This is a different dispensation ,,,,,,,,,,,,,Peter is no longer preaching the kingdom ....we are to believe Paul
THE LORD'S PRAYER: JESUS DIDN'T PRAY IT, SHOULD WE?
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amigo de christo
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according to whom doug YOU and your so called wise men .
HE WROTE IT TO AN ENTIRE CHURCH and that aint the only letter he shows us this in either .
Last time i checked the house hold of cornleioius WASNT that BIG friend .
THEY all knew . ITS you and your leaders and wise men WHO do not know the simple truth of things my friend .
The bible speaks to ALL humanity always! why not us please explain.
Peter went to the Gentiles to include them in the kingdom He was not apostle to the Gentiles as Paul
amigo de christo
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again , according to whom doug . You and your dispensationslist men .
AS FOR ME , ITS LET GOD BE TRUE but every man a liar . YOU all are twistng scrips and doing so
unto your own destruction .
amigo de christo
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Again , THEY BOTH preached the same gospel doug . You are running outta gas and on fumes alone now .
Not only Peter was appointed by GOD to be an Apostle to the gentiles But he was appointed before Paul.
Act 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men andbrethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
I have shown you this verse before.
I agree this "beast system is coming" we must resist. the governments want to install a digital gulag, we will be prisoners, what we do will be noted, what we say will be recorded, thare wg go and who we see will be recorded, that we buy also thia is already done the next step will be to install t social credid system that will decide what you can do or say or buy or not, I am not kidding Microsoft has a patent 060606 that speaks of implants.... creepy they changes the number now I think lets see..
WO2020060606A1 they added the A1 later... creepy! Bill.G name was in the original one I saw it.
this one has many implications but none of them look good I see in this one "work or die"
I dont know, but if you look, starting at Chapter 9 in Acts, it says, Paul was a chosen vessel to the Gentiles before Peter in Acts 15:7 mentions his call that also come to him in a vision in Acts Chapter 10.
Peter was an apostle before Paul, no doubt, but the calling of the two (Paul and Peter) did come to each of them to do so through a vision they were each were given (each both having witnesses between their visions in relation to that call). But Paul appears to come first.
For example
Notice, Chapter 9 of Acts. Paul is being called as a chosen vessel to the Gentiles by the Lord to Ananias here
Jesus tells Ananias about Saul who Paul would be called in a vision
Acts 9:15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings,
and the children of Israel
Then we see Peter in Chapter 10 of Acts having his own vision and likewise is Cornelius (a Gentile) who is instructed to Peters mouth
Notice, Chapter 10 of Acts, Peter had his own vision (as did Paul/Ananias to that call). Here is is Peter/ Cornelius' visions, and Cornelius vision informs him to fetch Peter for the words by his mouth (for the Gentiles)
An angel of the Lord appeared in a vision to Cornellius to send for Peter for just that
Acts 10:5 And now send men to Joppa, and call for one Simon, whose surname is Peter
Acts 10:6 He lodgeth with one Simon a tanner, whose house is by the sea side: he shall tell thee what thou oughtest to do.
Up further in Acts Chapter 22 here
Chapter 22 of Acts, Paul recalls back to what the Lord also told him in his vision in Chapter 9 who told hm
Acts 22:10 And I said, What shall I do, Lord? And the Lord said unto me, Arise, and go into Damascus;
and there it shall be told thee of all things which are appointed for thee to do. (Same with cornelius and Peter in Acts 10:6)
Just as here in Acts 15:7 Peter is in the very presense of Paul when Peter says
Chapter 15 Peter recalls
Acts 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
Peter is looking back at Acts Chapter 10 where these two come together by their visions
Acts 10:5 And now send men to Joppa, and call for one Simon, whose surname is Peter
Acts 10:6 He lodgeth with one Simon a tanner, whose house is by the sea side: he shall tell thee what thou oughtest to do.
As would Paul in Acts Chapter 22 would be looking back where His calling to the Gentiles was through his and Ananias' visions
Acts 22:10 And I said, What shall I do, Lord? And the Lord said unto me, Arise, and go into Damascus;
and there it shall be told thee of all things which are appointed for thee to do.
But Pauls calling is noted in Acts Chapter 9
Acts 9:15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings,
and the children of Israel
And Peters is recorded in Acts Chapter 10
Acts 10:5 And now send men to Joppa, and call for one Simon, whose surname is Peter
Acts 10:6 He lodgeth with one Simon a tanner, whose house is by the sea side: he shall tell thee what thou oughtest to do.
Peter is an apostle of Jesus before Paul but Paul is also shown (with a witness, Luke, and Ananias) as being called a chosen vessel to the Gentiles, and in Acts 9 through a vision given him of the Lord (and one given Ananias)
Even as Peter would be given a vision in Acts 10 which he doubted, but was led of the Spirit to speak words by his mouth that Cornelius and his house would be saved.
That to me, is what Peter is referring to in Acts 15:7 (5 Chapters later)
Acts 15: 7And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. (Acts 10:5)
And so Peter spoke there, in the presense of Paul and banabas (called apostles in Acts 14:14) a chapter earlier, and after Peter spoke James gave his sentence, and would send to the Paul and Barnabas with the letter.
If you look at Acts 9 where Paul was called to the Gentiles, and then in Acts 10 where Peter is being called to the same, Paul was first noted in Acts as being called to the Gentiles. I do not believe its a competition (personally) although some can make it that. Its clearly shown between them that Paul is mentioned first there, even though Peter was an apostle before Paul. Both were (as Jews) to take salvation to the nations (the Gentiles) and both did.
Grailhunter
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Again Christians do not have any restrictions on engraved images. And now a days neither do the Jews except in places of worship.
Both are opposed to idols.
And it was the Jews choice to allow engraved images except in a place of worship, Nothing the Old Testament said to change it.
And again no Old Testament Law pertains to Christians directly.
By directly I mean....if a moral point is reiterated in the New Testament then it applies. For example murder, theft, adultery etc
As a whole Christian sins are listed in the Bible.
2nd Corinthians :5:10: For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad..
1st Corinthians 6:9-10 “Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor those habitually drunk, nor verbal abusers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God”
Galatians 5:19-21 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: sexual immorality, impurity, indecent behavior, idolatry, witchcraft, hostilities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions, envy, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Ephesians 5:3-5 But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God’s holy people. Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving. For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person—such a person is an idolater—has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
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I think divisiveness is a bad road to travel.
Thinking something Jesus did is for the Jews only and not for others is wrong and contrary to what is taught in the Bible.
The Lords Prayer is labeled such because it,as the scripture shows,is the prayer the Lord gave for us to pray. So yes,we should pray in that way if we feel led.
We are all one on Jesus.
All those who are in Christ are no longer separated by labels like, Jew,Gentile,Greek,male,female.
The Gospel unites.
Its enemy divides.
Just adding to yours
1 Cr 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
It speaks of whole cities given to idolatry,
Acts 17:16 Now while Paul waited for them at Athens, his spirit was stirred in him, when he saw the city wholly given to idolatry. (Acts 17:30)
Paul said flee from idolatry
1 Cr 10:14 Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry.
John said, to Kkeeping yourself from idols,
1 John 5:21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.
They were setting up Idols in their hearts (both of the house of Israel and the stranger) as shown here
Ezek 14:17 For every one of the house of Israel, or of the stranger that sojourneth in Israel, which separateth himself from me, and setteth up his idols in his heart, and putteth the stumblingblock of his iniquity before his face, and cometh to a prophet to enquire of him concerning me; I the LORD will answer him by myself
Various forms of idolatries are touched upon here
1 Peter 4:3 For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:
Why would a follower of Jesus Christ want a graven image?
amigo de christo
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Time draws short my friend . Let all who name the name of Christ touch not the unclean thing .
The time is and is coming wherein the IRON YOKE of the digital AI shall slam home and Many will
bow to it . Many already suckle from the paps of the harlot . Fear of man and what he can do will take many
more in the days ahead . Through convenience , through fear and manipulation the IRON YOKE
will be the solution they will offer up .
Hi truly,
If we follow the order shown in Scripture, we see that Peter was actually the first to be called to the Gentiles, not Paul.
Before Paul even came into the story, Jesus had already chosen Peter and the other apostles to go to all nations. After His resurrection, Jesus said, “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit” (Matthew 28:19–20). Then later, Jesus spoke directly to Peter in a very personal way, saying three times, “Feed My lambs… Tend My sheep… Feed My sheep” (John 21:15–17). That was Jesus’ way of restoring Peter after his denial, but it was also a command that reached beyond Israel. Jesus had already spoken of this earlier when He said, “And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd” (John 10:16). Those “other sheep” were the Gentiles, and this meant Peter’s task to tend and feed Christ’s sheep included them too.
We see this become real in Acts chapter 10, when Peter received a vision from God. He saw a great sheet lowered from heaven filled with all kinds of animals, clean and unclean, and heard a voice say, “What God has cleansed you must not call common” (Acts 10:15). This vision confused him at first, but it was preparing him to meet Cornelius, a Gentile man who also had received a vision. An angel told Cornelius, “Now send men to Joppa, and call for Simon whose surname is Peter. He is lodging with Simon, a tanner, whose house is by the sea. He will tell you what you must do” (Acts 10:5–6). Peter obeyed God’s direction, went to Cornelius’ house, and began to speak the gospel. While Peter was still speaking, the Holy Spirit came upon everyone there, showing that God had accepted the Gentiles as well. Seeing this, Peter said, “In truth I perceive that God shows no partiality. But in every nation whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him” (Acts 10:34–35). That was the first clears moment when the gospel reached the Gentiles, and it came through Peter’s preaching, not Paul’s.
Paul’s calling came afterwards in Acts chapter 9. When the Lord spoke to Ananias about Saul, He said, “Go, for he is a chosen vessel of Mine to bear My name before Gentiles, kings, and the children of Israel” (Acts 9:15). So yes, Paul was chosen to go to the Gentiles too, but that hapened after Peter had already been sent and had already preached to them. Paul later became the main apostle traveling among Gentile nations, but the door had been opened first through Peter’s obedience.
This is exactly what Peter himself said later at the council in Jerusalem: “Men and brethren, you know that a good while ago God made choice among us, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe” (Acts 15:7). Peter was standing right there in the presence of Paul and Barnabas when he said this. He wasn’t boasting or competing; he was simply reminding everyone that God had chosen him first to bring the message to the Gentiles, beginning with Cornelius and his household.
So when we look at it carefully, both Peter and Paul were called by God to take the gospel to the Gentiles, but Peter’s call came first. Jesus had already told him to feed all His sheep, including the “other sheep” not of Israel, and that command was confirmed through the vision and the events in Acts 10. Paul’s call came later, to carry that same message even farther. In the end, they were not in competition but working toward the same mission, each fulfilling the part God had given them in bringing salvation to all nations. do not forget Paul a new convert did not preach immediately in acts 9 but rather started to peach to the gentiles in Acts 13 if I remember correctly.
Blessings
Grailhunter
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And @Truly for information.
Peter’s involment with the ministry to the Gentiles and his relationship with Paul is a little more complicated than what you present.
To start with Peter was a Jewish-Christian and they were taking the word to the Gentiles ….but….they had conditions for the Gentiles to adhere to in order for them to be Christians….like the requirement to be circumcised and follow at least some of the Mosaic Laws….But the Jewish-Christians considered Gentile-Christians to be sort of a “honorary membership” The Gentile-Christians were not allowed in the Temple and were still considered Gentiles. So they could not sacrifice animals like the Jewish-Christians were doing.
At times Peter and Paul had disagreements and Paul had to set him straight….But as time went on Peter’s beliefs became more in line with Paul’s. And Peter joined Paul's ministry to the Gentiles and Peter joined Paul at the meeting in Jerusalem in Acts 15 to settle the differences and animosities between the Jewish-Christians and Gentle-Christians which ended with James issuing this letter.
The apostles and elders, your brothers,
To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:
Greetings.
We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul—men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.
Farewell. Acts 15:24-29
Besides resolving….attempting to resolve their differences it points out some of the differences between the Jewish-Christians and Gentile Christians.
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