The promises of God are to believers. So I think Israel refers to BELIEVERS, particularly those believers who are the children of Abraham (and those who may have converted in the past etc etc) Not to a secular nation. Thoughts?
Who is Israel?
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Ronald Nolette
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No Israel are the physical descendnats of Abrham, Isaac and Jacob. Spiritual Israel are those Jews who are believers in Jesus as messiah.
God made numerous promises to the nation of Israel with the words ; "it shall come to pass...". That means they will come to pass for the nation of Israel. God is not an Indian giver.
He also made numerous warnings that they would be punished if they mistreated neighbors, widows etc. As it stands the secular nation is not eligible for the promises of the land. Also, in Revelation it talks about some who claimed they were Jews but were liars. Who would that be, if Jews were only, as you say, 'physical descendnats of Abrham' ?
Jacob's name was changed to Israel. Genesis 32:28. As a person's Hebrew name, Israel means "to wrestle with God" or "one who struggles with God".
But the question should be "what" is Israel, not "who" is Israel.
Israel is the nation in middle east that once was the northern kingdom and the southern kingdom following King Solomon's reign of united Israel.
Israel is not a religion. But a nation.
The messiah, also known as Christ, John 4:25 will be the King of Israel. Mark 15:32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.
The Antichrist will be a Jew, who the Jews will mistakenly think for awhile is their long-awaited King of Israel messiah. The Antichrist will be instead of and against Jesus - the true Christ, who came in the name of the Lord.
But the question should be "what" is Israel, not "who" is Israel.
Israel is the nation in middle east that once was the northern kingdom and the southern kingdom following King Solomon's reign of united Israel.
Israel is not a religion. But a nation.
The messiah, also known as Christ, John 4:25 will be the King of Israel. Mark 15:32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.
The Antichrist will be a Jew, who the Jews will mistakenly think for awhile is their long-awaited King of Israel messiah. The Antichrist will be instead of and against Jesus - the true Christ, who came in the name of the Lord.
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The Nation of Israel rejected the chief corner stone "Jesus Christ", the kingdom has been taken from them and given to the church that's the holy nation
Matthew 21:42-43KJV
42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
Paul made it clear in Romans 11 that there are two Israel's. We best find out who is who - now.
Even my youngest daughter got it right. It's about the bloodwork of Jesus Christ -- not ethnicity or the "irresistible grace" heresy.
Even my youngest daughter got it right. It's about the bloodwork of Jesus Christ -- not ethnicity or the "irresistible grace" heresy.
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Randy Kluth
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I've said it many times. The biblical definition of Israel is the nation as it developed from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. It was the product of 12 tribes eventually forming into a political unit--a nation.
To think there was a mystical parallel "spiritual nation" existing alongside physical Israel is the product of Replacement Theology, or the denial that Israel's promise of national salvation remains in effect. But it cannot be denied that "Israel," as used in the Bible, always referred to the physical nation, including both the obedient and the disobedient. Misinterpreting NT language to the opposite effect doesn't change this at all.
The notion that God can't form a godly nation just because there will always be citizens who choose to be ungodly is not biblical. Yes, God has always had to deal with disobedience in the nation. But throughout the OT period, God pursued correction in His special nation, largely because Israel was to become the model for all future godly nations. My opinion only...
To be fair, when we look to Eternity, there will be a complete separation of unbelievers out of God's People. The nations will not be compromised at all, but will be purely believers. If there is a nation Israel, it will be 100% believers.
But I have no idea whether in Eternity nations will continue to exist as distinct political units. I doubt it, but who knows?
Then who is Revelation talking about when it says some are liars in calling themselves Jews? Also, I think some were able to marry into the nation, immigrate etc. So it is not a physical blood line persay
No. The ONLY Israel or Jews ever that existed were believers I would think. Not all the people in the territory or nation. The promises are ONLY for the saved in returning to the land, brought by God. He is not giving it to any unbelievers. Correct? Now the bible does talk of a nation Israel being invaded etc etc in the end time. Of course that is in prophesy.
No one will be ungodly when all Israel is saved in the end, and God brings them back to the land actually. It is crystal clear He will be their God
Bingo. That is when they inherit the promises. Right now the secular nation is the enemy of God. Terrorists I would have to call them
Yes there will be nations that He rules over.
ALL promises were to believers. If they did not believe, then it was curses. The promises do not extend to unbelieving physical relatives etc. The Israel of the end that gets invaded is in name only. Like the Jews that were not really Jews in that verse in Revelation. They were liars using the name. Yes the promises will come to pass for SAVED Israel (the remnant in the end) Not for unbelieving Israel.
There are two Israels. Only the one that accepts Jesus is the real Israel that will be restored to the land etc in the end. Right now we have 'name only' unbelievers terrorizing neighbors and bring the world to war. This is NOT the Israel God restores. Only the believers that remain alive in the end after most of the Jewish people are killed (as well as any that believed before that time) will be Israel that inherits the promises.
I agree. Although there was prophesied to be an 'Israel' that gets invaded etc in the end times. My issue is that some preachers pretend that the terrorist unbelieving nation that exists there today already was restored to the land by God!
OK, yes, the kingdom of heaven, of God. That is not saying that the believing Israel who are saved in the end will not get what they were always promised
NOT the Israel God restores to that land! The 'Israel' of unbelievers there now is the Israel of prophesy in the last days. The nation that God brings other nations to attack. Don't be fooled by the name. Israel are the children of promise, of Abraham (and converts etc). Not unbelievers. The nation of the end that is secular and anything BUT protected of God is not the Israel God restores. He restores the believers. Period. Full stop. No exceptions. The believing Jews in the end
See above. There is the nation that calls itself Jews but are not believers. The nation God restores to that land is the Jews that believe. No others. No one else has a right to the promises. Certainly not unbelievers using the name today.
As stated, yes, believing Israel.AFTER they ALL believe. Not before.
It is speculated by some scholars that the AC may be a Jew. I don't have a beef with that whether they are right or wrong.
The Jews will become Christians in the middle of the seven years in Revelation 12:10 that precede Jesus's return.
The majority of Jews are presently not Christians.
Also, Israel became a nation again in the land of Israel in 1948, fulfilling the prophecy in Ezekiel 37:19-22 about reuniting the northern kingdom and the southern kingdom back into one nation again.
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Believing Israel is called "The Church" on earth, where there is neither Jew nor Greek
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The Light
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Please post the scripture, chapter and verse, that says that the Antichrist will be a Jew.
After what was it, 4/5 of them were killed first? Also, who says it is in the middle? I would place it at the very end.
Right. Unbelievers, soon to be attacked. Soon to lose most of the population as well before the end
Ha. That is actually at at time when Israel is saved.
Ezekiel 37:23
Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.
The unbelievers there today are totally defiled, and NOT under God. So that CERTAINLY was not 1948.
Yes. I would point out that there are special promises to the children of Abraham who believe as well. Not promises to me and you. Wee have other promises. Like the place He prepared for us, New Jerusalem! Also that we will rule (the whole world) with Him. Not just earthly Jerusalem and etc.
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