I'm not the one attacking the credentials of James Tour PhD, Stephen Meyer PhD.
I'm not the one who claimed they didn't have a PhD
Anyone who critiques them then would need to be of equal caliber which apparently neither of us are :)
Do you believe in biological evolution?
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I'm not the one who claimed they didn't have a PhD
Anyone who critiques them then would need to be of equal caliber which apparently neither of us are :)
Chihuahua
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I am pointing out their credentials are irrelevant to speak on evolution. I pointed out it is a logical fallacy. Do you want a person with a doctorate in psychology to do open heart surgery?
Having a doctorate in a field does not make you more of an expert than anyone with a similar background in area. Someone with a M.S. in molecular genetics would be more qualified than them.
I admitted I mistook them for those cited earlier with a honorary doctorate (which means not a real degree.
No, anyone who understands basic logical fallacies realizes that being a celebrity or having a doctorate doesn't make them more informed or authoritative on any given subject.
The fact is, insofar as this subject, I am more qualified based on education and my work in research. Does that matter in pointing out a logical fallacy? No. They are more qualified in their areas of expertise which is not molecular genetics.
Chihuahua
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How is that relevant? His expertise in Chemistry has nothing to do with evolution.
Let us suppose I have no degrees. Does that change the fact being an expert in Chemistry has no bearing on evolution?
If a person has a doctorate in literature and says not to take a certain medicine against all advice from the medical community, do you think this person got smarts?
Case answered, you do not have the qualifications required to critique their work :)
Next topic, the Gal 2:7-9 Gospels teachings in ALL the early Bibles, which of the early Bible do you prefer ?
Chihuahua
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I do on the basis he has no qualifications and I already pointed out it was a fallacy. I suppose you are of the mindset that he went to fancy school and got himself a phd and knows everything. He has no better qualifications than someone who took a course in college biology.
Despite being irrelevant and the only thing being relevant is a logical fallacy you can look up and common sense should provide you...
You just want to know my undergrads? I did a two for one special.
Mathematics
Molecular Biology w/minor Chemistry
Oh look, I am already more knowledgeable in the field.
I also spent 5 years in grad school (it was expensive, but I got a free ride)
Oh, and I did molecular research in four universities. Papers were peer reviewed and published.
I did my fair share of genetic engineering, DNA slicing and dicing. I had a transgenic mouse colony. I liked anatomic pathology, especially immunohistochemistry. It sure is pretty.
Chihuahua
Member
The topic is Do you Believe in Biological Evolution. If you want to begin another topic it seems a bit rude to begin one in a topic initiated by another person. I do not understand the relevance of "the Gal 2:7-9 Gospels teachings in ALL the early Bibles, which of the early Bible do you prefer ?" to this topic.
I further confused by the question.
Galatians is not a Gospel, it is an Epistle.
It doesn't really touch on the Gospels in those verses.
I am not sure what you mean by "ALL the early Bibles" That is a rather complicated topic depending on where and when.
I further confused by the question.
Galatians is not a Gospel, it is an Epistle.
It doesn't really touch on the Gospels in those verses.
I am not sure what you mean by "ALL the early Bibles" That is a rather complicated topic depending on where and when.
Davy
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That sounds like men's debate about the word 'science'. God's Word will always... agree with 'true' science. The theory of evolution is man's pseudo-science. The Genesis account is not just poetry nor just a story.
The New Earth Creation (NEC) theories believe the earth is only around 6,000 years, which idea actually got started in the 17th century by Ussher who researched Bible history and secular historical events and set the date for God forming the man Adam in 4004 B.C.
The rest of your post is just made up opinion, not based on the real facts. The woolly mammoth frozen and buried in ice while still grazing in a green field in the Arctic zone is not a 'story' either.
And the fact that aircraft pilots must adjust their compass heading over long distance flights according to a 'standard' amount, like 6 degrees going east, and 8 degrees going west, meaning the magnetic and geographical error is established in a spot that allows them to navigate. If man's theory that magnetic north is constantly changing to not make a difference, then pilots wouldn't have to adjust their compass. Thus your opinion on that isn't according to reality either.
Davy
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Chihuahua
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There isn't a debate. Science is the pursuit of knowledge.
Google AI:
Airplanes primarily navigate using Magnetic North (where compasses point) for general headings and air traffic control, but use True North (geographic pole) for charts and polar regions, requiring pilots to adjust for the difference (variation) between them.
Davy
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Brethren in Christ:
Here's something to note which pseudo-science doesn't like for us to talk about... and they certainly do not realize it is a matter covered in God's Word...
Deut 23:2
2 A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.
KJV
The KJV word above "bastard" in the Hebrew is mamzer, and has to do with mixed race. God is actually saying in the above verse that Israel was not to allow one of 'mixed race' to enter into the congregation of Israel to his 10th generation. Why must that mamzer's seed wait until 10 generations have passed in his lineage? Does it take an evolutionist to know the answer to that? NO!
It is because by the 10th generation, the lineage of that person's racial mix will be purged out. God saying this per the old covenant reveals that He does not like us mixing up our race that He created us with, and I speak of root races that began in the beginning of His creation per Genesis 1:26-27 (per the Hebrew).
God also commanded that we not mix our animal's seed, nor even crop seed (Lev.19:19).
With certain animals, like dogs and cats for example since most of us see them often, they copulate with multiple partners when the female is in her time. Thus dogs and cats have litters of pups or kittens from the seed of different fathers during her time. The offspring can thus be a mix. This can and has happened also with human women that had multiple partners in her time, producing separate sacs in her womb from each father. I recall an news article from Germany where a woman gave birth to twins, one who was White and the other who was Black. Science calls those kind of twins Fraternal Twins. They were from two different fathers she mated with in her time.
Thus there is no evidence of a woman bearing children of different races from the same father. An Oriental mother and an Oriental father produces an Oriental child, not of any other race. That is according to God's Plan in His creation. And if... a woman does copulate outside her race, let's say she is White and the father is Asian, their offspring will be a mix of both races. And then... if... the child continues lineage in only ONE of the races, like child's seed continues only with marrying an Asian spouse, then the race characteristics of the White heritage will begin to subside, like God's Word showed in the Deuteronomy 23:2 verse above.
Need I say it then? I guess I do...
God's Word, AND real science, reveals that Darwin's theory of the evolution of species is pseudo-science, and not according to the real world at all. The FACT... that if a child of mixed race continues his/her lineage in only ONE of their parent's race, and the other parent's race will begin to subside and be purged out, proves God's creation of seed to ONLY produce after its kind...
The following Bible Scripture is not poetry, nor just a 'story'. It is God's science of FACT... per His creation... not evolution...
Gen 1:12
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
KJV
Gen 1:21
21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
KJV
Gen 1:24-25
24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
KJV
Gen 1:26-27
26 And God said, Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in His Own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them.
KJV
Here's something to note which pseudo-science doesn't like for us to talk about... and they certainly do not realize it is a matter covered in God's Word...
Deut 23:2
2 A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.
KJV
The KJV word above "bastard" in the Hebrew is mamzer, and has to do with mixed race. God is actually saying in the above verse that Israel was not to allow one of 'mixed race' to enter into the congregation of Israel to his 10th generation. Why must that mamzer's seed wait until 10 generations have passed in his lineage? Does it take an evolutionist to know the answer to that? NO!
It is because by the 10th generation, the lineage of that person's racial mix will be purged out. God saying this per the old covenant reveals that He does not like us mixing up our race that He created us with, and I speak of root races that began in the beginning of His creation per Genesis 1:26-27 (per the Hebrew).
God also commanded that we not mix our animal's seed, nor even crop seed (Lev.19:19).
With certain animals, like dogs and cats for example since most of us see them often, they copulate with multiple partners when the female is in her time. Thus dogs and cats have litters of pups or kittens from the seed of different fathers during her time. The offspring can thus be a mix. This can and has happened also with human women that had multiple partners in her time, producing separate sacs in her womb from each father. I recall an news article from Germany where a woman gave birth to twins, one who was White and the other who was Black. Science calls those kind of twins Fraternal Twins. They were from two different fathers she mated with in her time.
Thus there is no evidence of a woman bearing children of different races from the same father. An Oriental mother and an Oriental father produces an Oriental child, not of any other race. That is according to God's Plan in His creation. And if... a woman does copulate outside her race, let's say she is White and the father is Asian, their offspring will be a mix of both races. And then... if... the child continues lineage in only ONE of the races, like child's seed continues only with marrying an Asian spouse, then the race characteristics of the White heritage will begin to subside, like God's Word showed in the Deuteronomy 23:2 verse above.
Need I say it then? I guess I do...
God's Word, AND real science, reveals that Darwin's theory of the evolution of species is pseudo-science, and not according to the real world at all. The FACT... that if a child of mixed race continues his/her lineage in only ONE of their parent's race, and the other parent's race will begin to subside and be purged out, proves God's creation of seed to ONLY produce after its kind...
The following Bible Scripture is not poetry, nor just a 'story'. It is God's science of FACT... per His creation... not evolution...
Gen 1:12
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
KJV
Gen 1:21
21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
KJV
Gen 1:24-25
24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
KJV
Gen 1:26-27
26 And God said, Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in His Own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them.
KJV
Davy
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There is a debate, a huge one. You made a statement of error that the creation account in Genesis is only a 'story', and not about true science. You'd probably claim the same error when considering the Hebrews 11:3 verse also, that reveals material matter did not create itself, which man's science agrees with (matter can neither be created nor destroyed, but only change its state - solid, liquid, gas, vapor, etc.). So if matter didn't originate from itself, then how was it created, and who created it?
No need to try and show you know what you're talking about, when you don't.
I've worked in aviation all my life, and my degree included pilot training in order to pass my private pilot's exam. Pilots even use a saying when correcting their compass heading because of the magnetic/geographic north error. "East is least" (6 degrees correction), and "West is best" (8 degrees correction).
Chihuahua
Member
Davy
Well-Known Member
Silly reply. And I don't need to refer to AI to say that for me.
Your posts are a breath of fresh air compared to some of the no sense nonsense you are having to respond to & rebuke.
Davy
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As long as we stick to what God's Word actually says as written, then that's how it should be, even a lot of those who stray don't like me because I guess I spoil their fun. But it's not really me spoiling their fun, it is The Word of God as written that does that; they only misdirect the rebuke to me personally.
Chihuahua
Member
You wrote that you worked in aviation, in what capacity?
I am not following you.
Chihuahua
Member
It is not science. It is not a debate anymore than Elvis, Bigfoot, and the Loch Ness monster are debated. Evolution is a fact and a few people cling to something not because it is a matter of faith, but an interpretation. You have others that say oh, I accept micro evolution because that is a fact, but somehow God has put limits on how much something can evolve.
God just does a fantastic job of testing our faith. Donkeys and horses can have a child, but mules cannot breed, meaning they were once the same species.
What is sad is there are people in this very forum who have been so brainwashed by this nonsense they believe if you don't treat Genesis like a science book, which it is not, you will go to hell. What is incredibly sad is that generally these very same people DENY THE WORDS OF CHRIST. They are plain as day. It is plainly said that we must have the body and blood of Christ. When the crowds scoffed and left, He did not say... oh I was being symbolic. It is right there in your face. Now that is theologically important. Same thing with baptism, the very same people will say, noooooooo baptism is symbolic. No where does the bible say it is a symbol. Two critically important aspects of the Christian faith and they call it symbolic while saying believing that belief in an outdated disproven unimportant thing that how creation came about is a matter of Heaven or hell.
What is bad is that their false beliefs come from Gnosticism. Gnostics believe that all material things are inherently bad, thus bread and wine can't actually be important, same as water. Deny deny deny what is critically important and then claim and rebuke and testify that your interpretation of something as a matter of science, not faith, is what is really important.
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LOL
Stephen Meyers says it did.
The Cambrian explosian is a big problem for evolutionists.
It does not reflect what they believe...that animals evolved slowly.
There's a sudden appearance of animals and plants that did not exist prior to this explosion.
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