if i wanted to become a catholic

[amigo de christo]

OK
You're not a Calvinist.

many are now an inclusivist , YES that which is of anti christ and yet they know it not .
I am long wore out with what i am seeing going on in them churches .
JESUS has been denied . I repeat DENIED and they think its love and of GOD . On the day of the LORD
they will know they were DEAD WRONG and will recieve NO MERCY .
we better expose this all inclusive interfaith co exist dung hole lie for what it is
and do remember WE HAVE NO COMMON GROUND with darkness , SO STOP TRYING TO FIND IT CHURCHES .
preach JESUS now . and ALL biblical doctrine .
For satan has come in as the love god now , which many in even christendom now beleive is love and is GOD .
OH its real bad and its infected so many already and it will only get worse .

 

[amigo de christo]

You said this.

Any system that adds works,

(you do not believe in any system that adds works.)

So do you believe you are to do good works or not?

This seems to me to have become a very confused question for some.
They reply that, yes, we are to do good works...
but somehow they are not necessary.


I believe our good works keep us saved because we're being obedient to Jesus and Jesus said to do them.

And of course AFTER salvation...
are those unsaved required to do good works?
No.

Let me ask you a real simple question .
What common ground do we beleivers have with anti christ and satan . NONE right .
SO WHY are folks trying to find common ground with him .
TRYING to find common ground with false religoins for so called world peace .
IS OF ANTI CHRIST who by THIS PEACE darn sure is gonna destroy many .
WE DO NOT have anything in common with darkness . ITS JESUS Preaching time . we been LIED TOO . I repeat LIED TOO .

 

[GodsGrace]

many are now an inclusivist , YES that which is of anti christ and yet they know it not .
I am long wore out with what i am seeing going on in them churches .
JESUS has been denied . I repeat DENIED and they think its love and of GOD . On the day of the LORD
they will know they were DEAD WRONG and will recieve NO MERCY .
we better expose this all inclusive interfaith co exist dung hole lie for what it is
and do remember WE HAVE NO COMMON GROUND with darkness , SO STOP TRYING TO FIND IT CHURCHES .
preach JESUS now . and ALL biblical doctrine .
For satan has come in as the love god now , which many in even christendom now beleive is love and is GOD .
OH its real bad and its infected so many already and it will only get worse .

Amigo....I have become non-denominational...so you're preaching to the choir!
I'm not Catholic due to the dogmas....
I'm having problems with Protestantism because we can't make up our mind what we believe...
so....just trust in God. And obey Him.

 

[amigo de christo]

Amigo....I have become non-denominational...so you're preaching to the choir!
I'm not Catholic due to the dogmas....
I'm having problems with Protestantism because we can't make up our mind what we believe...
so....just trust in God. And obey Him.

my friend i am really gonna need to hear you
say you have nothing to do with this inclusive junk .
That is the glue that is gonna bind all the decieved of christendom
to be as one mind and one heart with all the false relgoins too
under what all will beleive is love and is of GOD and is for world peace n safety .
NOW ITS OF ANTI CHRIST and always remember the devil is very very wise and he does know how to decieve
and he darn sure can say GOD IS LOVE but he will mix a sensual blended love into it . to recreate
this other image of what THEY THINK IS LOVE AND IS GOD . only its the devil himself .

 

[amigo de christo]

Amigo....I have become non-denominational...so you're preaching to the choir!
I'm not Catholic due to the dogmas....
I'm having problems with Protestantism because we can't make up our mind what we believe...
so....just trust in God. And obey Him.

You said we , we cant make our up minds . The sheep already have made up our minds on who and what we beleive .
And it darn sure wont contradict the bible . IT IS GOD , IT IS CHRIST , IT IS TRUTH we beleive
and not men who twist it .
However , yeah i know what you mean about this GENERATION of protestants
THEY have no idea what they beleive , they only seem to beleive in a love that is NOT OF GOD but is of the world .
Doctrine has become of no importance to them , ONLY a distraction , its now all about
lets just love
and yet LOOK at what they love and look at what they hate . FRIEND they hate TRUTH that exposes sins
they have major problems with doctrine and reminders that expose SIN
and now EVEN UNBELIEF . OH YEAH something has went wrong .
SEEKER FRIENDLY , which many thought was a way to save souls and grow churches
OH IT GREW CHURCHES ALL RIGHT , but didnt save SQUAT , it turned them into rebellers against GOD
lovers of sin and haters of truth . the devil is slick . he knows how to make his lies sound loving . HE IS a liar .

 

[amigo de christo]

Amigo....I have become non-denominational...so you're preaching to the choir!
I'm not Catholic due to the dogmas....
I'm having problems with Protestantism because we can't make up our mind what we believe...
so....just trust in God. And obey Him.

You wanna know the two words that literally destroyed their churches and allowed leaven to completely take them all over
and turned them against GOD , HIS WORDS of TRUTH .
THESE TWO WORDS .
JUDGE NOT . satan got them and they loved it . every time one spoke the truth
that exposes sins , errors , lies
IT WAS HEY , JUDGE NOT . JUDGE NOT . well i didnt buy into that false judge not version . AND ITS ABOUT TIME
the churches stopped buying into it as well .
THEY IN SHAMBLES and every time one tries to correct
THEY have now become so hateful they ready to even punch and kick at the few who correct .
THEIR churches are on fire and burning down
and all they do to fix it is say JUDGE NOT , that is THROWING GAS ON THE FIRES .
NOW IT IS TIME TO CORRECT what we can and who we can . NOW. we must get up now
and correct . But be warned they are gonna come at you with teeth . Because this was allowed to go on
for too long and it has turned them DEAD SET against GOD , HIS WORDS and any kind of correction
that exposes the one thing they love above all , THEIR SIN .
but DO NOT GIVE UP , and do not give in and conform either . SPEAK THE TRUTH no matter the cost . some will hear
most will reject .

 

[GodsGrace]

You wanna know the two words that literally destroyed their churches and allowed leaven to completely take them all over
and turned them against GOD , HIS WORDS of TRUTH .
THESE TWO WORDS .
JUDGE NOT . satan got them and they loved it . every time one spoke the truth
that exposes sins , errors , lies
IT WAS HEY , JUDGE NOT . JUDGE NOT . well i didnt buy into that false judge not version . AND ITS ABOUT TIME
the churches stopped buying into it as well .
THEY IN SHAMBLES and every time one tries to correct
THEY have now become so hateful they ready to even punch and kick at the few who correct .
THEIR churches are on fire and burning down
and all they do to fix it is say JUDGE NOT , that is THROWING GAS ON THE FIRES .
NOW IT IS TIME TO CORRECT what we can and who we can . NOW. we must get up now
and correct . But be warned they are gonna come at you with teeth . Because this was allowed to go on
for too long and it has turned them DEAD SET against GOD , HIS WORDS and any kind of correction
that exposes the one thing they love above all , THEIR SIN .
but DO NOT GIVE UP , and do not give in and conform either . SPEAK THE TRUTH no matter the cost . some will hear
most will reject .

Well, if we cannot judge then Matthew 18 makes no sense at all.
Jesus said to approach the one sinning....
if they do not listen go to the elders.
If they still won't listen then He said to treat the sinners like the tax collectors.

If we couldn't judge...
HOW would anyone know who is sinning??

It's the SOUL of persons that we cannot judge.
That's God's job.

 

[amigo de christo]

Amigo....I have become non-denominational...so you're preaching to the choir!
I'm not Catholic due to the dogmas....
I'm having problems with Protestantism because we can't make up our mind what we believe...
so....just trust in God. And obey Him.

That is the solution . TRUST IN GOD OBEY HIM .
THAT IS WHO we can trust in , AND HE HAD A WHOLE LOT OF HOLY SPIRIT INSPIRED WORDS in that bible .
WE CAN TRUST THEM WORDS . We might not understand all , BUT WE CAN DARN SURE TRUST HIS WORDS ARE TRUTH .
That is why i been pleading for all to return to the scrips to learn for themselves .
Cause your right , many have no idea what they beleive and they are so easily led astray by clever men in wool .

 

[amigo de christo]

Well, if we cannot judge then Matthew 18 makes no sense at all.
Jesus said to approach the one sinning....
if they do not listen go to the elders.
If they still won't listen then He said to treat the sinners like the tax collectors.

If we couldn't judge...
HOW would anyone know who is sinning??

It's the SOUL of persons that we cannot judge.
That's God's job.

Exactly . even paul says DO YOU NOT JUDGE THOSE THAT ARE WITHIN .
we supposed to judge behavoir and actions of the church . SUPPOSED TOO .
cause dont ya know even a little leaven can leaven the whole lump .
ITS CONDEMN NOT . we do not condemn them , we rightly judge them and put them OUT
of the church IF they repent not . and if they do repent we welcome them back .

 

[GodsGrace]

Exactly . even paul says DO YOU NOT JUDGE THOSE THAT ARE WITHIN .
we supposed to judge behavoir and actions of the church . SUPPOSED TOO .
cause dont ya know even a little leaven can leaven the whole lump .
ITS CONDEMN NOT . we do not condemn them , we rightly judge them and put them OUT
of the church IF they repent not . and if they do repent we welcome them back .

Yes sir.
This is also what Paul taught to the church in Corinth.

 

[amigo de christo]

Yes sir.
This is also what Paul taught to the church in Corinth.

and what else did paul tell both timothy a leader , a titus a leader . THAT ALSO many would SCREAM IS HATEFUL and JUDGMENTAL .
those who sin REBUKE BEFORE ALL that others may also fear .
YEAH . HE said that too .
REBUKE THEM SHARPLY that they may be SOUND in the faith , not heeding fables and etc .
SO now you know why i am so adamant against this all inclusive interfaith anti christ LIE .
ITS a fable , its anti gospel , and it is anti christ . Someone has to do something .
IF we love the people we would have corrected them and not have allowed sin upon them .
IF we truly loved GOD , CHRIST above all
we had not allowed things that DISHONOR HIM to be done and or taught or even supported by the church .
But reader know and understand
the more abundantely we do love them the less we will be loved . EVEN PUAL knew that and said that .
AND even though we tell them truth
IT will be as THOUGH ,
HAVE I BECOME YOUR ENEMY because I TELL YOU THE TRUTH .
I am telling us there is much work to be done for this people . BUT if we love them WE MUST correct them
and put them back into bibles to learn for themselves .

 

[amigo de christo]

Yes sir.
This is also what Paul taught to the church in Corinth.

IT IS TRENCH TIME IN the building . The hour is late , very late .

 

[GodsGrace]

and what else did paul tell both timothy a leader , a titus a leader . THAT ALSO many would SCREAM IS HATEFUL and JUDGMENTAL .
those who sin REBUKE BEFORE ALL that others may also fear .
YEAH . HE said that too .
REBUKE THEM SHARPLY that they may be SOUND in the faith , not heeding fables and etc .
SO now you know why i am so adamant against this all inclusive interfaith anti christ LIE .
ITS a fable , its anti gospel , and it is anti christ . Someone has to do something .
IF we love the people we would have corrected them and not have allowed sin upon them .
IF we truly loved GOD , CHRIST above all
we had not allowed things that DISHONOR HIM to be done and or taught or even supported by the church .
But reader know and understand
the more abundantely we do love them the less we will be loved . EVEN PUAL knew that and said that .
AND even though we tell them truth
IT will be as THOUGH ,
HAVE I BECOME YOUR ENEMY because I TELL YOU THE TRUTH .
I am telling us there is much work to be done for this people . BUT if we love them WE MUST correct them
and put them back into bibles to learn for themselves .

How does a person change a church?
I know priests personally.
They know what I don't agree with re the CC.
Do you think it does any good?
Sometimes one might even agree with me....
does it change the church?
One time, years ago, one that I don't see much anymore, told me
that the CC wanted to begin baptizing adults but they get too much
push back so they let it go.

Want to know what I think?
I think we better get to know God Almighty,
the creator of the universe...and His Son, Jesus also God,
who came to teach us how to live a Godly life here on earth
and how to get to spend eternity with God.

I hear Christians say some pretty odd stuff on these Forums...
I don't now where they learn it but not from God or His final
revelation...Jesus.

We all have our worries concerning Christianity...
you worry about ecumanism....
I worry about Christians that go about stating we don't need to obey God.
or we don't need to believe that Jesus is God - the VERY CONCEPT for Christianity !

It's in God's hands...
we could post thinking that it might help...
we could announce....
I don't know that we could do much more.
Very late here...
tomorrow.

 

[amigo de christo]

How does a person change a church?
I know priests personally.
They know what I don't agree with re the CC.
Do you think it does any good?
Sometimes one might even agree with me....
does it change the church?
One time, years ago, one that I don't see much anymore, told me
that the CC wanted to begin baptizing adults but they get too much
push back so they let it go.

Want to know what I think?
I think we better get to know God Almighty,
the creator of the universe...and His Son, Jesus also God,
who came to teach us how to live a Godly life here on earth
and how to get to spend eternity with God.

I hear Christians say some pretty odd stuff on these Forums...
I don't now where they learn it but not from God or His final
revelation...Jesus.

We all have our worries concerning Christianity...
you worry about ecumanism....
I worry about Christians that go about stating we don't need to obey God.
or we don't need to believe that Jesus is God - the VERY CONCEPT for Christianity !

It's in God's hands...
we could post thinking that it might help...
we could announce....
I don't know that we could do much more.
Very late here...
tomorrow.

The hour is very late in Italy .
But then by the signs of the times the HOUR be late everywhere in this world . The coming of the GLORIOUS KING JESUS
draws ever nigh . And what a day of rejoicing that will be for all the sheep forever with THE LORD .

 

[amigo de christo]

How does a person change a church?
I know priests personally.
They know what I don't agree with re the CC.
Do you think it does any good?
Sometimes one might even agree with me....
does it change the church?
One time, years ago, one that I don't see much anymore, told me
that the CC wanted to begin baptizing adults but they get too much
push back so they let it go.

Want to know what I think?
I think we better get to know God Almighty,
the creator of the universe...and His Son, Jesus also God,
who came to teach us how to live a Godly life here on earth
and how to get to spend eternity with God.

I hear Christians say some pretty odd stuff on these Forums...
I don't now where they learn it but not from God or His final
revelation...Jesus.

We all have our worries concerning Christianity...
you worry about ecumanism....
I worry about Christians that go about stating we don't need to obey God.
or we don't need to believe that Jesus is God - the VERY CONCEPT for Christianity !

It's in God's hands...
we could post thinking that it might help...
we could announce....
I don't know that we could do much more.
Very late here...
tomorrow.

The two are one . for if we examine this interfaith ecumincism
IT has DENIED THE DIRE NEED TO OBEY GOD the FATHER who DID TESTIFY OF THE SON .
as it now hollers lies to the false religoins and to christendom .
ONE THING that is well known about GOD . HE has always desired OBEDIANCE . YES , OBEDIANCE .

 

[bdavidc]

well the all inclusive lie of anti christ and of satan by means of intefaith sure has convinced
even a lot of christains SO CALLED ANYWAY , that its not even necessary to have had to beleive on JESUS .
THEY HUGGING MUSLIMS and KISSING KORANS and beleiving we all coming to the same GOD .
IT didnt suprise me that the false religoins have bought into the lie
BUT CHRISTAINS , WELL me oh my , WE NEVER SHOULD HAVE . it is NOT looking good at all in these last and
yes i said last , and final hours on this earth . JESUS will TREAD the MIGHTY WINEPRESS of the wrath of GOD
upon this people . FOR JESUS has been denied and a false love god has become their GOD . THIS is a very highly
deceptive deceptoin , for it has come in using the phrase GOD IS LOVE and yet BY this love
HAS MADE THE PATH TO HIM VERY BROAD AND SIN ACCEPTING , EVEN UNBELIEF ACCEPTING . many now buy it .
WE BETTER NOT buy it .

I agree completely with you. The interfaith "all roads lead to God" message is one of the biggest lies that Satan is propagating these days. Jesus made it very clear: "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes to the Father, but by me" (John 14:6). There is no other way.

It is sad to see professing Christians fall for it, but we must not be surprised. Scripture tells us that in the last days many will depart from the truth (2 Timothy 4:3-4). But a true born again Christian will not be permitted by the Spirit of God to remain in such deception. "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me" (John 10:27). A true believer may be tempted or confused for a season, but they will not accept a lie that perverts or denies Christ.

Those that wholeheartedly buy into the interfaith deception reveal that they were never His in the first place. "They went out from us, but they were not of us" (1 John 2:19). True love is telling the truth. And the truth is, there is salvation in no one but Jesus Christ.

 

[bdavidc]

You said this.

Any system that adds works,

(you do not believe in any system that adds works.)

So do you believe you are to do good works or not?

This seems to me to have become a very confused question for some.
They reply that, yes, we are to do good works...
but somehow they are not necessary.


I believe our good works keep us saved because we're being obedient to Jesus and Jesus said to do them.

And of course AFTER salvation...
are those unsaved required to do good works?
No.

That last question doesn’t even make sense. If a person has salvation, they are saved, not unsaved. You can’t be both saved and unsaved at the same time. The Bible clearly teaches that salvation comes first by grace through faith, “not of works, lest any man should boast” (Ephesians 2:8–9). And then verse 10 says, “we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works.” Good works are the result of salvation not the cause and not what keeps us saved. “We are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation” (1 Peter 1:5). Salvation is not by our own effort. If works kept us saved then salvation would be on us, but if that is the case then Galatians 2: 21 says, “then Christ is dead in vain.”

The Bible makes it simple: salvation is by grace through faith in Christ alone. Good works are evidence that a person is saved, not the cause and not how they remain saved.

The unsaved can do good things and feed the poor, give to the needy, tithe to the church, help the downtrodden, and give out to others, but it does not make them right with God. “For all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags…” (Isaiah 64:6). And “It is impossible to please God without faith…” (Hebrews 11:6). The unsaved remain lost without Christ.

The saved are different. We do good works because we love Jesus who paid our sin debt and because His Spirit now lives in us. Good works neither earn nor keep salvation, they flow out of us because we abide in Christ. Jesus said, “Abide in me, and I in you… he that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing” (John 15:4–5).

The Bible continually repeats this truth. Galatians 5: 22–23 shows us that the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. In Romans 7: 4, it says that being joined to Christ will enable us to bring forth fruit to God. In Matthew 7: 18, Jesus said that “every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.”

The root of the tree determines the fruit.

To abide in Christ means we are walking as He walked (1 John 2:6). Philippians 1: 11 says the fruits of righteousness come by Jesus Christ, not from us, and they are always for God’s glory.

Simple difference: the unsaved may look good on the outside, but remain lost. The saved do good works because Christ lives in us, His Spirit changes us, and our lives show it.

 

[GodsGrace]

That last question doesn’t even make sense. If a person has salvation, they are saved, not unsaved. You can’t be both saved and unsaved at the same time. The Bible clearly teaches that salvation comes first by grace through faith, “not of works, lest any man should boast” (Ephesians 2:8–9). And then verse 10 says, “we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works.” Good works are the result of salvation not the cause and not what keeps us saved. “We are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation” (1 Peter 1:5). Salvation is not by our own effort. If works kept us saved then salvation would be on us, but if that is the case then Galatians 2: 21 says, “then Christ is dead in vain.”

I read a thread of yours last night to which I plan to respond because I think we'll agree on a lot.
But I read all of the below and I DO think we Protestants are changing the rules of Christianity.
It's really being watered down and I find it rather distressing.
Islam is growing...but more about this on your thread.

The Bible makes it simple: salvation is by grace through faith in Christ alone. Good works are evidence that a person is saved, not the cause and not how they remain saved.

Here is the disagreement.
We are saved for good works.
Jesus commanded us to do good works.
So if we don't do them...are we till saved?

This reasoning that we do them BECAUSE we are saved and because we WANT to is becoming very tiring.
I don't really care if we WANT to obey God or not.
Maybe we do.
Maybe we don't.
The POINT is that God demands obedience...in the OT and in the NT.
God said He prefers obedience to sacrifice....
1 Samuel 15:22

John 3:36 states that we must believe to be saved and obey to forego the wrath of God.

I've heard some on these Forums state that we could return to sinning and still be saved.
I'd like to never have to hear this coming from someone that calls themselves a Christian,,,,

YOU have just stated that our good works do not KEEP US SAVED....
but Jesus said they do.
Matthew 7:26 The foolish man does NOT ACT on the words of Jesus and his house fell.

WHERE in the NT does it state that our works are of no value?
What did Jesus come here to do anyway?
Was it for the atonement or was there also another reason?
You sound really intelligent - what do you think?

The unsaved can do good things and feed the poor, give to the needy, tithe to the church, help the downtrodden, and give out to others, but it does not make them right with God. “For all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags…” (Isaiah 64:6). And “It is impossible to please God without faith…” (Hebrews 11:6). The unsaved remain lost without Christ.

I agree. But I'd love to never hear isaiah 64:6 again.
However, you've used it correctly, so no problem.

I DO see it used to justify possibly not doing good works, and how they are NOT necessary for the NT....
I've now begun asking where Jesus states that our good works are as dung....guess that's even worse than rags.
Jesus taught good works for His entire ministry.

The saved are different. We do good works because we love Jesus who paid our sin debt and because His Spirit now lives in us. Good works neither earn nor keep salvation, they flow out of us because we abide in Christ. Jesus said, “Abide in me, and I in you… he that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing” (John 15:4–5).

John 15 is not such a good passage for your point.

Look at what John 15.2 states.
2 "Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away;

Every branch IN JESUS....that's a saved person.....
that does NOT BEAR FRUIT....
is taken away.

Of course we can't do anything without the help of the Holy Spirit...
without abiding in Christ...
BUT
Jesus does expect good deeds from us.

The Bible continually repeats this truth. Galatians 5: 22–23 shows us that the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. In Romans 7: 4, it says that being joined to Christ will enable us to bring forth fruit to God. In Matthew 7: 18, Jesus said that “every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.”

Right.
But we like to forget
Matthew 7:21
21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.

What do you think the will of the Father is?
Jesus states it in verse 23...lawlessness....not following the law....
the law of Christ
NOT The Law.

The root of the tree determines the fruit.

Read verse 2 again and harmonize the two.

To abide in Christ means we are walking as He walked (1 John 2:6). Philippians 1: 11 says the fruits of righteousness come by Jesus Christ, not from us, and they are always for God’s glory.

Yes.
We seem to be depending totally on God....
the early church did not teach this.
The change has come about since Calvinism...
it seems to have affected every denomination.

Simple difference: the unsaved may look good on the outside, but remain lost. The saved do good works because Christ lives in us, His Spirit changes us, and our lives show it.

Agreed.
But Jesus taught that it's possible to forfeit/lose our salvation...
and it seems some believe in OSAS and not only that...l
but NO MATTER HOW THEY LIVE.

 

[amigo de christo]

I read a thread of yours last night to which I plan to respond because I think we'll agree on a lot.
But I read all of the below and I DO think we Protestants are changing the rules of Christianity.
It's really being watered down and I find it rather distressing.
Islam is growing...but more about this on your thread.


Here is the disagreement.
We are saved for good works.
Jesus commanded us to do good works.
So if we don't do them...are we till saved?

This reasoning that we do them BECAUSE we are saved and because we WANT to is becoming very tiring.
I don't really care if we WANT to obey God or not.
Maybe we do.
Maybe we don't.
The POINT is that God demands obedience...in the OT and in the NT.
God said He prefers obedience to sacrifice....
1 Samuel 15:22

John 3:36 states that we must believe to be saved and obey to forego the wrath of God.

I've heard some on these Forums state that we could return to sinning and still be saved.
I'd like to never have to hear this coming from someone that calls themselves a Christian,,,,

YOU have just stated that our good works do not KEEP US SAVED....
but Jesus said they do.
Matthew 7:26 The foolish man does NOT ACT on the words of Jesus and his house fell.

WHERE in the NT does it state that our works are of no value?
What did Jesus come here to do anyway?
Was it for the atonement or was there also another reason?
You sound really intelligent - what do you think?



I agree. But I'd love to never hear isaiah 64:6 again.
However, you've used it correctly, so no problem.

I DO see it used to justify possibly not doing good works, and how they are NOT necessary for the NT....
I've now begun asking where Jesus states that our good works are as dung....guess that's even worse than rags.
Jesus taught good works for His entire ministry.


John 15 is not such a good passage for your point.

Look at what John 15.2 states.
2 "Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away;

Every branch IN JESUS....that's a saved person.....
that does NOT BEAR FRUIT....
is taken away.

Of course we can't do anything without the help of the Holy Spirit...
without abiding in Christ...
BUT
Jesus does expect good deeds from us.




Right.
But we like to forget
Matthew 7:21
21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.

What do you think the will of the Father is?
Jesus states it in verse 23...lawlessness....not following the law....
the law of Christ
NOT The Law.

Read verse 2 again and harmonize the two.

Yes.
We seem to be depending totally on God....
the early church did not teach this.
The change has come about since Calvinism...
it seems to have affected every denomination.


Agreed.
But Jesus taught that it's possible to forfeit/lose our salvation...
and it seems some believe in OSAS and not only that...l
but NO MATTER HOW THEY LIVE.

Whatever you do my friend do not buy into OSAS . they have messed things up .
The often twist and omit warnings that were for good of the church in order to teach OSAS instead .
That has led to the most insincere of people i have ever seen . ALL warnings , all reminders
EVEN THE REMINDERS about WE MUST COTINUE IN HIM TO THE END , are dire NECESSARY For us to BELEIVE .
But OSAS acts like IF ONE reminds the church YE MUST continue in HIM TO THE END
that somehow YOU AINT TRUSTING IN JESUS . WHO ACTUALLY EVEN TOLD HIS OWN YE MUST CONTINUE IN ME .
ITS they who dont trust JESUS but rather an acroynm . ME , I TRUST JESUS
i trust the words of JESUS of paul , peter , jude and them all .
FOR WE ARE MADE PARTAKERS OF CHRIST , IF , IF , IF , we hold the confidence FIRM TO THE END , TO THE END , TO THE END .
But if we say that to an OSAS solider they say we aint trusting IN CHRIST . NO sir its they who do not trust in CHRIST
or the apostels doctrine . THEY TRUST IN the HOLY MOTHER OSAS and that is A PROBLEM .
WE should TRUST IN JESUS . IN JESUS , IN ALL HIS WORDS , HIS WARNINGS , HIS PROMISES , they are all FOR OUR GOOD .
WE NEED OBEY and TRUST IN HIM , and not in men .

 

[amigo de christo]

I agree completely with you. The interfaith "all roads lead to God" message is one of the biggest lies that Satan is propagating these days. Jesus made it very clear: "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes to the Father, but by me" (John 14:6). There is no other way.

It is sad to see professing Christians fall for it, but we must not be surprised. Scripture tells us that in the last days many will depart from the truth (2 Timothy 4:3-4). But a true born again Christian will not be permitted by the Spirit of God to remain in such deception. "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me" (John 10:27). A true believer may be tempted or confused for a season, but they will not accept a lie that perverts or denies Christ.

Those that wholeheartedly buy into the interfaith deception reveal that they were never His in the first place. "They went out from us, but they were not of us" (1 John 2:19). True love is telling the truth. And the truth is, there is salvation in no one but Jesus Christ.

Do you beleive that we should be in agreement or in support of such a movement or any who does lead in it .
OF course not .
So then why do so many support men of both sides WHO DO SO .
IN other words WHY WOULD I POINT ANYONE to any man who actually DOES the work OF this interfaith .
I Would not .
Now i invite you to see who is leading in it . It probably would not suprise you if i told you
this has been at work huge in the RCC who brought it big time into the prostesetant realm .
It probably would not suprise you that this is the most progressive liberal led idea to come upon this entire world .
But what is gonna shock you to the core
is that we have men and women at work RIGHT NOW
amongst the conservative , even evangelical realm that HAVE been LEADING US ALL RIGHT INTO IT BIG TIME .
Now they do speak and say they are against the ONE WORLD GOVT , ONE WORLD RELIGOIN
and YET THEY DO THE VERY WORK OF THE ONE WORLD GOVT ONE WORLD RELGION .
And our president is one of its very key leaders along with his mr all inclusive interaith vance .
WE BEEN DUPED BIG TIME . they do nothing now but lead this people right into the LIE of anti christ .
ANY DAY NOW and soon i expect to see
EVEN trump come lipping everyone is serving the same GOD differently
AND WHEN HE DO , HIS PEOPLE WILL JUST KEEP CHEERING HIM ON . we got problems . WE GOT MAJOR PROBLEMS .