Religious Facade Christianity

[marks]

Believers today are encouraged to put on a fake smile...a fake religious facade..in order to appear loving and good.

If this is what they are telling you, I encourage finding different teachers.

That's just nonsense!

Myself, I don't hear this message. Naturally all that counts is faith working through love.

That's how you can tell whether someone has been with Jesus

On this I'd have to say we are with Him now, those who are born again, as He has promised us.

Much love!

 

[faithfulness]

If this is what they are telling you, I encourage finding different teachers.

That's just nonsense!

Myself, I don't hear this message. Naturally all that counts is faith working through love.



On this I'd have to say we are with Him now, those who are born again, as He has promised us.

Much love!

Just for clarity. What message is it that you don’t hear?

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Actually, its not nonsense.

Just as the fake believers and Pharisees and hypocrites washed the outside of their cup to seem holy to others when Jesus came and had put themselves in high places, running things, we see the same thing repeating today

 

[marks]

Than aren’t we back to my first statement of what God has given to be the arbiter of truth? To tell Christ from not Christ?

We seem to be going around in circles, for either;

“The Peace of Christ in our hearts” can be trusted or it can not be.

For this hearing/listening to the peace of Christ in our hearts, is our relationship(s) with Christ. It is there He has made His abode, as He has promised.

So to Him to we turn in full assurance of faith.

Blessings

Much love in Christ, Not me

Hi Not me,

We can look at Scripture for the beginning of this discipline. And being understanding of what God tells us is most certainly a discipline, is it not?

What does Romans 8 tell us about even knowing we are born again? Forget about everything else for the moment, just that most basic of questions. And most important. And what does God teach us?

His Spirit testifies with my spirit that I am a child of God. Can I trust Him? Of course I can.

Do we try the spirits? Of course we do. We can say by the comfort of God, we can say in the fear of God, we also say by the Word of God, and that is not something that changes like our feelings do.

In everything, that I've found, it always comes to Jesus telling me, "Trust Me."

Much love!
Mark

 

[marks]

Just for clarity. What message is it that you don’t hear?

The part I quoted from Episkopos:

Believers today are encouraged to put on a fake smile...a fake religious facade..in order to appear loving and good.

 

[marks]

Actually, its not nonsense.

Just as the fake believers and Pharisees and hypocrites washed the outside of their cup to seem holy to others when Jesus came and had put themselves in high places, running things, we see the same thing repeating today

I'm saying the message is nonsense, that is, to be "fake", don't pay attention, and if this is what your teachers are teaching, I'd find new ones.

Personally, they don't teach that in churches I attend, pastors I listen to, like that. We need to be both discerning and discriminating, and not just listen to anyone, whatever they say.

I'm curious . . . can you mention someone who tells people this? To act fake?

Much love!

 

[Not me]

Hi Not me,

We can look at Scripture for the beginning of this discipline. And being understanding of what God tells us is most certainly a discipline, is it not?

What does Romans 8 tell us about even knowing we are born again? Forget about everything else for the moment, just that most basic of questions. And most important. And what does God teach us?

His Spirit testifies with my spirit that I am a child of God. Can I trust Him? Of course I can.

Do we try the spirits? Of course we do. We can say by the comfort of God, we can say in the fear of God, we also say by the Word of God, and that is not something that changes like our feelings do.

In everything, that I've found, it always comes to Jesus telling me, "Trust Me."

Much love!
Mark

Absolutely yes, everything comes down to trusting Him and His love for us as He perfects that which concerns us.

Someone is running well, and the fruit of your relationship with Christ is on display. Truth and righteousness are the strength of your faith.

What you say is absolutely true. By being born again Christ has come to make His abode in us.

And we can most certainly trust Him with our life’s and all we have committed to Him.

For being made partakers of the Divine Nature is what salvation is. And the growth of that new nature in us is that that will keep us from being deceived by every wind of doctrine through the cunningness and craftiness of man.

Blessings, my fellow laborer in Christ. May He enlarge your tents and your joy and peace in Him would know no bounds.

Much love in Christ, Not me

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I'm curious . . . can you mention someone who tells people this? To act fake?

Not really...they are much too crafty and subtle to blatantly say it. But if you follow their trail of breadcrumbs, you can see the trap they lay.

 

[marks]

Not really...they are much too crafty and subtle to blatantly say it. But if you follow their trail of breadcrumbs, you can see the trap they lay.

OK.

Well, if they are leading into religious hypocrisy, you know what to do, avoid them.

Much love!

 

[Episkopos]

Not really...they are much too crafty and subtle to blatantly say it. But if you follow their trail of breadcrumbs, you can see the trap they lay.

The methodology is through indoctrination and appropriating things for themselves that are written in the bible but in a shallow "done deal" kind of salesmanship...but of course only those things that are desirable. Anything written in the form of a warning and/ or a discipline...these things can be ignored as regarding other people. And all the churches seem to be doing this. So then no one seems to guilty of being human anymore. Everyone is saying...not me. We only receive the pleasant words from God.

So then that's on the person who believes that. People are free to believe anything they want to. But then these people want to share their beliefs with others. And that is where the truth needs to be shown...that destroys the false doctrines. Silence to these false claims would seem to mean approval. So then the truth must be spoken out by people who actually know it.

I have been to church services where the preacher will say things like..."turn to your neighbour and say...you ARE seated in heavenly places." There are many variations of this kind of conditioning. And people are like sheep in obedience to these ploys. So the lies compliment themselves into a bigger and bigger lie.

Most people would never read the bible and assume themselves into the text. That needs a push from a spirit or an indoctrinator. There is a natural humility in the bible reader that the devil needs to overcome by putting an emphasis on religious assumptions and claims that remove the natural inclination to seek the Lord for answers. It's like the devil wants to stop people from seeking the Lord by short-circuiting the relaying of truth...by saying things like... "you ALREADY have everything you need...you don't need to seek the Lord. Seeking God would actually be a LACK of faith in God that His work on the cross is not yet finished". (And other such fallacies)

But to believe that line you would have to think that God doesn't want us to seek Him. That He doesn't want a personal contact with us. Which is far from the truth of course. In fact, God has made the "way" in Christ so that we are really forced to seek Him. We are called to enter into Him...and one can only do this through a full surrender and consecration to God, calling on His name.

 

[marks]

"you ALREADY have everything you need...you don't need to seek the Lord. Seeking God would actually be a LACK of faith in God that His work on the cross is not yet finished".

There's another bit of foolishness, where do you hear that?

Much love!

 

[bbyrd009]

So then there is another spiritual force at work in the church...that would take advantage of the weakness of men and their inclination to vain glory and self-delusion.

So there is a counterfeit offer of eternal life...but from the wrong spirit. A salvation based on vainglory...and empty religious notions...that have no power, no life in them. The slogan goes like this..."Good people go to hell...but saved people go to heaven."

So the truth is defaced to make way for a salvation scheme based on lies. A counterfeit promise of life that sounds quite a bit like the truth...utilizing similar wordings...but without the fear of the Lord, humility. righteousness and truth.

word

 

[bbyrd009]

So your saying the correct interpretation of the scripture;

“Let the Peace of Christ rule in your heart”

Should actually be understood as;

“do not let the peace of Christ rule in your heart”?

Scripture also says;

Let one or two speak and the rest judge.

Blessings,

Much love in Christ, Not me

hes putting it way better and nicer than i would, Nm. Its not that one wont also have peace, but that growth for us is usually not ever pleasant. We have replaced that with "learning," which is.

 

[bbyrd009]

There's another bit of foolishness, where do you hear that?

Much love!

dont know what the last bit of "foolishness" was, but i have to witness for Epi here too, and you dont know it but ive called Epi every name in the book already lol. I know it seems really "good" to keep seeking after God, but it is an empty exercise after a very definite point imo. It will be evident in a lack of growth, even real spiritual growth, even though we might get more spiritual sounding in the process. Imo this is why the pimps and the hoes beat us into the kingdom.

Teach the gospel
ha, dialectics: "teach the gospel" turns into "don't teach the gospel"

 

[marks]

dont know what the last bit of "foolishness" was, but i have to witness for Epi here too, and you dont know it but ive called Epi every name in the book already lol. I know it seems really "good" to keep seeking after God, but it is an empty exercise after a very definite point imo. It will be evident in a lack of growth, even real spiritual growth, even though we might get more spiritual sounding in the process. Imo this is why the pimps and the hoes beat us into the kingdom.

Teach the gospel
ha, dialectics: "teach the gospel" turns into "don't teach the gospel"

The foolishness to which I was referring is to tell people that seeking God shows a lack of faith.

 

[Episkopos]

The foolishness to which I was referring is to tell people that seeking God shows a lack of faith.

Then why don't you seek to abide in Christ? You in particular react very strongly against that suggestion claiming that you already are. So then you are trying to avoid that seeking. You think it foolish to seek God for something that you don't need to seek about.

So why doubt what you were taught?

 

[Windmillcharge]

Jesus said, 'By there fruits you will know them.'

Do you and those in the church you attend seek to live what the bible teaches?
What does the bible teach?
Jesus said obey my commands, to love the Lord your God with ALL your being and your Neighbour as your self.'

Paul used to challenging illistrations of the Christian life.

That of the fully trained and equiped soldier and that of the competitor in the olympic games.
Both are pictures of discipline, of training, of preparedness, ready for war or competition.

Start asking questions of the minister. How relevent to today was that sermon, how does it help me deal with...... problem?

How above suispicion is the churches own activities, ask the minister? Ask how would an accusation against the ministers son be dealt with? That is a certain test for honesty.

 

[marks]

Then why don't you seek to abide in Christ? You in particular react very strongly against that suggestion claiming that you already are. So then you are trying to avoid that seeking. You think it foolish to seek God for something that you don't need to seek about.

So why doubt what you were taught?

How is this responsive to what I wrote?

You wrote of the idea that seeking God shows a lack of faith, and I call that foolishness.

You would make it appear that I hold 'abiding in Christ' as somehow unimportant, or foolish, or some such slanderous thing.

 

[Episkopos]

dont know what the last bit of "foolishness" was, but i have to witness for Epi here too, and you dont know it but ive called Epi every name in the book already lol. I know it seems really "good" to keep seeking after God, but it is an empty exercise after a very definite point imo. It will be evident in a lack of growth, even real spiritual growth, even though we might get more spiritual sounding in the process. Imo this is why the pimps and the hoes beat us into the kingdom.

Teach the gospel
ha, dialectics: "teach the gospel" turns into "don't teach the gospel"

Is it a coincidence that Jesus only got angry when He went to "church"?

 

[marks]

Is it a coincidence that Jesus only got angry when He went to "church"?

Not that Jesus went to "church" as we do, since what He went to was the Temple, and to the synogogues.

Just the same do you counsel against going to church?

Much love!