregnancy mentioned anywhere in the process. The effects include some type of swelling and/or shriveling. Yet the targeted body part is vague. In fact, it’s the same Hebrew term used to describe the spot where Jacob suffered his infamous injury (Genesis 32:25), as well as the place where Ehud hid his sword (Judges 3:16). At worst, the Numbers 5passage implies future infertility. The ritual was not a remedy for an unwanted pregnancy—it was a test for adultery. Traditional interpretations of the ritual even restricted it from being performed on pregnant women (Mishnah Sotah 4:3
 

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Yeah, what do scholars who have devoted their careers to Bible translation know? The "plain reading " is in your mind only. Guess whom I believe, you or qualified scholars?
Career equals agenda. The Scribes and Pharisees or the Holy Spirit through God's people?
 
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