MY GOSPEL

[Doug]

#2 - Genesis 18:18 & 22:18 & Galatians 3:8

[Gen 22:17-18 KJV] 17 That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which [is] upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies; 18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.
This is talking about the believing remnant of Israel bringing the Gentiles to the Lord in the millenial kingdom

[Gal 3:8 KJV] 8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, [saying], In thee shall all nations be blessed.

This is once again fulfilled by believing Israel in the kingdom blessing the Gentile nations

 

[Doug]

who is MY people Doug?

I said it in the reply ......it is Israel

 

[Doug]

after his resurrection and ascension they understood everything,

Not everything only what was in the law and prophets and Psalms.....everything was revealed to Paul

 

[Doug]

JESUS is the ISAREL of GOD who leads the nations to HIMSELF/The FATHER/The HOLY SPIRIT

Interesting concept.....the Israel of God is not defined....Jesus in this verse is called Israel......[Hos 11:1 KJV] 1 When Israel [was] a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.

 

[David in NJ]

Interesting concept.....the Israel of God is not defined....Jesus in this verse is called Israel......[Hos 11:1 KJV] 1 When Israel [was] a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.

Matthew 2:13-15
Now when they had departed, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream, saying, “Arise, take the young Child and His mother, flee to Egypt, and stay there until I bring you word; for Herod will seek the young Child to destroy Him.”

14When he arose, he took the young Child and His mother by night and departed for Egypt, 15and was there until the death of Herod, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying, “Out of Egypt I called My Son.”

 

[amigo de christo]

JESUS is the ISAREL of GOD who leads the nations to HIMSELF/The FATHER/The HOLY SPIRIT

Out of egypt have i called my SON .
sounds like someone knows WHO THE TRUE ISRAEL IS and that the sheep are of HIS BODY
and that IN HIM shall all nations be blessed . As in thy seed .
As in TIME to beleive ON JESUS THE CHRIST .
For there is the ISRAEL OF GOD indeed .

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

everything was revealed to Paul

So in your "bible" the other New Testament writers were all cut out?

You gave the Bible the Thomas Jefferson treatment?

Thomas Jefferson cut out portions he did not like from
the Bible he was a servant of the devil.

 

[Doug]

John 3:16
For God so loved the WORLD, that he gave his only begotten Son, that
whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

You must have missed the part in John 3:16 where Jesus specifically said "God so loved the WORLD"

If what you are saying is true, then Jesus would have said "God so loved the JEWS" but He didn't say that.

So now we have to figure out who is speaking false doctrine, you or Jesus.

Obviously Jesus is not the One speaking false doctrine

Better luck on the next topic son, you lost this round seeing what you said is in direct opposition to what Jesus said

How would he save the world?
By believing on Christ
Israel was to be saved first then in the millennial kingdom they would bring the Gentile nations to the Lord
This would be interrupted with Paul who would bring in the new dispensation of grace by which all the world could be saved now

 

[LoveYeshua]

Not everything only what was in the law and prophets and Psalms.....everything was revealed to Paul

Itt is clear the disciples of Jesus that knew him and lived with him during his 3 year ministry understood everything in scripture;

Luk 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

Luk 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

Luk 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

Luk 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Luk 24:48 And ye are witnesses of these things.

Luk 24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

it is crystal clear they understood everything at that point and also knew about the significance of Jesus death and resurrection as quoted above, they were asked to preach repentance, remissions of sin and all Jesus said to them.

They witnessed all these things, it is clear also they were to begin preaching in Jerusalem but also to all nations later when the time came and they recieved power from on High as like states, as quoted above..

 

[Doug]

Matthew 2:13-15
Now when they had departed, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream, saying, “Arise, take the young Child and His mother, flee to Egypt, and stay there until I bring you word; for Herod will seek the young Child to destroy Him.”

14When he arose, he took the young Child and His mother by night and departed for Egypt, 15and was there until the death of Herod, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying, “Out of Egypt I called My Son.”

Hey David
I like this corresponding passage.......interesting food for thought

I know that what many say is wrong.....that the church today is the Israel of God......but that Christ is????? I wonder?

 

[Doug]

So in your "bible" the other New Testament writers were all cut out?

You gave the Bible the Thomas Jefferson treatment?

Thomas Jefferson cut out portions he did not like from
the Bible he was a servant of the devil.

You are amazing.....where did this come from????
You are off the rails HaHa
I wonder how many people knew that Jefferson did that or what some of the founding fathers really believed

 

[Doug]

Itt is clear the disciples of Jesus that knew him and lived with him during his 3 year ministry understood everything in scripture;

Luk 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

Luk 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

Luk 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

Luk 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Luk 24:48 And ye are witnesses of these things.

Luk 24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

it is crystal clear they understood everything at that point and also knew about the significance of Jesus death and resurrection as quoted above, they were asked to preach repentance, remissions of sin and all Jesus said to them.

They witnessed all these things, it is clear also they were to begin preaching in Jerusalem but also to all nations later when the time came and they recieved power from on High as like states, as quoted above..

Jesus didnt teach them any thing outside of the law and prophets and psalms....they were not to preach the cross but his name in v47
What was revealed to Paul as mystery was not in these scriptures

 

[LoveYeshua]

they witnessed everything first hand of course they knew everything when they received the holy spirit send to them. so I conclude you do not believe what Christ said, unfortunate.
Doug they did preach his death on the cross.

• Acts 2:22-23 (Peter preaching at Pentecost):
  

  “Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know—Him, being delivered by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God, you have taken by lawless hands, have crucified, and put to death.”

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

How would he save the world?

He loved the entire world so He sent Jesus to pay for the sins of the world

1 John 2:2
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

By believing on Christ
Israel was to be saved first then in the millennial kingdom they would bring the Gentile nations to the Lord
This would be interrupted with Paul who would bring in the new dispensation of grace by which all the world could be saved now

Obviously man has to participate in salvation and many reject the Lord never finding the narrow path unto life as Jesus told us:

Matthew 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

You are amazing.....where did this come from????
You are off the rails HaHa
I wonder how many people knew that Jefferson did that or what some of the founding fathers really believed

Sadly you are just like Thomas Jefferson in that you don't accept the whole counsel of God.

Jesus didnt teach them any thing outside of the law and prophets and psalms

False and fake even on the second take.

In Luke 16:16 Jesus specifically says the law and the prophets stopped when the ministry of John the Baptist started and from that point the Gospel of the Kingdom of God was preached.

What was revealed to Paul as mystery was not in these scriptures

Jesus continued His teaching ministry thru ALL of the New Testament writers, not just Paul.

 

[Behold]

i cannot believe @Behold made that statement

@Behold = Please refresh your spirit and mind in TRUTH = read the Gospel of John and Acts

I love the Gospel of John.
I uses Acts all the time when explaining that Acts 2:38 is not the Gospel, and that Peter didnt know the gospel, 10 yrs after Jesus was back in Heaven, according to Acts 10.

 

[Behold]

started out real good
but ended up a lie .
Pual didnt teach peter and the other apostels the gospel .
THEY already knew it . JESUS taught them

Jesus taught Paul what Paul refers to as "MY Gospel".....3x.
This is why He wrote Galatians 1:8 that says if YOU teach any other Gospel then His, then YOU are cursed., as is your gospel.

Paul's Gospel includes the GENTILES...........that they may be saved.
Paul is the "apostile to the Gentiles".
So, 10 Yrs after Jesus is back in Heaven, Peter does not know that Gentiles can be saved... and God had to show Him in a vision.....so this proves that Peter didn't know Paul's Gospel, which Jesus gave to Paul.

 

[amigo de christo]

Jesus taught Paul what Paul refers to as "MY Gospel".....3x.
This is why He wrote Galatians 1:8 that says if YOU teach any other Gospel then His, then YOU are cursed., as is your gospel.

Paul's Gospel includes the GENTILES...........that they may be saved.
Paul is the "apostile to the Gentiles".
So, 10 Yrs after Jesus is back in Heaven, Peter does not know that Gentiles can be saved... and God had to show Him in a vision.....so this proves that Peter didn't know Paul's Gospel, which Jesus gave to Paul.

Funny peter preached the same gospel to cornelious the gentile as he had
to the jews .
He didnt preach one to the jews and then another one to the house of cornelious .
ITS always been ONE GOSPEL .
what occurred was it was preached first to the house of israel
and then quickly in time it was sent also to the gentile .
BUT IT BE THE ONE SAME GOSPEL . So there is no gospel of peter verses the gospel of paul .
ITS THE SAME GOSPEL . it was first preached to the jew then to the gentiles as well .
SAME GOSPEL . Yes we been lied to my friend
those who preach pualine are in error , so badly in fact
that if it were possible
Pauls dust would rise from the ground and REBUKE the entire lott of this pauline generation . They dont even follow or beleive
paul .

 

[Behold]

He didnt preach one to the jews and then another one to the house of cornelious .

Exactly.
Peter told those Jews......."repent and be water baptized"......because those JEWS in Acts 2, were told by Peter......"you have slain your Messiah".....and they said........>"what must we do".
Peter told them.....>>"repent and be water baptized"........and that is NOT the Gospel.
That is what John the Baptist was teaching the Jews, before Jesus showed up to start His Ministry.

See, here is the thing.
If you dont know something, you can't teach it or preach it.

So, Peter didnt know that Gentiles could become Christians, so, until he learned this, he was not preaching the True Gospel.

Paul received "the Gospel of the Grace of God" from Jesus, Himself. Peter did not., and that is why the Gospel comes from Paul..
This is why Paul refers to his Gospel, as "MY Gospel".... "that i received from no man, but came from Jesus Himself".

 

[amigo de christo]

Exactly.
Peter told those Jews......."repent and be water baptized"......because those JEWS in Acts 2, were told by Peter......"you have slain your Messiah".....and they said........>"what must we do".
Peter told them.....>>"repent and be water baptized"........and that is NOT the Gospel.
That is what John the Baptist was teaching the Jews, before Jesus showed up to start His Ministry.

See, here is the thing.
If you dont know something, you can't teach it or preach it.

So, Peter didnt know that Gentiles could become Christians, so, until he learned this, he was not preaching the True Gospel.

Paul received "the Gospel of the Grace of God" from Jesus, Himself. Peter did not., and that is why the Gospel comes from Paul..
This is why Paul refers to his Gospel, as "MY Gospel".... "that i received from no man, but came from Jesus Himself".

no you mess up yet again .
PETER preached JESUS to them ,
then after they beleived he had them water baptized .
JUST like even paul had done for a few ,
THEY preached the one same gospel dude .
And yes the early church actually did water baptize
not because they believed as did the RCC
but rather simply because JESUS had said to do this .
They all preached the death , burial and ressurection of CHRIST , the DIRE NEED TO BELIEVE ON HIM .
That is what they all preached to every jew , to every gentile . and of course the new converts
were also water baptized . but again not with the mindset that some think today
as they seem to forget WHO exactly can be water batpized , as pour water on babies and etc
HERE IS WHO is to be water baptized .
SEE here is water , what does HINDER ME from being baptized .
And the answer is , YE MUST BELIEVE BELEIVE AND BELIEVE that JESUS IS THE CHRIST .
so yeah babies dont know squat . people act like the water saves . JESUS SAVES
but of course we still water baptize the new converts .

 

[Behold]

PETER preached JESUS to them ,

But its not the Gospel.

See, we are discussing "THe Gospel"......and this is very specific......it has no water baptism in it.......and it came from Paul.

The Gospel is "the preaching of the Cross".......only...........not "repent and get wet"......>> not "keep commandments, and try to be like Jesus".

Also, the Gospel includes, GENTILES.......and Peter didnt know this, in Acts 2.