WHAT IS THE WATER IN JOHN 3:5?

[GodsGrace]

Yeah, the point was you had used the Jews accusation against Jesus (who said he was the Son of God) who did not quote to them the equally found in Psalm 45:6-7 "thy throne O God" as unto the singular Son of God as is shown us in Hebrews 1:8 but rather (to their accusation) he quoted Psalm 82:6 to them (plurally) which would equally apply as far as the children of God are called gods there.

Right.
But I believe I showed what the problem is.
Jesus was claiming to be God.

 

[Muna]

Right.
But I believe I showed what the problem is.
Jesus was claiming to be God.

You mean by his saying, " I and my Father are one."?

 

[GodsGrace]

Who is playing? Only the ones who falsely accuse me of being God, or Jesus are the victims of ignorance.

It doesnt at all. I really am not God as many say that I think that I am.

Sure they have, Several has commented that GaryMac thinks he is God. or GaryMacs thinks he is Jesus, LOL. That finite mentality only comes from a mind that is lame.


Well even a squirrel finds the nut once in a while. Sure they had a few things too say that Jesus said that can be identified with who Jesus said he was in God and we should have the same in us. Without a doubt, but I do not follow them at all, I compare them with what they say with who Jesus said he was in God, just as I do you in comparing what you say with who Jesus said he was in God.

As for me Jesus had it all right, and we must have that same mind in us who was in Jesus to have not right ourselves.

I realize that isnt good enough for you to have, but that is the way of God, and you listen to others instead of Jesus for who you would be the same as he in the Father. It isnt that you cant be like the Father perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect, it is that you choose the doctrines of man instead in imperfections. sin.


Jim Jones, David Koresh, Warren Jeffs, considered it as well didnt they! And taught it according to their own understanding just as nearly all belief systems do.

Yes, Quotes of Jesus for sure. Not quotes of John LOL.


No man preexists until man and woman come together to produce a man child. Same with God Who is a Spirit and not a man, no man is born of God until they come together and produce His child. As for me I am born of God, His child, born again of His same Spirit.


I have copied and pasted over and over who Jesus said he was in God and when Jesus actually met God in Matt 3:16. No man preexists before he is born flesh. son of man.

You see, right here is where ignorance takes presence for you. Christ, is not a man, Christ is Gods anointing in man and has preexisted and starting in Adam he was the very first to receive Gods anointing to become like Him to know this difference between his mortal man in that finite knowledge, to God actually anointing Him by His preexisting Spirit to become like God to know that same difference as Jesus learned of in Matt 3:16 when God opened the very same knowledge in Jesus that He did in Adam.

The first man Adam as of flesh and the knowledge of flesh, that second man Adam was of Spirit, born again of Spirit that God is to know this difference. Gen 3:22. .

That first man Jesus was of flesh and of the laws for flesh and taught those laws as rabbi of the Jewish belief system for a god, That second man Jesus was born of Spirit that is not flesh at all but is the mind of, that is not flesh and bone.

Until you are born again of God as these were by God Himself open in them all of it, you never ever will understand that difference between a god of flesh, a man, and the GHod of Spirit who was in that man.

Here, I'll post again who Christ is, for you must not have read it the first few times that I posted this.

Christ comes from the Greek word χριστός (chrīstós), meaning "anointed one". The word is derived from the Greek verb χρίω (chrī́ō), meaning "to anoint." In the Greek Septuagint, χριστός was a semantic loan used to translate the Hebrew מָשִׁיחַ (Mašíaḥ, messiah), meaning "[one who is] anointed".

Paul came up with that nickname for Christos to Christ at Antioch, before that in the old we who are anointed of Gods same Spirit of mind were referred to as Christos, saints.

The term saint is derived from the Latin word sanctus, meaning "holy" or "consecrated." This is, in turn, a direct translation of the Greek word "άγιος" (hagios), which also means "holy." In its original scriptural usage it simply means "holy" or "sanctified."

And either you are or you are not of Christos, A saint that is anointed of God. And obviously we both know where you stand in that scenario.

See Gary Mac.

You DO believe you're God.
Take a look at your last sentence.
How do YOU know where @ProDeo fits in that scenario?
You DO NOT.
Only God can know that.

I've said this to you before...
you really must stop judging person's souls.
On another Forum..you'd be banned by now.

YOU are not Jesus
YOU are not God.

Only God can know a person's soul.

Also you used the word HOLY to describe the word HOLY.
That's like saying WATER IS LIKE WATER.
You haven't explained it, have you.

Want to try again?
What does HOLY mean? OR What does SANCTIFIED mean?
Same difference.

You really should join a bible believing church that teaches mainline Christianity.
You really should stop judging person's souls.

It's not befitting a Christian person that understands the bible.

 

[ProDeo]

You mean by his saying, " I and my Father are one."?

Among a lot of other passages, the Trinity is all over the NT, even in the OT.

 

[GodsGrace]

You mean by his saying, " I and my Father are one."?

Didn't I just explain to the best of my ability the correlation between John 10:34....
and Psalm 82:6-7?

But, yes, I and THE FATHER are ONE is good.
John 10:30 I believe.

 

[Muna]

Didn't I just explain to the best of my ability the correlation between John 10:34....
and Psalm 82:6-7?

But, yes, I and THE FATHER are ONE is good.
John 10:30 I believe.

Maybe I am not catching the argument correctly, you are not saying the Jesus is saying He is God the Father, in his oneness with His Father (I and the Father are one) for which they sought to accuse him of blasphemey and thus justifying the Jews accusation against him in making himself God (in that saying) when all he was saying was the is the Son of God and to wit, "the God was in Christ" (He in the Father and the Father in him).

You don't see that as incorrect do you?

 

[Gary Mac]

Your statements create much conflict in scripture.

If I copy and past what it says, how can there be a conflict in it? It is what it is. Now if you interpret it from your own mind without the mind of of God Who is the Spirit of, then there is where the conflicts manifest. But as far as the Bible that is spiritually written in, there is no conflicts at all. Only those with that flesh mentality, carnality, conflict with it.

Also, as I've stated before...
you have a language not understood by me.

And I do understand that perfectly. The very same reason the Jews did not understand Jesus language because it is not of mans mentality, it is of Gods mentality. And until one is born again by God Himself give you that language that the flesh cannot understand, one will never know the meanings in it. Jesus was prime example of this. He only know the carnal side of mans beliefs as rabbi of its its understandings of the Jews, but when God Himself cam and open in Jesus a new language, a new heaven and earth where all things became new to Jesus, only then did he understand who God really is and where He resides in His kingdom and thus learned that the kingdom of God doesnt come with observation, it isnt a pace we go to and observe, it is with you. Luke 17:20-21.

If that is a conflict, then something is missing in your understanding of it.

I'm not familiar with the religion you're following...

That is because it isnt a religion at all. It is who we become. Religions are only of beliefs, with nothing real to lay your mind on just guesswork. But in God all things become new, and noting is hidden that was hidden, for we become just as the author of it is, we walk as He walks, we are perfect even as He is perfect.

How can that be? So very simple, God is Love and man is the place He resides in His kingdom. Perfect as He is perfect? There is only one thing on this planet that is Perfect and that is God, He never changes, is the same yesterday as He is today and will be the very same tomorrow, And that is Love, Love is static, it never changes is the same yesterday as today and will be the same tomorrow -- NOW, everything else changes, everything, except Love and man is the kingdom in which God resides in it.

It is so simple, but man in his beliefs for a god has made it so difficult they cant even understand what they believe.

it does NOT sound like Christianity..but some kind of cult.

Why? if Love that God is, is a cult. For God is Love, the Spirit of, tell us why you say Love is a cult?

I'm sorry to say this Gary Mac...you sound like a nice person...

Well thank you -- not many share your sentiments.

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I just cannot reply to what you post.

I understand, I really do. I understand because I once was of the beliefs of man for a god, taught it, preached it for many years that Jesus was God. But upon a day I was reading what Jesus said of himself and thought, something isnt adding up here in my beliefs about him. SO I prayed this very prayer to God Himself, and even said it outlaoud and I was alone with no one around. God if you re who you say you are and who Jesus said he was in you, then you yourself is going to have to show me that what you showed Jesus in Matt 3:16.

About 5-6 months later in November of 1994, God did that very thing, And what I thought as of being saved, and born again was not even close to who God explained who He is Himself.

Now if that sounds far fetched. Look at what happened in Adam when he met God in the garden and became like God to know that same difference as I learned, Gen 3;22. as Abraham learned by the same Spirit, as Moses learned by that same Spirit, as Mary learned, Jesus learned in Matt 3:16, as 120 learned in an upper room by that same Spirit. And who I actually saw what God is trying to convey in man, I was just as Thomas and said outlet, my Lod and my God, how did I so miss you all these years, and do you know what He said back to me, not in an audible voice but in spirit? because I was listening to mans ideas for a god instead of listening to God Himself. And how how does one hear? By reading what the instructions in what they say and following them instead of trying to construct my own heaven and earth and my own ideas of a god of it.

And after that I could no longer sit in a pew devised by man and I went out to people who needed help, needed a friend they could talk to and lean on, so I started going into prisons, and never ever preached, about God or Jesus, but only to make a friend in need, and there are may of them in prisons who just needs a touch of genuine love without stipulations without laws to govern that says you must or you must not, But to wrap my arms around them with a shoulder they could cry on and I cried bak on many of these.

Some inmates accepted my friendship but most are so skeptical of mans motives, especially those claiming to be Christian that I never ever did, these so called Christians made it so hard to simply try and make friends without any motives only because of Love, they cannot relate to that at all, not can most claiming to be Christian. Their desire to be right overpowers God desire that they be exactly as He is of Love without laws, without trying to follow laws, but in reality become Love and in that, is all of Gods heaven, nothing more or anything less.

The reward of His heaven? Is when one of these minds that is so full of hate, gets down on his knees in remorse and and cries out all that hatred, meanness, lying, and turned into a loving man of God. I saw that happen over and over and never ever preached a word about Jesus or God unless they ask of me, and when thy have learned that trust in me that my motives were pure and of Love for them, then my reward was given me and I cam out with a smile on my face and a tear in my eye rejoicing that one came to realize what Love really is and God is of.

I did that for over 25 years, and never darkened one of these establishments of man for enterprise, instead of for Go of Love, no need when the God of Love is my life.

In those 25 yeas I would walk up to a cell and had inmates actually throw urine in my face, or dung, or coffee or some other things. And all I would say is did that take you happy, did that make you more the man? I only came here to see if there is anything I can do for you and make a friend. DO you have a message for someone outside that I can relay a message to. What can I do for you. And it was always these who were the worse are th every ones who gained my trust. Some got out on parole and started their own fellowship, some went back into prisons and started doing what I did. But a lot more would not let me be their friend than those who did. And I underrated that.

I became clergy going into hospitals, especially Cook Children's hospital, and would sit in the waiting rooms and strike up a conversation with parents who child was in dire straight in emergency rooms. where they could not even go in to see their child but because I was clergy they could not keep me from going in to pray and I would go back to the parents and give reports for how their child was doing. Saw many healed, saw many die. Some tried to blame God for their Childs death, some listen to me and understood god didnt kill them. Seeing that life in the flesh and what it brings.

I could go on and on about this, and street and food ministry, rest homes for old folk. Why did I do it? because I wanted to, not because som law for a belief said I should. It is who I became when I saw God Himself and said here I am look at Me.

I hope this helps you understand where I am coming from. In that I do not toot my own horn no more than Jesus did, for he was very clear that he could have done noting at all without his God of Love that he was of sent him. same One sent me. And I have testimonies stacked on testimonies what God did in peoples lives. And that was my reward.

Im an old man now retired from all my travels, and have been for 10 yers, I spent the year 2010 in the jungles of west Africa, which was an enlightening experience, but now that I am to old to travel like that, I still try and get across to man there is a better way of understanding then what man says about a god. It is who we become, not what we belief of it. And that is what I use the internet for. Sadly it is much harder to be a witness of God as Jesus was to these than it is to do it face to face.

I really do hope that this might at least give a little inside for why I say what I do that Jesus said of himself the very same for the very same reason. At lest you are kind enough to at least ask why I say what I do. And I thank you for that.

Perhaps someday I may share with you my trips into the Texas Youth Commission where the inmates were 13 years old - 19 years old. Such a very sad and heart breaking time in all my journeys.
Gary

 

[Behold]

You dont understands who or what Christ is. Christ isnt a man at all,

Jesus (The Man) said...


""""Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.”

New Living Translation
Look at my hands. Look at my feet. You can see that it’s really me. Touch me and make sure that I am not a ghost, because ghosts don’t have bodies, as you see that I do.”

English Standard Version
See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me, and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.”

Berean Standard Bible
Look at My hands and My feet. It is I Myself. Touch Me and see—for a spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.”

Berean Literal Bible
See My hands and My feet, that I am He. Touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see Me having."

King James Bible
Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

New King James Version
Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.”

New American Standard Bible
See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, because a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you plainly see that I have.”

NASB 1995
“See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.”

NASB 1977
“See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.”

Legacy Standard Bible
See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.”

Amplified Bible
Look at [the marks in] My hands and My feet, [and see] that it is I Myself. Touch Me and see; a spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see that I have.”

 

[Gary Mac]

Yeah, the point was you had used the Jews accusation against Jesus (who said he was the Son of God) who did not quote to them the equally found in Psalm 45:6-7 "thy throne O God" as unto the singular Son of God as is shown us in Hebrews 1:8 but rather (to their accusation) he quoted Psalm 82:6 to them (plurally) which would equally apply as far as the children of God are called gods there.

Singular son of God? But God has many sons. Im one of them.

 

[Gary Mac]

Jesus (The Man) said...


""""Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.”

New Living Translation
Look at my hands. Look at my feet. You can see that it’s really me. Touch me and make sure that I am not a ghost, because ghosts don’t have bodies, as you see that I do.”

English Standard Version
See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me, and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.”

Berean Standard Bible
Look at My hands and My feet. It is I Myself. Touch Me and see—for a spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.”

Berean Literal Bible
See My hands and My feet, that I am He. Touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see Me having."

King James Bible
Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

New King James Version
Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.”

New American Standard Bible
See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, because a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you plainly see that I have.”

NASB 1995
“See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.”

NASB 1977
“See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.”

Legacy Standard Bible
See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.”

Amplified Bible
Look at [the marks in] My hands and My feet, [and see] that it is I Myself. Touch Me and see; a spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see that I have.”

Amen. God is a Spirit, not a man at all. Thank you for that proof text.

 

[Muna]

Singular son of God? But God has many sons. Im one of them.

You missed the point as usual

 

[Gary Mac]

You missed the point as usual

Explain your point so we may discus it.

 

[Gary Mac]

Jesus (The Man) said...


""""Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.”

New Living Translation
Look at my hands. Look at my feet. You can see that it’s really me. Touch me and make sure that I am not a ghost, because ghosts don’t have bodies, as you see that I do.”

English Standard Version
See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me, and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.”

Berean Standard Bible
Look at My hands and My feet. It is I Myself. Touch Me and see—for a spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.”

Berean Literal Bible
See My hands and My feet, that I am He. Touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see Me having."

King James Bible
Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

New King James Version
Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.”

New American Standard Bible
See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, because a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you plainly see that I have.”

NASB 1995
“See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.”

NASB 1977
“See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.”

Legacy Standard Bible
See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.”

Amplified Bible
Look at [the marks in] My hands and My feet, [and see] that it is I Myself. Touch Me and see; a spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see that I have.”

Christ in me is the same anointing from God Himself as Jesus was anointed of. If it is impossible for you to be anointed of God, which would be Christos in you, Then it is very clear why your god is a man instead.

 

[JLB]

Hi JLB
Yes,,,I've always believed this but am beginning to consider baptism.
But it does make sense to me...
one has to be born of flesh: Body and soul
and then also spiritually: Spirit

Thanks!

‘Water baptism is for those who are already born again, saved.


Jesus is teaching Nicodemus how to become born again.


Jesus is not teaching Nicodemus water baptism.


Jesus uses natural birth to teach Nicodemus about spiritual birth.

Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. John 3:5-6

born of water = born of the flesh

and the Spirit = born of the Spirit

If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things?
John 3:12

 

[Gary Mac]

‘Water baptism is for those who are already born again, saved.

Water baptism is of man own ritual who has not been baptized by God Himself by the Spirit of mind that He is. Man uses water as an excuse to make their own laws for what it is to be born again a cleansing of the flesh that stinks, to take the place of being born again by God Himself coming to you and perfecting you into Hi same image.

Jesus is teaching Nicodemus how to become born again.

Yes and Matt 3;16 was his renewing of mind that what born again really is, God Himself opening in us who He is and all of His heaven in us.

Jesus is not teaching Nicodemus water baptism.

Amen.

Jesus uses natural birth to teach Nicodemus about spiritual birth.

Yes and they are not the same birth at all.

Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. John 3:5-6

Yes as I stated, water washes the flesh from all impurities, God washes the mind of all impurities and replaces with Love instead.

born of water = born of the flesh

and the Spirit = born of the Spirit

If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things?
John 3:12

Very good post, thank you.

 

[Waiting on him]

Jesus (The Man) said...


""""Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.”

New Living Translation
Look at my hands. Look at my feet. You can see that it’s really me. Touch me and make sure that I am not a ghost, because ghosts don’t have bodies, as you see that I do.”

English Standard Version
See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me, and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.”

Berean Standard Bible
Look at My hands and My feet. It is I Myself. Touch Me and see—for a spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.”

Berean Literal Bible
See My hands and My feet, that I am He. Touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see Me having."

King James Bible
Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

New King James Version
Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.”

New American Standard Bible
See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, because a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you plainly see that I have.”

NASB 1995
“See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.”

NASB 1977
“See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.”

Legacy Standard Bible
See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.”

Amplified Bible
Look at [the marks in] My hands and My feet, [and see] that it is I Myself. Touch Me and see; a spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see that I have.”

God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
— John 4:24

 

[Behold]

God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
— John 4:24

"God is A Spirit".

"Jesus is THAT Spirit".

And to worship God correctly, is to be born again by The Holy Spirit, as 'in Christ" and "one with God".

So, from this spiritual stature, the CHRISTian, an "heir of God".... is able to worship God truly = "IN SPIRIT"... as well as in Truth.

And there is no other way.

 

[Muna]

Explain your point so we may discus it.

There is nothing to discuss if you missed the point between the verses I posted

ohn 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods (plural)? (which is from Psalm 82:6)

Psalm 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods (plural); and all of you are children (plurally) of the most High.

John 10:35 If he called them (plurally) gods (plural), unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

John 10:36 Say ye of him (singular) whom (singular) the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Jesus quotes Pslam 82:6 concerning them (plurally) where it can easily be understood to be equally applied to him (singulary) as well as them (as being children / sons of God) in the context of "Ye are gods"

When Jesus could have (but he does not) quote Psalm 45:6-7 which would make it solely about himself (singularly) as the Son of God seeing as Psalm 45:6-7 is speaking only of the only begotten Son of God as Hebrews 1:3 likewise confirms.

Hebrews 1:3 But unto the Son (singular) he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Psalm 45:7 Thou (singularly) lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee (singularly) with the oil of gladness above thy fellows (plural).

So when they run off of "I and the Father are one" implying he is making himself God, he does not pull out Psalm 45:7 which shows God the Father addressing another as God (which applies to Jesus Christ). But Jesus rather takes the mentions of plural gods (in the context of his own claim, "I am the Son of God") and there is nothing they can say to that because its in their own law and Jesus points out it cannot be broken. I believe it was a great move on his part.

But you did not compare between the verses which adress only one (which is the only begotten of God as God, who is anointed above his fellows) verses Psalm 82:6 which makes their accusation void in light of the children of God (in the plural sense) adressed in that way. This is why I said you missed the point as you went on to declare yourself a son of God, Jesus directed the children (plural) of the most high verse back at them.

As far as dicussing it with you, not interested in your kind of back and forth.

 

[Waiting on him]

If I copy and past what it says, how can there be a conflict in it? It is what it is. Now if you interpret it from your own mind without the mind of of God Who is the Spirit of, then there is where the conflicts manifest. But as far as the Bible that is spiritually written in, there is no conflicts at all. Only those with that flesh mentality, carnality, conflict with it.


And I do understand that perfectly. The very same reason the Jews did not understand Jesus language because it is not of mans mentality, it is of Gods mentality. And until one is born again by God Himself give you that language that the flesh cannot understand, one will never know the meanings in it. Jesus was prime example of this. He only know the carnal side of mans beliefs as rabbi of its its understandings of the Jews, but when God Himself cam and open in Jesus a new language, a new heaven and earth where all things became new to Jesus, only then did he understand who God really is and where He resides in His kingdom and thus learned that the kingdom of God doesnt come with observation, it isnt a pace we go to and observe, it is with you. Luke 17:20-21.

If that is a conflict, then something is missing in your understanding of it.



That is because it isnt a religion at all. It is who we become. Religions are only of beliefs, with nothing real to lay your mind on just guesswork. But in God all things become new, and noting is hidden that was hidden, for we become just as the author of it is, we walk as He walks, we are perfect even as He is perfect.

How can that be? So very simple, God is Love and man is the place He resides in His kingdom. Perfect as He is perfect? There is only one thing on this planet that is Perfect and that is God, He never changes, is the same yesterday as He is today and will be the very same tomorrow, And that is Love, Love is static, it never changes is the same yesterday as today and will be the same tomorrow -- NOW, everything else changes, everything, except Love and man is the kingdom in which God resides in it.

It is so simple, but man in his beliefs for a god has made it so difficult they cant even understand what they believe.


Why? if Love that God is, is a cult. For God is Love, the Spirit of, tell us why you say Love is a cult?

Well thank you -- not many share your sentiments.


I understand, I really do. I understand because I once was of the beliefs of man for a god, taught it, preached it for many years that Jesus was God. But upon a day I was reading what Jesus said of himself and thought, something isnt adding up here in my beliefs about him. SO I prayed this very prayer to God Himself, and even said it outlaoud and I was alone with no one around. God if you re who you say you are and who Jesus said he was in you, then you yourself is going to have to show me that what you showed Jesus in Matt 3:16.

About 5-6 months later in November of 1994, God did that very thing, And what I thought as of being saved, and born again was not even close to who God explained who He is Himself.

Now if that sounds far fetched. Look at what happened in Adam when he met God in the garden and became like God to know that same difference as I learned, Gen 3;22. as Abraham learned by the same Spirit, as Moses learned by that same Spirit, as Mary learned, Jesus learned in Matt 3:16, as 120 learned in an upper room by that same Spirit. And who I actually saw what God is trying to convey in man, I was just as Thomas and said outlet, my Lod and my God, how did I so miss you all these years, and do you know what He said back to me, not in an audible voice but in spirit? because I was listening to mans ideas for a god instead of listening to God Himself. And how how does one hear? By reading what the instructions in what they say and following them instead of trying to construct my own heaven and earth and my own ideas of a god of it.

And after that I could no longer sit in a pew devised by man and I went out to people who needed help, needed a friend they could talk to and lean on, so I started going into prisons, and never ever preached, about God or Jesus, but only to make a friend in need, and there are may of them in prisons who just needs a touch of genuine love without stipulations without laws to govern that says you must or you must not, But to wrap my arms around them with a shoulder they could cry on and I cried bak on many of these.

Some inmates accepted my friendship but most are so skeptical of mans motives, especially those claiming to be Christian that I never ever did, these so called Christians made it so hard to simply try and make friends without any motives only because of Love, they cannot relate to that at all, not can most claiming to be Christian. Their desire to be right overpowers God desire that they be exactly as He is of Love without laws, without trying to follow laws, but in reality become Love and in that, is all of Gods heaven, nothing more or anything less.

The reward of His heaven? Is when one of these minds that is so full of hate, gets down on his knees in remorse and and cries out all that hatred, meanness, lying, and turned into a loving man of God. I saw that happen over and over and never ever preached a word about Jesus or God unless they ask of me, and when thy have learned that trust in me that my motives were pure and of Love for them, then my reward was given me and I cam out with a smile on my face and a tear in my eye rejoicing that one came to realize what Love really is and God is of.

I did that for over 25 years, and never darkened one of these establishments of man for enterprise, instead of for Go of Love, no need when the God of Love is my life.

In those 25 yeas I would walk up to a cell and had inmates actually throw urine in my face, or dung, or coffee or some other things. And all I would say is did that take you happy, did that make you more the man? I only came here to see if there is anything I can do for you and make a friend. DO you have a message for someone outside that I can relay a message to. What can I do for you. And it was always these who were the worse are th every ones who gained my trust. Some got out on parole and started their own fellowship, some went back into prisons and started doing what I did. But a lot more would not let me be their friend than those who did. And I underrated that.

I became clergy going into hospitals, especially Cook Children's hospital, and would sit in the waiting rooms and strike up a conversation with parents who child was in dire straight in emergency rooms. where they could not even go in to see their child but because I was clergy they could not keep me from going in to pray and I would go back to the parents and give reports for how their child was doing. Saw many healed, saw many die. Some tried to blame God for their Childs death, some listen to me and understood god didnt kill them. Seeing that life in the flesh and what it brings.

I could go on and on about this, and street and food ministry, rest homes for old folk. Why did I do it? because I wanted to, not because som law for a belief said I should. It is who I became when I saw God Himself and said here I am look at Me.

I hope this helps you understand where I am coming from. In that I do not toot my own horn no more than Jesus did, for he was very clear that he could have done noting at all without his God of Love that he was of sent him. same One sent me. And I have testimonies stacked on testimonies what God did in peoples lives. And that was my reward.

Im an old man now retired from all my travels, and have been for 10 yers, I spent the year 2010 in the jungles of west Africa, which was an enlightening experience, but now that I am to old to travel like that, I still try and get across to man there is a better way of understanding then what man says about a god. It is who we become, not what we belief of it. And that is what I use the internet for. Sadly it is much harder to be a witness of God as Jesus was to these than it is to do it face to face.

I really do hope that this might at least give a little inside for why I say what I do that Jesus said of himself the very same for the very same reason. At lest you are kind enough to at least ask why I say what I do. And I thank you for that.

Perhaps someday I may share with you my trips into the Texas Youth Commission where the inmates were 13 years old - 19 years old. Such a very sad and heart breaking time in all my journeys.
Gary

lol, it’s like reading the Gospels, and the religious dictators of his time couldn’t understand a word he was saying.

 

[Gary Mac]

lol, it’s like reading the Gospels, and the religious dictators of his time couldn’t understand a word he was saying.

Exactly the very same here in this very forum.