TWO GOSPELS

[Doug]

Lets start with Jesus and the twelve. During Christ's earthly ministry he built his church..........[Matthew 16:18 KJV] 18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it............Christ brought people into the church by preaching his gospel. Christ's gospel was to repent because the prophetic Davidic kingdom was at hand........[Matthew 4:23 KJV] 23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.............This gospel of the kingdom was the only gospel Jesus preached, and this is the gospel he sent the twelve to preach..........[Luke 9:1-2, 6 KJV] 1 Then he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases. 2 And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick 6 And they departed, and went through the towns, preaching the gospel, and healing every where.

In the gospels the apostles preached to believe on the name of Christ. They had to believe Jesus was the Christ, the Son of God............[John 1:12 KJV] 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:
[John 3:18 KJV] 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
[John 20:31 KJV] 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

After the ascension of Christ, Peter and the apostles preached to believe on his name.........[Acts 3:16 KJV] 16 And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.
[Acts 4:12 KJV] 12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
[Acts 8:12 KJV] 12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.

After Jesus's ascension Peter preached the water baptism of John for the forgiveness of sins, plus receiving the Holy Ghost................ [Acts 2:38 KJV] 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost..............this is the gospel of the circumcision...............[Galatians 2:7 KJV] 7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as [the gospel] of the circumcision [was] unto Peter;..............Paul preached a different gospel, the gospel of the uncircumcision.

Paul did not preach the gospel of the kingdom. Paul preached more than the name of Jesus. Paul preached all that the cross accomplished.

This is the gospel Paul preached............[1Corinthians 15:1, 3-4 KJV] 1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:............This is the gospel we are to believe.

These are the elements of Paul's gospel............[Romans 3:24-26 KJV] 24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 Whom God hath set forth [to be] a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26 To declare, [I say], at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
[Romans 4:22-25 KJV] 22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness. 23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; 24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; 25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
[Ephesians 1:7 KJV] 7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
[1Corinthians 1:21 KJV] 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
[Titus 3:7 KJV] 7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

 

[BeforeThereWas]

Well said. Here is one of THE most telling evidences for Paul's gospel being unique from that of the twelve:

Galatians 1:11-12 — But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Paul was not persecuting the believing Jews and Gentile proselytes for the gospel he received from Christ later in his life, but rather on the basis of the Kingdom Gospel preached by the twelve that he learned from other men; and possibly from the twelve themselves while listening to them preaching in Jerusalem.

This should shatter the false claim for it allegedly being the same gospel throughout given the differing elements in Paul's gospel of Christ, but some are not willing to let go of the myth that utterly defies reason and logic from what anyone can read when daring to do a comparison.

Peter's Kingdom Gospel was fixated upon water baptism for remission of sins for those of Israel who were still bound by, and zealous for, the Mosaic Law. Again, many today ignore all that in order to hold on to that OTHER gospel. It matters not at all to many that they are accursed for preaching ANOTHER gospel that is no longer in effect under this dispensation of grace. Nobody on this earth can say that the twelve preached salvation by grace through faith alone as did Paul because of the requirement for water baptism within the Kingdom Gospel.

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[keithr]

[Galatians 2:7 KJV] 7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as [the gospel] of the circumcision [was] unto Peter;..............Paul preached a different gospel, the gospel of the uncircumcision.

You should include some context, such as the following verses, then you'll understand the true meaning. As the Revised English Bible translates it:

7 On the contrary, they saw that I had been entrusted to take the gospel to the Gentiles as surely as Peter had been entrusted to take it to the Jews;​

8 for the same God who was at work in Peter's mission to the Jews was also at work in mine to the Gentiles.​

9 Recognizing, then, the privilege bestowed on me, those who are reputed to be pillars of the community, James, Cephas, and John, accepted Barnabas and myself as partners and shook hands on it: the agreement was that we should go to the Gentiles, while they went to the Jews.​

Clearly there was just the one same gospel, and that Paul and Peter agreed that Paul should preach the Gospel primarliy to the Gentiles while Peter concentrated on preaching primarily to the Jews.

The Cambridge Bible Notes says:

the gospel of the uncircumcision … to Peter] Clearly not two different Gospels, as Jowett understands the passage. This would be to contradict what had been said ch. Gal_1:6-9.​

Galatians 1:6-9 ISV

(6) I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of the Messiah and, instead, are following a different gospel,​

(7) not that another one really exists. To be sure, there are certain people who are troubling you and want to distort the gospel about the Messiah.​

(8) But even if we or an angel from heaven should proclaim to you a gospel contrary to what we proclaimed to you, let that person be condemned!​

(9) What we have told you in the past I am now telling you again: If anyone proclaims to you a gospel contrary to what you received, let that person be condemned!​

 

[BeforeThereWas]

You should include some context, such as the following verses, then you'll understand the true meaning. As the Revised English Bible translates it:

7 On the contrary, they saw that I had been entrusted to take the gospel to the Gentiles as surely as Peter had been entrusted to take it to the Jews;​

8 for the same God who was at work in Peter's mission to the Jews was also at work in mine to the Gentiles.​

9 Recognizing, then, the privilege bestowed on me, those who are reputed to be pillars of the community, James, Cephas, and John, accepted Barnabas and myself as partners and shook hands on it: the agreement was that we should go to the Gentiles, while they went to the Jews.​

Clearly there was just the one same gospel, and that Paul and Peter agreed that Paul should preach the Gospel primarliy to the Gentiles while Peter concentrated on preaching primarily to the Jews.

The Cambridge Bible Notes says:

the gospel of the uncircumcision … to Peter] Clearly not two different Gospels, as Jowett understands the passage. This would be to contradict what had been said ch. Gal_1:6-9.​

Galatians 1:6-9 ISV

(6) I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of the Messiah and, instead, are following a different gospel,​

(7) not that another one really exists. To be sure, there are certain people who are troubling you and want to distort the gospel about the Messiah.​

(8) But even if we or an angel from heaven should proclaim to you a gospel contrary to what we proclaimed to you, let that person be condemned!​

(9) What we have told you in the past I am now telling you again: If anyone proclaims to you a gospel contrary to what you received, let that person be condemned!​

That translation pitted against the KJV is a common play in support of doctrines that can be used to try and pit scripture against itself, which is tragic. Paul's words in context defy this assumption of a singular gospel, for one will search in vain to find where Paul ever commanded water baptism for the remission of sins as was the Kingdom Gospel preached by Peter to Israel. That is not an argument from silence in an attempt to create a doctrine not stated, but rather pointing out the silence that destroys the eisegetical interpretations that try to add what's not there.

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[Doug]

Here is one of THE most telling evidences for Paul's gospel being unique from that of the twelve:

Galatians 1:11-12 — But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Yes not everyone will acknowledge that Jesus gave the twelve the gospel of the kingdom and Paul the gospel of Christ

 

[Doug]

Paul was not persecuting the believing Jews and Gentile proselytes for the gospel he received from Christ later in his life, but rather on the basis of the Kingdom Gospel preached by the twelve that he learned from other men; and possibly from the twelve themselves while listening to them preaching in Jerusalem.

So many say the church the body of Christ is the church Paul persecuted before his conversion. They wont acknowledge there are two churches with different doctrine and gospels

 

[Doug]

This should shatter the false claim for it allegedly being the same gospel throughout given the differing elements in Paul's gospel of Christ, but some are not willing to let go of the myth that utterly defies reason and logic from what anyone can read when daring to do a comparison.

I think they cant acknowledge any of this for several reasons. No one wants to be wrong. They might have to leave their church, their pastor and their friends. I get it

 

[Doug]

It matters not at all to many that they are accursed for preaching ANOTHER gospel that is no longer in effect under this dispensation of grace.

They say if Peter was preaching another gospel he is accursed

 

[Doug]

7 On the contrary, they saw that I had been entrusted to take the gospel to the Gentiles as surely as Peter had been entrusted to take it to the Jews;8 for the same God who was at work in Peter's mission to the Jews was also at work in mine to the Gentiles.9 Recognizing, then, the privilege bestowed on me, those who are reputed to be pillars of the community, James, Cephas, and John, accepted Barnabas and myself as partners and shook hands on it: the agreement was that we should go to the Gentiles, while they went to the Jews.
Clearly there was just the one same gospel, and that Paul and Peter agreed that Paul should preach the Gospel primarliy to the Gentiles while Peter concentrated on preaching primarily to the Jews.

These translations are based on corrupt texts I will stick with the KJV

 

[Doug]

Clearly there was just the one same gospel, and that Paul and Peter agreed that Paul should preach the Gospel primarliy to the Gentiles while Peter concentrated on preaching primarily to the Jews.

Then you need to go to Jerusalem and start preaching the gospel of the kingdom saying the Davidic kingdom is at hand repent and be baptized

 

[Doug]

Galatians 1:6-9 ISV
(6) I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of the Messiah and, instead, are following a different gospel,(7) not that another one really exists. To be sure, there are certain people who are troubling you and want to distort the gospel about the Messiah.(8) But even if we or an angel from heaven should proclaim to you a gospel contrary to what we proclaimed to you, let that person be condemned!(9) What we have told you in the past I am now telling you again: If anyone proclaims to you a gospel contrary to what you received, let that person be condemned!

[Gal 1:8 KJV] 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Paul was accursing anyone who came and preached another gospel to those who received his gospel

Are you aware that there will be an angel preaching another gospel?..........................[Rev 14:6 KJV] 6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,............I dont think Paul would say this angel was accursed

 

[BeforeThereWas]

They say if Peter was preaching another gospel he is accursed

I've heard that before, but that understanding is lacking in sticking to what was actually written. Paul called upon the accursedness only upon those who preach another gospel to the body of Christ under Paul's ministry. We can read the text carefully to see this:

Galatians 1:8 — But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel UNTO YOU than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

The rationale is this:

Romans 15:20 — Yea, so have I strived to preach the gospel, not where Christ was named, lest I should build upon another man's foundation:

This should make perfect sense given that the twelve were tasked by Christ to preach to Israel while Paul was tasked to preach to Gentiles, also coupled with the fact that the Gospel to the Gentiles was indeed different after the middle wall of partition came down.

BTW

 

[rwb]

So many say the church the body of Christ is the church Paul persecuted before his conversion. They wont acknowledge there are two churches with different doctrine and gospels

The same gospel of the Kingdom of God that would come to pass when the promised Messiah, Christ Jesus our Lord would come. God preached the gospel even to Abraham, saying through Abraham a SEED (Christ) would come and all nations would be blessed through Him.

Galatians 3:8 (KJV) And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

Galatians 3:16 (KJV) Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Genesis 12:2-3 (KJV) And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

Romans 10:16-21 (KJV) But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world. But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you. But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me. But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.

There has always been only one gospel of the Kingdom of God, that was proclaimed to the covenant people of Old, as the Law and Prophets foretell a Messiah would come. The same gospel of the Kingdom of God proclaimed to the new covenant people of God as the churches (chosen/elect saints) are sent unto all the nations of the earth to proclaim the gospel of the Kingdom of God has come through the promised Messiah, Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior.

 

[rwb]

I've heard that before, but that understanding is lacking in sticking to what was actually written. Paul called upon the accursedness only upon those who preach another gospel to the body of Christ under Paul's ministry. We can read the text carefully to see this:

Galatians 1:8 — But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel UNTO YOU than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

The rationale is this:

Romans 15:20 — Yea, so have I strived to preach the gospel, not where Christ was named, lest I should build upon another man's foundation:

This should make perfect sense given that the twelve were tasked by Christ to preach to Israel while Paul was tasked to preach to Gentiles, also coupled with the fact that the Gospel to the Gentiles was indeed different after the middle wall of partition came down.

BTW

Not another or different gospel of the Kingdom of God through Christ! The same gospel of the Kingdom of God through Christ preached to different people, to the Jews first, then to Gentiles also.

 

[Doug]

There has always been only one gospel of the Kingdom of God, that was proclaimed to the covenant people of Old, as the Law and Prophets foretell a Messiah would come. The same gospel of the Kingdom of God proclaimed to the new covenant people of God as the churches (chosen/elect saints) are sent unto all the nations of the earth to proclaim the gospel of the Kingdom of God has come through the promised Messiah, Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior.

Yes the kingdom was promised in the old testament law and prophets. During his earthly ministry Jesus preached the gospel of the kingdom, in which he would reign from Jerusalem with the believing remnant of Israel for a thousand years. Christ sent the twelve to preach the kingdom as well. Paul doesnt preach the Davidic earthly kingdom, we arent looking for it

 

[rwb]

Yes the kingdom was promised in the old testament law and prophets. During his earthly ministry Jesus preached the gospel of the kingdom, in which he would reign from Jerusalem with the believing remnant of Israel for a thousand years. Christ sent the twelve to preach the kingdom as well. Paul doesnt preach the Davidic earthly kingdom, we arent looking for it

Why would anyone, since Christ has come and done away with the Old Covenant under the Law, to establish the New Covenant in His blood, preach of the old earthly kingdom? The only ones looking for the earthly kingdom of David are Israelites in unbelief who are still looking for the promised Messiah to come, and Christians who embrace the doctrine of dispensationalism with the restored temple and return to the Levitical Law when Christ comes again.

 

[Doug]

Why would anyone, since Christ has come and done away with the Old Covenant under the Law, to establish the New Covenant in His blood, preach of the old earthly kingdom? The only ones looking for the earthly kingdom of David are Israelites in unbelief who are still looking for the promised Messiah to come, and Christians who embrace the doctrine of dispensationalism with the restored temple and return to the Levitical Law when Christ comes again.

The new covenant is not yet in affect. It will be in affect in the kingdom on earth. One of the stipulations for the new covenant to be in affect is Israel in all the land.

 

[BeforeThereWas]

Not another or different gospel of the Kingdom of God through Christ! The same gospel of the Kingdom of God through Christ preached to different people, to the Jews first, then to Gentiles also.

Peter's gospel was indeed different from that of Paul. They are not one and the same in every respect apart the one commonality, which is Christ. The OTHER elements are what's different. Paul never preached the necessity for any work of effort for salvation. Peter, on the other hand, preached works for salvation through water baptism for the remission of sins, for they could not be saved without that remitting of their sins. That's not to say that getting wet remitted their sins, but rather the faith within them as expressed through the act. Paul laid down no such requirement for any act from personal effort to work outwardly the faith they had inwardly.

The thief on the cross could not come down and be baptized, and yet he was saved because of the faith the Lord saw within him in the midst of his situation at that time. One back then who would refuse water baptism showed their lack of faith through obedience, and thus retained their sins upon themselves.

Paul's gospel was simple in its intent for the Gentile world to whom the Law was never given, for we understand that the strength of sin is the Law, the very thing not given to them but that they had to embrace and join with when the middle wall of partition was still in place.

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[BeforeThereWas]

Not another or different gospel of the Kingdom of God through Christ! The same gospel of the Kingdom of God through Christ preached to different people, to the Jews first, then to Gentiles also.

Christ was and is indeed the foundation of both gospels, but the two gospels (one preached by Peter and the other by Paul) are not one and the same in every respect. THAT is what I've been saying.

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[BeforeThereWas]

Why would anyone, since Christ has come and done away with the Old Covenant under the Law, to establish the New Covenant in His blood, preach of the old earthly kingdom? The only ones looking for the earthly kingdom of David are Israelites in unbelief who are still looking for the promised Messiah to come, and Christians who embrace the doctrine of dispensationalism with the restored temple and return to the Levitical Law when Christ comes again.

I don't know who taught you that stuff, but we who are of Israel and who are Messianic in our beliefs know that the earthly Kingdom is indeed still coming, but only delayed for these past coupe of thousand years for YOUR benefit who were once no better than DOGS! Do you get that?

Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Luke 9:27 But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.

There are some Evangelicals who have a problem with the Lord exercising His prerogative to delay that coming Kingdom. That denial makes no sense because you Gentiles became partakers with Israel through this delay of what was promised to those of ancient times that they would see. Because of Israel's continued rejection of Christ, that middle wall of partition has come down. This is a blessing to you who were once called "dogs" by Christ Himself. Yes, you were once no better than dogs, but are now made neigh unto salvation without having to become a Jew and observe the Mosaic Law. You should be thankful rather than to embrace the crappy reasonings of Replacement Theology, thus a hatred of Israel and the word of God for what it says.

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