Yes.
You believe we are little Jesus'.
It's almost blasphemous.
All the fullness of deity dwelt in Jesus.
I cannot say that for any human person I know...
Colossians 2:9
9 For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,
WHAT IS THE WATER IN JOHN 3:5?
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You believe we are little Jesus'.
It's almost blasphemous.
All the fullness of deity dwelt in Jesus.
I cannot say that for any human person I know...
Colossians 2:9
9 For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,
Waiting on him
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If you need to believe that these references are saying to be dipped in a body of water; then that’s okay.
Waiting on him
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Taken
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In him was the fullness it says, but wouldnt the same fulness belong to the church (His body)
For example, it says
John 1:16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
Even as he says here
John 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one
Even as it speaks of us coming unto the fulness of Christ
Ephes 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ
Gary Mac
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LOL -- I Do? That is hilarious! Jesus was my brother, we have the same Father who is God.
But I am honored that you compare me with him.
You are the one who said it LOL.
Same deity of God is in us all who has received in us His deity to walk in it as He walks in it.
That is because you refuse to walk in it as Jesus did as is command of you if you were of Christ, anointed of God yourself.
Amen and the kingdom of God, His deity, does not come with observation, it is with me, Luke 17:20-21, but obviously not in you for sure!
Gary Mac
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Indeed, a truth. Man is His body, the place God resides, Luke 17:20-21.
I havent seen one yet that walks in the fulness of God as Jesus did as those who are of Christ anointed of God walk in it.
So true, thank you.
Yes Christ in us is Gods glory., we are anointed of God His children sons, who has received from God the same a Jesus did in Matt 3:16 are anointed of God, Christ in us.
Amen and His sons are perfect even as our Father in heaven is perfect, just as my brother Jesus was perfected in Matt 3:16 by receiving from our Father our inheritance of His perfect Love as our own disposition. A Wonderful state of being for sure!
Good post, thank you.
Sadly most here totally reject to be that son, that person of Christ who is anointed of God. In fact I have not heard from not one who is of Christ, anointed of God as Jesus was anointed of God to be Gods person of Christ anointed of Him. They worship a god of flesh instead of the God who was in that man Who is supposed to be in them the very same.
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YOU said that baptism is a metaphor and does not wash away sin.
Do you believe the NT or not?
All the verses I posted state that baptism washes away sin.
Should these verses be removed from the New Testament according to you?
or
Maybe you'd like to post some scripture that states that baptism is NOT necessary?
Even Jesus said that the Apostles should go to all nations and teach and BAPTIZE. Matthew 28:19
Do you not even believe Jesus?
That we are little Jesus' ?
§Where does Paul state this?
I remember that Paul exhorts us to good behavior in every letter he wrote.
Did Jesus need to be exhorted to behave properly?
Please don't judge a person's soul Gary Mac.
God did NOT go on vacation and put YOU in charge.
Thanks.
Gary Mac
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Waiting on him
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Water Baptism is imaginary, just because your unable to see something doesn’t mean it isn’t viewable by others.
I’m not stating that your any less a Christian than anyone else here on this forum, but have you ever considered that possibly God reveals Himself to others in different ways?
Waiting on him
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You seem very insincere, so I’ll give you one reference with a question;
Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
— Ephesians 4:13
The question is does this apply to the females in the body also or just the males?
Gary Mac
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Every person needs to be exhorted to behave properly.
If a man goes into a rage into some church and turns over tables and chairs and makes a whip and drives people out, would you consider that as behaving properly?
I bet those at the end of that whip didnt see it as good behavior. Jesus was human just as you and I and obviously he got angry just as you and I can get at times.
Gary Mac
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Just reading what others has to say from beliefs instead of actually encountering God one on one Himself for His baptism for salvation by His Spirit be in them, cannot relate to Gods salvation at all, all they can relate to is mans salvation in a tub of water.
Gary Mac
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In God ,Who simply is Love and the Spirit of and man is the place He resides in His kingdom that man is Luke 17:20-21, there is no distinction between who is of Love and who isnt. All are the same in His anointing, which is Christos, anointed of God.
Perfection? Be ye therefore perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect Matt 5:48. How does that happen, by man dipping another in a tub of water or a river or sprinkled or splashed by water, or does that happen in man who God comes and renews ones mind to think in His terms of Love that saves that person from himself in carnality?
When one finally sees that God is not a man but is a Spirit of Love and man is the recipient of, only then will they be Christos, saints, anointed of it. Jesus came to that realization in Matt 3:16 when God entered him and anointed Jesus with His same disposition of Love. Renewing his mind from as traditions to think in His terms instead, and not before, or Matt 3;16 would not have even been written.
Christ comes from the Greek word χριστός (chrīstós), meaning "anointed one". The word is derived from the Greek verb χρίω (chrī́ō), meaning "to anoint." In the Greek Septuagint, χριστός was a semantic loan used to translate the Hebrew מָשִׁיחַ (Mašíaḥ, messiah), meaning "[one who is] anointed".
Paul came up with that term Christ at Antioch, before that in the old we who are anointed of Gods same Spirit of mind were referred to as Christos, saints.
The term saint is derived from the Latin word sanctus, meaning "holy" or "consecrated." This is, in turn, a direct translation of the Greek word "άγιος" (hagios), which also means "holy." In its original scriptural usage it simply means "holy" or "sanctified."
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Gary Mac
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OK I won't judge them as they judge me LOL
Now you are getting the message, thank you for that confirmation.
You are welcome.
BTW, where did I judge anyone? It isnt up to me to judge anyone as they judge me for blasphamey and Jesus is accused of the same when all that I do is quote who he said he was in God and you are supposed to have the same as he received from God, no different that I am in our Father Who is God.
Paul thought he was a little Jesus.
OK
I really don't care to discuss wild Christian claims.
We have enough disagreement between ourselves that we don't need to add to it with nonsense.
Gary Mac
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Yes and a whole lot more follow Pauls doctrine about Jesus than ever did follow Jesus in who he said he was in God.
Me either that is why I only copy and past who Jesus said he was in God.
Amen, Im liking you more and more.
When the NT speaks about Jesus having the fullness of God it's to demonstrate that He IS God.
If we say we have the same fulness...aren't we saying we're little gods??
As to the fullness of Jesus belonging to the church...
I think this is out of the context of what is being said
but I've never really thought of this and have never heard it taught.
It could be correct....maybe this is why we say that even though the church can be corrupted...
God's Church never can be.
This just means that we live off the grace of God/Jesus.
John 1:16
| Verse New International Version Out of his fullness we have all received grace in place of grace already given. New Living Translation From his abundance we have all received one gracious blessing after another. English Standard Version For from his fullness we have all received, grace upon grace. Amplified Bible For out of His fullness [the superabundance of His grace and truth] we have all received grace upon grace [spiritual blessing upon spiritual blessing, favor upon favor, and gift heaped upon gift]. |
Jesus is stating that He wants us (we Christians) to be of one heart and of one mind.
John 17:23
New International Version
I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.
New Living Translation
I am in them and you are in me. May they experience such perfect unity that the world will know that you sent me and that you love them as much as you love me.
English Standard Version
I in them and you in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that you sent me and loved them even as you loved me.
Berean Standard Bible
I in them and You in Me—that they may be perfectly united, so that the world may know that You sent Me and have loved them just as You have loved Me.
Ephesians 4:13 tell us that we are to be mature Christians...skilled workers...working together,,,fully developed in Christ.
New International Version
until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.
New Living Translation
This will continue until we all come to such unity in our faith and knowledge of God’s Son that we will be mature in the Lord, measuring up to the full and complete standard of Christ.
English Standard Version
until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to mature manhood, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ,
Berean Standard Bible
until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God, as we mature to the full measure of the stature of Christ.
Amplified Bible
until we all reach oneness in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God, [growing spiritually] to become a mature believer, reaching to the measure of the fullness of Christ [manifesting His spiritual completeness and exercising our spiritual gifts in unity].
As you can see, none of the above scriptures which YOU posted state that we will become LIKE Christ...
Jesus said that only God is good...so what you're stating would be a contradiction.
It's important to really understand what a verse is stating.
I like versions that are easy to understand so that there's no misunderstanding.
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