THE FAKE KJV ONLY ARGUMENT

[marks]

I've already explained this. Read my posts on how this IDOL kept me from Christ.

It's not keeping me from Christ, so get over it. It wasn't the translation, it was the people. I can see the difference.

Much love!

 

[Davy]

I get the feeling that you are not well studied on Textual Criticism. Not one quote would confirm your assertions on the KJV.

The fact of the matter is you should not be reading TRANSLATIONS or VERSIONS. All of us should be studying from the NT manuscripts, and those that are closest to the Originals and their copies. It is sheer laziness to not teach Greek and Hebrew because most students don't want to do that. They are lazy and the reason they study the Versions and Translations, is because they are not serious bible students.

So ONLY serious Bible students claim we should use the 'Critical Text' presented by Textual Criticism? Right, pull my other leg and it plays Moon River.

 

[Wrangler]

It's not keeping me from Christ, so get over it. It wasn't the translation, it was the people. I can see the difference.

Much love!

Such is the way of all IDOLATRY, isn't it? It's not the manmade object, it's people turning it into an IDOL.

I don't prefer the MSG but if other's use it to block my desire to get to know God by reading his word, then that becomes a problem, don't you think?

 

[doctrox]

All translations are changing the word in one way or another. You would have to learn Hebrew if you wanted to read the original version of the OT or learn Greek to read the original version of the NT.

God could not care less about any translations per se. The Holy Bible itself chronicles for us several translations (scrolls tossed into the fire, etc.). It’s not about any translation, it’s about whether or not you believe that God has kept his promise to preserve his inspired words for ever.

Claiming a translation to be Satanic is false claim in my opinion

We hear much talk these days about "older" and "more authoritative" manuscripts, but we aren't hearing much about the origin of these manuscripts. It is a well established fact that there are only two lines of Bibles: one coming from Antioch, Syria (known as the Syrian or Byzantine type text), and one coming from Alexandria, Egypt (known as the Egyptian or Hesycnian type text). The Syrian text from Antioch is the Majority text (representing over 99% of all known manuscripts) from which our King James 1611 comes, and the Egyptian text is the minority text (representing less than 1% of all known manuscripts) from which the new perversions come. (Never mind Rome and her Western text, for she got her manuscripts from Alexandria.)

The manuscripts from Antioch were mostly copied by Bible-believing Christians for the purpose of winning souls and spreading the word of God. The manuscripts from Alexandria were produced by infidels such as Origen Adamantius and Clement of Alexandria. These manuscripts are corrupted with Greek philosophy (Col. 2:8), and allegorical foolishness (not believing God's word literally). The strange thing is that most Christians aren't paying any attention to what God's word says about these two places! Notice, in the Word of God, how the Holy Spirit casts Egypt and Alexandria in a NEGATIVE light, while his comments on Antioch tend to be very positive.

So we've always had two lines of bibles: Antioch (God's) and Alexandria (Satan's). The spiritual dynamics of using either are the same. Every action runs to some purpose. If that purpose is not for the building of God's kingdom, then it is for the building of a rival kingdom. There is no neutrality.

My preference is the KJV but don't mind using say the NASB to help clear up the understanding of a word.

Rather, I "don't mind using say the HS to help clear up the understanding of a word." Give diligence to make your calling and election sure (2 Peter 1).

Because the Lord does not change, we cannot change a translation from archaic language forms. Wow!

... a non sequitur evincing ignorance of the meaning of "translation" (and "archaic"!).

 

[Justified]

I am KJVO...

1. King James Version
2. Strong's Exhaustive Concordance

But... What kind of company am I in these days?

That’s unfortunate. KJVOism is among the most irrational positions in all Christianity, going far beyond what the translators themselves thought about the KJV.

 

[Justified]

Based on your use and understanding of multiple Bibles who do they teach :-
-- Is the Apostle to believers today
-- Who are believers today
-- What is the Gospel that teaches how they are eternally saved
-- What are the performance requirements

I don’t understand what you’re asking; it’s grammatically awkward.

 

[rockytopva]

That’s unfortunate. KJVOism is among the most irrational positions in all Christianity, going far beyond what the translators themselves thought about the KJV.

I was Baptized in three churches as a teenager...

1. GARBC Registered Baptist
2. Freewill Baptist
3. Pentecostal Holiness

All "dunked" in baptistries or rivers. I have no regrets of having been baptized three times or any desires for being baptized a fourth time. I would consider all three "Fundamentalist" (anyone remember that term?). There are no Freewill Baptist or Pentecostal Holiness universities nearby. Most of the pastors I know have gotten their degrees from Liberty University and are what I would consider Jonathan Falwell or Charles Stanley (who started out Pentecostal Holiness) types.

To get the Holy Spirit I would recommend dwelling in the following environment...

1. Worship - A place of good worship. I like the old camp meeting piano
2. Word - A time in which a speaker speaks from the Word of God. I like the King James Version

Here lately the options are more like...

1. Worship - A time of contemporary worship
2. Word - Where is that guy coming from? What is he trying to say?

It is nice when the fruit of that sanctification results in Christian ladies and gentlemen. With so many sermons these days I have made it a rule...

1. If I like the sermon - Thank the minister
2. If I don't like the sermon - Don't say anything at all

I have wondered about the need of spiritual wisdom from God in these matters. As far as KJVO I am not rude to others for not speaking out of my preferred version. Even so... How many KJVO folk are out there these days?

 

[rockytopva]

KJVO - Not only would it be rude of me calling people out bad for not going along with my version of choice. But it is also a rule here. We are not allowed to call out professed Christians as evil, satanic, non-Christian for not going along with our rigid point of view.

 

[rvmb]

I don’t understand what you’re asking; it’s grammatically awkward.

Based on the Bible/s you read :-
Who is the Apostle to believers today ?
Which verses teach who the believers are today that are taught by that Apostle ?
Which verses teach the SAVING Gospel for today ?
What are the 'enter eternal life' performance requirements for believers today ?
Hopefully the above is less grammatically awkward for you than the below
Based on your use and understanding of multiple Bibles who do they teach :-
-- Is the Apostle to believers today
-- Who are believers today
-- What is the Gospel that teaches how they are eternally saved
-- What are the performance requirements

 

[rvmb]

God could not care less about any translations per se. The Holy Bible itself chronicles for us several translations (scrolls tossed into the fire, etc.). It’s not about any translation, it’s about whether or not you believe that God has kept his promise to preserve his inspired words for ever.


We hear much talk these days about "older" and "more authoritative" manuscripts, but we aren't hearing much about the origin of these manuscripts. It is a well established fact that there are only two lines of Bibles: one coming from Antioch, Syria (known as the Syrian or Byzantine type text), and one coming from Alexandria, Egypt (known as the Egyptian or Hesycnian type text). The Syrian text from Antioch is the Majority text (representing over 99% of all known manuscripts) from which our King James 1611 comes, and the Egyptian text is the minority text (representing less than 1% of all known manuscripts) from which the new perversions come. (Never mind Rome and her Western text, for she got her manuscripts from Alexandria.)

The manuscripts from Antioch were mostly copied by Bible-believing Christians for the purpose of winning souls and spreading the word of God. The manuscripts from Alexandria were produced by infidels such as Origen Adamantius and Clement of Alexandria. These manuscripts are corrupted with Greek philosophy (Col. 2:8), and allegorical foolishness (not believing God's word literally). The strange thing is that most Christians aren't paying any attention to what God's word says about these two places! Notice, in the Word of God, how the Holy Spirit casts Egypt and Alexandria in a NEGATIVE light, while his comments on Antioch tend to be very positive.

So we've always had two lines of bibles: Antioch (God's) and Alexandria (Satan's). The spiritual dynamics of using either are the same. Every action runs to some purpose. If that purpose is not for the building of God's kingdom, then it is for the building of a rival kingdom. There is no neutrality.


Rather, I "don't mind using say the HS to help clear up the understanding of a word." Give diligence to make your calling and election sure (2 Peter 1).


... a non sequitur evincing ignorance of the meaning of "translation" (and "archaic"!).

>>>>"don't mind using say the HS to help clear up the understanding of a word."
List an example of how the HS has helped you like that before.

 

[MonoBiblical]

@doctrox Interesting sig!

 

[Justified]

I was Baptized in three churches as a teenager...

1. GARBC Registered Baptist
2. Freewill Baptist
3. Pentecostal Holiness

All "dunked" in baptistries or rivers. I have no regrets of having been baptized three times or any desires for being baptized a fourth time. I would consider all three "Fundamentalist" (anyone remember that term?). There are no Freewill Baptist or Pentecostal Holiness universities nearby. Most of the pastors I know have gotten their degrees from Liberty University and are what I would consider Jonathan Falwell or Charles Stanley (who started out Pentecostal Holiness) types.

To get the Holy Spirit I would recommend dwelling in the following environment...

1. Worship - A place of good worship. I like the old camp meeting piano
2. Word - A time in which a speaker speaks from the Word of God. I like the King James Version

Here lately the options are more like...

1. Worship - A time of contemporary worship
2. Word - Where is that guy coming from? What is he trying to say?

It is nice when the fruit of that sanctification results in Christian ladies and gentlemen. With so many sermons these days I have made it a rule...

1. If I like the sermon - Thank the minister
2. If I don't like the sermon - Don't say anything at all

I have wondered about the need of spiritual wisdom from God in these matters.

I’m not sure what this has to do with what I posted.

As far as KJVO I am not rude to others for not speaking out of my preferred version. Even so...

KJVO is far more than merely being about a “preferred version;” it is about it being the only legitimate version. I have no issue with those who prefer the KJV, but KJVOism is unbiblical and a tool of Satan to needlessly divide the church, hence its irrationality.

 

[MonoBiblical]

I’m not sure what this has to do with what I posted.


KJVO is far more than merely being about a “preferred version;” it is about it being the only legitimate version. I have no issue with those who prefer the KJV, but KJVOism is unbiblical and a tool of Satan to needlessly divide the church, hence its irrationality.

Avoiding false friends, limited syntax, is the only way to make it sound perfect. I like it because it is very useful compared to other concorded translations.

 

[Justified]

Based on the Bible/s you read :-
Who is the Apostle to believers today ?

What Apostle? I don’t understand what you’re asking.

Which verses teach who the believers are today that are taught by that Apostle ?

I don’t understand your question.

Which verses teach the SAVING Gospel for today ?

The same verses as the KJV that “teach the SAVING gospel for today.” Why would they be any different?

What are the 'enter eternal life' performance requirements for believers today ?

What do you mean by “performance requirements”?

 

[rvmb]

What Apostle? I don’t understand what you’re asking.


I don’t understand your question.


The same verses as the KJV that “teach the SAVING gospel for today.” Why would they be any different?


What do you mean by “performance requirements”?

List the verses that you rely on that teaches you are saved
This'll be good

 

[Davy]

I have no issue with those who prefer the KJV, but KJVOism is unbiblical and a tool of Satan to needlessly divide the church, hence its irrationality.

That's a new one, from the devil. That is saying that if the believer DOES NOT also refer to the MODERN Bible translations done by the school of Textual Criticism, but trusting the KJV instead, is following Satan. NOPE, it's the OTHER WAY AROUND. You got it backwards.


Those who reject referring back to the TRADITIONAL GREEK TEXT, (which earlier Bible translations used prior to the MODERN versions past the 1800s), are the ones following Satan and his children. The Codex Vaticanus, Codex Sinaiticus, considered as Alexandrian Greek texts, have NOT BEEN PROVEN to be the oldest and best. That is a myth that Wescott and Hort simply made up.

 

[Justified]

List the verses that you rely on that teaches you are saved
This'll be good

No, you list them. You're the one making the implicit argument in your question--"Which verses teach the SAVING Gospel for today ?".

 

[amigo de christo]

That's a new one, from the devil. That is saying that if the believer DOES NOT also refer to the MODERN Bible translations done by the school of Textual Criticism, but trusting the KJV instead, is following Satan. NOPE, it's the OTHER WAY AROUND. You got it backwards.


Those who reject referring back to the TRADITIONAL GREEK TEXT, (which earlier Bible translations used prior to the MODERN versions past the 1800s), are the ones following Satan and his children. The Codex Vaticanus, Codex Sinaiticus, considered as Alexandrian Greek texts, have NOT BEEN PROVEN to be the oldest and best. That is a myth that Wescott and Hort simply made up.

What i say to one i say to all . Wescott and Hort served the dark one . And that is a FACT . Heed not a word one
outta such mens mouths ever once .

 

[Justified]

That's a new one, from the devil. That is saying that if the believer DOES NOT also refer to the MODERN Bible translations done by the school of Textual Criticism, but trusting the KJV instead, is following Satan. NOPE, it's the OTHER WAY AROUND. You got it backwards.

No, it is nothing like that at all. Your reasoning here is not good.

Once again, this has nothing to do with those who prefer to use the KJV, but with KJVOism, which is based on very poor reasoning and needlessly divides the body of Christ. It is idolatry of the KJV and, therefore, can only be of Satan.

Those who reject referring back to the TRADITIONAL GREEK TEXT, (which earlier Bible translations used prior to the MODERN versions past the 1800s), are the ones following Satan and his children. The Codex Vaticanus, Codex Sinaiticus, considered as Alexandrian Greek texts, have NOT BEEN PROVEN to be the oldest and best. That is a myth that Wescott and Hort simply made up.

In your (unsupported) opinion.

 

[rockytopva]

I went to Maundy Thursday services yesterday at a place in Rural Retreat Virginia. I have followed them on Facebook but have never been. It was a nice service...

1. Worship - Hymnal and camp meeting piano
2. Word - King James Version

There were prayer requests and the whole congregation went to the front for prayer. They also had communion at the end of service. No regrets on going. In talking over with the pastor they had lost their church over the falling out with the UMC and was trying to build new. I can't say people are not saved for not going along with this type service. But what I do know is it is getting rarer and rarer these days. I do enjoy the experience when I can get it.

And on thinking over the thread I was convinced we cannot judge people out of the version of the Bible they read.