Full chapters are not verses. again you are vague but i will again try and find the needle in the haystack of your reply, but it's the last time.
Theological Examination of the Rapture in Relation to the Great Tribulation
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rebuilder 454
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I even quoted the verses.
It takes time to do what I did.
Why not be real and take one of my points and discuss why it is so differently interpreted.
What you are doing is like me insisting you post a verse saying " there is no postrib rapture"
Instead I showed you a panoramic view that None of your teachers outline. None if them include the Jewish component, the bride, the groom, the purpose of tge trib, and the fact that ch 13 has ALL OF EARTH'S POPULATION RECEIVEING THE MARK , or die.
That 100% kills all of doctrine, except pretrib.
So I not only laid out an vivid pretrib rapture teaching by Jesus, but I also revealed WHY it can not be a postrib rapture.
Davy
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That is a FALSE rapture, not written in God's Word. I'm pretty sure you well know it too, because Jesus said otherwise in Matthew 24:29-31 where He showed His future return is AFTER... the "great tribulation" when He will gather His saints.
Why... do I take the time to WARN you about this? I mean, normally if one wants to be deceived, no matter, they will eventually learn the Truth of God's Word when it comes to pass. However, this matter is different, because it IS... A SALVATION ISSUE.
HOW is understanding that Lord Jesus comes AFTER the "great tribulation" to gather His Church important as a SALVATION ISSUE? Simple -- it is because Lord Jesus and His Apostles warned His Church about a false-Messiah that will come first trying to play Him, and with miracles, signs and wonders that will be so powerful in deception, that IF... it were possible, would deceived even Christ's very elect. Many Churches are going to be delivered right to that false-Messiah with their deceived thinking he is Lord Jesus having returned, when it will not be Lord Jesus, but an imposter. It will be SATAN himself, IN PLAIN SIGHT, HERE ON EARTH, WITH HIS ANGELS, after they are cast out of Heaven to this earth by the war in Heaven per Revelation 12:7 forward.
Satan is not coming as his old self as he influenced beast kings of past history; he is not coming to murder, rape, and pillage like his old self. God said He made Satan the full pattern in Ezekiel 28, which means the full pattern of beauty. Satan is a beautiful angel. So imagine Satan coming to TRY and mimic what our Lord Jesus Christ would do, but on a world-wide scale upon all... nations and religions. Satan has always wanted to be worshiped as God, as that is how he originally rebelled in the beginning.
And the false Pre-trib Rapture theory is specifically DESIGNED to lead 'deceived' Christians to that false-Messiah who comes first, which will be Satan disguised as an Angel of Light. Thus those who put their faith in that false Pre-trib Rapture are in danger of Satan capturing their souls. And people's souls is specifically what Satan is after at the end of this world, for he knows he has a 'short time' until he perishes in the future "lake of fire", and he wants company with him to go in it.
Taken
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THAT IS the ONLY RAPTURE!!
No… Not otherwise.
The Rapture Occurs… BEFORE Jesus RETURNS TO Earth!!
The bigger question IS … WHY do you NOT Know the Difference BeTWEEN…
Those Converted “IN Christ” and “EVERYONE ELSE”?
It IS Right Here IN Scripture…Twice.
2 Cor 5:
[17] Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature:old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Gal.6
[15] For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
Why do you NOT know, the Rapture APPLIES ONLY to those new creatures IN Christ?
They are Delivered From the Tribulations and Wrath to Come.
They Return to the Earth…
Not Before Jesus,
Not After Jesus…
but WITH Jesus!!
1 Thes 4:
[16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
[17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
You should take your own advice…
* Learn the Difference Between the COMING to EARTH and RETURN-ED to EARTH.
* Learn the Difference Between… a man converted IN Christ and ALL others…
Non converted Believers and Non-Believers.
* Learn the Difference Between, Rapture and Resurrection.
Yes Jesus Returns AFTER the great Trib, I Never said otherwise.
No Jesus does NOT GATHER His Church AFTER the great Trib.
Christ Jesus gathers HIS CHURCH… Before the Great Trib. The Converted IN Christ…
Have Already Been Made WHOLE… a saint, His Faithful who Meet their Lord in the clouds/Air…. See Him as He IS,,, and Returns to EARTH With Him… and Serve Him during His millennial reign.
God shall gather They who become Saved During the Trib…
First Primarily ISRAEL as “God” Promised “ HE Would”!!
Taken
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@Davy … you as well… can YOU Respond to these points and questions?
Scripture Reveals. man converted IN Christ IS a new creature.
What you “missed” IS Revealing…
* The Converted IN Christ… ON the Earth…
During the … Trib From Heaven.
* What the Converted IN Christ ARE Doing ON Earth During the… Trib from Heaven.
* WHY the Lamb of God IS Punishing (with His Wrath) The Converted IN Christ.
* The difference Between…
The Converted IN Christ…
And Believers?
The Converted IN Christ…
And NonBelievers?
Do YOU, punish your children WHO Obey You… the Same as you punish your children WHO Do NOT Obey you?
Glory to God,
Taken
rebuilder 454
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QUOTE ;
"That is a FALSE rapture, not written in God's Word. I'm pretty sure you well know it too, because Jesus said otherwise in Matthew 24:29-31 where He showed His future return is AFTER... the "great tribulation" when He will gather His saints""
Thank you for that pretrib rapture verse.
Yes after the 7 yr gt Jesus sends angels to gather, meaning he is not involved in that gathering.
The angels gather us in heaven, having been there 7 years.
Some postribs try to twist it and say " Jesus gathers from earth"
Glad you quoted Jesus directly so we can actually not be deceived by man's postrib rapture tired false doctrine.
Thanks again for authenticating the pretrib rapture taught by Jesus.
Jesus centered end times around the bride and himself.
Postrib rapturists testify of a terrible time that they go through ( totally debunked), and themselves.
They are trib and introspection centered.
ALL their doctrine EXCLUDES Jesus, the bride, the Jewish gathering, and the last supper dialogue.
Pitiful man centered doctrine of extra biblical assumptions and omissions.
rebuilder 454
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Investigation is not your enemy.
Mat 24 ...."BEFORE THE FLOOD, ONE TAKEN/LEFT BEHIND"
MAT 25....THE virgin parable.
Vivid vivid depiction of the rapture....impossible to miss....and yet that parable is missing in EVERY postribbers testimony of end times.
Rev 19...the white horse return....and yet pstribbers TRANSPOSE JESUS coming on white horses into every rapture pretrib verse.
Acts 1....Jesus is prophesied by angels to "RETURN in like manner."
(100% pretrib depiction!!!)
....and yet postibs say "only one coming, only one coming, only one coming" ( making Rev 14 and the other rature verses a lie)
So they imagine Jesus in great glory and power, with an army of millions of white Horses leaving huge tribulation, and a massive war..
So far off it defies words.
Jesus’ prophecy in Matthew 24 is the most complete and direct teaching about His second coming. He began by warning His followers not to be deceived (Matthew 24:4). He said false christs and false prophets would appear, wars and disasters would come, and then a great tribulation would follow (Matthew 24:21). He also said, “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken” (Matthew 24:29). Then, and not before, He said, “Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory” (Matthew 24:30).
That is the Lord’s own timeline. There is no mention of a secret return before this. The word immediately makes it clear that His coming follows the tribulation directly.
He also said, “He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other” (Matthew 24:31). This trumpet and gathering match the moment described by His disciples later, not a different one.
In Matthew 13:39–43, in the parable of the wheat and tares, Jesus explained that “the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels.” He said, “The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness… Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father.” This again shows that the separation and gathering happen at the end of the age, not before. The tares are first gathered and burned, just as in the flood those taken away were destroyed, and the righteous remain to inherit the kingdom.
Those who quote “as in the days of Noah” (Matthew 24:37–39) often misunderstand the meaning. In the flood, those who were “taken” were the ones the flood swept away. Noah and his family were left behind alive to begin anew on the earth. The same idea is repeated in Luke 17:34–37. The disciples ask, “Where, Lord?” about the ones taken, and Jesus answers, “Where the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together,” pointing to death and judgment. The ones “left” are those spared. So, the passage is a warning of sudden judgment on the unprepared, not a secret rescue for the faithful.
Now, about the parable of the ten virgins in Matthew 25. It continues the same teaching from Matthew 24. The virgins are waiting for the Bridegroom, who delays (Matthew 25:5). The cry goes out at midnight, “Behold, the Bridegroom is coming!” (Matthew 25:6). Those who were wise go in with Him, and the door is shut (Matthew 25:10). The others come later and find it closed. This shows that the coming happens after a long waiting time and suddenly when the call goes out. There is no hint of an earlier event; it is a single arrival of the Bridegroom. The shutting of the door echoes Noah’s ark, where God shut the door (Genesis 7:16) before the flood came.
In Revelation 19, Jesus comes on a white horse with the armies of heaven following Him. This is not a different coming from Matthew 24 — it is the same. Both describe Him appearing in power and glory, judging the nations, and rewarding the faithful. Revelation 19:11–16 shows Him as King of kings, with eyes like fire and a sword from His mouth to strike the nations. There is no earlier hidden coming described anywhere. The idea of two comings of Christ , "one secret and one visible ", cannot be found in any words of Jesus or His apostles.
Acts 1:9–11 fits perfectly with this. The angels told the disciples, “This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.” He went up openly, visibly, in the clouds. He will come back in the same way at the appoint time like Jesus described in Matthew 24, openly, visibly, in the clouds. Acts 1 does not speak of a time for his return but simply stated the way he will return. This is the same vision Jesus spoke of in Matthew 24:30, where “they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven.”
Now let us add a few more witnesses from the Lord’s disciples. Peter said, “The day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat” (2 Peter 3:10). This is not a secret event, but a world-shaking one. The same image appears in Jesus’ own words: “Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away” (Matthew 24:35).
John also saw the same sequence in Revelation 6:12–17, where the sixth seal brings the darkening of the sun and the falling of the stars, the same signs Jesus described and then the people cry out, “Hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!” This shows His appearance happens after the time of tribulation, not before.
So, when people say Acts 1 shows a “pre-trib” coming, or that Matthew 24:40–41 means a secret rapture, they twist the order Jesus gave. The Lord’s message was never about escaping the test, but about standing firm through it. He said, “He who endures to the end shall be saved” (Matthew 24:13). He also told His followers, “In the world you will have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world” (John 16:33).
The truth is simple: there is only one return of Christ, after the tribulation, visible to all, when He gathers the faithful and judges the wicked. All His parables and prophecies agree on this. The “rapture” is the gathering of His people at that same moment, not a separate event.
To believe in a pre-tribulation coming is to ignore Jesus’ clear order of events and to invent something He never said. He called His people to be watchful and ready through hardship, not waiting for escape but for His glorious appearance when He comes in the clouds with His angels and takes His faithful into the everlasting kingdom.
The Scriptures show that God’s true followers are refined through trials, not taken away from them. Jesus said, “Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit” (John 15:2). This pruning is the testing of faith, the fire that purifies. Peter also said, “The genuineness of your faith, being much more precious than gold that perishes, though it is tested by fire, may be found to praise, honor, and glory at the revelation of Jesus Christ” (1 Peter 1:7). The same truth appears in Zechariah 13:9, where the Lord says, “I will bring the one-third through the fire, will refine them as silver is refined, and test them as gold is tested.” The fire here is not destruction but cleansing, proving who truly belongs to Him. Even John the Baptist said that Jesus would baptize “with the Holy Spirit and fire” (Matthew 3:11), showing that purification and endurance are part of the believer’s journey. Through these fires of testing, the faithful are made pure and ready for Christ’s return, shining like refined gold in His presence.
Davy
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You are speaking of a PRE-TRIB rapture in your posts, which NO, that idea of a PRE-TRIBUATIONAL is NOT Biblical.
A POST-TRIBULATIONAL rapture IS... Biblical, and is what Apostle Paul taught in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 with the idea of the alive saints on earth being "caught up" on the day of Christ's future SECOND COMING on the "day of the Lord". The "day of the Lord" is the LAST DAY of this present world.
That idea is NOT written in The Bible.
What is... written is what Jesus said in Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27. Go read it man, and quit listening to quacks who steal your money and could care less about your soul.
Davy
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That Matthew 24:29-31 verse I quoted is NOT about a false PRE-TRIB RAPTURE. I'm pretty certain, and definitely so now since you are now mocking that Bible Scripture by claiming it says the reverse, that you WELL KNOW a PRE-TRIB RAPTURE is false, and that you are part of the CONSPIRATORS working for the devil to push it. That is exactly what your rhetoric sounds like.
And just so others do not doubt that Matthew 24:29-31 Scripture by Lord Jesus IS... about a POST-TRIBULATIONAL COMING TO GATHER HIS SAINTS, here is what He said...
Matt 24:29-31
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And He shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
KJV
ALL... of those above events happen at the SAME time, the same day, the LAST DAY of this world IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE GREAT TRIBULATION, like Jesus said there.
Taken
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Repeating yourself does not equal a factual Truth…
No. Regardless of the Language…the Word means the SAME…
To snatch, seize, take…
* WHAT… in context of Scripture IS The WHOLE of a Man Who HAS Been “MADE” (a new creature) … IN Christ!
* From WHERE… Earth, mans habitat /estate.
* TO WHERE… UP To The Fathers kingdom, House….Heaven, which begins at the Clouds.
* WHAT man?… THE man, Converted, Made WHOLE…a New creature…body, soul, spirit.
* WHY?
* Because THAT man HAS Already Accomplished DOING The WORKS, God Requires … For The man to become “MADE a NEW Creature”, and PREPARED to meet His Lord and Savior, See Him AS He IS “Spirit”… and Be “WITH Him Forever, Where-ever He IS”!
THAT Does NOT Apply TO ANY OTHER men!
For Centuries God Has Saved souls after a mans Body Died while the man Believed IN God, (and His Word) and their DEAD bodies Remained ON Earth…. Nothing New, God shall continue During the Trib to Save mens souls, Quicken mens spirits who Die in Belief IN God and His Word, and their Dead body’s remain ON Earth… Waiting for Resurrection, and their departed saved souls and quicken spirits, rest IN Heaven and WILL Be returned to their Risen Bodies ON Earth.
It is on the Day of their (a NOT-Converted), believing, dead body, “resurrection” THEY are MADE WHOLE… body, soul, spirit…. Whom Shall be Gathered “on Earth” After the Trib.
Different Language… same meaning.
English……………………..rapture
Hebrew………..…………..shilhuv
Latin…………………....…..raptus
Greek……………………..…harpazo
Brazilian Portuguese… êxtase
Chinese……………………. 狂喜
European Spanish…….. éxtasis
French……………………… extase
German……………………. Entzücken
Italian……………………….. estasi
Japanese………………….. 狂喜
Korean……………………….황홀감
European Portuguese: êxtase
Latin American Spanish: éxtasis
You Fail to comprehend…a BELIEVER and a CONVERTED BELIEVER… are NOT the Same!l, NOR subject to the SAME Consequences.!
A Believer, NOT converted… “REFUSED to Take “The Lamb of Gods Baptism”… and Thus, IF they are Still Alive when the Trib Begins … THEY WILL suffer… the Wrath of the Lamb…. For Rejecting Him and His Offering…
And FYI… the Wrath of the Lamb IS encompassed IN the First 7 Judgements of The Trib sent from Heaven.
They Converted IN Christ…are Escaped, Delivered, Excepted, Not Appointed To Suffer Wrath sent Down from Heaven, to Be sent upon the WHOLE World.
No where Have YOU provided “ONE Scripture of The Converted IN Christ ON Earth, Or Them Doing Anything During the Trib. ON Earth. There is no such Scripture… Because THEY are Not ON the Earth during the Trib….same as Faithful Noah was NOT ON the Earth, during the First great Trib sent from Heaven.
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Davy
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The written Bible Scripture agrees with me.
Charlatans who work against The Father and The Son agree with a false pre-trib rapture theory from men.
Taken
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Why do you continue to AVOID Addressing, Providing ANY Scriptures of MEN “Converted IN Christ”… on EARTH during the Trib…
What are they Doing?
Where are they?
Why is the “Lamb of God” sending His 7 Seal Judgements of Wrath upon them?
Humm?
rebuilder 454
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QUOTE:
"In Revelation 19, Jesus comes on a white horse with the armies of heaven following Him. This is not a different coming from Matthew 24 — it is the same. Both describe Him appearing in power and glory, judging the nations, and rewarding the faithful. Revelation 19:11–16 shows Him as King of kings, with eyes like fire and a sword from His mouth to strike the nations. There is no earlier hidden coming described anywhere. The idea of two comings of Christ , "one secret and one visible ", cannot be found in any words of Jesus or His apostles."
This is where you divert from the actual written word and trust your assumptions.
Your key assumption is "secret coming"
And proceed to make your case off of an assumption, and ACTUALLY USE OMISSIONS as if you are going to "prove" your doctrine that YOU ADMIT are off of omissions.
The bible written Word is what I am going by.
AHEM...you just proved correctly that Jesus coming in power and great glory in mat 24 is in fact the 2nd Coming on White horses in revelation chapter nineteen.
So we both agree those two passages, are fact, the same event.
Now compare that to acts one.
" this same Jesus That u c taken up into heaven will return in like manner"
There is ZERO similarities in those 2 dynamics...AS YOU ACTUALLY DEMONSTRATED.
John Smith Leaves town on a bicycle, and his friends see him off at the city limits. He rides off by itself. His friends tell his family. " John will return in like manner as you see him leaving right now."
A few months later, his family is notified that John should be returning about 2 PM. So his family goes to the city limits to meet him.
They see John returning on He's bicycle buy himself.
He returned in like manner.
Now let's see your version;
"John Smith returns a few months later on a horse with millions of others, also on horses, with his mouth as a flame thrower, his robe is dipped in blood, and he has a Crown and is warring with another army right behind his family."
There is ZERO "like manner" there.
Nothing at all fits..nothing!
Your authentication of your doctrine by you is
"See, he will be on a road and visible " (ignoring the obvious difference)
"That is like manner".
Wow....amazing how you are able to convince yourself of a made up bizarre analogy.
QUOTE;
"To believe in a pre-tribulation coming is to ignore Jesus’ clear order of events and to invent something He never said. He called His people to be watchful and ready through hardship, not waiting for escape..."
Tell it to lot, Noah, and the baby Jesus.
They were all gathered up and removed. They they escaped.
Jesus said; "..but pray that you may be counted worthy to escape the things about to come up on the earth and stand for the son of man."
Jesus said; "....because you have kept the word of my testimony. I will also keep you from the hour of temptation about to come upon the whole world."
Did the Lord make a mistake?
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rebuilder 454
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QUOTE
" So, when people say Acts 1 shows a “pre-trib” coming, or that Matthew 24:40–41 means a secret rapture, they twist the order Jesus gave. The Lord’s message was never about escaping the test, but about standing firm through it"
Lol, acts one in no way fits your analogy of omission.
Your grand canyon leap is plain bizarre.
I already showed you 5 examples, BY JESUS himself, of escape.
You have Jesus wrong 5 times.
rebuilder 454
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What do you and "loveyeshua" do with Rev 14?
Let me guess, Jesus is not sitting on a cloud holding a sickle.
That "misprint", should actually read ,that Jesus is on a horse with an army , with no sickle in his hand .
( that will save the incorrect " one coming deal"?)
Just plain bizarre where a doctrine carries you guys.
rebuilder 454
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And notice ALL POSTRIBS omit what the Bible brings in pretrib rapture verses.
The reason we own end times is demonstrated in attempts by them to actually change the pretrib rapture verses.
rebuilder 454
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QUOTE
" to believe in a pre-tribulation coming is to ignore Jesus’ clear order of events and to invent something He never said. He called His people to be watchful and ready through hardship, not waiting for escape but for His glorious appearance when He comes in the clouds with His angels and takes His faithful into the everlasting kingdom"
Ok. Now think about your framing of that.
You think, inspite of the bible, that ONLY SURVIVORS of the gt are in God's will.
News flash,
1) the ac kills all refusing the mark.
2) the ac is given power over the saints.
3) the dead in Christ NEVER WENT THROUGH THE TRIB, they ALL DIED PRETRIB.....but in your mind ,you assume the church must " go through due to God's will".
This is pure conjecture.
As we speak million of believers are suffering torture and death. THAT dynamic is a parallel. That is nothing to do with salvation or making others some minimal believer for no torture/martyrdom in Their Christian walk.
The GT is "Jacob's trouble"
" Israel's trouble"
But to omit scripture guarantees false assumptions in that defying the word of God, the AC does not Kill all the saints.
Why change that to think you are Going through What the Bible CLEARLY SAYS you ARE NOT.
You can not discern the clear word???
The WORD says NONE GO THROUGH.
THEY ALL DIED that refuse the mark.
How can you ignore the clear words that ALL DIE ????????
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rebuilder 454
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You will never, ever, see a postribber bring up that all die who refuse the mark.
They do not even know it is there
They do not even know it is there
Davy
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There is NO SUCH SCRIPTURE EVIDENCE of non-believers converting to Lord Jesus DURING THE "GREAT TRIBULATION".
And it's funny that you'd think there is Bible Scripture proof of that, because it just reveals who you have been listening to, and it ain't The Word of God.
What does God's Word show about folk's belief during the "great tribulation"?...
God's Word reveals that everyone, as to what they believed PRIOR to going into the "great tribulation" is what they will CONTINUE to believe DURING THAT "GREAT TRIBULATION".
NEWS BULLETIN:
I know man's False Pre-trib theories wrongly preach their idea of "tribulation saints", i.e., the Jews who convert to Christ DURING the "great tribulation". But that is a FALSE MAN-MADE idea of theirs. They made it up! How can we know?
It is because firstly, the 144,000 Israelites that are 'sealed' of Revelation 7 MEAN BELIEVERS of ISRAEL that are SEALED IN CHRIST PRIOR... to the start of the "great tribulation", and are 'sealed' IN ORDER TO GO THROUGH IT. That 'sealing' by God there is by The Holy Spirit, it is ONLY for those in Christ Jesus! How could the false Pre-trib doctors not understand that since Apostle Paul made that so plain in other NT Scripture?
Then per what Lord Jesus said in Luke 23:27-31 about and to the Jewish women who wept for Him, AND to their children, it shows the unbelieving Jews will REMAIN deceived as non-believers on Jesus throughout the "great tribulation", and ONLY WAKE UP to KNOW Who Jesus is at HIS FUTURE APPEARANCE AFTER... THE TRIBULATION!
Luke 23:27-30
27 And there followed Him a great company of people, and of women, which also bewailed and lamented Him.
28 But Jesus turning unto them said, "Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for Me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children.
29 For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, 'Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck.'
30 Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, 'Fall on us'; and to the hills, 'Cover us.'"
KJV
Jesus showed those deceived Jews will say that, 'Blessed are the barren,..." idea from Isaiah 54 about the believers WHO DID NOT FALL AWAY IN UNBELIEF. That is why Jesus then shows those Jews who were deceived during the "great tribulation" that they will be in SHAME when Jesus appears, as they will wish for the mountains to, "Fall on us", and for the hills to, "Cover us."
But of course, you don't know anything about the above per God's Word, because you put your trust in MEN's FALSE DOCTRINES, and NOT what God's written Word actually teaches.
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