Assassin of Charlie Kirk was living with a transgender partner

[pandaflower]

Not according to the OSAS peoples who claim we can all live in sin and still be saved.

Eternal security is scripture.

Opponents of that slur it into the encapsulation that is their "OSAS" ,so they can then continue to slander eternal security by insisting it is a license to sin.

Proving such people have never read the New Testament. Yet,love to assail its believers.

 

[Debp]

....and so the gossip spreads in the desperate need to demonise.
Whether it is true or not is not the issue. The demonisation by spending the gossip is what people feed on.
Be aware of what you are doing Deb!

I am posting news reports on the assassination of Charlie Kirk. There's nothing wrong with exposing that the assassin is involved with a transgender male to female.

The above only proves that transgenderism is of the devil. Perhaps this will help some sleeping parents to wake up and protest this evil brainwashing of their children.

@Rita

BINGO! QT is consistently antiChristian / antiBible!. I wonder why she's in a Christian forum.

I see @pandaflower already told you QT is a male. And he loves to point his finger.

 

[quietthinker]

The Governor of Utah openly stated to the world it will be capital punishment for Tyler Robinson

You sound so pleased!

 

[quietthinker]

I am posting news reports on the assassination of Charlie Kirk. There's nothing wrong with exposing that the assassin is involved with a transgender male to female.

The above only proves that transgenderism is of the devil. Perhaps this will help some sleeping parents to wake up and protest this evil brainwashing of their children.

@Rita



I see @pandaflower already told you QT is a male. And he loves to point his finger.

if you can discern the difference between a rebuke and pointing the finger, perhaps you can tell us Deb?

 

[Debp]

if you can discern the difference between a rebuke and pointing the finger, perhaps you can tell us Deb?

I'm reporting on the news. No justification for a rebuke from you.... it's just you love to finger point.

 

[quietthinker]

I am posting news reports on the assassination of Charlie Kirk. There's nothing wrong with exposing that the assassin is involved with a transgender male to female.

The above only proves that transgenderism is of the devil. Perhaps this will help some sleeping parents to wake up and protest this evil brainwashing of their children.

@Rita



I see @pandaflower already told you QT is a male. And he loves to point his finger.

Gossip Deb, is speaking poorly of another behind their back. It matters not whether the information shared is accurate or not.
What it does do is encourage the macabre desire of the natural man to demonise those who one doesn't approve of as well as the lapping tongues of those who feed on it.

How can we then who claim the forgiveness of Jesus go about repeating the gossip of the World, believing there is no incongruence?

....and I will add, the dastardly thing about gossip is it is addictive!

 

[Debp]

Gossip Deb, is speaking poorly of another behind their back. It matters not whether the information shared is accurate or not.
What it does do is encourage the macabre desire of the natural man to demonise those who one doesn't approve of as well as the lapping tongues of those who feed on it.

How can we then who claim the forgiveness of Jesus go about repeating the gossip of the World, believing there is no incongruence?

....and I will add, the dastardly thing about gossip is it is addictive!

Again I am reporting the news. If you don't like my posts, you don't have to read them.

 

[quietthinker]

Again I am reporting the news. If you don't like my posts, you don't have to read them.

If you do not know your reply above is a miserable out, now you do.

 

[Behold]

No one comes to Jesus unless the Father,Jesus,calls them.

Jesus said....>"if i be lifted up (on The Cross), i will DRAW ALL people to me".

A.) "ALL" people...

AA) = "All" means ALL.

Now, Hyper -Calvinism, denies the "ALL",..... that you also find in many other NT verses that teach that God's Salvaiton is offered to the "World"., or "whosoever" ... ect.

John 3:16 for example.

Now, who would want you to beleive that God's Son's Death on The Cross, is not being offered as a sacrifice for sin, to every sinner?

A.) THE DEVIL.......who created the false theology that "God will only save some, and will refuse others the opportunity to trust in Christ".

Reader you can always spot the DEVIL and his Ministers, because they always try to change HOW The Cross is offered by God.
They will deny it, or modify it, or add to it.
That is how you spot Satan's "dark lights".

 

[pandaflower]

Jesus said....>"if i be lifted up (on The Cross), i will DRAW ALL people to me".

A.) "ALL" people...

AA) = "All" means ALL.

Now, Hyper -Calvinism, denies the "ALL",..... that you also find in many other NT verses that teach that God's Salvaiton is offered to the "World"., or "whosoever" ... ect.

John 3:16 for example.

Now, who would want you to beleive that God's Son's Death on The Cross, is not being offered as a sacrifice for sin, to every sinner?

A.) THE DEVIL.......who created the false theology that "God will only save some, and will refuse others the opportunity to trust in Christ".

Reader you can always spot the DEVIL and his Ministers, because they always try to change HOW The Cross is offered by God.
They will deny it, or modify it, or add to it.
That is how you spot Satan's "dark lights".

You're choosing to deny John 6:44
No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.

64 But there are some of you who do not believe.” (For Jesus knew from the beginning who those were who did not believe, and who it was who would betray him.) 65 And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.”



How do you do that?



Matthew 11:27
All things have been handed over to me by my Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.

Matthew 13​

And he answered them, “To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given. For to the one who has, more will be given, and he will have an abundance, but from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away. This is why I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. Indeed, in their case the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled that says: “‘“You will indeed hear but never understand, and you will indeed see but never perceive.” For this people's heart has grown dull, and with their ears they can barely hear, and their eyes they have closed, lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears and understand with their heart and turn, and I would heal them.’

 

[pandaflower]

Never said I am. I said I "quote Him"!

True indeed.

Quoting Jesus can!

Jesus said different.

 

[Scott Downey]

Jesus said....>"if i be lifted up (on The Cross), i will DRAW ALL people to me".

Prior to Christ, God exclusively drew people to Christ
After Christ finished His work, Christ draws all who will be saved, not all as in every single individual, as not all are saved.

So many other verses have to be twisted to say otherwise.

45 It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught by God.’ Therefore everyone who [i]has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me.

All here is all of those drawn, not all men. All of those drawn are taught by God.
Notice he says like this

"Therefore everyone who [i]has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me."

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Eternal security is scripture.

It's false doctrine and one has to be a cherry picker to claim it's biblical.

continue to slander eternal security by insisting it is a license to sin.

The OSAS peoples falsely claim even if one does live in sin they are still saved.

OSAS is one of satan's most used deceptions... the slow people are easily deceived in to believing OSAS

All the devil has to do is teach them to be cherry pickers, meaning they refuse to believe all the Lord says on the topic.

 

[pandaflower]

Jesus said....>"if i be lifted up (on The Cross), i will DRAW ALL people to me".

Prior to Christ, God exclusively drew people to Christ
After Christ finished His work, Christ draws all who will be saved, not all as in every single individual, as not all are saved.

So many other verses have to be twisted to say otherwise.

45 It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught by God.’ Therefore everyone who [i]has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me.

All here is all of those drawn, not all men. All of those drawn are taught by God.
Notice he says like this

"Therefore everyone who [i]has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me."

In proper context all drawn to Jesus would be reiterating all those God calls,leads,to Jesus through the opening of their natural mind so to understand Jesus. 1Corinthians 2.

 

[Scott Downey]

This actually agrees with how the New Covenant works, with Christ as the great Shepherd of the sheep.
His people will just know Him as they have an anointing from God to know the truth and be saved.

Hebrews 8
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 11 None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. 12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins [b]and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”

13 In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

1 John 2
24 Therefore let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father. 25 And this is the promise that He has promised us—eternal life.

26 These things I have written to you concerning those who try to [f]deceive you. 27 But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you [g]will abide in Him.

Those who heard God were of God, which tells you to be born again is by the Spirit, then they can hear Him speak to them in the inner man.
Those who heard Him not, were not of God. None of those believed.

 

[Scott Downey]

In proper context all drawn to Jesus would be reiterating all those God calls,leads,to Jesus through the opening of their natural mind so to understand Jesus. 1Corinthians 2.

God will open their mind, but they must be born again first or they will not be interested in believing.
What does it say about the natural?
Romans 8
5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be [b]carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the [c]carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

You must be spiritually minded and those who are only of the flesh, are not. Not even a little bit. They are at enmity against the Spirit.

 

[Behold]

You're choosing to deny John 6:44
No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.

Im not denying it the verse.
Im explaining it to you.

See, Jesus said that He "Draws ALL people'.

Do you understand and comprehend the definition of the word "ALL"?

Most hyper Calvinists have no clue that ALL.. .means "everyone".

Now... well soon find out if you can comprehend the definition @pandaflower .

So, here we see that everyone is the ALL............ "All" means Everyone., and Jesus told you He is drawing "ALL". (That's the Holy Spirit doing it).

A.) The Cross by the power of the Holy Spirit = is ALWAYS drawing the world of sinners.. "ALL" = to come and trust in Christ.

You've noticed that The Cross of Christ is 2000 yrs ago, ????????????? yet its still used by God to save you, today.
And what happens is........ the Holy Spirit, is always moving on Hearts, worldwide.... to come and trust in Christ.
He's doing it right now., all over the world.... 24/7.

Do you understand this ?

And so... = whosoever will trust........as the Holy Spirit is leading ALL to Salvation...........will be saved.

See, everyone is being drawn by the Holy Spirit for the last 2000 yrs.. ever since Jesus died on the CROSS..., but not everyone will place their faith in Jesus.

Now.......Lying Hyper Calvinism, teaches, that Jesus does not Draw everyone.... they deny the "ALL".....and that is the Cross Denying Lie of Hyper Calvinism., which makes it a Man-made = "Doctrine of Devils"... Hebrews 13:9

Jesus said, "i will DRAW ALL".......and lying Hyper Calvinists, say......."no you wont, you will only draw some, who are pre-destined"..

See that lie?

That is a Cross denying Lie, that teaches that Jesus is lying when He said.....>"If i be lifted up, (on The Cross), i will Draw ALL".... to me.

Read John 3:16, as it says the same thing......that "WHOSOEVER"... will believe.

That means "ALL"......>"anyone".......>"everyone".

new from the beginning who those were who did not believe,

So, your verse is talking about disciples who were following Jesus, when Jesus was on the Earth 2000 yrs ago, and at that time, noone is a Christian, because Christ has not died on The Cross yet.

Listen.....Try to use verses that apply to Chritianity.....as if you dont, then you're shown to be theologically ignorant and just want to argue Hyper Calvinism Lies.

Matthew 11:27
All things have been handed over to me by my Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.

Again, you are quoting a verse that Has no Christians in it.
Now, we can agree that Jesus knows everything, and that God's Foreknowledge is true.

Just remember, you can't take Jewish verses that are not talking to born again Christians, as there are none in the Verse.... and try to bend the bible to suit your False Hyper Calvinism theology.

Matthew 13​

And he answered them, “To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven,

Again, you are using verses where Jesus is only dealing with Jews.........as noone is a Christian in the verse.

Do you understand @pandaflower .. that until Jesus dies on The Cross, there are no Christians yet.......So, what you have to do, is not take verses aimed at Jews and try to change them into doctrine for CHRISTIANS..........as Jesus only came for the Jews, during His ministry.

 

[pandaflower]

It's false doctrine and one has to be a cherry picker to claim it's biblical.

Thank you.
You are not given to understanding.

Matthew 13

The OSAS peoples falsely claim even if one does live in sin they are still saved.

And that proves it.
See,what opponents of Eternal Security will never understand unless it is given them by the Father is, those in Christ do not make a habit of sinning. If they do they are not in Christ and the truth is not in them.

OSAS is one of satan's most used deceptions... the slow people are easily deceived in to believing OSAS.

No. Satan's trick is to lead unbelievers into denying the Gospel and Eternal Security so people think Jesus was a liar.

And those apparent lazy enemies of the cross are in their natural mind.
So unless God intercedes,they will remain lazy enemies of the cross. Because to them it is foolishness.

Which is why they make fools of themselves trying to convince Christ's Eternally Secure people
they're living a lie.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Christ draws all who will be saved, not all as in every single individual

That's claiming Jesus lied... He said He would draw ALL men unto Him meaning ALL have had opportunity to get said.

Titus 2:11,12
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to ALL men,
Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

Romans 8:29,30
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

NOTE - Romans 8:29,30 is not saying all are automatically saved which would be the false doctrine of universalism, but rather is teaching us that God has in fact provided opportunity for all to be saved which is evident in the scripture references below

Romans 5:17,18
For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

NOTE - Romans 5:17,18 is clearly telling us that the free gift came upon all men agreeing with Titus 2:11,12

So the scripture teaches that ALL have opportunity to get saved.... but Jesus said that few find the narrow path that leads to life (Matthew 7:13-14) because the Lord's Word says the devil blinds the minds of them that do not believe (2 Corinthians 4:4) which is why not all get born again

 

[Dan Clarkston]

You are not given to understanding.

No, I don't accept the devil's deception like the OSAS peoples have received.