THE GOSPEL AND HEALING

[Ronald Nolette]

Whether the believing little flock remnant or the body of Christ they were all in Christ and brethren/sisters

So today you do not believe there is a remnant of believing Jews? You are sounding like a Jehovahs Witness in this.

The body of Christ is based on the teachings Christ gave Paul not the twelve

So then all the Gentiles saved by the Apostles apart from Paul are not part of the body of Christ according to you.

 

[amigo de christo]

So you are saying that the church before Paul is not part of the body of Christ then. biblical proof? So all Jews won by the apostles (excluding Paul) and the Samaritans and the Gentiles saved before Paul are not part of the body of Christ according to you.

The man is in massive confusion .

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The body of Christ is based on the teachings Christ gave Paul not the twelve

So what happened at Pentecost when teh Holy Spirrit came and indwelt those in the upper room? You are saying these people did not become part of the body of christ. What about all their converts? How many entered the body of christ and how many were excluded??

 

[amigo de christo]

So what happened at Pentecost when teh Holy Spirrit came and indwelt those in the upper room? You are saying these people did not become part of the body of christ. What about all their converts? How many entered the body of christ and how many were excluded??

The man is in massive confusion .

 

[Doug]

So your conclusion that Peter is not part of the church with Paul is just your opinion. Wrong as it is.

I said........."Here is a question for you..............where does Peter say he was a member of Christ's body?"
My objective was to show that Peter NEVER speaks of the body of Christ, while on the other hand, Paul does speak of the church members as being the body of Christ.........[1 Corinthians 12:27 KJV] "Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular."

 

[Doug]

So you are saying that the church before Paul is not part of the body of Christ then. biblical proof? So all Jews won by the apostles (excluding Paul) and the Samaritans and the Gentiles saved before Paul are not part of the body of Christ according to you.

Good question
Yes I am saying that the church Paul persecuted was not the body of Christ and all those saved by Jesus and Peter and the disciples are part of the little flock believing remnant of Israel and are the ones Paul persecuted.
This may be hard to articulate but here is a proof that the church Paul persecuted was not the body of Christ.
The members of the little flock (which Paul persecuted) were said to be resurrected on the last day..........[John 6:40 KJV] "And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day."............they will be resurrected to reign with Christ in the millennial kingdom...........[Revelation 20:6 KJV] "Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."............................[1 Corinthians 15:23 KJV] "But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming."
[1 Corinthians 15:24 KJV] "Then [cometh] the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.".............when Christ comes he will raise the little flock and then after they are in the kingdom on earth the kingdom will be delivered to God.

The resurrection of the body of Christ is a mystery not revealed and is separate from the resurrection of the last day...............[1 Corinthians 15:51 KJV] "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,"

Two separate resurrections for two churches

 

[Doug]

So today you do not believe there is a remnant of believing Jews?

No they all died out. The believe remnant believed the preaching of Jesus and the twelve.

 

[Doug]

So then all the Gentiles saved by the Apostles apart from Paul are not part of the body of Christ according to you.

Right these are Gentiles in Acts 10 who are part of the remnant of Israel little flock and will enter the earthly kingdom

 

[Doug]

So what happened at Pentecost when teh Holy Spirrit came and indwelt those in the upper room? You are saying these people did not become part of the body of christ. What about all their converts? How many entered the body of christ and how many were excluded??

[Acts 1:8 KJV] "But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth."...........The disciples would be given the Holy Ghost at Pentecost to be witnesses ..........[Acts 4:33 KJV] "And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all."

Pentecost is a fulfillment of Joel ............[Acts 2:16 KJV] "But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;"

No church was formed at Pentecost. The existing believing remnant church led by Peter was added to........[Acts 2:41 KJV] "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added [unto them] about three thousand souls."

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I said........."Here is a question for you..............where does Peter say he was a member of Christ's body?"
My objective was to show that Peter NEVER speaks of the body of Christ, while on the other hand, Paul does speak of the church members as being the body of Christ.........[1 Corinthians 12:27 KJV] "Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular."

So in your opinion whose body was Peter part of? And if he was not part of the body, then why did Paul say the body of Christ is built on the Apostles????

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Good question
Yes I am saying that the church Paul persecuted was not the body of Christ and all those saved by Jesus and Peter and the disciples are part of the little flock believing remnant of Israel and are the ones Paul persecuted.
This may be hard to articulate but here is a proof that the church Paul persecuted was not the body of Christ.
The members of the little flock (which Paul persecuted) were said to be resurrected on the last day..........[John 6:40 KJV] "And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day."............they will be resurrected to reign with Christ in the millennial kingdom...........[Revelation 20:6 KJV] "Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."............................[1 Corinthians 15:23 KJV] "But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming."
[1 Corinthians 15:24 KJV] "Then [cometh] the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.".............when Christ comes he will raise the little flock and then after they are in the kingdom on earth the kingdom will be delivered to God.

The resurrection of the body of Christ is a mystery not revealed and is separate from the resurrection of the last day...............[1 Corinthians 15:51 KJV] "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,"

Two separate resurrections for two churches

WEll you are correct that there are two separate resurrections. One at the rapture and one before the millennial kingdom for the OT saints.

But you are wrong that there are two churches. You make that argument from silence and not from evidence. So the gentiles and Jews that were saved by the original apostles are part of the OT resurrection at the beginning of teh millennial and not part of the body of Christ in your opinion?

When did jewish believers become part of teh body of Christ according to you and did any of the converts from Peter and the original 11 become part of the body and what evidence do you present to support such a hypothesis?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

No they all died out. The believe remnant believed the preaching of Jesus and the twelve.

Proof? They were filled with the Holy Spiirit as all other members of the body of Christ. OT saints were not. So where is your definitive proof that all those converted by the apostles are excluded from the church.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Right these are Gentiles in Acts 10 who are part of the remnant of Israel little flock and will enter the earthly kingdom

Are you sure you are not a Jehovahs witness? you sound so eerily similar to their false teaching.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

[Acts 1:8 KJV] "But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth."...........The disciples would be given the Holy Ghost at Pentecost to be witnesses ..........[Acts 4:33 KJV] "And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all."

Pentecost is a fulfillment of Joel ............[Acts 2:16 KJV] "But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;"

No church was formed at Pentecost. The existing believing remnant church led by Peter was added to........[Acts 2:41 KJV] "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added [unto them] about three thousand souls."

Sorry but you are wrong. The Acts only speak of the churches, not as two separate entities but one church.

why would Paul go to Jerusalem to present His gospel to the church there if they were not at all part of the body of christ as you say!

You cannot point to one verse that shows there was 2 separate churches.

Nor can you prove this little flock concept applies to the original 11 and all their converts!

Peter wen to gentiles and they gave their lives to jesus and as Paul said:

Ephesians 4

King James Version

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4 I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,
2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;
3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

\But you demand there are two churches and two bodies- You have desecrated scripture by listening to implications from silence, not evidence.

 

[amigo de christo]

So in your opinion whose body was Peter part of? And if he was not part of the body, then why did Paul say the body of Christ is built on the Apostles????

Man has complicated what was so simple .
So i have come to make plain that which men have complicated .
Lets keep it real and simple .
THERE BE ONLY ONE BODY and that OF JESUS CHRIST
from which HE is the corner s tone himself .
The Apostels were of HIM , as was paul and ev ery single believer IN HIM .
Real simple . One body , one kingdom , one bride , one wife , one tree
JESUS THE CHRIST and all who believe ON HIM . whet her jew or gentile .
We really should just read the bible for ourselves . One would marvel
at how simple things truly are my friend . ITS MEN and their isms that literally messed it up .

 

[amigo de christo]

Are you sure you are not a Jehovahs witness? you sound so eerily similar to their false teaching.

Have you noticed something yet .
Have you often wondered why some can sound simliar to a jw
or maybe a mormon , or a RCC solider
ITS ALL getting blended as the false unity has come within . All these differing teachings
But the main glue in this meger is the false love , false unity
which hollers doctrines dont really matter , and it has omi tted even the truth itself .
This has gotten worse since even the days i first came to Christ .
And its getting worse faster and faster all the time .
SOON it wont even ma tter what religoin one was , whether muslim , buddists , etc
The mantra will be judge not , we all serving the same GOD
AND the goal will be UNFICATION for world peace , OR for what they THINK will bring upon them peace anyway .
I suggest an all out exodus
from this entire ecumencism and an entrodus nose f irst dive back into the BIBLE RIGHT NOW for all .
Cause satan can say GOD IS LOVE , but boy do he twist things as he brings in a wordly version of love
with an image of god that all tribes of earth will beleive IS GOD and IS LOVE .
GET THEM OUTTA anything ecumenical NOW . remember i did my part , I DID warn
and I NEVER gave out false hope . IT was always THE DIRE NEED TOBELIEVE ON JESUS that i preached .
And made darn sure to make sure folks knew JESUS aint the minstir of any sin either .

 

[Triumph1300]

ITS ALL getting blended as the false unity has come within . All these differing teachings
But the main glue in this meger is the false love , false unity

Yup. Disunity on all fronts.
Clearly the evidence is seen on this public Christian forum.
Good is now evil and evil is good, specially when watching political discussions.

If you don't support the powers in charge you will be labelled a communist, socialist and some more.
There is no decency, no love, and if one disagrees you will be labelled a hater.

And like you, you preach truth, but now you are named a JW ... There's no end to it.
Keep going bro. Don't let up.....

 

[amigo de christo]

Yup. Disunity on all fronts.
Clearly the evidence is seen on this public Christian forum.
Good is now evil and evil is good, specially when watching political discussions.

If you don't support the powers in charge you will be labelled a communist, socialist and some more.
There is no decency, no love, and if one disagrees you will be labelled a hater.

And like you, you preach truth, but now you are named a JW ... There's no end to it.
Keep going bro. Don't let up.....

This is why many have been decieved and continue only to be led into greater and greater deception .
FOR their hope and trust is in men , their kingdom is of this world .
And they will fight tooth and nail to support their men .
The kingdom of the sheep is not earthen
they hope and trust in GOD and in HIS CHRIST , their kingdom is not of this world nor are their hopes In such men .
On this path
we will see the ult imate of it all come to a climatic peak .
Those whose hopes were in this world and in men
WILL pick up arms to d efend their kingdom and will lead to bloodshed against all that did not conform
to their kingdom now .
The sheep will continue to fight by SPIRITUAL weapons , not carnal .
Doing all to contend for the true faith while there still be time to do so .
On this path we have seen even in times past what has come of
this . WHEN religion is tied into govt , The g reat ecumenical is let us be one
and the reconciling is not man to GOD , but man to man .
In time what was offered up as COME and let us all be one
Becomes the crusade phase of, JOIN or die , conform or die .
ALready the ha tred is increasing and the idea that it is a dire necessity to be as one
only increases . But on that path the decieved will meet their end , ON THE DAY OF GOD and of the LAMB .
STICK to only that which the VERY CHRIST DID
and the apostels taught and did . FLEE the pulpits of men gone wrong . Stay cent ered on CHRIST who is above
and who by the Spirit is within his own sheep . THIS is gonna blow up and go v iral soon .

 

[amigo de christo]

Yup. Disunity on all fronts.
Clearly the evidence is seen on this public Christian forum.
Good is now evil and evil is good, specially when watching political discussions.

If you don't support the powers in charge you will be labelled a communist, socialist and some more.
There is no decency, no love, and if one disagrees you will be labelled a hater.

And like you, you preach truth, but now you are named a JW ... There's no end to it.
Keep going bro. Don't let up.....

Notice you wrote and said IF you dont support the powers in charge you will be labeled a communist
a socialists , and dont forget even a terrorist .
Now go to and behold the lovey do churches of this realm .
IF you do not support their love , their kingdom now , you are labled a hater
a bigot , yes ev en a potential terroist .
THIS generation has no idea what it is being led too , and WHO is and has been leading it all along .
THE greatest hour of all out rebellion towards GOD , CHRIST and the saints who did not conform
IS ON THE RISE . And beleiv e me , THEY WILL beleive THIS IS THE WILL OF GOD for peace n safety of this world .
EVEN NOW they see this as OF GOD and HIS WILL . Just wait till the solution that has already
been offered , BECOMES LAW . This people has and have NO IDEA the dragon can indeed
come claoked in wool and leads this people to unify as one into TOTAL all out rebellion
against THE VERY GOD and HIS CHRIST that could have saved them . And against his saints .

 

[Doug]

So in your opinion whose body was Peter part of? And if he was not part of the body, then why did Paul say the body of Christ is built on the Apostles????

Peter was part of the little flock believing remnant of Israel not the body of Christ

[Ephesians 2:19 KJV] "Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;"
[Ephesians 2:20 KJV] "And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner [stone];"..................Paul is saying the body of Christ have been made part of the household of God

[1 Peter 2:5 KJV] "Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ."............Peter is saying the little flock believing remnant of Israel is built a spiritual house

[1 Corinthians 3:10 KJV] "According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon."..............Paul made his foundation and the members of the body of Christ build upon it

[Ephesians 2:21 KJV] "In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:".............The building of Peter and the disciples built upon their foundation and Paul and the building upon his foundation are BUILT TOGETHER into a holy temple and and BUILDED TOGETHER for a habitation of the Spirit............[Ephesians 2:22 KJV] "In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit."