One baptism. Not two.

[Eternally Grateful]

Are you being dishonest?

Why don't you say Romans 6 is not water about a water baptism.

If that is what you believe, say it!

F2F

dude, I have said it numerous times.

If you did not have such an attitude you would know it.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Brother, I think he’s a troll. look at the way he engages with us..I think it best we ignore him.

I think he proved it with his last post to me..

amen

 

[Ritajanice]

I think he proved it with his last post to me..

amen

Indeed..Amen!

 

[face2face]

A symbol does not save

Baptism is merely a sign of a good conscience toward God - not sure where you are getting this from?

12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.

Are you lost?

Raised Jesus - why would you say god?

yes, it is a symbol of the very act GOD does when you are saved.

Correct, and this in the first step in a life in Christ - you are not saved - you are being saved...no different to Christ being perfected by suffering and obedience.

lol.. You think you know it all. that is pride. the pharisees thought they knew it all also.

in pride they refused to repent.

I have determined you do not know how Paul and Christ worked out their salvation with trembling and fear. That much we know it true.

It's the height of arrogance to assume one’s own salvation.

And I am the one with a pride problem lol.

F2F

 

[face2face]

Nope

work out is actually used as a mining term. the miners would work out the gems which were in the dirt. so it could be usefull

Paul is saying work out the salvation that is in you. so you can be a light int he world..

You believe you are already saved - in other words you have nothing to work out! You mistaken belief for arrogance.

The children of Israel passed through the waters then murmured 10 times in the wilderness (40 year probation) and how many crossed over into the promise land?

More fear is needed!

F2F

 

[Ritajanice]

Brother @Eternally Grateful ..ignore him, I am.

Matthew 7:6 KJV​

Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

 

[face2face]

Brother @Eternally Grateful ..ignore him, I am.

Matthew 7:6 KJV​

Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

Rita, go back and look at the communications - did I accuse you of being full of pride? or a dog or swine?

If your beliefs are false there are two options - learn, or throw stones.

F2F

 

[Ritajanice]

1 Corinthians 13:1-13 ESV / 1,982 helpful votes​

If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give away all I have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned, but have not love, I gain nothing. Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; ..

 

[face2face]

1 Corinthians 13:1-13 ESV / 1,982 helpful votes​

If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give away all I have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned, but have not love, I gain nothing. Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; ..

So now you have gone from calling me a swine to trying to provide words of encouragment? Are you for real? That is a person who is likened to clouds without water - foaming waves being tossed to and fro by the wind. That's the height of hypocrisy.

You believe in baptism without water and instantaneous salvation.

Sad.

 

[face2face]

It's important we read Christ and the Apostles teachings on how a person is "being saved"

For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through (process) the living and enduring WORD OF GOD. 1 Peter 1:23

So the first stage of justification, comes by faith (Baptism being a sign of a good conscience toward God)....FIRST STEP!

Then,

Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. John 3:5

So you have justification by faith AND justification by works which completes our development in the Spirit. You cannot have works without faith, or faith without works - both are involved in a person working out their salvation with trembling and fear. The life of Christ is testimony to this truth.

How do we know this to be true of Baptism and our Walk in Christ?

Romans 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

The Apostle Paul taught that both faith and works are necessary:

Romans 5:1

Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

Jas. 2:14-26.

What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

Justification by faith through baptism is experienced now, just consider Abraham leaving Ur of the Chaldees and entering into a walk of probation "over the river" (Josh 24:2-3).

Justification by works awaits the judgment seat of Christ - prefigured in the typical death and resurrection of Isaac by which Abraham was assured of immortality (Gen. 22:16-18).

In both circumstances faith commenced a process of works.

Baptism is the first step in a process of being perfected - our Lord is the greatest example.

For it was fitting that he (Jesus), for whom and by whom all things exist, in bringing many sons to glory, should make the founder of their salvation perfect through suffering. Hebrews 2:10

F2F

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Troll alert

 

[face2face]

dude, I have said it numerous times.

If you did not have such an attitude you would know it.

What's with the dude? Truth hurts EG, and out of that hurt, people like to call others names and try to find a little leverage, but in the end you are still left with error.

I'll leave you with what water baptism achieves through faith (Spirit Word)!

There are three deaths (symbolized by water baptism by faith!)

(1) Dead to sin alive unto God (Romans 6:11)
(2) Dead to the law espoused to Christ (Romans 7:4)
(3) Dead to the flesh led by the spirit (Romans 8:13)

Now you might think your waterless baptism is able to instantly save you from sin, law and flesh, but the truth is, Christ was in agony every day resisting his flesh nature and it wasn't until he crucified that nature that his enemy was laid down.

I have a baptism to be baptized with, and how great is my distress (agony) UNTIL it is accomplished!

And Paul knew this which is why he said this:

And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

No one perfectly lives in the Spirit, just as no one crucifies their natural desires everyday as Christ did...we are commanded to practice these things daily till he appears, till then the war rages on!

F2F

 

[face2face]

Troll alert

From labelling me prideful, to calling me a swine and now this tactic – the Admin will see right through this as childish behaviour.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

op: ONE Baptism, not two? Absolutely Correct!

My my, more "biting and devouring" over a ritual, from the previous dispensation that is not
for The Body Of Christ, Under Grace, Today, but, Thank God For His ONE ( Spiritual ) Baptism
That Is For us in ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑!

Also reminds me of the only 'one' Gospel critics who homogenize/Confuse Two Different Gospels!

Last reminder for another good study, solving all the Confusion:

unScriptural or UNdispensational?

Amen.

 

[ElieG12]

The idea of "one baptism" (supposedly baptism "in spirit") is obviously an attack on organized religious communities. Anyone could say that they have been spirit baptized and born again... but no one would have proof of that. However, it is clear that first-century Christians had to be baptized in water as a public sign of repentance. After that step the Christian's career really began (Acts 8:36,38,39; 22:16).

Paul included water baptism (he told about BAPTISMS in plural) in a short list of basic and introductory ideas of Christianism

Heb. 6:1 Therefore, now that we have moved beyond the primary doctrine about the Christ, let us press on to maturity, not laying a foundation again, namely, repentance from dead works and faith in God, 2 the teaching on baptisms and the laying on of the hands, the resurrection of the dead and everlasting judgment. 3 And this we will do, if God indeed permits.

Actually, Paul was baptized:

Acts 9:17 So An·a·niʹas went and entered the house, and he laid his hands on him and said: “Saul, brother, the Lord Jesus, who appeared to you on the road along which you were coming, has sent me so that you may recover sight and be filled with holy spirit.” 18 And immediately, what looked like scales fell from his eyes, and he recovered his sight. He then got up and was baptized, 19 and he ate some food and gained strength.

And not only him, but even Jesus, to set the example:

Matt. 3:13 Then Jesus came from Galʹi·lee to the Jordan to John, in order to be baptized by him. 14 But the latter tried to prevent him, saying: “I am the one who needs to be baptized by you, and are you coming to me?” 15 Jesus replied to him: “Let it be this time, for in that way it is suitable for us to carry out all that is righteous.” Then he quit preventing him. 16 After being baptized, Jesus immediately came up from the water; and look! the heavens were opened up, and he saw God’s spirit descending like a dove and coming upon him. 17 Look! Also, a voice from the heavens said: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.”

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The idea of "one baptism" (supposedly baptism "in spirit") is obviously an attack on organized religious communities. Anyone could say that they have been spirit baptized and born again... but no one would have proof of that. However, it is clear that first-century Christians had to be baptized in water as a public sign of repentance. After that step the Christian's career really began (Acts 8:36,38,39; 22:16).

Paul included water baptism (he told about BAPTISMS in plural) in a short list of basic and introductory ideas of Christianism

Heb. 6:1 Therefore, now that we have moved beyond the primary doctrine about the Christ, let us press on to maturity, not laying a foundation again, namely, repentance from dead works and faith in God, 2 the teaching on baptisms and the laying on of the hands, the resurrection of the dead and everlasting judgment. 3 And this we will do, if God indeed permits.

Actually, Paul was baptized:

Acts 9:17 So An·a·niʹas went and entered the house, and he laid his hands on him and said: “Saul, brother, the Lord Jesus, who appeared to you on the road along which you were coming, has sent me so that you may recover sight and be filled with holy spirit.” 18 And immediately, what looked like scales fell from his eyes, and he recovered his sight. He then got up and was baptized, 19 and he ate some food and gained strength.

And not only him, but even Jesus, to set the example:

Matt. 3:13 Then Jesus came from Galʹi·lee to the Jordan to John, in order to be baptized by him. 14 But the latter tried to prevent him, saying: “I am the one who needs to be baptized by you, and are you coming to me?” 15 Jesus replied to him: “Let it be this time, for in that way it is suitable for us to carry out all that is righteous.” Then he quit preventing him. 16 After being baptized, Jesus immediately came up from the water; and look! the heavens were opened up, and he saw God’s spirit descending like a dove and coming upon him. 17 Look! Also, a voice from the heavens said: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.”

God does not need proof that we were saved.

One baptism is biblical (one baptism which saves)

your right. there are multiple baptisms. But only one baptism saves..

Ephesians 4:5-6
one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.


One Lord

One faith - anyone who teaches a different gospel....

one baptism.. its not water..

 

[David in NJ]

God does not need proof that we were saved.

One baptism is biblical (one baptism which saves)

your right. there are multiple baptisms. But only one baptism saves..

Ephesians 4:5-6
one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.


One Lord

One faith - anyone who teaches a different gospel....

one baptism.. its not water..

Biblical Thinking: If flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God, how then can water baptism save anyone?

JESUS says: "the flesh profits nothing, these words I speak they are Spirit and they are Life"

"The letter of the Law kills but the Spirit gives LIFE"

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Biblical Thinking: If flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God, how then can water baptism save anyone?

JESUS says: "the flesh profits nothing, these words I speak they are Spirit and they are Life"

"The letter of the Law kills but the Spirit gives LIFE"

Circumcision could not save either.. so imagine getting as paul said mutilated. so you could go to heaven, then find out it does not help you one bit

at lease water baptism, you just get wet. no pain involved..

 

[ElieG12]

God does not need proof that we were saved.

One baptism is biblical (one baptism which saves)

your right. there are multiple baptisms. But only one baptism saves..

Ephesians 4:5-6
one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.


One Lord

One faith - anyone who teaches a different gospel....

one baptism.. its not water..

I see you don't follow Jesus' example.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I see you don't follow Jesus' example.

Oh I was water baptized.

A year after I was baptized By God and born again.

Jesus was baptized as a testimony he was the lamb of God. Just like my water baptism was a testimony of my faith in Christ and his saving me

Jesus was not baptized to be saved. Jesus did not need saved..