Who is Israel?

[Marvelloustime]

what many cannot see
is that Tribulation has been even since the beginning
and its only been increasing . That which is of anti christ , the mystery of inquity
HAS LONG been at work . And now in and at the end hour ITS GROWING MASSIVE
and a huge falling away is growing .
THEY are unifying UNDER A LIE and a liar but this liar , this father of lies
Has convinced them HE IS GOD and HE IS LOVE . that is one wise serpent .
But the sheep do not heed its voice for CHRIST has the sheep .
THEY are unifying more and more under that which is and has been of anti christ
and they think its of GOD and its peace plan is OF GOD . only IT AINT .
HAs anyone even bothered to read this peace ..........THEY LIE to all religoins , THEY LIE and say we all serve the same GOD
making THE VERY WORDS of JESUS and HIS GOSPEL of NO EFFECT . THAT BE ANTI CHRIST
and that be ITS PEACE plan and they be a hollering its gonna usher upon earth world peace n safety .
NOT peace n safety , RATHER SUDDEN DESRUCTION , and they have NO IDEA that is what day they are being LED TOO .
TO THE DAY OF their own destruction .
And just like in the days of ahab , THE PROPHETS ALL prophesy the same lie as one
and have no idea A LYING SPIRIT IS convincing them all to GO UP to the table of peace n unity
and ye shall have the victory , YE shall have peace n saf ety .
WELL it didin work out for ahab and IT WONT FOR THEM EITHER .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

That is the problem my friend . these people acting like at the end many will be sav ed .
NOPE , WHEN JESUS COMETH its too late . THE TIME to preach JESUS to both jews and gentiles is NOW .
a massive falling away is going viral right now and many think its love and the love of God .
An ecumenical harlot has arose and taken the hearts of many captive to a lie .
a lie that more and more of even the false religoins believe is GOD and LOVE as well as much of christendom too .
AND by means of its love IT HAS LED EVEN much of christendom into ALL OUT REBELLION
against THE VERY CHRIST . And these people keep t hinking there is a big love revival coming .
NOPE its the lie and the peak hour of the falling away . some are still being saved even now
BUT MANY are headed deeper and deeper into the lie they think is LOVE and is of GOD and IS his plan
for world peace . ONLY ITS OF ANTI CHRIST .
The question is WHO IS THE ISRAEL OF GOD . cause not all of israel are of THAT ISRAEL .
FAITH IN JESUS is the only entrance into the one true KINGDOM of GOD and HIS ISRAEL have CONFESSED THE NAME OF HIS CHRIST .
But many keep running to the earthen , many keep heeding the earthen and that solution . and that solution
WILL END THEM ALL on the day of THE GREAT GOD and OF HIS CHRIST upon whom their love DENIED .

@amigo de christo

 

[Taken]

Who is Israel?

Gods People.

1 Sam 16:
[15] Now the LORD had told Samuel in his ear a day before Saul came, saying,
[16] To morrow about this time I will send thee a man out of the land of Benjamin, and thou shalt anoint him to be captain over my people Israel, that he may save my people out of the hand of the Philistines: for I have looked upon my people, because their cry is come unto me.

In respect, who are they IN Christ”?
Gods People….
Not Becoming ISRAEL, but rather ADDED To Gods People…
By, Gods Offering…
Through, Of
CHRIST JESUS and His People. People/Sheep/ Converted Believers

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Right, so having some saved people in Israel does not mean God restored or will restore them.

One day in one event 2/3 will be killed. Before that wars and persecutions etc plenty more. Nothing gets better until the remnant accept Jesus in the end.

What is left of it, yes. Belief in Jesus is what makes anyone pure.

There can be no error in knowing that God only will restore a saved Israel in the end. Any claims that He restored them already are premature and false. When He does, they will be holy and He will be their God. ( I might add that they will not be mass murdering their neighbors)

1. But He will because He said so. Not all but the 1/3 that survuve as well as those being saved now.

2. No it is not one day and one event, but the results of the last 3 1/2 years of the 70th week of Daniel aka the great tribulation.

3. Yes only Jesus saves and cleanses

4. I never said He is restoring them now. he is gathering them back to their promised land to judge and purge!

 

[dad]

1. But He will because He said so. Not all but the 1/3 that survuve as well as those being saved now.

Yes of course He will after they get saved. Not in 1948

2. No it is not one day and one event, but the results of the last 3 1/2 years of the 70th week of Daniel aka the great tribulation.

We could look at that. I agree that many will be saved before the very end. Not all Israel though.

3. Yes only Jesus saves and cleanses

4. I never said He is restoring them now. he is gathering them back to their promised land to judge and purge!

Chapter and verse? (about God gathering them from all over)

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Yes of course He will after they get saved. Not in 1948

We could look at that. I agree that many will be saved before the very end. Not all Israel though.

Chapter and verse? (about God gathering them from all over)

1. I have already said that Israel did not get saved in 1948. That is Israel starting to be brought back to their land, to pass under the rod of Gods Judgment.

2. As I have said many times- the all Israel that will be saved are all the surviving remnant of the tribulation period. The 1/3 of Zech. 13. that is gods Word and not an opinion.

3.

• Jeremiah 31:10: "Behold, I will scatter you to the nations, and you shall be sought after as a woman among men, and you shall be sought after as a fugitive woman among men."

Ezekiel 20:33-38

King James Version

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33 As I live, saith the Lord God, surely with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out, will I rule over you:
34 And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out.
35 And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face.
36 Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the Lord God.
37 And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant:
38 And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I am the Lord.

• Ezekiel 34:13: "And I will bring them to their own land and feed them on the mountains of Israel, by the rivers, and in all the inhabited places of the country."

• Jeremiah 30:3: "And I will bring them back to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it."

• Jeremiah 31:10:
  .
  "He who scattered Israel will gather them; he will watch over his flock like a shepherd and will call them home from far-off lands, even from the farthest corners of the earth".
• Isaiah 11:11:
  .
  "In that day the Lord will extend his hand a second time to recover the remnant of his people... He will raise a signal for the nations and will assemble the exiles of Israel; he will gather the scattered of Judah from the four corners of the earth".
• Amos 9:15:
  .
  "I will plant them in their land, and they shall never again be uprooted from the land I have given them,' says the Lord your God".

Right now is the ingathering from the nations to judge and purge israel. do not be confused with the regathering of Ez. 20 with the salvation of the enitre nation that survuves.

 

[dad]

1. I have already said that Israel did not get saved in 1948. That is Israel starting to be brought back to their land, to pass under the rod of Gods Judgment.

So who brings them back? Chapter and verse? When I read of GOD bring back Israel it is only saved Israel.

2. As I have said many times- the all Israel that will be saved are all the surviving remnant of the tribulation period. The 1/3 of Zech. 13. that is gods Word and not an opinion.

OK. I agree. Saved Israel in the end (the remnant)

• Ezekiel 34:13: "And I will bring them to their own land and feed them on the mountains of Israel, by the rivers, and in all the inhabited places of the country."

After they believe

• Jeremiah 30:3: "And I will bring them back to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it."

After they believe

• Jeremiah 31:10:
  .
  "He who scattered Israel will gather them; he will watch over his flock like a shepherd and will call them home from far-off lands, even from the farthest corners of the earth".

After they believe

• Isaiah 11:11:
  .
  "In that day the Lord will extend his hand a second time to recover the remnant of his people... He will raise a signal for the nations and will assemble the exiles of Israel; he will gather the scattered of Judah from the four corners of the earth".

After they are saved

• Amos 9:15:
  .
  "I will plant them in their land, and they shall never again be uprooted from the land I have given them,' says the Lord your God".

After they believe

Right now is the ingathering from the nations to judge and purge israel.

Who is 'gathering' them now? Chapter and verse (before they believe)

do not be confused with the regathering of Ez. 20 with the salvation of the enitre nation that survuves.

The remnant are the entire nation at the time

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Revelation 7:14
And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

If any lurker has any doubt what period this is talking about, verses preceding this pinpoint it for us. It is AFTER the seals and vials! NOT some general tribulation of thousands of years ago!

Again, it doesn't say "THE great tribulation". How are you coming to the conclusion that it's talking about a time period after the seals and vials? Are you somehow not aware that the book of Revelation is not just an account of chronological events that happen in the future (from now)? The book is addressed to seven first century churches in the ancient Roman province of Asia and talks about things going on in those churches in the first century. And it refers to things happening from then until the future second coming of Christ. Revelation is not the futurist book that you imagine it to be and that's why you don't understand it at all.

 

[dad]

Again, it doesn't say "THE great tribulation".

The setting is that time. The end when angels are pouring vials and etc. That was not thousands of years ago, so we know that the great tribulation it mentions is the end time. Also I see no other use of the phrase great tribulation other than in the context of that Great Tribulation

How are you coming to the conclusion that it's talking about a time period after the seals and vials?

Look at the chapter. The first verses are talking about the angels with the vials! Pretty simple.


Revelation 7:1

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1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
Revelation 7:2
And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
Revelation 7:3
Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

Are you somehow not aware that the book of Revelation is not just an account of chronological events that happen in the future (from now)?

Name the last time 4 angels poured out vials of wrath that turned all water to blood, burned all trees and grass etc?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The setting is that time. The end when angels are pouring vials and etc. That was not thousands of years ago, so we know that the great tribulation it mentions is the end time. Also I see no other use of the phrase great tribulation other than in the context of that Great Tribulation

Look at the chapter. The first verses are talking about the angels with the vials! Pretty simple.


Revelation 7:1

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1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
Revelation 7:2
And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
Revelation 7:3
Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

Where does this say anything about the angels with the vials? This refers to four angels. There are seven angels with vials, according to Revelation 16.

If you're going to insist that the book of Revelation is just a book about the future then you will remain completely confused as to what it is about. It is a book about Jesus Christ, His church and the enemies of Jesus Christ and His church since the first coming until His second coming. It's not just a book about the future, as you imagine. It was addressed to seven first century churches in the Roman province of Asia and is partly about them and is also about the church as a whole ever since then.

Name the last time 4 angels poured out vials of wrath that turned all water to blood, burned all trees and grass etc?

If you want to insist on interpreting the whole book literally despite the fact that it was purposely signified (Revelation 1:1) and contains a great deal of symbolism, then that's a poor choice of how to interpret the book.

 

[dad]

Where does this say anything about the angels with the vials? This refers to four angels. There are seven angels with vials, according to Revelation 16.

Right. So one of these angels is about to hurt the earth. That is what the vials do. Are you claiming some extra angel is about to hurt the earth? Obviously this is the end time, and cannot be some general tribulations people faced in history.


Revelation 7:3
Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

The chapter before is about the seals.

Revelation 6:1
And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.


Revelation 6:5
And when he had opened the third seal, --- etc etc Obviously this is the final days and years of man's rule on earth. It is foolish to try and pretend the great tribulation mentioned in chapter seven is anything other than the Great Tribulation!

If you're going to insist that the book of Revelation is just a book about the future then you will remain completely confused as to what it is about.

? It is about the things that are (in John's day) the things that will be hereafter (future) No confusion at all.

It is a book about Jesus Christ, His church and the enemies of Jesus Christ and His church since the first coming until His second coming.

About the revealing of Jesus. Including when He returns to earth. Also scenes in heaven etc.

It's not just a book about the future, as you imagine. It was addressed to seven first century churches in the Roman province of Asia and is partly about them and is also about the church as a whole ever since then.

It was about the things which are and will be hereafter. It has a focus on the very end. The return of Christ, New Jerusalem, the 1000 years, the tribulation, etc

If you want to insist on interpreting the whole book literally despite the fact that it was purposely signified (Revelation 1:1) and contains a great deal of symbolism, then that's a poor choice of how to interpret the book.

? Who said it was all literal? There are also symbols that represent reality. Symbols are as real as reality by the way in Scripture.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

So who brings them back? Chapter and verse? When I read of GOD bring back Israel it is only saved Israel.

Then you have not been reading the verses I have been posting. For they speak of both saved and unsaved being drawn back to their promised land.

After they believe

Yes those two passages point to Israel after the rebels are purged from the land.

Who is 'gathering' them now? Chapter and verse (before they believe)

Isaiah 11:11 is happening. They are being regathered now!

As for who is doing the regathering now? Let me post the verse for about the fourth time:

Ezekiel 20:33-38

King James Version

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33 As I live, saith the Lord God, surely with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out, will I rule over you:
34 And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out.
35 And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face.
36 Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the Lord God.
37 And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant:
38 And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I am the Lord.
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1. though the Roman Empire was used- It was God who scattered Israel from the land in 132-135 AD.

2. As this passage absolutely and unambiguously shows, it is God who is bringing Israel back to their promised land to plead, judge and purge in the future.

 

[dad]

Then you have not been reading the verses I have been posting. For they speak of both saved and unsaved being drawn back to their promised land.

Yes those two passages point to Israel after the rebels are purged from the land.

Isaiah 11:11 is happening. They are being regathered now!

As for who is doing the regathering now? Let me post the verse for about the fourth time:

Ezekiel 20:33-38​

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King James Version​

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33 As I live, saith the Lord God, surely with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out, will I rule over you:
34 And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out.
35 And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face.
36 Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the Lord God.
37 And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant:
38 And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I am the Lord.
Read full chapter

1. though the Roman Empire was used- It was God who scattered Israel from the land in 132-135 AD.

2. As this passage absolutely and unambiguously shows, it is God who is bringing Israel back to their promised land to plead, judge and purge in the future.

Can you point out the verse that says God restores them to the land? I see they are in many lands in verse 35 35 And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Right. So one of these angels is about to hurt the earth. That is what the vials do. Are you claiming some extra angel is about to hurt the earth? Obviously this is the end time, and cannot be some general tribulations people faced in history.


Revelation 7:3
Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

The chapter before is about the seals.

Revelation 6:1
And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.


Revelation 6:5
And when he had opened the third seal, --- etc etc Obviously this is the final days and years of man's rule on earth. It is foolish to try and pretend the great tribulation mentioned in chapter seven is anything other than the Great Tribulation!

No, it's foolish to add the word "the" to the text when it isn't there in the original manuscript and it's foolish to think that a great multitude from all nations will be saved during a short time before Christ returns when both Jesus and Paul indicated that many will fall away from the faith during the time just before Jesus returns. Jesus said "the love of most will grow cold" and Paul said wickedness will not be restrained during that time and Jesus questions whether He would find faith on the earth when He returns (Luke 18:8), so how can that equate to a great multitude that no one can count being saved? Talk about foolish!

About the revealing of Jesus. Including when He returns to earth. Also scenes in heaven etc.

It was about the things which are and will be hereafter. It has a focus on the very end. The return of Christ, New Jerusalem, the 1000 years, the tribulation, etc

? Who said it was all literal? There are also symbols that represent reality. Symbols are as real as reality by the way in Scripture.

No one said that the symbols don't symbolize reality. Good grief. However, the symbols do not have to resemble what they symbolize in reality. For example, what the beast with seven heads and ten horns symbolizes in reality does not actually resemble a beast with seven heads and ten horns. You take some symbolic text in Revelation literally and that's why you don't understand hardly any of it.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Can you point out the verse that says God restores them to the land? I see they are in many lands in verse 35 35 And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face.

I have already posted those verses several times. This shall be the last time.

Jer. 30:3
Jer. 32:37
Amos 9:14
Isaiah 11:11-12
Deuteronomy 30:5
Ezekiel 37:21-25
Isaiah 60:18-21
Ezekiel 28:25-26
Ezekiel 34:11-12
Ezekiel 36:24-26
Ezekiel 39:28
Amos 9:14-15
Micah 4:6-7
Zephaniah 3:19-20

There's more, but this should be more than enough

 

[marks]

signified

You may benefit from a word study on this one, it does not mean "convert to symbols", or to make something obscure. It means more to make it known.

Much love!

 

[Trekson]

The promises of God are to believers. So I think Israel refers to BELIEVERS, particularly those believers who are the children of Abraham (and those who may have converted in the past etc etc) Not to a secular nation. Thoughts?

There will come a time when the ethnic nation of Israel will "all" become born again believers in Christ. The 1/3 of Zech. 13:8-9 because of Zech. 12:10 and the 144,000. Judaism will fade away, Israel won't.

 

[dad]

No, it's foolish to add the word "the" to the text when it isn't there in the original manuscript and it's foolish to think that a great multitude from all nations will be saved during a short time before Christ returns when both Jesus and Paul indicated that many will fall away from the faith during the time just before Jesus returns.

It says they came of of great tribulation and the context of the chapter is the Tribulation time. Connect the dots.

Jesus said "the love of most will grow cold" and Paul said wickedness will not be restrained during that time and Jesus questions whether He would find faith on the earth when He returns (Luke 18:8), so how can that equate to a great multitude that no one can count being saved? Talk about foolish!

The world grows cold. The believers shine more and more to that perfect day! By the time Jesus returns, I assume most believers may have been killed. But the answer is still YES! We know the remnant will come to faith! The context seems to be in the world. If some believers flee into the wilderness and are protected, how would He not find faith? The great multitude does not all have to be alive on earth do they?

No one said that the symbols don't symbolize reality. Good grief. However, the symbols do not have to resemble what they symbolize in reality. For example, what the beast with seven heads and ten horns symbolizes in reality does not actually resemble a beast with seven heads and ten horns. You take some symbolic text in Revelation literally and that's why you don't understand hardly any of it.

? To me the final king and his government are aptly pictured as a beast and horns.

 

[dad]

I have already posted those verses several times. This shall be the last time.

Jer. 30:3

Jeremiah 30:7
Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble, but he shall be saved out of it.

I think most of us know what time this is referring to. NOT 1948!

Jer. 32:37

Looks like it is talking about beings restored after the captivity. Not the end time



etc etc etc Your spam list is exposed, so if you actually have any verse in the rest of the list that says God restores unbelievers, post it!

 

[dad]

There will come a time when the ethnic nation of Israel will "all" become born again believers in Christ. The 1/3 of Zech. 13:8-9 because of Zech. 12:10 and the 144,000. Judaism will fade away, Israel won't.

I agree for the most part. That word 'Judaism' I am not so sure about though. ( some take it to mean the ten commandments etc)