Revelation 20:1-15 & the 1,000 years (aka Millennium) Bible Study

[Spiritual Israelite]

Correct, Jesus has been given all power and authority and exercises it today over the angels, even as we await that hour which no one knows.

Matthew 24:30 “Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.”

Did He need Israel to recognize and acknowledge Him as their King for that to be the case? No. So, take that into account and adjust your understanding accordingly.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Since He is King now then it doesn't require anyone's acknowledgement for Him to be King, right?

Think about that for a moment....

 

[Hiddenthings]

Did He need Israel to recognize and acknowledge Him as their King for that to be the case? No. So, take that into account and adjust your understanding accordingly.

What was placed above his head?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The first task of the saints at Christ’s return is the salvation of Judah. Perhaps a review of the Old Testament would clarify the role of the saints in the kingdom age. Your inability to grasp the meaning of Deuteronomy 32:1 highlights this need.

LOL. I can barely take any more of your nonsense. If what you were saying was actually true, we would see that taught in the New Testament, but we don't. The New Testament authors clearly did not have the same understanding of the Old Testament as you do. I'm going to go with what they taught rather than with your flawed understanding of the Old Testament.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Think about that for a moment....

Don't play games. I obviously have thought a lot about all these things that we're talking about, so you don't need to tell me to think about it. What are you talking about here? If you're just going to play games like this then we're definitely done, so let me know.

 

[Hiddenthings]

@Spiritual Israelite

(Look! He is returning with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him, and all the tribes on the earth will mourn because of him. This will certainly come to pass! Amen. Re 1:7.

Have you seen this written somewhere in the OT/

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

What was placed above his head?

Stop playing games with these questions. Tell me what point you are wanting to make or we're done.

 

[Hiddenthings]

LOL. I can barely take any more of your nonsense.

When truth is presented, it can be very confronting, especially if you have not noticed these things in the text and have been relying on a previously held understanding.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Stop playing games with these questions. Tell me what point you are wanting to make or we're done.

If you do not know what was placed above the head of Christ during his crucifixion you are wasting my time.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Don't play games. I obviously have thought a lot about all these things that we're talking about, so you don't need to tell me to think about it. What are you talking about here? If you're just going to play games like this then we're definitely done, so let me know.

You implied your King does not need his subjects to willingly love and serve him which must mean you believe he demands this by force.

My King is not your King.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

@Spiritual Israelite

(Look! He is returning with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him, and all the tribes on the earth will mourn because of him. This will certainly come to pass! Amen. Re 1:7.

Have you seen this written someone in the OT/

No, I haven't. There is something written that is similar in Zechariah 12:10, but that verse has a different context than Revelation 1:7. Zechariah 12:10 is quoted by Jesus Himself in a first coming context in John 19:37. Obviously, Revelation 1:7 has a second coming context. In Zechariah 12:10, it's about people mourning His death, which many people did when He was crucified. Revelation 1:7 has to do with people around the world wailing in fear when He returns because of His wrath (see Revelation 6:12-17).

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

If you do not know what was placed above the head of Christ during his crucifixion you are wasting my time.

Of course I know that, but I'm not wanting to play your 20 questions game. Just get to the point. Good grief. Are you like this with people in person? Unbelievable.

 

[Hiddenthings]

No, I haven't. There is something written that is similar in Zechariah 12:10, but that verse has a different context than Revelation 1:7. Zechariah 12:10 is quoted by Jesus Himself in a first coming context in John 19:37.

When do you think Zechariah 12:20 will be fulfilled?

Obviously, Revelation 1:7 has a second coming context.

Agree!

In Zechariah 12:10, it's about people mourning His death, which many people did when He was crucified. Revelation 1:7 has to do with people around the world wailing in fear when He returns because of His wrath (see Revelation 6:12-17).

Take another look at Zech 12:10

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You implied your King does not need his subjects to willingly love and serve him which must mean you believe he demands this by force.

My King is not your King.

You are not understanding the point. I'm talking about his authority as King and not talking about Him as our King on a personal level in terms of us being in His spiritual kingdom that only believers are in. He said Himself that He has all authority and power in heaven and on earth. That makes Him King over all of heaven and earth in the sense of His authority. So, there's two different contexts in which we can talk about His kingship. Saying "My King is not your King" was a very immature thing to say without first finding out the context of what is being said. Grow up.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Of course I know that, but I'm not wanting to play your 20 questions game. Just get to the point. Good grief. Are you like this with people in person? Unbelievable.

John 19:19 “Pilate also wrote an inscription and put it on the cross. It read, ‘Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews.’”

What is the first order of work for Christ and the Saints when he returns?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

When do you think Zechariah 12:20 will be fulfilled?

You mean Zechariah 12:10? I already told you that Jesus quoted it in a first coming context, so it was fulfilled long ago.

Agree!

Take another look at Zech 12:10

No. I've looked at it many times already. You talk to me like I'm someone who just started reading the Bible. I'm tired of your nonsense, so I'm done with you. I know you will continue trying to talk to me, anyway, but I've had it with your games and childish nonsense.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

John 19:19 “Pilate also wrote an inscription and put it on the cross. It read, ‘Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews.’”

What is the first order of work for Christ and the Saints when he returns?

What more work does Christ need to do for the Jews than to die for their sins? None. You are clueless. I'm done.

 

[Hiddenthings]

You are not understanding the point.

I understand precisely what you are implying.

I'm talking about his authority as King and not talking about Him as our King on a personal level in terms of us being in His spiritual kingdom that only believers are in.

Not exercised in the earth fully yet!

He said Himself that He has all authority and power in heaven and on earth. That makes Him King over all of heaven and earth in the sense of His authority.

A King without a Kingdom!

So, there's two different contexts in which we can talk about His kingship. Saying "My King is not your King" was a very immature thing to say without first finding out the context of what is being said. Grow up.

If the fracture Christian world is your King's Kingdom today then your King is not my King...if you get my drift!

If you do not understand what is required for your King to establish rulership in the Earth, there are plenty of OT Prophecy teachings to help.

 

[Hiddenthings]

What more work does Christ need to do for the Jews than to die for their sins? None. You are clueless. I'm done.

Well you quoted Zech 12:10 - the start!

 

[Luther7]

You make a fair point regarding whether the 1,000 years should be understood literally or figuratively. I’m not dogmatic either way. What matters is that it represents a defined period in which the world is brought into subjection to Christ as King in Jerusalem, during which the Apostles administer the affairs of the twelve tribes of Israel. Many other events must take place before its start.

The only Jerusalem that Jesus has His eyes set on is the New, heavenly Jerusalem. There's nothing to look forward to on this current sin- cursed earth.