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Triumph1300

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Why are you not patriotic? Why don't you want to put America First? Why don't you want our country to do better? Don't you see anything in our country that Trump campaigned on that can be better?
A better suggestion would be to follow the Sermon on the Mount given by Jesus Christ.
THAT would give you a better country.
Follow Jesus's instructions and not some perverted liar.
 

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Why are you not patriotic?
You've confused ideological fixation with patriotism.

To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else.

President Theodore Roosevelt

Why don't you want to put America First?
I want America best. "American First" has an interesting history...

The “America First” Committee and the GERMAN AMERICAN BUND

Prior to the outbreak of World War II, the America First Committee (AFC) was the name of the isolationist, anti-Semitic national organization demanding that the United States stay out of the war and appease Adolf Hitler.

Are we better off having secure borders?
Prior to the 20th century, we had mostly open borders. Were we worse off then?
Are we better off controlling who immigrates to our country?
Do you think President Obama's policy of targeting dangerous criminals attempting to enter and stay here to be a better policy than grabbing peaceful illegals first?
Are we better off eliminating waste, fraud and abuse? aka DOGE.
Show us how much money DOGE saved us? Show us how many people were caught in fraud by DOGE? Hint: nothing.

And you should probably know that the Monroe Doctrine was against European powers taking over states in the Western Hemisphere. It's not what you assumed.
Are we better off if fentanyl was wiped from our streets?
Let's see how well Trump is doing on that...
For the first time in more than a year, street drug deaths appear to be rising across the U.S. according to a new report from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
The latest available data, compiled in January of this year, shows fatal overdoses over the previous 12-month period increased by roughly 1,400 deaths.
Are we better off with crime in DC lower than 130 years?
Let's see what the trend has been...
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Surprise.
Are we better off with international crime gangs not operating in America?
You're claiming that they aren't? Seriously?
Are we better off with an Iran who does not seek "Death to America" via military capacity to attack us and our national interests in the region?
We were. But then Trump abrogated our agreement with Iran and allowed them to again reject inspections to assure compliance. Now, he's fighting a war to get what he had before he broke the agreement.
Are we better off addressing the 1500% rise is autism over the last number of decades?
Yes. Prior to that, autism generally went undiagnosed. Now, neurodivergent people are being helped to adjust.

Are we better off having good paying manufacturing jobs return to the States via tariffs?
Unfortunately, tariffs caused a significant loss of jobs...

US job openings fall to 6.5 million, fewest since 2020, as labor market remains sluggish​


Are we better off recognizing the biological science of there being 2 genders and men not competing in women's sports?
I don't remember being inconvenienced by a man competing with women. Have you? Well, actually, Donald Trump would be such a case. Trump seems to be a lot better competing against women than men. He's never actually beaten a man in an election.

With a suicidal birth rate, are we better off where every pregnancy is cherished rather than aborted for convenience sake?
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It's a valid concern. It's expensive to raise kids today. My children are having fewer children, because it's harder for them to save enough to assure their educations. The only reason the U.S. isn't going into the demographic disaster now affecting Russia, China, and other nations is immigration. But Trump says he's going to stop that, too.

Just as he "fixed" the job problem. God help us all.
 

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A better suggestion would be to follow the Sermon on the Mount given by Jesus Christ.
THAT would give you a better country.
Follow Jesus's instructions and not some perverted liar.
If Jesus returned today, many of those who claim to follow Him would be in the mob that would again crucify Him.
 

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You got it wrong. Other groups assimilated and were culturally and religiously Christian.
Most of the know-nothings at the time denied that the Irish were Christians. But the Hispanics who make up most immigrants are generally of the same faith as the Irish mostly are.
Hispanics carry non-American flags.
So do the Irish.

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Islamists seek to overthrow the Constitution with Sharia Law.
That's a common misconception. It's like ultraorthodox Jews, who agree to abide by religous courts. It's not for criminal cases. And perfectly legal as Americans are free to enter into legal contracts. The Constitution forbids establishment of religion, but it also permits free exercise of religion.

Allowing them to enter is not maintaining our society but undermining it.
One of my assistant coaches was a devout Muslim. He had no problem with others living their lives as they would. He just wanted himself and his family free to live theirs. We can't defeat religious extremists by becoming religious extremists.
 

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You've confused ideological fixation with patriotism.
No, not at all. This is why you refuse to answer these simple yes or no questions about America being better off.

As a Patriot, I am not ideologically driven and neither is Trump. One example is he saw the the long lines from the Demonrat position to not fund TSA. So, he thought outside the box in temporarily using the fully funded until 2029 ICE department to assist.

The patriotic question is akin to the others I asked; are we better off having enough paid agents checking security at airports to keep lines to a minimum?

You are making the patriotic question a ideological fixation and TDS
 

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You're drawing a false moral equivalence.
You're just upset that there is an equivalence. The Irish were attacked by bigots who argued that they were not Christians, and wanted to make the Pope rule America. Bigots never change.

As Ronald Reagan said, these people don't want to overturn the American way, they believe in it, and want to take part in it.
If you claim to believe in democracy and the American way, why won't you support them?
 

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No, not at all. This is why you refuse to answer these simple yes or no questions about America being better off.
You got answers. You just didn't get the answers you were hoping for. If you want to play "are you still beating your wife?" fine. But don't expect people to respect it.

As a Patriot, I am not ideologically driven and neither is Trump.
Trump's only ideology is "what's in it for me?" No one has ever trusted him, who didn't live to regret it.

One example is he saw the the long lines from the Demonrat position to not fund TSA.
They offered seven bills to emergency fund the TSA. Each time the republicans refused to do it.
President Donald Trump reportedly killed a TSA funding proposal privately pushed Sunday by Senate Majority Leader John Thune, one that would have ended the 37-day shutdown and had support from Senate Republicans and Democrats alike.

The plan would fund Department of Homeland Security (DHS) operations but defer funding for Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), the focal point of the standoff.

Trump is holding travelers hostage to get the voter suppression bill he hopes will save him in the mid-term elections. If you claim to be a patriot, call your congressman and tell him to stop playing games with the safety of travelers.
 

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A better suggestion would be to follow the Sermon on the Mount given by Jesus Christ.
THAT would give you a better country.
Follow Jesus's instructions and not some perverted liar.
it has been said and it has been told
that humanity gonna do as humanity gonna do
And wolves in wool be of this world .
There is always a way that seems so right unto a man
and yet the end of it is but DEATH .
And a major lie , BUT NOT THE ONLY LIE , is the idea which merges the earthen with the heavenly .
OH its a lie . And the end of it will be death twice told .
We should never have put our hopes into men of this w orld .
And we should have tested even all who led any church and done so continaully
and against BIBLICAL doctrine . For even a little error , just a wee bit of leaven
IS GONNA go viral and le aven up and lead only i nto more error , IF NOT corrected quickly .
 

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You're just upset that there is an equivalence. The Irish were attacked by bigots who argued that they were not Christians, and wanted to make the Pope rule America. Bigots never change.

As Ronald Reagan said, these people don't want to overturn the American way, they believe in it, and want to take part in it.
If you claim to believe in democracy and the American way, why won't you support them?
Allow me to explain why it is that i take no part or lott in the american way or ANY OTHER WAY whether left or right .
FOR there is A WAY that seemth so right to both these sides and yet the end of it be but death .
HERE is the WAY i choose to partake of and THE ONLY WAY i choose to partake of
HIS NAME IS JESUS THE CHRIST , HE IS THE WAY and ONLY way TO THE FATHER . HE IS THE TRUTH and THE LIFE .
And no matter how much the ecumenical we are one interfaith interrelgiious dialgoers
say THAT ALL RELIGIONS are coming to GOD in different ways and they worship THE VERY SAME GOD
the true christains do . DONT EXPECT ME TO BUY THAT ANTI CHRIST LIE .
JESUS DIDNT COME to merge all relgions as one FOR WORLD PEACE and do so THROUGH A LIE that DENIES HIM .
But i sure do know of another one
WHO DOES LIE and WHO COMETH IN BY PEACE and sure do destroy many . ANTI CHRIST .
SO my advice to all is FLEE ANYTHING that talks of the MONOTHEISTIC faiths
FLEE anything pointing to any abraham peace accords
FLEE both the liberal left and conservative right .
FLEE the media of both sides .
AND RUN TOO and TRUST ONLY IN JESUS THE CHRIST and get n those bibles to learn for yourselves .
 

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You're drawing a false moral equivalence. Yes, there is St. Patrick Day parades but the Irish in America don't seek to have the States become part of Ireland. I think you know this.

Do you support Democracy and the American way?
I heed only the laws of such that in no way contradict GOD .
but as far as hoping and trusting in any of them . I SURELY DO NOT .
You do realize its just as easy , if not easier to decieve a nation and or country and world
THROUGH democracy as it ever is through any other form of govt , whether communism , socialsim or any other ism .
You see the problem
with any of these concepts , IS MAN . his heart is not lily white taken . The heart of man IS EVIL
from its youth and up . And we darn sure have us as many decievers in these democratic nations
as we do any other nation . IN fact me thinks we got the worst possible kind of decieves IN the western nations .
AND WHY do i say that . CAUSE they USE THE NAME OF GOD AND OF CHRIST to do their evil and to decieve this people .
In the eyes of the LORD that is worse than being ice cold and decieving . USING HIS NAME
to DECIEVE . ME oh my how i shudder in upmost terror for them all .
OH its gonna be bad for those false religoins ,
BUT man o man worse for they who USED THE NAME OF JESUS to promote A CHRIST DENYIN G LIE .
May i suggest we abandon all hope in men
and do us a fast return to the bible an learn of that GOD , HIS CHRIST and TRUST IN HIM .
 
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No. I’m upset with your basic dishonesty.
I think at this point, I'll give you some time to calm down and get your temper under control.
"Anger is a weapon only in the hands of your opponent."

Give it some thought. You'd be much more effective in presenting your ideas.
 
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JESUS DIDNT COME to merge all relgions
Jesus essentially made religion as a body of legalisms, irrelevant.

He said that where you spend your eternity will depend on how you treated the unfortunate.
He said that the two important laws are to love your God with all your heart and mind and to love your neighbor as yourself.

As He said in Matthew 25, some of the saved won't even understand why they were saved. Every Christian would know, but not everyone who will be saved. God saves as He will.
 

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Jesus essentially made religion as a body of legalisms, irrelevant.

He said that where you spend your eternity will depend on how you treated the unfortunate.
He said that the two important laws are to love your God with all your heart and mind and to love your neighbor as yourself.

As He said in Matthew 25, some of the saved won't even understand why they were saved. Every Christian would know, but not everyone who will be saved. God saves as He will.
God has already determined exactly HOW to save .
And its about high time the churches fled the lies of the ecumenical harlot
and actually start preaching HOW to be saved .
TIME for an all out return to pointing any that has breath TO JESUS THE CHRIST with the dire reminder
of ITS ABSOLUTELY necessary to BELEIVE ON HIM to be saved . That is the number one .
The number two is
JESUS aint the minstir of any sin . So he wont be holding hundred dollar bills and or rainbows
and or preaching UNBELIEF . HE does not DENY HIMSELF nor is he the minstir of any sin .
SO for those who ALREADY do profess to BELEIVE ON HIM
make sure its JESUS and not some other jesus . cause another jesus , YEAH it wont be saving squat .
Now i sure hope that encouraged you . Regulators for the true faith , MOUNT UP . POINT ONLY TO CHRIST
and all , ALL , AS IN ALL things HE taught .
For no man can claim to LOVE GOD and yet Turn around and DENY JESUS IS THE CHRIST .
FOr had they LOVED GOD they had LOVED CHRIST JESUS .
HAD they beleived MOSES they had BELEIVED JESUS for moses wrote of him .
THE TORAH , the law and the prophets POINT to JESUS THE CHRIST . Now line the walls
cause the mother of all harlots has infiltrated much of christendom with her false love and unity message
and is only merging them all as ONE MIND and ONE Heart to a lie.
 
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Jesus essentially made religion as a body of legalisms, irrelevant.

He said that where you spend your eternity will depend on how you treated the unfortunate.
He said that the two important laws are to love your God with all your heart and mind and to love your neighbor as yourself.

As He said in Matthew 25, some of the saved won't even understand why they were saved. Every Christian would know, but not everyone who will be saved. God saves as He will.
the very man , wrangler , die hard t rump support , BELIEVETH in part JUST LIKE YOU DO .
I TRIED TO WARN US ALL , BOTH SIDES are buying into the LIE .
THEY WILL MERGE under a coming savoir and savoirs they bleieve will lead this world into peace n safety .
But the devil , his anti christ and his harlot , THEY CANNOT SAVE ANY . its all a delusion and a strong one
TO SIMPLY MERGE THE RELIGOINS and world as one . YEAH , we BEEN DUPED BIG TIME .
and many seem to love a lie . real bad sign for them .
For those who make and love a lie , LOF . lake of fire . not a good end at all .
 
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No, it wouldn't since America is not a theocracy and not an answer to my questions.
Oh, I see.
The Sermon on the Mount was only preached for "none-Americans."

Americans can just rip it out of their bibles, does not apply to Trump supporters.
Got it.
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A recent Financial Times report from south Texas laid it out with brutal clarity: Trump's immigration crackdowns and ICE raids have been disrupting construction projects, delaying housing builds, hitting real-estate transactions, and creating ripple effects through agriculture and hospitality as workers disappear, stay home, or are caught up in enforcement sweeps.
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Have a nice day as the American economy is going down the sewer into Trump's septic tank.
 
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the very man , wrangler , die hard t rump support , BELIEVETH in part JUST LIKE YOU DO .
I TRIED TO WARN US ALL , BOTH SIDES are buying into the LIE .
THEY WILL MERGE under a coming savoir and savoirs they bleieve will lead this world into peace n safety .
But the devil , his anti christ and his harlot , THEY CANNOT SAVE ANY . its all a delusion and a strong one
TO SIMPLY MERGE THE RELIGOINS and world as one . YEAH , we BEEN DUPED BIG TIME .
and many seem to love a lie . real bad sign for them .
For those who make and love a lie , LOF . lake of fire . not a good end at all .
You're trying to put too many rules out for His people. It's not that complex.
Matthew 22:34And when the Pharisees heard that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, they themselves gathered together. 35One of them, an expert in the law, tested Him with a question: 36“Teacher, which commandment is the greatest in the Law?”

37Jesus declared, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”


So simple, and yet so hard to follow. You have to understand something important. The Pharisees sincerely believed that they were justified, they and their kind alone. They weren't bad people, most of them. They were just completely overwhelmed in trying to follow the law. So Jesus told them how simple the law is. Many of them were just not able to accept it.
 
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