WHAT GOSPEL DID JESUS PREACH?

[Luther7]

Israel has not been cast away and I dont worship Israel
The Israel of God is believing Israel NOT the church

No. The Israel of God according to the Bible is anyone in Christ who is a new "creation":

Galatians 6:15-16:
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything, but a new creation.
16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace and mercy be upon them, and upon the Israel of God.

(The following comments are from AI):

"The Israel of God" (Israel of God):
Jewish Believers:
Many commentators argue this specifically refers to ethnic Jewish believers in Jesus who are not part of the legalistic "Judaizers".

Spiritual Israel:
Others interpret this as a designation for the entire Church, comprising both Jew and Gentile, as the true heirs of the promise.
( End of comments)


While it is possible to interpret " Israel of God" as jews that become Christians, Spiritual Israel in scripture points to Jesus Christ and all who believe on Him.

Because there is no difference between Jew and Gentile. Period.

 

[Doug]

No. The Israel of God according to the Bible is anyone in Christ who is a new "creation":

How could a new creation be the old one of Israel?

 

[Jay Ross]

How could a new creation be the old one of Israel?

Because the Greek word translated as just "new" actually has the meaning of "refreshed" or "refurbished like new."

Wineskins to hold young/recently squeezed grapes will burst wineskins if they are not refurbished/refreshed so that they become usable once again.

God's promise to the nation of Israel is that He will plant them in His fertile soil where they are living scattered throughout the whole earth and that He will teach them on the premise of the stone, untouched by human hands that comes down from heaven, and will then become the highest/largest religion/mountain in all of the earth.

 

[Luther7]

How could a new creation be the old one of Israel?

Galatians 6:15:
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything, but a new creation.

How much clearer does it have to get?
If God is telling us numerous times that He no longer "plays favorites", why do Christian zionists?

 

[rvmb]

Galatians 6:15:
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything, but a new creation.

How much clearer does it have to get?
If God is telling us numerous times that He no longer "plays favorites", why do Christian zionists?

Gal 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
Gal 3:28, There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Col 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
1 Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
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The Gospel that Christ taught that applies to believers today is Gal 1:11-12, 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13

 

[Doug]

Galatians 6:15:
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything, but a new creation.

How much clearer does it have to get?
If God is telling us numerous times that He no longer "plays favorites", why do Christian zionists?

You are saying the Israel of God is a new creation, but there is neither Jew or Greek so how could it be Israel
I think the Israel of God is believing Israel

 

[Luther7]

You are saying the Israel of God is a new creation, but there is neither Jew or Greek so how could it be Israel
I think the Israel of God is believing Israel

It's metaphorical or spiritual language which runs all throughout the Bible. Israel in it's most relevant sense is the people of God, whom Christ rules over:

( This is from Strong's Concordance):
ISRAEL (# 3478)
Hebrew: ישׂראל
Transliteration: yiώrâ'êl
Pronunciation: yis-raw-ale'
Definition: From H8280 and H410; he will rule as God;
{Jisrael} a symbolical name of Jacob; also (typically) of his posterity: - Israel.
KJV Usage: Israel (2,489x), Israelites (16x).
Occurs: 2505
In verses: 2229

" He will rule as God". If this is an accurate rendering, we can certainly understand why "Israel" is so important to God. Not the nation of those who rejected Him. They need to come back to God THROUGH JESUS CHRIST.
Jews are aliens to the God of the Bible because they do not have the Son. And they need to do it like everyone else, BEFORE He comes.

This verse comes from the Septuagint, the oldest translation of the Old Testament:
Osee ( Hosea) 11:1:
Early in the morning were they cast off, the king of Israel has been cast off: for Israel is a child, and I loved him, and out of Egypt have I called his children.

Matthew 2:15 : and was there until the death of Herod, so that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying, “Out of Egypt I called My Son.”

You can't help but to see the relationship of Jesus Christ and His children embodied in the most beautiful word, " Israel". That's what I think of when I see this word.

For the record, Israel 1948 was a political/ militant acquisition, and at first they weren't even going to call it " Israel". These are NOT THE SAME PEOPLE as in the Old Testament.

 

[Doug]

It's metaphorical or spiritual language which runs all throughout the Bible.

There is no indication this is metaphorical. What would prevent someone to say anything they wanted was metaphorical

 

[Luther7]

There is no indication this is metaphorical. What would prevent someone to say anything they wanted was metaphorical

That's the difference between a true believer and someone who does not have "eyes to see".

 

[Ronald Nolette]

""As for Eph. Peter had opened the door for the gentiles to receive the holy spirit, so from that point on, all who accepted Christ received the Spirit the moment of salvation.""
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"""so from that point on"" <<<< started at 1 Tim 1:16 which are the teachings of only Paul >>> Gal 1:11-12.
1 Tim 1:16 ... that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

Jesus preached the gospel of the kingdom until Israel committed the unpardonable sin as shown in Matt. 12. Afterwards Jesus nor the Apostled went preaching any gospel. Jesus was teaching the Apostles to build the church from its foundation up!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I'm sorry I saw your statement: "The gospel of the kingdom is for the jew only" and I felt it in my heart to disagree with scripture.
The good news ( gospel) is the kingdom of heaven, " new Jerusalem" , prepared by Jesus Christ for His people. His people are all who believe in Him, and that will include a remnant of jews as well.

Because it doesn't matter what your bloodline is. We're all one in Christ Jesus. No special plans for any particular group of people, no unfinished future promises.

Matthew 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach and to say, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.”

There are enormous unfulfilled promises God made to Israel which will be fulfilled. Those are for the Millennial kingdom. In eternity, we simply do not have enough to go ont o know much about eternity.

 

[Luther7]

There are enormous unfulfilled promises God made to Israel which will be fulfilled. Those are for the Millennial kingdom. In eternity, we simply do not have enough to go ont o know much about eternity.

The teaching of an earthly literal " millennial kingdom" is what the jewish religion teaches. It's only in recent church history that this heresy went mainstream.

You have to understand to who's benefit are we uplifting and honoring these people. If you only knew what their religion teaches about us. And you don't even want to know what they say about my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

 

[Doug]

The teaching of an earthly literal " millennial kingdom" is what the jewish religion teaches. It's only in recent church history that this heresy went mainstream.

You have to understand to who's benefit are we uplifting and honoring these people. If you only knew what their religion teaches about us. And you don't even want to know what they say about my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

[Revelation 20:6 KJV] "Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.".............The millennial kingdom is in scripture

 

[Luther7]

[Revelation 20:6 KJV] "Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.".............The millennial kingdom is in scripture

Yes it is in scripture but ithe phrase " thousand years" is symbolic or spiritual language which relates to the "completeness" of time. A literal interpretation does not fit in with the rest of what the Bible teaches about the end . We read over and over again that when Jesus Christ comes the second time, it will be judgment day, the last day of this earth.

The " messianic reign" is taught in Judaism. That's where it came from.

 

[Doug]

Yes it is in scripture but ithe phrase " thousand years" is symbolic or spiritual language which relates to the "completeness" of time. A literal interpretation does not fit in with the rest of what the Bible teaches about the end . We read over and over again that when Jesus Christ comes the second time, it will be judgment day, the last day of this earth.

The " messianic reign" is taught in Judaism. That's where it came from.

With all respect you are arbitrarily dismissing scripture by labeling it symbolic/spiritual and not literal. How convenient a way to cast aside unwanted scripture as seen in newer Bible translations as well.

When Jesus says the end he means the end of the 70th week of Daniel/the great tribulation ................[Matthew 10:22 KJV] "And ye shall be hated of all [men] for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved."...............the end of the world is the harvest when the wicked unbelieving Israel is separated from believing Israel; only believing Israel will enter the kingdom.,..............[Matthew 13:41 KJV] "The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;"

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The teaching of an earthly literal " millennial kingdom" is what the jewish religion teaches. It's only in recent church history that this heresy went mainstream.

You have to understand to who's benefit are we uplifting and honoring these people. If you only knew what their religion teaches about us. And you don't even want to know what they say about my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Well it was mainstream in the first 3 centuries. Then amillennialism took over with Augustine. It was recaptured a few centuries after the reformation when the churches straightened out more important doctrines and could find time for eschatology.

But when Jesus returns He will establish the physcial kingdom on earth that god promised.

 

[Luther7]

With all respect you are arbitrarily dismissing scripture by labeling it symbolic/spiritual and not literal. How convenient a way to cast aside unwanted scripture as seen in newer Bible translations as well.

When Jesus says the end he means the end of the 70th week of Daniel/the great tribulation ................[Matthew 10:22 KJV] "And ye shall be hated of all [men] for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved."...............the end of the world is the harvest when the wicked unbelieving Israel is separated from believing Israel; only believing Israel will enter the kingdom., then comes Armageddon..............[Matthew 13:41 KJV] "The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;"

You said: "With all respect you are arbitrarily dismissing scripture by labeling it symbolic/spiritual and not literal...."

Actually the opposite is true. The Bible first and foremost is a spiritual book, a treasure of blessings from God for His people. Understanding the literal aspects from scripture is good, but the spiritual truth is eternal.

And so it is with this literal interpretation of " a thousand years". The promise from God is not to bring a kingdom ( for a particular group of people) on a sin cursed earth, but to usher in a new heavens and earth for all who become saved BEFORE Jesus comes.

You said:
"....the end of the world is the harvest when the wicked unbelieving Israel is separated from believing Israel; only believing Israel will enter the kingdom., then comes Armageddon..........."

I don't read that. When Jesus Christ comes in judgment, it will be all of humanity, for there is no difference with " Israel" ( assuming you mean jews) than anyone else. Why oh why does everyone want to exalt these people?

 

[Doug]

You said: "With all respect you are arbitrarily dismissing scripture by labeling it symbolic/spiritual and not literal...."

What basis do you have in saying the thousand years are symbolic. What is your critera for this determination?

 

[Doug]

Actually the opposite is true. The Bible first and foremost is a spiritual book, a treasure of blessings from God for His people. Understanding the literal aspects from scripture is good, but the spiritual truth is eternal.

The question is how do you know what is literal?
I take it all literally. I can discern what is symbolic/figurative by either being told.........................[Galatians 4:24 KJV] "Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar."
[Romans 5:14 KJV] "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come."........................I can also see by reason.............[John 10:7 KJV] "Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep."......He cant be a door

 

[Doug]

And so it is with this literal interpretation of " a thousand years". The promise from God is not to bring a kingdom ( for a particular group of people) on a sin cursed earth, but to usher in a new heavens and earth for all who become saved BEFORE Jesus comes.

The Bible says the kingdom will be given to Israel................[Daniel 7:18 KJV] "But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever."
[Daniel 7:22 KJV] "Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom."
[Daniel 7:27 KJV] "And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom [is] an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him."
[Exodus 19:5 KJV] "Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth [is] mine:"
[Exodus 19:6 KJV] "And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These [are] the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel."