"Illegitimate" Children

[Strat]

Deuteronomy 23/2 says that "A bastard shall not enter then congregation of the Lord,even to his tenth generation shal he not enter into the congregation of the Lord"

I am illigitimate,my parents were not married and never married...this passage is in the old testement,what verse in the new testement changes anything,has God not said that he does not change ?

There is another passage that i can't seem to find that says it is God who opens and closes the womb...why would God allow an illigitimate child to be born ? ...does God love one(legitimate) and hate the other(illigitimate) ? as he said about another situation in the bible.

 

[Foreigner]

What do you think, Strat?

Instead of just doing a fishing expedition, why not first state how you feel about the scripture, whether you feel it's accurate today or not, and why?







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[goodshepard55]

Ahh..darling when you accepted Christ you were adopted into the family...So how can God not love His child....He loves you brother of mine...

 

[Episkopos]

Deuteronomy 23/2 says that "A bastard shall not enter then congregation of the Lord,even to his tenth generation shal he not enter into the congregation of the Lord"

I am illigitimate,my parents were not married and never married...this passage is in the old testement,what verse in the new testement changes anything,has God not said that he does not change ?

There is another passage that i can't seem to find that says it is God who opens and closes the womb...why would God allow an illigitimate child to be born ? ...does God love one(legitimate) and hate the other(illigitimate) ? as he said about another situation in the bible.

Things that were meant in the physical realm in the OT have become the deeper spiritual significance. To be illegitimate in the NT means to be spiritually illegitimate...as in...I never knew you. We need to run the race lawfully or be disqualified. That is the meaning in our time.

 

[Strat]

What do you think, Strat?

Instead of just doing a fishing expedition, why not first state how you feel about the scripture, whether you feel it's accurate today or not, and why?




It doesn't matter what i think,God has put some hard things in his word and told us in no uncertain terms that we have no right to even question it....what did he tell Job ? I am not one of those God is love and nothing else types.I put forth the question to see what others say.I have come to understand that there are things in life that are more terrible than anything we can imagine and that people constantly try to do away with these things but they are still there....things like Hell and eternity....and God's soverignty....it is indeed a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.


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[mark s]

Under the Old Covenant, there were a lot of exclusionary laws. Gentiles couldn't enter the temple. Moabites couldn't join the Jews, and you weren't allowed to marry a Moabite. Cripples couldn't come into the temple. All sorts of things like this.

God is Holy, and no one may approach Him except they be perfect.

But in Jesus, well, He said it best . . .

Matthew 11:28-30 NLT
(28) Then Jesus said, "Come to me, all of you who are weary and carry heavy burdens, and I will give you rest.
(29) Take my yoke upon you. Let me teach you, because I am humble and gentle, and you will find rest for your souls.
(30) For my yoke fits perfectly, and the burden I give you is light."

Love in Christ,
Mark

 

[prism]

I was illigitimate in my natural birth also but to say that my rebirth was illigitimate would be blaspheme since God is the true Father of my rebirth,

Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.(Jas 1:18)

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
(Joh 1:12-13)

 

[JPPT1974]

We are children of God. As we accept Him. As our Savior and Lord. Knowing our names are written in the Lamb's Book of Life!

 

[Strat]

Can anyone tell me why God would allow a illigitimate child to be born,conceived outside of his stated will (marriage) I can see how God acomplishes his will within the context of the evil that man does but there is a verse in the Bible that says it is God who opens and closes the womb...if anyone can find it....i confess to my lack of ability to do so...does God open the womb to give birth to his elect or does he allow people to be born who in fact have no hope.

When i was a child i used to hear the old folks say that those who lived a long life despite all their sins and misbehaviour from a christian perspective were allowed to do so because God knew this life was all they would ever have before facing an eternity of damnation.

 

[Comm.Arnold]

I was illigitimate in my natural birth also but to say that my rebirth was illigitimate would be blaspheme since God is the true Father of my rebirth,

Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.(Jas 1:18)

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
(Joh 1:12-13)

Amen brother anyone who wants to join the family and truly walk the walk is welcome. My parents were married 10 years before they had me so I feel pretty smug about that sometimes.

 

[veteran]

Deuteronomy 23/2 says that "A bastard shall not enter then congregation of the Lord,even to his tenth generation shal he not enter into the congregation of the Lord"

I am illigitimate,my parents were not married and never married...this passage is in the old testement,what verse in the new testement changes anything,has God not said that he does not change ?

There is another passage that i can't seem to find that says it is God who opens and closes the womb...why would God allow an illigitimate child to be born ? ...does God love one(legitimate) and hate the other(illigitimate) ? as he said about another situation in the bible.

Look up the meaning of that KJV word "bastard" that was translated into English. It's especially about one of mixed race, a memzar. God commanded Israel to not take wives of the daughters of the Canaanites, to not mix. So it even applied to offpsring that came out of wedlock between an Israelite and a Gentile. That's why the tenth generation idea is included with that commandment, meaning in 10 generations the mixed seed would be purged out. That was per the Old Covenant system. It does not apply under the New Covenant by Jesus Christ. (However, I believe God is still against the idea of us mixing up our race, but intends us the stay the way He created the races of mankind, that specific being written in the Hebrew of Gen.1:26-27).

 

[Templar81]

I struggle with the idea of inherited sin, except for original sin which is wiped away with baptism. I just can't udnerstand why God would wish to punnish the illigitimate for something they had no part in.

Last year I read the old testament more and saw just how excluding and elitist Isralite society was. I think that this kind of society is for Pharasies and not for Christians. The Old Testament Jews were very insular and the Pharasies and Sageses took theis even further and turned it into snobbery. Jesus# message has always been that of inclusion and is all embracing to those who take it up

 

[Foreigner]

"It doesn't matter what i think,God has put some hard things in his word and told us in no uncertain terms that we have no right to even question it....what did he tell Job ? I am not one of those God is love and nothing else types.I put forth the question to see what others say.I have come to understand that there are things in life that are more terrible than anything we can imagine and that people constantly try to do away with these things but they are still there....things like Hell and eternity....and God's soverignty....it is indeed a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God." - Strat



-- If it "doesn't matter" what you think then why would it matter what anyone else here thinks?
Are you saying you have no opinion about what God means?

Also, do you not realize that just a few verses before the verse you provided, in Deut. 22 it says that if a man lies with a virgin engaged to be married, it states that they are to be taken outside the wall of the city and stoned? Is that what God expects today?

It also states that if a man rapes a woman, he must pay the father 50 shekels of silver and marry her.
This must be the correct thing to do, right? After all it does speak specifically, and give the reasons as to why it is necessary.

If you read further there are other laws and punishments even more extreme than that.

So I ask, do these rules seem like they should be enforced today? Does God expect them to be enforced today?

A little perspective, please...

I am not an O.T. denier when it comes to the law laid down then, but - fact be fact - there ARE some laws and their punishments that do not apply.

 

[Strat]

"It doesn't matter what i think,God has put some hard things in his word and told us in no uncertain terms that we have no right to even question it....what did he tell Job ? I am not one of those God is love and nothing else types.I put forth the question to see what others say.I have come to understand that there are things in life that are more terrible than anything we can imagine and that people constantly try to do away with these things but they are still there....things like Hell and eternity....and God's soverignty....it is indeed a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God." - Strat



-- If it "doesn't matter" what you think then why would it matter what anyone else here thinks?
Are you saying you have no opinion about what God means?

Also, do you not realize that just a few verses before the verse you provided, in Deut. 22 it says that if a man lies with a virgin engaged to be married, it states that they are to be taken outside the wall of the city and stoned? Is that what God expects today?

It also states that if a man rapes a woman, he must pay the father 50 shekels of silver and marry her.
This must be the correct thing to do, right? After all it does speak specifically, and give the reasons as to why it is necessary.

If you read further there are other laws and punishments even more extreme than that.

So I ask, do these rules seem like they should be enforced today? Does God expect them to be enforced today?

A little perspective, please...

I am not an O.T. denier when it comes to the law laid down then, but - fact be fact - there ARE some laws and their punishments that do not apply.

We are not allowed to have an opinion,we have one,that is why we are called sinners.

 

[Foreigner]

We are not allowed to have an opinion,we have one,that is why we are called sinners.

-- If we are "not allowed to have an opinion," then why are you soliciting opinions of fellow Christians?
Your very first post asks the question "why?"

And if no opinions are allowed, then we should actually be supporting the stoning of two people caught in adultery and forcing a man who rapes a virgin to pay the father 50 shekels of silver and marrying the woman.

After all, we have no right to question what God requires......right?

 

[biggandyy]

We are not allowed to have an opinion,we have one,that is why we are called sinners.

That is just wacky. Unless you meant to say "choice"? That would only make it slightly less wacky, but hey, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt since I am a child of unwed parents as well.

 

[Strat]

That is just wacky. Unless you meant to say "choice"? That would only make it slightly less wacky, but hey, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt since I am a child of unwed parents as well.

No,not so wacky,look at all the times in the Bible when God set a standard for behaviour and people's personal opinions led them and others to disobey(sin).....yes we have a choice but i doubt there will be differences of opinion in Heaven,or Hell for that matter,all things will be settled and considering what happened when Satan followed his own opinions the first time i doubt it will happen again.

 

[Foreigner]

Ummm....

Does anyone have a "Strat to English" dictionary I could borrow?

 

[Strat]

Ummm....

Does anyone have a "Strat to English" dictionary I could borrow?

Ah yes,i remember,the board antagonist....sorry i didn't make my statement simple enough for you to understand.

 

[Foreigner]

Ah yes,i remember,the board antagonist....sorry i didn't make my statement simple enough for you to understand.

-- From the complete lack of replies - from anyone - it would appear I am not the only one needing that dictionary.

I did notice that you chose not to respond to my previous post.

Let me repeat and give you another chance:

You said: "We are not allowed to have an opinion,we have one,that is why we are called sinners."

My reply was:

"-- If we are "not allowed to have an opinion," then why are you soliciting opinions of fellow Christians?
Your very first post asks the question "why?"

And if no opinions are allowed, then we should actually be supporting the stoning of two people caught in adultery and forcing a man who rapes a virgin to pay the father 50 shekels of silver and marrying the woman.

After all, we have no right to question what God requires......right?"


Now, I realize that there really isn't anything you can say to recover from being cornered by your own words, but it would be sporting if you would at least try.