H. Richard
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Rom 4:4-6
4 When people work, their wages are not a gift, but something they have earned.
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You left out the word "IF". It does not say Abraham was justified by his works.
Rom 4:2-3
2 If his good deeds had made him acceptable to God, he would have had something to boast about. But that was not God's way.
3 For the Scriptures tell us, "Abraham believed God, and God counted him as righteous because of his faith."
ABRAHAM WAS COUNTED RIGHTEOUS BECAUSE OF HIS FAITH ONLY SINCE IT DOES NOT LIST ANYTHING ELSE
I see that Abraham's faith was shown in the fact that he left Ur as God asked him to (Genesis 15)
Rom 4:4-8
4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.
David Celebrates the Same Truth 5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,
6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:
7 "Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, And whose sins are covered;
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin."
NKJV
You just can't get over the facts that James got it wrong. But I have.
You said ;;; But from our perspective, man looking at the life of Abraham, we do not see Abraham's faith except in the fact that he offered Isaac.
So we can't take god's word in Gensis 15 we must see it for ourselves in Genesis 22. BULL! I don't give a flip about what man sees. Man can not save anyone, even himself.
Don't you think we have wiped this horse long enough? You will never make me see that James and Paul were teaching the same gospel.
There was A gospel to the Jews and now after God has set the Jews aside TEMPORARILY people are saved by their faith in what JESUS did on the cross only. FAITH PLUS NOTHING
4 When people work, their wages are not a gift, but something they have earned.
5 But pe
They are both right.
Romans 4:2 explains the justification that is spoken of by James. Abraham was justified by works, so he has whereof to glory, but not before God. In other words, his justification by works is not in the sight of God; in the sight of God his justification is by faith alone, apart from works (Romans 4:6).
But from our perspective, man looking at the life of Abraham, we do not see Abraham's faith except in the fact that he offered Isaac. It becomes clear that Abraham believed that God would raise Isaac from the dead if he sacrificed him, because Isaac was the child of promise by which God had promised to give him a seed, a multitude like the stars of heaven. This becomes absolutely clear that Abraham believed this in that Abraham took the knife to plunge it into the flesh of his dear son. The only reason why Isaac did not die that day is because God called to Abraham and stayed his hand. But Abraham's faith was shown to those of us who see faith by behaviour, in that Abraham offered up Isaac; this was the proof that Abraham believed that Isaac would live on even if Abraham killed him. It testifies to what was written in Genesis 15, that Abraham believed the LORD and it was counted to him for righteousness. What was the word that Abraham believed? That Abraham's seed would be as the stars of heaven.
From the Lord's perspective, we know that He saw Abraham's faith invisibly the moment he believed. From our perspective, we call Abraham righteous in that we see the evidence of his faith in that he offered up his only begotten son.
You left out the word "IF". It does not say Abraham was justified by his works.
Rom 4:2-3
2 If his good deeds had made him acceptable to God, he would have had something to boast about. But that was not God's way.
3 For the Scriptures tell us, "Abraham believed God, and God counted him as righteous because of his faith."
ABRAHAM WAS COUNTED RIGHTEOUS BECAUSE OF HIS FAITH ONLY SINCE IT DOES NOT LIST ANYTHING ELSE
I see that Abraham's faith was shown in the fact that he left Ur as God asked him to (Genesis 15)
Rom 4:4-8
4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.
David Celebrates the Same Truth 5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,
6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:
7 "Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, And whose sins are covered;
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin."
NKJV
You just can't get over the facts that James got it wrong. But I have.
You said ;;; But from our perspective, man looking at the life of Abraham, we do not see Abraham's faith except in the fact that he offered Isaac.
So we can't take god's word in Gensis 15 we must see it for ourselves in Genesis 22. BULL! I don't give a flip about what man sees. Man can not save anyone, even himself.
Don't you think we have wiped this horse long enough? You will never make me see that James and Paul were teaching the same gospel.
There was A gospel to the Jews and now after God has set the Jews aside TEMPORARILY people are saved by their faith in what JESUS did on the cross only. FAITH PLUS NOTHING