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I'm pointing out that before the flood the Persian gulf existed, and so did the Mediterranean for that matter. The Bible refers to it as the western border or the great sea.
Hmmm, not so fast. When I read the Lewis account of his expedition, a study note explained the direction of the river has changed since Lewis’ account. It doesn’t mean his account is wrong. How much more so the Bible?

I’m sure you know that Moses wrote the 1st 5 books, including Genesis. Moses was well after the time of Noah. He wrote what was revealed to him in the context of what he knew and saw. There are many examples of this sort of synthesis in Scripture. I do find it revealing that you are attempting to use the authority of the Bible to show the Bible is in error. Good luck with that. I urge you to continue.
 
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The lie is in your extremism and judgementalism. It is plain that you have very little intellect to bring to bear...all you have are repetitive slogans that are fully out of context. Like chicken little with his "the sky is falling" panic. That's what you have....panic. And that panic is induced by your own lack of faith and your own dire need to surrender your life to Christ...for real. You need to simply be pushing the dire need you are ignoring back onto yourself. You need to stop the cardboard and shallow sloganeering and actually turn your life over to God. Then you will stop panicking and judging and being silly. Then, you will be able to have a cohesive conversation and develop actual relationships. All you have are scripture monkeys to support your religious delusions. They are just as unstable as you are.

So stop the panicking and learn to rest in the Lord. And stop judging from your own carnal vantage point.

I'm starting to think you are smoke screening to try diverting attention from a big problem you have....beyond drinking too much. You rail about everything but never speak of LGBTQ issues. Is there a problem there? People who can't stop railing against what they see as liberal ideas are often overcompensating because they have secret addictions or attractions.

Whatever your issue, it's a serious one. And you will never find rest until you surrender your life to God....not just believe things about Jesus.

You need prayers and help.
oh wait i forgot its extremism to tell one they must Believe on JESUS .
but its love to do like you and LIE to this atheist and make his unbelief seem JUST FINE
but all he needs to do is some righteous g ood works to a righteous man .
THAT is a FALSE GOSPEL you preach epi . And on JESUS day you gonna wail for doing so .
That is , UNLESS you repent of it .
ITs true i do need prayers and i would love for others to help me preach JESUS to the lost souls .
SO i have an idea epi
Flee this all inclusive false god
And then pray TO GOD to send more men out there into the harvest to actually PREACH the NEED TO BELEIVE ON JESUS .
 
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The fossil record shows a clear chronological progression of life on Earth, moving from simple, single-celled organisms in the oldest rock layers to increasingly complex and diverse multi-cellular life in newer layers.
I'm calling you out and saying, you're wrong.
All you are doing is presenting what you have been told with no proof.....pure speculation on your part.
 

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I'm calling you out and saying, you're wrong.
All you are doing is presenting what you have been told with no proof.....pure speculation on your part.
I've seen fossils with my own eyes. I know that they exist.
Scientists spend their lives studying these things and publish their findings so that other people can scrutinize their work.
 
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Hmmm, not so fast. When I read the Lewis account of his expedition, a study note explained the direction of the river has changed since Lewis’ account. It doesn’t mean his account is wrong. How much more so the Bible?

I’m sure you know that Moses wrote the 1st 5 books, including Genesis. Moses was well after the time of Noah. He wrote what was revealed to him in the context of what he knew and saw. There are many examples of this sort of synthesis in Scripture. I do find it revealing that you are attempting to use the authority of the Bible to show the Bible is in error. Good luck with that. I urge you to continue.
Biblical scholars and historians do not agree that Moses was a real historical person, with the majority viewing him as a legendary or composite figure.
Key Scholarly Views
• Lack of Evidence: No archaeological or extra-biblical records from ancient Egypt or the Sinai Peninsula mention Moses or the events of the Exodus.
• Late Writing: Textual analysis shows the first five books of the Bible were compiled and edited by multiple anonymous authors hundreds of years after Moses supposedly lived.
• Mythological Parallels: Moses's origin story in a reed basket closely mirrors older Mesopotamian legends, such as the birth story of King Sargon of Akkad.
• Possible Small Core: A minority of scholars suggest a tiny group of Semitic people or Levites may have actually left Egypt, carrying an early oral tradition that grew into the larger national legend of Moses.
 

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It is unknown.....the flood would have eliminated all the topographical features.

Now, there's been some guesses....like you speculated...but no location derived.
So a flood so powerful would have eliminated all food stuffs for the emerging animal life too?
What did the herbivores eat to stay alive and multiply?
Did Noah and his family repopulate the earth?
A little experiment for you.... Take some vegetation and keep it submerged in salt water for, let's say a month. Bon appetit.
 

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I'm calling you out and saying, you're wrong.
All you are doing is presenting what you have been told with no proof.....pure speculation on your part.
Ding ding, my irony meter is playing up again.
I think that your idea of proof and my idea of proof are worlds apart.
I can't accept that everything that we see today was created by a God who wants a relationship with us.
There is no clarity in any of the messaging received.
The more that we discover, the less plausible the Bible becomes.
We don't know for certain who the writers were.
We can trace back a lot of the stories to earlier legends or folk law.
And on top of all this we (from what I've seen) are pretty much in the dark about the afterlife, and what that afterlife actually entails.
 

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Hmmm, not so fast. When I read the Lewis account of his expedition, a study note explained the direction of the river has changed since Lewis’ account. It doesn’t mean his account is wrong. How much more so the Bible?

I’m sure you know that Moses wrote the 1st 5 books, including Genesis. Moses was well after the time of Noah. He wrote what was revealed to him in the context of what he knew and saw. There are many examples of this sort of synthesis in Scripture. I do find it revealing that you are attempting to use the authority of the Bible to show the Bible is in error. Good luck with that. I urge you to continue.

The Epic of Gilgamesh - The Epic of Gilgamesh is the world's oldest surviving epic poem, originating from ancient Mesopotamia over 4,000 years ago.

Overview of the Legend:
The King: Gilgamesh was the historical or legendary king of the Sumerian city-state of Uruk. He was described as two-thirds god and one-third human.


The Companion: The gods created a wild man named Enkidu to humble Gilgamesh's harsh rule. After an initial fight, the two became close friends.


The Quests: Together, they traveled to the Cedar Forest to defeat the monster Humbaba and later killed the divine Bull of Heaven.

The Search for Immortality: Following Enkidu's death, a grieving Gilgamesh undertook a perilous journey to find eternal life, ultimately learning that human mortality cannot be beaten, though his legacy lived on through his great city walls.

History and Discovery
Cuneiform Tablets: The story was recorded in wedge-shaped cuneiform script on clay tablets.


Rediscovery: The epic was lost for centuries until fragments were excavated in the 19th century at the library of Ashurbanipal in northern Iraq and deciphered.

The Epic of Gilgamesh flood myth is recorded on the famous Tablet XI of the ancient Mesopotamian epic, which was rediscovered in the 19th century and stunned the world due to its striking parallels to the biblical story of Noah's Ark.
The Story on Tablet XI
In the epic, Gilgamesh seeks out Utnapishtim, a mortal who was granted immortality by the gods, to learn the secret of eternal life. Utnapishtim explains how he survived the Great Flood:
The Divine Decree: The high god Enlil decided to destroy humanity with a catastrophic flood because mankind was too loud and chaotic.
The Secret Warning: Ea (the god of wisdom) secretly warned Utnapishtim by speaking to the reed wall of his house, instructing him to tear down his home and build a massive boat.
The Great Vessel: Utnapishtim built a giant, six-deck cubic vessel, sealing it with pitch and bitumen. He loaded it with his gold, his family, craftsmen, and "the seed of all living creatures."
The Tempest: A terrifying storm raged for six days and seven nights, wiping out all of humanity and turning the earth into flat mud.
The Birds: After the boat wedged onto Mount Nimush, Utnapishtim released a dove and a swallow, but both returned because they found no dry land. Finally, he sent out a raven, which did not return, proving the waters had receded.
Immortality Granted: Utnapishtim offered a sacrifice to the gods. Enlil, deeply remorseful for nearly destroying all life, blessed Utnapishtim and his wife, granting them eternal life in a distant paradise.
Direct Comparison: Gilgamesh vs. Genesis
The similarities suggest a shared Near Eastern literary tradition, with the Mesopotamian text predating
the written biblical account by centuries.
 

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oh wait i forgot its extremism to tell one they must Believe on JESUS .
but its love to do like you and LIE to this atheist and make his unbelief seem JUST FINE
but all he needs to do is some righteous g ood works to a righteous man .
THAT is a FALSE GOSPEL you preach epi . And on JESUS day you gonna wail for doing so .
That is , UNLESS you repent of it .
ITs true i do need prayers and i would love for others to help me preach JESUS to the lost souls .
SO i have an idea epi
Flee this all inclusive false god
And then pray TO GOD to send more men out there into the harvest to actually PREACH the NEED TO BELEIVE ON JESUS .
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Biblical scholars and historians do not agree that Moses was a real historical person
Not relevant to the claim you make that the Mediterranean Sea could not have existed when the Bible was written AND know that Pangaea could not have existed when the Bible was written.

The logic you're denying is just because the Mediterranean Sea at the time of Moses (whether he existed or not) doesn't mean it existed before the Flood of Noah's day.

Biblical scholars and historians do agree that the Bible includes events that happened before writing existed, when there was a strong oral tradition. And when we talk about when the 66 books of the Bible were written, we're talking a span of nearly 2 millennia of time.
 

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I've seen fossils with my own eyes. I know that they exist.

So have I.....do you have a point?
Scientists spend their lives studying these things and publish their findings so that other people can scrutinize their work.
Yup, and young earth scientist have scrutinized their work and pointed out their short comings. Then again you already knew that.
 

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So a flood so powerful would have eliminated all food stuffs for the emerging animal life too?
Plants grow and animals reproduce.
What did the herbivores eat to stay alive and multiply?
The bible says... 21 Also take with you every sort of food that is eaten, and store it up. It shall serve as food for you and for them.”
Did Noah and his family repopulate the earth?
Noahs son and daughter in laws did.
A little experiment for you.... Take some vegetation and keep it submerged in salt water for, let's say a month. Bon appetit.
The food they ate was on the ark.
 

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Plants grow and animals reproduce.

The bible says... 21 Also take with you every sort of food that is eaten, and store it up. It shall serve as food for you and for them.”

Noahs son and daughter in laws did.

The food they ate was on the ark.
verily verily i must with tears in my eyes say , this generation has no idea
what it has lost , nor how to even witness to the lost .
I already by grace easily have an answer to this . But what i bring so few would ever see it simplicity .
So what hurts the most is I WILL NOT give the answer to you or this ecumenincal generation of an all inclusive harlot .
But i leave you all with one reminder . FAITH . IT was always about FAITH . THAT IS THE ONLY THING
that pleases GOD .
I feel very sad right now . I really want to give you an answer , but if even i did you nor this inclusvie generation can see it .
He left you a question . ANSWER it according to mens wisdom , IF you can .
Go on put vegetation in salt and eat it after , Not one month , not even five months ,
the waters didint fully abate for a year .
YOU do not know how to answer this atheist . and when i even brought JESUS to this atheist
this all inclusive epi called me a religious extremist . And you did and you said nothing .
SO go on , answer him . HECK the atheist said a month . EVEN HE is wrong .
IT WAS A about a year THE EARTH was under water .
AND i bet even the athiest JUST THINKS i
gave him teh power to over come you all . NO SIR . THE ANSWER IS VERY SIMPLE . SO simple a child could have known it .
But go on . answer him according to the judge not generation that r uns men like me who preach JESUS off .
And tries so hard to d ebate them WITH CARNAL WISDOM that will never WIN THEM TO GOD , and will never
bring them TO CHRIST . IF you knew how hard and sad this was for me to even have to type to you ,
YOU MIGHT have asked the one question that was in dire need to be asked . But rather you all cling
to the wisdom of men to witness to the lost . AND that my friend will never win them to GOD and CHRIST .
THEY WIN that debate . For the carnal mind cannot recieve the things of GOD
and if we debate by that mind , we debate to lose . learn this well . and you can ask me questions if you like .
OR run me off like epi does and call me a religous extremist .
 

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Not relevant to the claim you make that the Mediterranean Sea could not have existed when the Bible was written AND know that Pangaea could not have existed when the Bible was written.

The logic you're denying is just because the Mediterranean Sea at the time of Moses (whether he existed or not) doesn't mean it existed before the Flood of Noah's day.

Biblical scholars and historians do agree that the Bible includes events that happened before writing existed, when there was a strong oral tradition. And when we talk about when the 66 books of the Bible were written, we're talking a span of nearly 2 millennia of time.
if i was this athiest i would be laughing at you all . every last one of you , as he probably does me too .
THOUGH not for the same reason .
YOU ALL have no idea on how to even debate this atheist . Go on wrangler
you and men like epi and todays all inclusvive judge not generation , GO ahead , keep running men like me
OFF who preach JESUS as though we are religious extremists .
Meanwhile YOU WILL NEVER WIN this atheist to GOD . in fact all of your wisdom .
ALL IT DOES IT EMPOWER AND ENBOLDEN HIM in his lie . YA DONT EVEN KNOW HOW to witness
Be sure and keep running men like me off seeing we a danger to society , your world peace
and a religious extremist to boot . YOU DONT even know how to answer that man .
Now its true that while i might know how to answer him and STILL he might nor m ight not believe .
BY GRACE i did it BY THE SPIRIT and not by carnal wisdom which only empowers and enboldnes him .
IF i were still the man i once was
AND YOU and this all inclusive ecumeincal judge not generation tried to witness to me .
I had thought I WAS SPOT ON RIGHT and never left the darkness . YOU DO NOT know how to witness
because YOU TRUST NOT IN GOD . ya never did . you bought todays evangelism of men and its wisdom was and is of men .
 
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Plants grow and animals reproduce.

The bible says... 21 Also take with you every sort of food that is eaten, and store it up. It shall serve as food for you and for them.”

Noahs son and daughter in laws did.

The food they ate was on the ark.
of course the food they ate was on the ark .
IF i were him and had the mind i once did
i know exactly what i had asked you all and you all would have had NO ANSWER
and i would have felt like i was KING of the debate .
BUT still i had remained in the darkness , just thinking i was king S and yet lost as ever .
You wanna what you and this inclusive ecuemincal generation needs to do .
STOP trusting in todays evangelising . IT DONT WORK . it was a set up .
GET IN THAT BIBLE and you learn it for yourself . You would see quickly that we have a serious problem my friend .
WE gave THEM the CARD when we LEFT the bible and went to debate through carnal wisdom
and Not rather by the SPIRIT and with the WORDS of GOD .
And yall wonder why evil took over .
 

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Plants grow and animals reproduce.

The bible says... 21 Also take with you every sort of food that is eaten, and store it up. It shall serve as food for you and for them.”

Noahs son and daughter in laws did.

The food they ate was on the ark.
My comments were about when they disembarked as you well know.
 
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Plants grow and animals reproduce.

The bible says... 21 Also take with you every sort of food that is eaten, and store it up. It shall serve as food for you and for them.”

Noahs son and daughter in laws did.

The food they ate was on the ark.
the key to the answer of it all is
FAITH . CHILD LIKE FAITH . but if one beleives not then one has NO FAITH .
IF you gonna continue to sit under mens wisdom on how to evangelize
and on what this world has sold christendom as b eing love .
NOT a one of you gonna make it .
FAITH . it aint a bout the wisdom of this world , it aint about them mighty wise scholars
and their greek and their hermes and their exgegis or their anything .
THEY MISLED these churches because THEIR WISDOM was carnal .
And they introduced the absolute worst way to evangelize .
FALSE LOVE coupled with the wisdom of this world . WHEN o when did the churches
stop T RUSTING IN GOD . And when did it turn to carnal men to lead it into the image of another god
WE got problems mr crowcross . And that is why i been warning THE CHURCH
to get off its rear and stop sitting under what IT T HINKS is of GOD
and rather TRY OPENING THE BIBLE for themselves . YA AINT NEVER gonna win this athiest .
IN fact YOU GIVE HIM the POWER and you and these others ONLY HAVE that man to THINK to himself
and say , WHAT A HOOT this people cannot even debate me . AND SADLY HE IS SPOT ON RIGHT about that .
THOUGH HE IS DEAD WRONG about where his faith IS . Ready to listen yet .
Now get in that bible now . And feel free to ask me any question you like . I really am here to help .
I aint the religious extremist this inclusive man calls me . I do have the simple answer and solution .
That dont mean everyone i witness to is automaitcally gonna believe . NOT AT ALL .
IT DOES mean , however , at least some might hear . WE GOTS TO HAVE FAITH .
And that FAITH MUST BE IN GOD and THUS IN HIS CHRIST and not some ot her god and other jesus .
 
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My comments were about when they disembarked as you well know.
I KNEW IT WAS . and you yourself dont even know how to debate that well .
YOU do realize that it was not a month the earth was under water . IT was about a year .
A year . now put that same food into salt water for a year .
YOu might be thinking , mAN this amigo is on your side . NOT EVEN .
The answer was FAITH , it always has been .
I could even answer you according to some of that science and somewhat prove to you
HOW it is possible for that family TO HAVE repopulated the earth and we have ALL these different races too .
I could even use your own science to prove it .
I was YOU . But with one difference . I WAS JUST AS LOST
but the scary thing was i thought i really did bleieve ON JESUS . but no sir
i was just like y ou . not an atheist but just as lost .
And just as into science as you ever were .
WHEN I told you ITS TIME to BELIEVE ON JESUS , and this lost inclusivian called me a relgious extremist
HECK HE MORE LOST than YOU . and i dont say that to be mean to either one of you .
cause again i was once lost too . You ready to listen yet . I sure hope so my friend .
Cause i dont want you on the same path to PERDITON that i myself was once on as well .
 
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